What About Monsters? - Rick Renner

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  • Join Rick as he discusses the biblical origin of monsters that virtually every civilization’s legends mirror in today’s exciting program! To order the series and book offer click SHOW MORE.
    Rick Renner has unlocked the mystery surrounding the “sons of God” and the “giants” that appeared in the earth before the Flood during the days of Noah. Rick says, “This is THE series I’ve wanted to teach for decades. With the research we conducted at the real Noah’s Ark, along with amazing historical records, I believe this long-awaited series will answer a multitude of questions for people who have wondered about the strange events that occurred before the Flood and what Jesus said about them being repeated at the end of the age.” renner.org/pro...
    Giants, Fallen Angels, and the Return of the Nephilim by Dennis Lindsey will discuss biblical prophecies of giants on the earth, the Last Days demonic plot of engineering genetic hybrids, and what all of it has to do with Israel and the Middle East.
    renner.org/pro...

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  • @speakersforthedead4455
    @speakersforthedead4455 10 місяців тому +6

    The book of Enoch also says that the souls of the giants had no where to go(could not go to heaven or hell), so the souls of dead giants possessed men and that is where demons come from.

  • @dalesmethers237
    @dalesmethers237 10 місяців тому +23

    Hello fellow Okie. When I first started seeing Ancient Aliens I knew it was the fallen Angels. Thank you for reaching out to other people on this subject so they know the truth.

    • @ttothed2308
      @ttothed2308 10 місяців тому +1

      Hey, fellow Okies!! Yes, indeed! Same here. Same Holy Ghost giving wisdom and discernment, Amen!?! 🎯

    • @pcekka6481
      @pcekka6481 10 місяців тому

      J

  • @annamiller6153
    @annamiller6153 10 місяців тому +8

    So good! I can’t wait for the next program !

  • @lorenvburrell
    @lorenvburrell 10 місяців тому +6

    I so appreciate this serious. Absolutely wonderful! Also, my wife and I are thankful to be your partners AND we are so pleased to have a part in that BEAUTIFUL new studio! Thank You, LORD!

  • @sheila8548
    @sheila8548 10 місяців тому +7

    I think you are doing a wonderful job Pastor Renner. Thank you for taking the time to tell us everything you are talking about. We so appreciate you.

  • @iknowheis
    @iknowheis 10 місяців тому +6

    Do you think the defiling of the animals could have started the production of Sasquatch beings?

    • @logannelson1807
      @logannelson1807 Місяць тому

      Unfortunately, yes
      Bigfoot/Sasquatch species/creatures are Nephilim hybrid creatures born from female primates (chimpanzees, gorillas, bonbo apes, orangutans, etc), female monkeys and fallen angels.
      Some bigfoot Sasquatch species have human DNA due to being conceived through rape. There are legends, histories and testimonies of women kidnapped and defiled by hairy men, ape men, gorilla men years before the word bigfoot is used And they gave birth to sasquatch human hybrids (some look like human but have great height when growing up.
      I might be wrong but I heard rumors on internet that cryptids(Animal Nephilim hybrids & Chimera hybrids) are responsible for missing 411.
      The strange phenomenon occurs when people (hikers, park rangers, tourists, locals, hunters, boy scouts, girl scouts, teens & some children, etc) mysteriously disappeared in swampy areas, mountainous areas, national parks and wilderness around/near human settlements (suburban areas, rural areas, farms). The disappearances coincide with the sightings & encounters of monsters (cryptids, aliens), shadow beings, evil spirits and UFO sightings.
      There are native American legends about the monsters, evil spirits and pagan gods in these areas and are connected to witch trials. According to legends, witches claim to have been in communication with devils in wilderness
      Don't take my word for it, pray for discernment and research

  • @emaracin2011
    @emaracin2011 10 місяців тому +11

    I loved this week's teachings. I knew all along Ancient Aliens were fallen angels. I have read Enoch and researched this topic for years. Rick did a wonderful job presenting the topic, and I know the DVD set would be even more amazing! ❤

  • @wildaberrios2610
    @wildaberrios2610 10 місяців тому +4

    After watching your series on this I was talking with a friend about it(I had come across this information 8 years ago and I could not accept it back then; perhaps I wasn’t ready or it wasn’t presented as well as you have done) my friend told me of another man named Timothy Alberino who also has a series on it and a book called Birthright. I watched his and he is saying the same as you,and really goes in deep. You really should get together with him, the two of you together would
    Be awesome. I now understand it and it makes sense to me and answers questions I often wondered about.
    I think as we are getting closer to Jesus’s return, he is revealing his hidden mysteries and opening our eyes of
    Understanding.

  • @christinemcbrier8904
    @christinemcbrier8904 10 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for finally putting out the truth. 10 years ago must've been too early because now is the time. Jesus really will be here extremely soon!!
    I love it. Thank you Professor Renner!

  • @cathyschoening8148
    @cathyschoening8148 10 місяців тому +7

    That was awesome. I never knew about the part where the fallen angels abused the animals. That answers a lot of questions. Very, very interesting! Thank you, Rick.

  • @chibwemushili8921
    @chibwemushili8921 10 місяців тому +8

    Sir may God bless you, the family and ministry for the amazing things that you and the partners of the ministry are doing.

  • @asitisinheaven1968
    @asitisinheaven1968 10 місяців тому +1

    I remember taking a class in mythology.
    I just loved it. Now I know why ! Love you

    • @aprilnelson3970
      @aprilnelson3970 Місяць тому

      As a child I read a lot of Greek mythology books. I had no idea about any of this then. After listening to Brother Rick teach on this I felt compelled to repent and renounce my fascination with it.

  • @gloriacabrera8805
    @gloriacabrera8805 10 місяців тому +1

    I love to hear such a respectable man speak on this. I remember reading in 2 Samuel 23:20 David’s men killing lion like men. Makes sense now.

  • @ruthsemotiuk532
    @ruthsemotiuk532 Місяць тому +1

    Excellent teaching. Thank you 🙏🏻 amen

  • @genalamere4262
    @genalamere4262 10 місяців тому +3

    Thank you so much for this subject before I ever read the Bible before the Lord opened my eyes to this teaching back in the '70s not a lot of it was taught then. I had an understanding of this and yet I was told it was ridiculous thought. He's been a lot of teaching and I too have read the book of Enoch God is so good for revealing things nobody wants to deal with. God bless you

  • @saikrishnagalapu206
    @saikrishnagalapu206 10 місяців тому +1

    Rick sir, it's so wonderful to know this. So thankful to you sir.

  • @karenyounce1192
    @karenyounce1192 10 місяців тому +3

    Love this series. Thank you. God bless

  • @rosselineparker3439
    @rosselineparker3439 10 місяців тому +2

    Great Teaching Thank you Mr.Renner

  • @janinewiens7587
    @janinewiens7587 10 місяців тому +1

    Amazing teaching!! Thank you

  • @lemondambres1284
    @lemondambres1284 10 місяців тому +2

    Wow! Absolutely amazing and makes sense. Praise God for revelation and understanding!

  • @pjfountaine7755
    @pjfountaine7755 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you brother Rick. Also, even the Irish have this lore, they call them the Sidhe, (Shee) aka the Fae, aka Faery folk, of Irish lore, who were half angel half man, and had super powers. They were not little tinkerbell cutesy winged things now popular. They were warriors, and shapeshifters

  • @27Zangle
    @27Zangle 8 місяців тому

    This helps confirm everything I started piecing together on my own during bible college years ago. Surely, I am not the first but the fact it was revealed is important and that other theologians are in the same boat also means a lot to me. I was starting to think I was crazy for a bit, because many believers would not listen or just brush it off.

  • @terryburtis2412
    @terryburtis2412 10 місяців тому

    Thanks again Rick, I know now the Holy Spirit taught me what I know about this subject, and you have confirmed.

  • @abhinavbeliever
    @abhinavbeliever 10 місяців тому +1

    Amazing revelation

  • @Jspeaks777
    @Jspeaks777 10 місяців тому +2

    This is great! Question how did giants come in David's day, Goliath and his family?

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому +2

      There are several theories on this question. First, a second incursion of watchers did the same thing as the first 200 watchers in the days of Jared.(this theory would imply that Gods punishment to the original watchers wasn’t severe enough to prevent the same thing from happening again). Second theory is that one of Noah’s daughter-in-laws had traces in recessive nephilim dna in them that would later present itself through procreation(this theory would imply that God did an incomplete and incompetent job of riding the world of the nephilim. This is hard to swallow as it assumes God either overlooked or missed or even allowed this to happen). Third, after the flood when Noah’s sons started to repopulate the earth Ham found some tables that were buried in the flood. These tables contained the science, if you will, of genetic manipulation to create nephilim hybrids. With the flood killing all the nephilim there was bound to be dead nephilim bodies rotting around after the flood waters receded. This would supply genetic material for genetic manipulation post flood. This would be how Nimrod BECAME a nephilim later in his life, as he wasn’t born one. Genesis 10:8).

    • @mfenderson2714
      @mfenderson2714 10 місяців тому +1

      As Jesse mentioned below there are several theories. To add to one he mentioned about some or one of Noah's daughter-in-laws having Nephilim DNA, I have heard this one too but it was explained that since she/these women feared the Lord and lived holy lives according to their understanding back then and were included in the ark (God did not instruct Noah's son(s) to divorce them/her etc. and no records of them/her being against God), her faith and behavior was imputed as righteousness and it kept the curses in the blood line from affecting that immediate generation. But once they started to repopulate, Ham sinned and Noah cursed Ham's son, Ham's descendents had to intermarry with all the other son's descendents in order to repopulate. So because of sin, no necessarily Ham's sin, but sin in general, those who had the Nephilim DNA and decided to also pursue sin reactivated the curse in the bloodline. A variation that would tie into what Jesse said about finding the science and the people already looking for another god that was not Yahweh. In many pagan religions, they have their own prophets and many times when someone is desperate, the prophets gives some strange instruction/ritual to do to change their situation and the people blindly follow it. So if the science was there, we know those prophets under demonic influence could have also instructed them to partake in the science that re-introduced Nephilim traits back into the bloodline (not in a major way but in the way where some like the Philistines were known to produce unusually children in stature and ability). We know that Goliath and his brothers were pagan worshippers and I would presume that their people followed these sin-filled religious practices for many generations prior.

    • @billcampbell4547
      @billcampbell4547 10 місяців тому +1

      Notice "and also after that"
      Genesis 6:4
      King James Version
      4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

  • @brendajones7018
    @brendajones7018 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for your teaching.

    • @RennerMinistries
      @RennerMinistries  10 місяців тому

      You are very welcome! Bless you! -Team Renner

  • @swtnzfoods8420
    @swtnzfoods8420 10 місяців тому +1

    Amen and Amen!!!❤

  • @adamlee3056
    @adamlee3056 10 місяців тому

    Great series.

  • @robchambers2791
    @robchambers2791 10 місяців тому +1

    I can say a lot of things about what I've already learned through this series, but here's a few: Horror movies in general, but specific movies over the years about monsters eating human flesh, are actually demon inspired about similar events that actually happened. Marvel Movies with all the different characters which bring "Greek gods" to life on the screen are also demonically inspired by events that actually happened. I stopped watching those movies when I heard Rick allude to the fallen angels and origin of Greek "mythology" in past teachings. Science Fiction always includes creatures that look like monsters/demons but have some sort of human features. Notice that all science fiction, alien theories, deny the existence of God Almighty. Finally, "evolution," which is obviously anti-God, was demonically inspired and used to try to explain away the half-breeds and mutations that occurred from these fallen angels partaking of strange flesh. Would love your feedback on this, Renner Ministries.

  • @monicaswavel6074
    @monicaswavel6074 10 місяців тому

    Great message!

  • @yinchingleung7766
    @yinchingleung7766 10 місяців тому

    thank you. helpful and interesting.

  • @Jspeaks777
    @Jspeaks777 10 місяців тому +1

    Interesting. Thanks

  • @hemantabesra4151
    @hemantabesra4151 10 місяців тому +1

    JOY JISU MARANG 🙏❤️🙏

  • @francescaposney7549
    @francescaposney7549 10 місяців тому +4

    Rick, was there a civilisation before Genesis 1?

  • @birdygirl6228
    @birdygirl6228 10 місяців тому

    I absolutely 💯 ♥️ your office..It looks like a place ( Indiana Jones ) would come for info an treasures...😅

  • @simchascribe9412
    @simchascribe9412 10 місяців тому +1

    Pastor Renner, this makes me wonder about those strange creatures in the book of Revelation. I have always heard they symbolize countries and world leaders. Do they?

    • @ttothed2308
      @ttothed2308 10 місяців тому +2

      Sounds like Pastor Renner has even MORE teaching to deliver to the body of Christ. Hopefully, we are asking of the Lord already and He is revealing truth to us according to His Holy Word. Amen. Then when I hear a message from one or two of His (5-fold ministry) gifts, it is a confirming word. This series has definitely done that for me. I mentioned in another episode comment that apart from Billy Crone and Prophecy Watchers (in recent years), I had never heard any other WoF teacher touch on this subject accept for Charles Capps. I still have an old cassette series by brother Capps called, “The World that Was”. My husband & I listened to that over and over. We are in the days “as in the days of Noah”, I believe.

    • @user-sm3mg6hg8s
      @user-sm3mg6hg8s 10 місяців тому

      @@ttothed2308Kevin Zadai teaches extensively on this subject.

  • @user-nf5sv5zi3u
    @user-nf5sv5zi3u 10 місяців тому

    Amen !

  • @Gloirendongala
    @Gloirendongala 10 місяців тому

    Yes!!!

  • @tlctilljcb
    @tlctilljcb 10 місяців тому

    Interesting.

  • @theronstephens9970
    @theronstephens9970 9 місяців тому

    Hi pastor Rick...could Gilgamesh be one of these offspring

  • @karynstoneking1584
    @karynstoneking1584 10 місяців тому +1

    Which book of Enoch is the real one? There are at least 3 different versions ive found.

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому

      Just the 1st book of Enoch, Ken Johnson does a great job as explaining why, I would check out his channel as he details sources.

    • @karynstoneking1584
      @karynstoneking1584 10 місяців тому +1

      @Jesse_was_here OK thank you for answering my question. I will check that out.

  • @nsnake62
    @nsnake62 10 місяців тому

    Do you believe that the fallen angels are still around as principalities and that the disembodied spirits of the giants are actually demons.

  • @BB-rd7ic
    @BB-rd7ic 10 місяців тому +1

    In the days of Noah so this is how it’s going to be again?

    • @jeffc5474
      @jeffc5474 10 місяців тому

      Sin and violence were rampant in the days of Noah, and now sin and violence is ramping up even more.

    • @me-yc9gr
      @me-yc9gr 10 місяців тому +1

      Already is

  • @hiro91
    @hiro91 10 місяців тому +1

    I don't think the term defiling animals has to be sexual encounters between angels and animals, it may refer to genetic engineering.

    • @user-sm3mg6hg8s
      @user-sm3mg6hg8s 10 місяців тому

      The facts are that the fallen angels do not have sexual parts, ie Kevin Zadai. They cannot procreate. They influenced the compromised genetics of the sons of God to have sexual relations with the daughters of men. They went into them. It is the most confused and misunderstood of all scriptures. The fallen angels were corrupted by satan and are chained never to be redeemed. But this teaching is really good because he does go into the fact that the creatures produced were because of dna corruption. Fathers sleeping with daughters, men sleeping with men, it was sexual sin and this kind of sin corrupts the DNA which produces mutations.

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому +1

      Genetic engineering would answer the question of how Nimrod became a nephilim later in his life per Gen 10:8

  • @spiritnoimage
    @spiritnoimage 10 місяців тому +12

    Enoch is scripture, the jesuits and catholics do not get to decide what is scripture. Jasher is scripture as well!

    • @jeffc5474
      @jeffc5474 10 місяців тому +2

      If Enoch is scripture, why don’t the Jewish folks keep a scroll of that book in their synagogues?

    • @spiritnoimage
      @spiritnoimage 10 місяців тому

      @@jeffc5474 what jews? The synagogue of satan spoken of in Revelation? The counterfeit jews that display the star of rephaim? The ones the Mashiach referred to as " children of the devil" who falsely claimed to be Abraham's children? If they were Abraham's children they would have recognized Yehoshua Ha Mashiach.

    • @sanitman1488
      @sanitman1488 10 місяців тому

      @@jeffc5474they do ! Ethiopian Hebrews !

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому +3

      @@jeffc5474because it points to Jesus being the messiah.

    • @jeffc5474
      @jeffc5474 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Jesse_was_here No it doesn’t. Those who have read it say that it is full of pre flood information, but not much else.

  • @dmulford1
    @dmulford1 10 місяців тому +3

    We’re all giants male? Could they reproduce among themselves?

    • @jaybird919
      @jaybird919 10 місяців тому +1

      It's a good question, I've wondered about that too.

    • @janinewiens7587
      @janinewiens7587 10 місяців тому +2

      I asked the same question yesterday

    • @suzannedepadro9265
      @suzannedepadro9265 10 місяців тому +2

      In his teaching he said they were all men

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому

      LA Marzulli has been to dig sites where they have found fully intact nephilim, both male and female, some of the female even were pregnant with a baby nephilim. I encourage you to check it out, very interesting.

  • @user-dx4tt2bx9k
    @user-dx4tt2bx9k 10 місяців тому

    How was this genetically possible?

  • @mikeinocencio9516
    @mikeinocencio9516 9 місяців тому

    What about the lion men of moab in the bible.

  • @user-zb5de5ef7y
    @user-zb5de5ef7y 10 місяців тому

    Ok brother now they were destroyed by the flood. How are they reappearing from time to time? Please explain

  • @noblespirit09
    @noblespirit09 10 місяців тому

    Could the dinosaurs be part of that offspring?

  • @Bibeltemplet
    @Bibeltemplet 3 місяці тому

    The ancient Jews and the first Christians considered the Book of Enoch as holy prophetic authoritative Scripture. So while it is not part of the Bible, it is possible to view it as they did - as Holy Scripture, the Holy Scriptures from before The Flood . The Bible is the scriptures of the Old and New Covenants, while the Book of Enoch is from the pre-flood covenant with God. And that includes all parts of the book, which are all prophetic and was authoritative to ancient Jews and Early Christians, and as you rightly said - that included Jesus himself, his half-brother, and the Apostles.
    To receive the full blessing and revelation of the Book of Enoch, one has to believe every Word of it, just as with the other Holy Scriptures. God bless you for teaching from this blessed ancient book, in which Enoch himself told that it was especially meant for the last generations of the Ages, of which we are living in one of them.
    Greetings and blessings,
    Leif Strom

  • @pjfountaine7755
    @pjfountaine7755 6 місяців тому

    how about sasquatch and dogman

    • @pjfountaine7755
      @pjfountaine7755 6 місяців тому

      Don’t laugh. Not all those who say they saw something strange are running around the woods at night with infrared and trying to call in a sasquatch for entertainment making the real researchers look like idiots. There are some really strange and dangerous things in the woods.

  • @parimalasamuel5945
    @parimalasamuel5945 10 місяців тому

    Is dianossers such monster produced by fallen angels?

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому

      I personally think the carnivorous ones and disproportionate ones like the t-rex with those little arms and big body. But that’s just a theory, I have no scripture to back that up. Interesting to think about though!

  • @user-vi8gx3bz1z
    @user-vi8gx3bz1z 10 місяців тому

    Jusus is Lord 🙏

  • @user-lh9pj5px3i
    @user-lh9pj5px3i 9 місяців тому

    WHY would the angels even want to rebel?

  • @blueeyedsoulman
    @blueeyedsoulman 10 місяців тому +1

    You mean half fallen angel (not half man) A fallen angel with an animal would produce a half angel half animal cymera. Just sayin'.

  • @mikeinocencio9516
    @mikeinocencio9516 10 місяців тому +1

    I had always believed everything including man was much much bigger and taller befor the flood. If so, and Noah was say 18 ft tall. How much would a cubit be then??

  • @nushratjabeen3577
    @nushratjabeen3577 10 місяців тому

    Pegasus and mermaid

  • @VeronicaJones58
    @VeronicaJones58 10 місяців тому

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @user-gt3km8jk3z
    @user-gt3km8jk3z 10 місяців тому

    Does that mean Bigfoot, dogman n all criptids r giant animal hybrids?😮

  • @-GloryDays
    @-GloryDays 8 місяців тому +1

    I believe the books of Enoch, Jubilees and Macabeea are just aa Biblical as “The Bible“

  • @jelvez0079
    @jelvez0079 10 місяців тому +2

    Mr. Renner your pronunciation of Enoch is wrong, it sounds more like your saying Eunuch. I purty sure you do know the story of these guys, like in the book of Esther, please don't confuse the babe's in Christ who are learning scripture, and when you pronounce a certain word in the Bible to give it's meaning, don't be afraid to ask your peers for help on this, other than that your doing great on this teaching! E-knock= Enoch, Eunuch= Enicks

    • @jelvez0079
      @jelvez0079 10 місяців тому

      @@davidtroyer2554 Figures! A troll will always be a troll, whether there saved ,sanctify, or filled with something else other than the Holy Ghost!

  • @donnabuckalew-wagner6431
    @donnabuckalew-wagner6431 10 місяців тому

    ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤‼

  • @marybourn1069
    @marybourn1069 10 місяців тому

    Wow

  • @Georgelyda
    @Georgelyda 10 місяців тому +1

    Come on brother, please, E-KNOCK, not E-NICK.

  • @user-nf5sv5zi3u
    @user-nf5sv5zi3u 10 місяців тому

    Philippians 2:6 Who,* though he was in the form of God,d
    did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.*
    7Rather, he emptied himself,
    taking the form of a slave,
    coming in human likeness;*
    and found human in appearance,e
    8he humbled himself,f
    becoming obedient to death,
    even death on a cross.*
    9Because of this, God greatly exalted him
    and bestowed on him the name*
    that is above every name,g
    10that at the name of Jesus
    every knee should bend,*
    of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth,h
    11and every tongue confess that
    Jesus Christ is Lord,*
    to the glory of God the Father.i

  • @saxmanjpr5092
    @saxmanjpr5092 10 місяців тому

    A question I have always had regarding the Nephilim, as I critically think about anything I read or listen to is this: All the angles are MALE. None of them are female and God created the male angles with the ability to have a sex drive. That being said, it is no wonder to me that they defiled human women (and I think that that actually raped them. The sex, I think was not done willingly by the women) and defiled the animals. The MALE angels or demons had no where to turn to satisfy their sex drive since there were no FEMALE angles. SO! Why did God create the angels the way he did? It seems to me that God made a mistake and this was bound to happen. Can someone, without getting mad and legalistic on me, explain something that, surly I am missing and misunderstanding about this issue?

    • @aprilnelson3970
      @aprilnelson3970 Місяць тому

      God didn't make a mistake. His creation (including the angels) is perfect. Lucifer rebelled against God and became Satan as a result. Adam rebelled against God and sin entered the world as a result. It affected the entire creation. These angels were clearly rebelling against their Creator and the holy purpose for which He created them.

  • @robertdean1579
    @robertdean1579 10 місяців тому

    I totally disagree that the pyramids and other ancient structures were built pre-flood. The flood completely resurfaced the land features of the earth. Check out this excellent documentary on this, "Is Genesis History?".

    • @Jesse_was_here
      @Jesse_was_here 10 місяців тому

      The pyramids shows vast evidence of massive water erosion and evidence of being submerged.

  • @albertodove4125
    @albertodove4125 10 місяців тому

    Was hearing Noah's wife was probably 9ft tall... I wonder how she got around in the ark

    • @resty3681
      @resty3681 10 місяців тому +1

      😮😮😮🙄🙄🙊🙆🤔👀

  • @onefeather2
    @onefeather2 2 місяці тому

    To much advertising, I guess money comes first, why not wait until the end of the video and then ask, God is more important or should be.

    • @LydK443
      @LydK443 Місяць тому +1

      Quit complaining. Rick does an excellent job.

  • @tlctilljcb
    @tlctilljcb 10 місяців тому

    Interesting.