Thanks for taking the time to compare these. I learned a few things about my new 77502, like using the lift on the fly, your appreciation of the suspension system, and using the leaf blower to clean off the debris. I live in an 1840 farm house and my "lawn" is whatever spectrum of things growing in a frequently cut environment.
Good comparison, one thing I might have asked was what is your gallons per hour use over the same lawn? Cutting grass is probably my favorite thing to do in retirement! That is impressive that you started off with a pasture and turned it into that! What was you process other than mowing?
Gallons per hour - that's a great question. I'll do an experiment in the future. Where I built my house was an abandoned pasture field. I started out just brush hogging it to knock it down. Then I used my old Cub Cadet 149 tractor with deck to start "mowing" it. It was VERY hard on that machine. I dulled blades constantly. I was hitting small stubble stumps, rocks, uneven ruts, etc. Eventually I started mowing it with my Ford 2N and a 5' finish mower on the 3 point. The ag tires on the tractor actually helped smooth out the lawn - almost like aerating. And the weight of the tractor helped too - almost like rolling the lawn over time. I rolled the lawn one time in 23 years. We used to have horses, and I did spread manure over the lawn a few times. I've also done some over-seeding with Penn State lawn grass seed mix. And in a few spots, I've done some light leveling with a mix of sand and top soil. But basically - it's just the result of 23 years of keeping at it, mowing - and adding milorganite, Sunday lawn, and a few years of TrueGreen here and there.
A very good video. We need more videos like this. Can you not raise the seat to look at the amount of gas in the tank? What is the model of your older Toro mower?
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Unfortunately - the new TIMECUTTER with MYRIDE system does not allow for the seat to be tipped forward, so seeing how much gasoline in the tank is nearly impossible. We've got lots of videos about our original TimeCutter model 75760. Here's a playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLJy7cj0ut2cDq4uZpL-u9178iRsUy2_YJ.html
Too bad you can't combine them and have the best of both. 😊 They're both really nice mowers! When you install the hour meter on the new Timecutter, that would make an interesting video. 👍🔧Thanks for sharing, Chad!
Greetings again, I didn't see the link UA-cam video to how install the hour meter. Would you provide me the link, and thank you so much for assisting me
Good video. My old mid 90's toro Zmaster 222 machine has no suspension for the seat or frame. Just the slight cushion from the tires getting soft from air leaks while I mow. LOL
I used to lower the air pressure in my riding mower tires to help with the bumps. :) The suspension on this new machine is very impressive. Better than I had predicted.
Greetings, I bought a new Toro time cutter mac 50in after using for 40 minutes. The engine is leaking battery side an aluminum cover on the engine is dripping oil!!??. Please, advise what to do ( this is my 1st ZT) thank you so much for assisting me (I bought from Lowe's)
I'm not a mechanic - but I think it sounds like the seal along the overhead valve is leaking. I would contact Lowes and see what their policy is - whether they take the machine back with less than an hour and repair it/replace it, or if you have to take it to an authorized Toro service center to be fixed under warranty. Either way - I'm sorry to hear that you're having this issue. Our two Toro machines have been perfect and without any issues.
@@PurpleCollarLife well Lowe's says bring back we will refund you. I feel bad about it I was getting used to the machine, It is so much better than my old push mower. I was following your UA-cam videos, I installed the hour meter, I was planning to do the 1st oil change, I also purchased the x keys. I'm a senior citizen, do you think if I purchase another Toro from Lowe's I will have the same problem or Toro is not a reliable brand? (The engine was Briggs Stratton) Should I look for another one with the Kawasaki engine) Thank you so much for assisting me
I can see the difference that suspension makes. Right now I just have a John Deere x370, but I’m eyeing larger mowers and zero turns. I don’t think I’d get a zero turn mower without some sort of suspension to smooth out the ride.
In the vid at 6:30 we see the mower rolling from a side view of the mower frame and of the "MyRide" chair deck... the deck is bouncing away while the mower frame is in a smoother motion. About the opposite of what I'd expected.
It's a bit of an illusion I believe. The seat is smoothing out the bumps. And I'm wondering if the GoPro recording is making the chassis of the machine seem smooth.
Curious, what (if anything) drove the decision to downsize the deck from 60 to 54? Is the 54 better at the cemetery? Also, I'm astounded to hear you've never removed the deck! I had my Timecutter deck off countless times...cleaning, blade replacement, belt service, etc. I must've been doing something wrong! 😉😎👍
Good question! The 60" just barely (like 1 inch clearance on each side) fits in our enclosed 6x12 trailer. AND - you guessed it - doesn't fit through some of the rows in the cemetery. Perhaps ignorance is bliss - I've never cleaned the bottom of our deck. That's probably a bad admission. And I've never changed or sharpened the blades on the deck. I think it is due for a new set of blades. But I'm also very careful not to hit any rocks, stumps, or sticks.
@PurpleCollarLife You've never changed or sharpened the blades in 5 seasons?!?!? And the cut quality is still acceptable? That is incredible! FWIW, I think you will find that after you've done it once, dropping the deck is pretty straightforward. On my Toro, it was about a 60 second job. 👍🙂
@@Pushing.Iron. I think people wash them all the time. I personally wouldn’t recommend a pressure washer - but more because I believe there is potential for water to get into the sealed bearings.
@PurpleCollarLife gotcha, man I'm wanting to buy a zero turn, but stuck between the toro timecutter my ride 54" and the cub cadet 54" zt1 Kinda stuck on which one to get, so I been watching videos left and right to make up my mind
It shows in the instruction manual that you pull both of the transmission release pins, turn the key to "On", move the drive controls to the drive position (so the parking brake isn't engaged) and then you can push the mower to move it. But you should only do this if absolutely necessary. It's best to charge the battery and start the machine.
With the acreage you have you may need a 60" cut but after a 52-54" (give or take a few inches) you start to have issues with scalping your lawn (in spite of the anti-scalp wheels). The cut is typically best if you can get away with a 5?" deck or less. I wish I would have keep the grass cutting job had as a kid but watching grass grow wasn't easy as a young man. It turns out that other than the trimmer that was my favorite job. The think that gets me about all of this stuff (I'm not an engineer) is that Kawasaki makes some of the most powerful motorcycle engines as well as durable but the lawnmower engine that's over 650cc is only 23HP, the 999cc engine is 36HP. Now I understand that an industrial engine is meant to be durable but some of these motorcycles have engine that last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I'm sure their engineers know what they're doing but you'd think that they could make that thing sip fuel and have plenty of power in a smaller package. Just saying. That's a head scratcher for sure! I would be happy with many of these because of how nice they are so don't get me wrong but I have a small yard so... Nice video and thanks for sharing the differences (pros & cons) between them. (quiet power equals 🥰 happy customers)
Great points about the ability of these motorcycle engines to use very little gasoline. The zero turns certainly seem to use their fair share. As far as the deck width - you're right that the wider decks can scalp more. BUT - the wider deck also hides the defects of the lawn better. I've mowed this lawn with a 32" deck, and even push mowing with a 22 inch mower. The results with the wider deck always look better, because it seems to blend the uneven terrain better than the smaller width deck does. Does that make sense?
@PurpleCollarLife I think so, that's also a great point because it's more uniform that way. I had to mow different at my home because of scalping. Most yards won't have that issue, the 72" would be worse if you have a bumper lawn.
I honestly didn't think the MyRide would make much difference over our lawn - it's pretty rough. I figured it wouldn't be able to have enough suspension to smooth it out. But it does a great job. I'm impressed.
Thanks. We’ve actually just fixed an outside spigot so that we can wash cars and equipment. We were having outside water trouble for all of last summer and the start of this summer. It should be clean the next time you see it - unless it’s just after a rain storm.
I have the exact 54 you have. I love the MyRide, the Kawasaki, and the 5g tank, and dislike the same things you dislike. However, I will upgrade 3 things from "dislike" to "despise". Traction is awful, and those tires rip up my yard, even turning very gently. My last 3 ZTRs didn't have that problem. The deck chains get tangled and if I don't notice it makes my yard look like a drunk monkey cut it. I have centipede grass, and cut on the lowest setting, so my anti-scalp wheels hit bumps and the deck jumps up and the chains get slack and tangle. I blame Toro's choice of chain, which is not anti-tangle. Also, the anti-scalp wheels drag on my driveway on the lowest setting, making a screeching noise and wearing out the wheels.
Youve got plenty of room to keep the inside tire moving instead of doing actual zero turns, better over time if you turn at same spot. Thats a sweet mower
You need to attach your camera to yourself or somewhere that has the same motion as yourself. It appears that you are bouncing all over the place when in actuality your not. Hope you understand w(at I’m saying.
I actually tried the chest-mount first. But it made the ride seem even more bumpy - because the terrain was moving around constantly. :) I’ll keep testing different ways to try to convey how smooth the ride is compared to the terrain.
Absolute biggest piles of trash on the market...drive pulley came apart at 6 months....blades dull after second mowing...fuel gauge quit working and had to replace solenoid at 6 months....forgot to mention right off the bat the rear tire decided to have a warp in it ....buy something else ...they cut like crap with new blades on them also...came cutting like crap....dont take my word for it...buy one and find out for yourself
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. It sounds like you’ve had a bad time with your Toro. That has not been our experience. In our 5th summer now, the Toro Timecutter still works great. I’ve never replaced the blades and they still cut nicely. But I’m also very careful where I cut. I only cut grass - not thick brush - and I pick up sticks in my way, and avoid gravel and dirt. The only thing I’ve done is regular oil changes, replace the battery, and general upkeep.
There’s always that one person …….I’ve never seen a fuel gauge on either of these mowers, so don’t see how there’s one to break. Blades are high quality, so maybe he was cutting rocks. I know this, if I was going to go out of my way to bash a product, I’d make sure that it was one that was actually in the video posted.
You are so full of it. You posted this exact same comment on the former 2020 model. Now you post it on the newer 2024 model. Obviously, you work for a competitor, and you just want to trash Toro. Go away. Unless you can be specific about which model you're complaining about, it's obvious you are just here to rip on ANY Toro. By the way, I don't own either model or even a ZT, but I know a trash comment when I see one.
Thanks for taking the time to compare these. I learned a few things about my new 77502, like using the lift on the fly, your appreciation of the suspension system, and using the leaf blower to clean off the debris. I live in an 1840 farm house and my "lawn" is whatever spectrum of things growing in a frequently cut environment.
MY RIDE is night n Day - I used Gravely and Dixon over 25 years... MY RIDE is a gamechanger for me
@@bradhendrickson7067 totally agree. It’s amazing.
WOW fantastic detailed video 🇺🇲🍾🎉🇺🇲
Keep producing more videos about the new Toro
Thanks, will do!
Good Evening Sir, You have a Very Nice Golf Green and You Did An OUTSTANDING Toro Timecutter Comparison Informative Video 👍😇👌🧐Be Well Sir Cheers 🍻
Thanks, Dave! Our lawn has certainly come along from where it started.
Good comparison, one thing I might have asked was what is your gallons per hour use over the same lawn? Cutting grass is probably my favorite thing to do in retirement!
That is impressive that you started off with a pasture and turned it into that! What was you process other than mowing?
Gallons per hour - that's a great question. I'll do an experiment in the future.
Where I built my house was an abandoned pasture field. I started out just brush hogging it to knock it down. Then I used my old Cub Cadet 149 tractor with deck to start "mowing" it. It was VERY hard on that machine. I dulled blades constantly. I was hitting small stubble stumps, rocks, uneven ruts, etc. Eventually I started mowing it with my Ford 2N and a 5' finish mower on the 3 point. The ag tires on the tractor actually helped smooth out the lawn - almost like aerating. And the weight of the tractor helped too - almost like rolling the lawn over time. I rolled the lawn one time in 23 years. We used to have horses, and I did spread manure over the lawn a few times. I've also done some over-seeding with Penn State lawn grass seed mix. And in a few spots, I've done some light leveling with a mix of sand and top soil. But basically - it's just the result of 23 years of keeping at it, mowing - and adding milorganite, Sunday lawn, and a few years of TrueGreen here and there.
A very good video. We need more videos like this. Can you not raise the seat to look at the amount of gas in the tank? What is the model of your older Toro mower?
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. Unfortunately - the new TIMECUTTER with MYRIDE system does not allow for the seat to be tipped forward, so seeing how much gasoline in the tank is nearly impossible. We've got lots of videos about our original TimeCutter model 75760. Here's a playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLJy7cj0ut2cDq4uZpL-u9178iRsUy2_YJ.html
Nice review. You may have convinced me on the Timecutter Max. I wasn't sure about the Myride suspension.
Too bad you can't combine them and have the best of both. 😊 They're both really nice mowers! When you install the hour meter on the new Timecutter, that would make an interesting video. 👍🔧Thanks for sharing, Chad!
Thanks! They are both amazing machines - and cut the lawn MUCH faster than any other mowers I've used. I have the hour meter on order.
Greetings again,
I didn't see the link UA-cam video to how install the hour meter. Would you provide me the link, and thank you so much for assisting me
No problem. Here's that video: ua-cam.com/video/LHLx8TEfAF4/v-deo.html
Good video. My old mid 90's toro Zmaster 222 machine has no suspension for the seat or frame. Just the slight cushion from the tires getting soft from air leaks while I mow. LOL
I used to lower the air pressure in my riding mower tires to help with the bumps. :)
The suspension on this new machine is very impressive. Better than I had predicted.
What made you decide to go with a smaller deck size? I really enjoy your channel. Thanks, Lindsay
Great question. The 60" machine just BARELY fits into our enclosed trailer, and can't fit between a few rows of the stones at the cemetery we mow.
Thanks for watching the channel!
@@PurpleCollarLife Makes perfect sense. Keep up the great videos!
Thanks, Lindsay
Greetings,
I bought a new Toro time cutter mac 50in after using for 40 minutes. The engine is leaking battery side an aluminum cover on the engine is dripping oil!!??.
Please, advise what to do ( this is my 1st ZT) thank you so much for assisting me (I bought from Lowe's)
I'm not a mechanic - but I think it sounds like the seal along the overhead valve is leaking. I would contact Lowes and see what their policy is - whether they take the machine back with less than an hour and repair it/replace it, or if you have to take it to an authorized Toro service center to be fixed under warranty. Either way - I'm sorry to hear that you're having this issue. Our two Toro machines have been perfect and without any issues.
@@PurpleCollarLife well Lowe's says bring back we will refund you. I feel bad about it I was getting used to the machine, It is so much better than my old push mower. I was following your UA-cam videos, I installed the hour meter, I was planning to do the 1st oil change, I also purchased the x keys.
I'm a senior citizen, do you think if I purchase another Toro from Lowe's I will have the same problem or Toro is not a reliable brand? (The engine was Briggs Stratton) Should I look for another one with the Kawasaki engine)
Thank you so much for assisting me
I’m trying to decide between 54” or 60” Timecutter max with my ride 77603 If you had the choice would go with the 60”?
I'd go with the 60-inch. I like the 54, but the 60 has a few advantages.
Toro really has stepped it up with the My ride!!
Nice comparison.
I can see the difference that suspension makes. Right now I just have a John Deere x370, but I’m eyeing larger mowers and zero turns. I don’t think I’d get a zero turn mower without some sort of suspension to smooth out the ride.
The suspension is amazing. I wouldn't have guessed it would make such an impressive difference.
In the vid at 6:30 we see the mower rolling from a side view of the mower frame and of the "MyRide" chair deck... the deck is bouncing away while the mower frame is in a smoother motion. About the opposite of what I'd expected.
It's a bit of an illusion I believe. The seat is smoothing out the bumps. And I'm wondering if the GoPro recording is making the chassis of the machine seem smooth.
Curious, what (if anything) drove the decision to downsize the deck from 60 to 54? Is the 54 better at the cemetery?
Also, I'm astounded to hear you've never removed the deck! I had my Timecutter deck off countless times...cleaning, blade replacement, belt service, etc. I must've been doing something wrong! 😉😎👍
Good question! The 60" just barely (like 1 inch clearance on each side) fits in our enclosed 6x12 trailer. AND - you guessed it - doesn't fit through some of the rows in the cemetery.
Perhaps ignorance is bliss - I've never cleaned the bottom of our deck. That's probably a bad admission. And I've never changed or sharpened the blades on the deck. I think it is due for a new set of blades. But I'm also very careful not to hit any rocks, stumps, or sticks.
@PurpleCollarLife You've never changed or sharpened the blades in 5 seasons?!?!? And the cut quality is still acceptable? That is incredible!
FWIW, I think you will find that after you've done it once, dropping the deck is pretty straightforward. On my Toro, it was about a 60 second job. 👍🙂
Are any of the timecutters water resistant ? As in can you wash them down without having to worry about damaging any electrical parts?
@@Pushing.Iron. I think people wash them all the time. I personally wouldn’t recommend a pressure washer - but more because I believe there is potential for water to get into the sealed bearings.
@PurpleCollarLife gotcha, man I'm wanting to buy a zero turn, but stuck between the toro timecutter my ride 54" and the cub cadet 54" zt1
Kinda stuck on which one to get, so I been watching videos left and right to make up my mind
How do you move the mower,without power, or a charged battery?
It shows in the instruction manual that you pull both of the transmission release pins, turn the key to "On", move the drive controls to the drive position (so the parking brake isn't engaged) and then you can push the mower to move it. But you should only do this if absolutely necessary. It's best to charge the battery and start the machine.
With the acreage you have you may need a 60" cut but after a 52-54" (give or take a few inches) you start to have issues with scalping your lawn (in spite of the anti-scalp wheels). The cut is typically best if you can get away with a 5?" deck or less. I wish I would have keep the grass cutting job had as a kid but watching grass grow wasn't easy as a young man. It turns out that other than the trimmer that was my favorite job. The think that gets me about all of this stuff (I'm not an engineer) is that Kawasaki makes some of the most powerful motorcycle engines as well as durable but the lawnmower engine that's over 650cc is only 23HP, the 999cc engine is 36HP. Now I understand that an industrial engine is meant to be durable but some of these motorcycles have engine that last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I'm sure their engineers know what they're doing but you'd think that they could make that thing sip fuel and have plenty of power in a smaller package. Just saying. That's a head scratcher for sure! I would be happy with many of these because of how nice they are so don't get me wrong but I have a small yard so... Nice video and thanks for sharing the differences (pros & cons) between them. (quiet power equals 🥰 happy customers)
Great points about the ability of these motorcycle engines to use very little gasoline. The zero turns certainly seem to use their fair share.
As far as the deck width - you're right that the wider decks can scalp more. BUT - the wider deck also hides the defects of the lawn better. I've mowed this lawn with a 32" deck, and even push mowing with a 22 inch mower. The results with the wider deck always look better, because it seems to blend the uneven terrain better than the smaller width deck does. Does that make sense?
@PurpleCollarLife I think so, that's also a great point because it's more uniform that way. I had to mow different at my home because of scalping. Most yards won't have that issue, the 72" would be worse if you have a bumper lawn.
does the new model have an upgraded transaxle?
Are the transmissions serviceable?
Great question. Not that I'm aware of.
Makes me want a new z turn just for the myride.
I honestly didn't think the MyRide would make much difference over our lawn - it's pretty rough. I figured it wouldn't be able to have enough suspension to smooth it out. But it does a great job. I'm impressed.
you could clean up the older machine before filming. my land is hilly so i use the 34inch to reduce weight. all great machines.
Thanks. We’ve actually just fixed an outside spigot so that we can wash cars and equipment. We were having outside water trouble for all of last summer and the start of this summer. It should be clean the next time you see it - unless it’s just after a rain storm.
I have the exact 54 you have. I love the MyRide, the Kawasaki, and the 5g tank, and dislike the same things you dislike. However, I will upgrade 3 things from "dislike" to "despise". Traction is awful, and those tires rip up my yard, even turning very gently. My last 3 ZTRs didn't have that problem. The deck chains get tangled and if I don't notice it makes my yard look like a drunk monkey cut it. I have centipede grass, and cut on the lowest setting, so my anti-scalp wheels hit bumps and the deck jumps up and the chains get slack and tangle. I blame Toro's choice of chain, which is not anti-tangle. Also, the anti-scalp wheels drag on my driveway on the lowest setting, making a screeching noise and wearing out the wheels.
Thanks! So far, I haven't experienced the chain hanging up. But I can see how that would be a problem!
Good, Thx
Welcome!
Youve got plenty of room to keep the inside tire moving instead of doing actual zero turns, better over time if you turn at same spot. Thats a sweet mower
Thanks for the tip! And yes - we're really happy with both machines.
Side shot shows mower barely moving but inner my ride bouncing like hell? Also no underseat storage on non my ride model.
Is a 54 inch to big for residential
I place my headphones over the seat back.
these $4k+ mowers coming without hour meters is so messed up. i think they want you to use their PUC, but it should come with one or the other.
no gas gauge on the new one??? woh.
You need to attach your camera to yourself or somewhere that has the same motion as yourself. It appears that you are bouncing all over the place when in actuality your not. Hope you understand w(at I’m saying.
I actually tried the chest-mount first. But it made the ride seem even more bumpy - because the terrain was moving around constantly. :) I’ll keep testing different ways to try to convey how smooth the ride is compared to the terrain.
It's grass.😂
Thanks for watching! We do enjoy our lawn.
Absolute biggest piles of trash on the market...drive pulley came apart at 6 months....blades dull after second mowing...fuel gauge quit working and had to replace solenoid at 6 months....forgot to mention right off the bat the rear tire decided to have a warp in it ....buy something else ...they cut like crap with new blades on them also...came cutting like crap....dont take my word for it...buy one and find out for yourself
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment. It sounds like you’ve had a bad time with your Toro. That has not been our experience. In our 5th summer now, the Toro Timecutter still works great. I’ve never replaced the blades and they still cut nicely. But I’m also very careful where I cut. I only cut grass - not thick brush - and I pick up sticks in my way, and avoid gravel and dirt. The only thing I’ve done is regular oil changes, replace the battery, and general upkeep.
There’s always that one person …….I’ve never seen a fuel gauge on either of these mowers, so don’t see how there’s one to break. Blades are high quality, so maybe he was cutting rocks. I know this, if I was going to go out of my way to bash a product, I’d make sure that it was one that was actually in the video posted.
Sounds like a operator problem...had mine for 4 years and ZEROOOOO problems
@@Mason-RRCright...they dont have a damn fuel meter 😂 hell mine dont even have a hour meter
You are so full of it. You posted this exact same comment on the former 2020 model. Now you post it on the newer 2024 model. Obviously, you work for a competitor, and you just want to trash Toro. Go away. Unless you can be specific about which model you're complaining about, it's obvious you are just here to rip on ANY Toro. By the way, I don't own either model or even a ZT, but I know a trash comment when I see one.