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I always found it interesting that Davros was the last of the Kaleds yet wasn't bothered by this at all. He clearly hates his creation but keeps supporting them out of some weird sense of pride.
Sounds like deranged old davros
In the big finish audio book "I.Davros" its about his life from childhood to this. Its so good. Davros loved live, he found creatures fascinating, so when the kaleds started to change he embraced it because it was a new form of life. In much aspects he is very much like the doctor but a bit more twisted lol 😆
He had been driven insane by warfare, being mortally wounded, seeing his species becoming genetically wouunded and undergoing mutagenic change.
@WDCain he's got dementia the poor old bugger LOL
@@Djayscratcher98 Ooooh then I must get that. I do find him very facinating. Insane to think how much destruction and death his creations caused though.
Have always remembered that scene and how frightened it made me. Cleverly done, of course. A simple build up, a sliding screen, a ghastly green lamp, a gurgling sound and after that the fertile imagination of a child takes over. Not that I was ever truly scared since I couldn't really envisage in any way what was actually in that room only that it had to be really bad judging by the reactions. Much more effective than making up monster out of green foam and slime. Enjoyed seeing it again.
"That is our future."
"We've got troubles."
Right, a time when there wasn't all the flash bang special effects and story telling had to be paramount. These days story doesn't matter its all special effects and "the message!!!" and that is why sci-fi today sucks. You can still watch old Dr Who and even Star Trek and be entertained and maybe learn something
When I was a child the ones that really scared me were the vashta nerada and the child in a gas mask
@@alecmisra4964Tom Baker actually said... " You've got troubles "... in a soft, sympathetic voice, which was most effective... A perfect example of where a gentle soft voice, is far more appropriate, than a loud shout...
I'd love to see a Dalek story set in the darker times for the Daleks. By this I mean, during the time period before The Daleks had been effected by the Time War. Maybe have a bigger return for the Renegades or Imperials. Or maybe we'd see a story set before the creation of the Daleks and expand on what life was like before Davros. (This probably was done in Big Finish I, Davros - but I think it'd be interesting to see it on screen)
Genesis has always been a favourite of mine.
oh...I tried to get genesis. ended up as a dvd I can't use. made in england or something.
Extremely meh
I really like the darker Dalek stories. It feels like in these ones, it's possible to explore thr Daleks culture, behaviors and ideology.
I seriously love the 4th Doctor. He had some amazing adventures.
When I was a kid I had my mom knit me a scarf just like that 🤣
"You've got troubles!". The Doctor has such a gift for understatement.
This is the pinnacle of Dr Who. The writing doesn’t better than his, and there’s no ironic wink to camera or fourth wall breaking… just earnest story telling.
Power of the Daleks?
This and caves of androzani
It would be interesting if there was more about how the later Daleks got so advanced and powerful. They ended up basically beating the Gallifreyans. I would have always predicted the Daleks would never get to that level, they even eventually built that void ship that was way beyond Gallifreyan tech
Well, it was through sheer single minded dedication. You don't achieve the insane goal of galatic domination by being angry lol. They advanced their tech without thought for anything but conquest and survival. They are also far smarter than they are often portrayed. Their dedication made their tech jump a lot. They would for example make a very unstable nuclear reactor that leaked and killed thousands of daleks a week as long as it progressed their goal. Dedication like that once it takes hold is very hard to stop.
Remember that, at the end of the Genesis story, the Dalek leader stated that they would learn, and constantly work to make improvements... For example, we all know that a flight of stairs stopped them at first... Then we saw " ELEVATE " and then the stairs were no longer a problem....
There's only one thing the Daleks actually want, so they invest their entire civilization into achieving it
My mother's favorite Doctor. Long live Tom Baker the 4th Doctor.
I highly recommend the I, Davros Big Finish audios. They really expand upon this and are really worth a listen.
On the one hand, I’ve always been curious to see a story about what was the original cause of the war between the Thals and the Kaleds. However, much like the origin of the forehead bumps of the Klingons in “Star Trek”, I accept that, in all likelihood, no answer any writer is likely to come up with would ever be satisfactory … and so much like Worf said in the Deep Space 9 story where they went back in time to “The Trouble With Tribbles”, when asked the question how the bumps happened, he simply said, “We don’t talk about it.”
I've always felt that both sides started the war and that it was over territory and ideology of some kind. Their war and how it turned out is proof that people need to use peaceful methods to resolve disputes as possible and not end up like the Thals and Kaleds.
I don't even wonder about it. I treat every Doctor Who story arc as being in a slightly different reality. After all, TARDIS does stand for Time And RELATIVE DIMENSIONS In Space.
The Deep Space 9 episode is called Trials and Tribbleations. I have the novel of the episode.
Eh, I was pretty sure they explained it as the ridges were originally the inner Klingons, royality, etc, and the non ridges the outer Klingons, common folk, in an enterprise episode, meanwhile one of the novels mentioned a virus that wiped out all the outer Klingons leaving the ridges having to take on the jobs and responsibilities of the non ridges.
@@pika_dusk It was the result of Klingons becoming aware of Augments (super humans like Kahn created in the late 20th century) but the Klingons believed the Augments were a current development and began to try develop Augments of their own using their DNA, however because the Augments has human DNA the Klingons lost their ridges and became more ambitious/aggressive (that's why the Klingons in the original series behaved differently to the ones in TNG or DS9) eventually the mutation became a virus that spread from Klingon to Klingon giving them a much more human appearance, but after medical intervention the harmful effects of the virus were removed and the physical change would disappear in a generation or two.
One of my favorites!!! Love Classic Who!!
Genesis Of The Daleks is a timeless reminder of how much more enjoyable Doctor Who was for me when it was a more serious show. Especially thanks to Tom Baker during the Philip Hinchcliffe era.
We don't get writing and pure sci-fi like this anymore on the small screen. Amazing stuff!
Haven't seen that episode in years! Now I want to watch the entire thing! 😁😎
It was brilliant, from beginning to end!
Forces TV on sky 181 is now showing these classic stories.
Thankfully it's available on iTunes. It was part of the 50th Anniversary releases.
The _best_ Dalek story on all of DW. Thank you, Terry Nation. Thank you, Michael Wisher.
Then Terry Nation helped work on MacGyver. :)
Power?
@@JnEricsonx Terry Nation supposedly, or so I had read somewhere, considered having the Daleks somehow in Blake's 7, but obviously decided against it.
Not just the best Dalek story on all of DW.... The best story EVER of all Dr Who....
It looks like Tom Baker really injured his hand, when was pushed into the floor; he keeps rubbing it, for a while.
However, he continues to complete the rest of the scene. He truly is a professional. 👍
Yes, he could still remember his lines, and , yes, it looks as if he grazed his palm on the floor...
My Doctor and Genesis was the ultimate epitome. A child's imagination was all that was really needed to envision what the Kaleds were through a window, green light and some creepy sound fx.
Yes, we had only had a few glimpses of what the creatures were like, both in this story and earlier stories... It would be a very long time until we got the opening Dalek, and our first sight of the octopus creature...
Those stunts that Tom Baker did though! You wouldn't see a modern Doctor being pushed to the floor!
the writers were on a roll when they did this one!!
I think that everyone involved, from writers, to production, to the actors, all knew that this story was a brilliant story, ( even allowing for the mid 70's BBC financial constraints ) and they all knew that it would go down in history, as a true British great.... Even as they were making it !!!
One of the best stories ever.
I'm not even watching these videos for the clips anymore, I just want to hear Tom Baker telling me to subscribe at the end.
He could read the most boring text books in a library and get your dander up...(talons reference)
Still the best story of Tom Baker’s era, Pyramid of Mars aside.
Both great as well as Ark in space
city of death
Personally I don't think there was a truly bad episode during his entire era. But then I can be a bit biased, as he was the Doctor when I learned of the show's existence.😎
@@willhorting5317 I'm a huge Tom Baker fan, but... Underworld.
@@jokkemursula8731 I am not sure what you mean about Underworld. Was that a title of an episode? It has been some time since I've seen any of the Tom Baker episodes, so I don't recall the titles of many of them.
What a clever story with such a brilliant TARDIS Team.
the best of all dalek stories
The best story of all Dr Who EVER !
I would have love to see in that room and surprised harry didnt freak out.
He probably spent at least 3 years in medical college so he's probably seen worse 😁
@@zxbzxbzxb1 I don't know... I'm guessing that a large prune, with four spindly legs, is NOT really covered in Medical School... ?
Ironically the Kaleds enemies the Thals survive the war intact.
They didn’t - they were then massacred by the first Daleks…
@@captainbeaky They were still around at the end of the original "The Daleks" serial when William Hartnell`s Doctor wiped the Daleks out (on Skaro anyway). John Pertwee`s Doctor encountered some Space travelling Thals much later on another planet who knew of Earth as a legend.
So the Thal`s must have rebuilt some sort of civilization on Skaro after the original serial though perhaps abandoned it for a much less abused planet later once they developed space travel.
Of course they might have been wiped out by some of the off-world Daleks later (at some point before Hartnell's Doctor arrived the Skaro Daleks appear to have sent out a number of colony ships beyond the Skaro system) but we don't really know for sure though the Daleks seem to have returned to Skaro multiple times.
@@captainbeakyIt would seem that a few Thals somehow survived, and possibly a few of the Mutos......... Who knows, maybe a few Kaleds survived ( but we know that they would eventually become octopus creatures )... so, all in all, the name of the planet was well chosen by the writers..... Skaro.... or maybe " Scary " is pretty accurate....!
@@richardruff8712 According to Terry Nation himself, some of the Kaled's did Survive the Destruction of the Dome, and found Davros's notes and some MK2 Travel Device Prototypes in the Ruined City, and became the Daleks we saw in "The Daleks" through to "Evil of the Daleks", the Skaro Daleks, with that all happening in the 1000 Years while the Bunker (Renegade) Daleks built their Army.
The Thals mating with the Muto's is also what cancelled out the Mutations and resulted in the "Aryan" Thals seen in "The Daleks" and "Planet of the Daleks", an Irony given that the Kaleds, being "Space Nazis", would have had Aryan as their image of Perfection, yet it was mating with the "Imperfect" Muto's that turned the Thals into Aryans, while the "Pure" Kaleds....turned into Squids!
Which is what got the "Dome" Daleks Mad! causing them to build a Massive Neutron Bomb to wipe out the "Mutothals", a Bomb hit by a Meteor Shower causing it to blow up Prematurely.... leaving Skaro even more Lifeless than ever.
@@richardruff8712 This would be a different time line after 4th interfered.
Tom baker my favorite doctor
Why is there a tag about doctor who flux? When it's a Tom baker vid 🤔
Well it’s still the Doctor. He’s just talking about himself/herself at a later date.
Probably because although the clip is Classic Who, it's been posted in current time.
@@benwasserman8223 suppose so
@@willhorting5317 true
Maybe an attempt to kid you in to thinking that modern Dr Who is remotely relevant.
Brilliant Story.
This is Why I love this story
Legendary.
Amazing story
With just a quick glance at the thumbnail, not having seen the title of the video, my first thought was: "Huh. I don't remember that in any of the Bill and Ted movies.."
Thee best Dalek story ever.
I wonder if the Doctor turning to harry and whispering “I bet hes going to bite” was ad libed
I never noticed that before!
Keep them Jelly Babies handy Tom Who?
😅
This was one of my favourite dw stories to read as a kid
If only the Doctor and his companions had been able to keep the Thals and Kaleds from destroying each other's domes while stopping Davros, getting the two races to end their war and having the Daleks become peaceful beings instead of the genocidal killing machines they became.
@MultiFan Isn't that what the Time Lords wanted the Doctor to do in this episode? To rewrite history so the Daleks don't exist or become less aggressive?
BOring
@@davidcoberly9240 Then have the timeline I suggested become an alternate timeline while the Doctor continues to fight the Daleks in the original timeline where he didn't interfere.
@MultiFan Why'd they put the Doctor on trial? Also, I've noticed how flawed the Time Lord government is, I can see why the Doctor opts to travel across time and space with Human companions instead of chilling on Gallifrey.
@@girlgarde It was a pretext for the Valeyard's plan to claim the Doctor's remaining regenerations.
"You've got troubles"...he could have showed him a video of 2020-2022
I love the 70's doctor Who.😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
1:22
Shhhh, nobody tell him that a guy in a big blue box literally appeared and gave them their names, a catchphrase and the laser gun with plumbing craft plunger form xD
Tom Baker is the Doctor
Don't make the Doctor angry, Mr. McGee. You wouldn't like him when he's angry.
Hopefully, he doesn't turn green !
if only the current version was a tenth as good as this
You've got troubles.
The Doc goes back in time to the birth of the Darlek race.
? yes
Best Dalek story ever!🤩
Power of the Daleks begs to differ.
So much better than anything New Who, especially GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLL Who.
Old Doctor is the best Doctor!
Genesis of the Daleks! Say no more
Ronson is so short, how could he see the creation of the Daleks ?
Not only of the Kaleds.
So what was Davros’ plan? Turn all Kaleds into mutants and lock them up into casings?
2. ???
3. PROFIT!
The whole point of the story, is that Davros conducted an experiment, to find out what the final mutated form of the Kaled people would ACTUALLY be like ( of course, we now know that the Dalek creature was like an octopus ) and Davros designed a mobile life-support container, in which the octopus creature could live, and armed with a very advanced ray gun, theoretically for self defence only... Davros had only planned to ensure that the Kaled race would be able to survive... But gradually Davros modified his plans, to enable the octopus creatures to become the dominant race in the universe... That is what the Time Lords wanted to try to avoid...
@@richardruff8712 so it was like prepping for the future for when the time comes that the kaleds do turn into those things?
@@famalam943 Yes... At the time of this Dr Who visit, the Kaled people were still normal human-like creatures... But it was known that the people would certainly degenerate into a strange shape, but Davros had been able to discover EXACTLY what that final shape would be... ( It might have taken hundreds more years, bu they knew, for certain, that the octopus shape was going to happen )... So Davros had worked to try to ensure the survival of the octopus creatures, by designing some type of body armour, and the means to defend themselves...Actually, even the Doctor, in a later story, said that Davros's discovery of the final mutated form of the Kaled race, was the most impressive research that he ( the Doctor ) had EVER seen, in his 700 years !
@@richardruff8712 ah ok. Thanks for the info
It was a very clever trick ( by the cash-strapped BBC ) to deliberately NOT show the inside of the creatures chamber... By having the Camera inside, and looking at Dr Who and Harry, meant that the props Dept, didn't have to spend any money, making the costly octopus creatures... A green light and gurgling sounds was enough to fire our imaginations... A clever solution to let US, the viewers, try to guess what was inside the room...
Should do a dalek origin story in new who
I wish that they could make a story about the ' Genesis of the Cybermen ' along the general idea of the ' Genesis of the Daleks '... Would be interesting ?
@@richardruff8712 If you are ok with Audio-Drama, there is a "Genesis of the Cybermen".
"Spare Parts".
*"Whoever Is This Early Deserves To Be Classed A Whovian👻!"*
I just noticed kaled is dalek backwards
Not quite !... You nearly got it correct... But certainly KALED is an anagram of DALEK, as Tom Baker nearly stated !
Annihilate All humans🤖🤖🤖
Can’t wait for the Chibnall retcon that reveals that the Daleks were actually designed for cuddling.
Does anyone even watch his garbage these days?
@@ivorbiggun710 The bin men collecting his waste materials from his house? 🤷♂️
But, no, no-one watches “his rubbish” as he does not produce anything of that sort.
He instead produces very good instalments of Doctor Who that keep getting deliberately misinterpreted by idiots with an axe to grind about the hiring of a female Doctor.
you spelled Kelad's wrong - its suppossed to be Dalek backwards.
Dalek is an anagram of Kaled, you're thinking of a semi-palindrome. The Doctor even comments "Kaled, why that's an anagram of..." before cutting off when the Kaleds introduce themselves.
@@orchNEStra Yes, you are 100% correct... Perhaps some of the viewers are not concentrating properly on the story...?
The future of the khaleds
Presumably, in the future, they will be taught how to spell correctly !
Khaled lol
You’ve got troubles! Really!
Where I can watch this episode?
Acorn TV or Britbox, probably?
“ he's going to bite. “
Tom Baker will always be the only Doctor for me. 🧣
Yes, Tom Baker is no. 1... William Hartnell is no.2...
What the hell is a kaled
😂
@@davidcoberly9240 Perhaps some of the viewers are not concentrating properly on the story...?
When the Daleks were lead by Emperor Daleks and Supreme Daleks they were way better and also the Daleks were characters in their own right once Davros came along the concept of the Daleks was well spoilt having the Daleks lead by Davros who was not a genuine proper Dalek but half Kaled theus Dalek in human form and half Dalek IMO was totally and completely daft and silly and no Dalek story post Genesis of the Daleks for example Destiny of the Daleks and the later trio of Dalek stories from the 1980s were all Davros based and the Daleks were just basically mere foot soldiers to Davros and also I do not watch Dalek stroies aftter Death to the Daleks anymore because IMO no Dalek story after Death is really a Dalek story it is really a Davros story
Ripping davroses body apart by himself making billions of Daleks
I went to school with a Kaled. Just saying.
I Love Him XXXXXXXXXX 😍🤩🥰😘🤤😛🤮🤧🥵🥶😵💫😵🥴😴🤮🤢
Bit like looking at Brexit 🤭
This might be a bit contentious, but... here goes... The British people voted for Brexit, and the only reason it was delayed for so long, was, that the Politicians deliberately tried to stop it, against the instructions of the people ( their employers )... Which could be almost considered to be Treason... But the Kaleds knew EXACTLY what their future would be, and designed a survival system and weaponry, to allow the octopus creatures to survive... They had no choice in the matter...
This episode, Pyramids of Mars, Planet of Evil, Terror of the Autons, Terror of the Zygons and Talons of Wen Chiang spoiled me, can't watch the modern stuff.
Maybe you have forgotten that fantastic story of the Cybermen attacking the Moonbase... I agree that the Talons of Weng Chiang was pretty good, but I think it would have been nice if we could have seen INSIDE the Time Cabinet....
First. (Jellybaby)
Was kinda weird