The Power to End All Life? | Genesis of the Daleks | Doctor Who
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- The Doctor and Davros clash philosophically - and physically - over the power to end all life!
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I love the way The Doctor uses the virus analogy to see if he can be reasoned with but he learns Davros is just genuinely insane
Technically, Davros isn’t legally insane, but I get what you’re saying.
@@knightofarkronia8652 You say that, but he was laughing maniacally when it seemed the Reality Bomb was going to successfully go off.
@@GatorOne-in7hk Basically, the legal definition of insanity is a mental condition that leaves you unaware of what your doing and unaware if it is right or wrong, neither of which applies to Davros.
Now that I've seen clips of Doctors 4 to 7 interacting with Davros, this mad scientist really goes through quite the intensity of it all:
1. Is threatened with death by Tom Bakers 4th Doctor that if he presses his life support switch a 2nd time, he'll keep it held down thus killing him.
2. Peter Davidson's 5th Doctor holds a ray gun to his face again threatening death
3. Colin Bakers 6th Doctor calls him out for using less intelligent people as ingredients for a special nutrient substance. Aka Soylent Green Doctor Who style
4. Sylvester McCoy's 7th Doctor taunts him into firing a gun that I think backfires on him?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral 4. The Hand of Omega. That is, the solar engineer, Omega, had a stellar manipulator device which the Doctor kept safe until he was ready to hand it over...to destroy Skaro. (And to be clear, this is long after the Thals were gone from there, so don't worry about them.)
I love the way Davros says: "Evil? No! No, I will not accept that"
Who doesn’t
Absolutely. It's like he's genuinely taken aback by the suggestion. Not even offended, just surprised that someone as intelligent as the Doctor would see it that way.
Michael Wisher as Davros is a bravura piece of acting 🥰🥰🥰
@@eddhardy1054never bettered. The other incarnations of Davros were comical compared to this. Well done, Michael.
It's perhaps a take on the Major in Fawlty Towers, who berates the American tourist when he says that the hotel is the crummiest, 'No, I won't have that! ... There's a place in Eastbourne.'.
0:57 I wonder if this conversation eventually gave Davros the idea for the Reality Bomb?
Or that gave the real world Covid-19?
@@bruceyang2494 If Davros was behind COVID-19, we’d all be dead by now.
In the big Finish 8th Doctor audio Terror Firma, he did actually create and use the virus.
Something I've noted: despite how blatantly evil Davros has been, the Doctor is still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt he could see the error of ways. But when his answer to the "doomsday virus" (basically an allegory of the Daleks) is "I would use it" he snaps and threatens his life. At that point the Doctor realized that not only is Davros *just* as evil as the Daleks, he's arguably worse since he chooses to be so
Yet one of his later iterations still spares and saves him as a child. I find that strange.
@@dutchvanderlinde248 did he have the right to end that child for things he had not done?
@@largo778 That's a moral conundrum that has no clear answer.
@@dutchvanderlinde248 and that's the reason I love this show. It forces you to think.
If there isn’t a purer instillation of how fantastically insane Davros is (beyond creating the Daleks at all), this scene is it.
Now imagine Michael Wisher rehearsing it with a paper bag over his head.
The moment when you realize the Davros is unredeemable.
Which is part of what makes him a great villain. He's not misunderstood, burned by a woman, scorned by society, etc. He's just insanely twisted and evil.
He tries to save the other kaleds at the end and made a pacemaker for one of them
Magnificent performance by Michael Wisher. Considering he was wearing a mask that completely covered his face, and was portraying an almost totally paralysed man with a mechanised voice to boot, yet he manages to convey the megalomaniacal intensity of Davros, how he is a brilliantly gifted yet utterly ruthless and insane, through voice and gesture with one hand alone.
He was wearing a kilt as well, to make it easier to maneuver his legs under the chair!
The final, absolutely terrifying realisation of being a Doctor Who fan: there really are people who are unhyperbolically, honest-to-God like Davros.
We're talking about you, Vlad!
Putin
Fortunately none as genius as him yet
Yes, we call them Progressives 🤣😜😎
So what's the opposite of progressive? Regressive? Suppressive??
If your friends say they don't like Classic Who show them this scene. If this doesnt change their mind, nothing will
Watched this with my daughter's in 2012 when they were teens who enjoy the New show but they loved this too.
The Classic World Health Organisation is all about medical development. That is never good. Rid them or health is never a business.
This is my first exposure to Classic Who, and I gotta say, they were cooking even back then.
Franchises that have lasted for so many decades like Doctor Who usually survive for so long for a reason.
0:56 The look on the Doctor’s face is like “This guy cannot be for real”.
This scene alone is peak classic who. Looking back I can see why some of the older fans took umbridge with some of the sillier aspects of the 10th and 11th Doctor's writings, but everything has its place in the show. :)
I mean, a LOT of Tom Baker episodes were sillier than most new who
@@doctorwhoredux I was about to concur. But still he's MY Dr!!
@@doctorwhoredux the silly Tom Baker Episode are some of the best ones!
@@rockotarsoldaccount I didn't make any value judgements in my comment
Timey wimey? I think that is about the worst phrase ever written in Dr. Who.
Undoubtedly, one of the BEST SCENES EVER in Classic Doctor Who!
And the scene in this very story in which the Doctor debates whether it's morally ethical to commit genocide to prevent genocide.
Great episode, truly a classic and Davros is portrayed magnificently
This ONE scene is the perfect example of characters written perfectly and 2 actors who understood the mindset of each of them.
Yeah, shows how good Dr Who used to be.
My favorite episodes ever, Michael Wisher's performance is remarkable!!
Absolutely! I don't know what it is.. his voice, tone, mannerisms? He just owns the role
Wisher just runs away with it. I’ve never seen an actor having so much fun.
Cannot think of a singular more iconic scene in all of Classic Who
Not to disparage this scene, but I think the scene in this story in which the Doctor deliberates the morality of committing genocide to prevent genocide is better.
@@retnavybrat Yes. This entire serial was brilliantly written.
The entirety of Genesis of the Daleks is peak Doctor Who.
This single moment here ironically would seal the fate of the Time Lords
The guy playing Davros is a seriously good actor.
Mike Wisher acted periodically in the series since the Troughton era. He got mostly minor roles but when he gets something juicy like this he really sinks his teeth in.
Every aspect of this scene is a masterpiece. One of the best scenes in the show.
One of the greatest legendary scenes of the classic series. The fire that started the Time War that would haunt The Doctor through all his lives.
This literally what peak doctor who looks like
Davros: I'm not evil.
Also Davros: YEAH I TOTALLY WOULD KILL EVERYONE THAT SOUNDS HOT AS HELL
All the power to whip out life in the power of his finger tips is chilling.
And he would eventually gain the power to do all of that and more near the end of David Tennant’s run.
I would be seriously tempted to have that same power in my hands
The idea of Davros just whipping it out is terrifying
This is the most pivotal scene with Davros to always remind us all of the megalomaniacal villainies that we must defeat in our real world.
U mean Clause Schwarb, Tony Blair etc?
The worst megalomaniacal villain is the one who plays the good guy.
Justin Trudeau, Bill Gates etc etc
@@harshtruth5003So Davrios than.....F-
@@harshtruth5003The one who THINKS he is the good guy.
"Don't touch that button, it will force me to do what you want."
I like to imagine that the button is an alert to Nyder that davros was in danger instead of a function that affects his life support, and davros was pretending to act weak in front of the doctor as a way to stall time until Nyder arrives
Oh my this is 1975 - and 49 yrs later in 2024 the notion of good versus bad in the world is so pertinent
One of the best lines in classic who and maybe moment too
2:00 "AND THROUGH THE DALEKS I SHALL HAVE THAT POWER!" 🤖
The virus reminds me a great deal of the "reality bomb" from series 4 of Modern Who. Perhaps Davros looked back and thought "actually yeah fair play doc, good idea."
"Old" Modern Who took many cues from the Classic series.
Having an unprotected switch that controls all life support systems right there in front of the user is probably not the greatest design move. I worry that someone who would design something like that could just go off and build an evil robot with toilet plungers for hands or something
They don’t make them as good as this anymore. True Classic.
2:15 - 2:37 One of the Doctor's many savage moments over the years.
What I love about this scene is that up until this point The Doctor hasn’t attempted to kill Davros, even after he tortured his friends The Doctor still attempts to reason with him like he has throughout the entire serial. But you can see in this scene, the full realisation by The Doctor of what Davros is, you can see on his face just before he grabs his arm he’s realised how dangerous Davros is, and that he’s dealing with someone who would rather allow all other creatures in the universe to die, than to be remembered for good. That speech by Davros is just an excellent way of describing the self destructive insanity of fascism, and it foreshadows what does happen to him, because by breaking the capsule he would kill himself, just as by releasing the Daleks they killed (Ik they didn’t but whatever) him.
Yet when it came to it, he WASN'T willing to let the Doctor kill him. His life mattered more to him than his goals.
Heil Davros😎
Nazism/Eugenics, not fascism
this ep firmly converts Doctor Who from a ersatz Avengers alternative or a kid's history at home training class and develops it into hard core science fiction. The intensity of the drama, primarily via Tom Baker's no holding back talents, looped in many viewers and transfixed them into Whovian fanatics!
Wisher vs. Baker. It doesn’t get any better than this!
If you ever need to quickly explain who Davros is, show this clip
1:49 including you, Davros.
You guys realise that the doctor was going to press the suicude button again the second davris said the order cannot countermounded. Also earlier he said "destroy davros and you destroy the daleks"
I might have asked this before, but I wonder if this conversation eventually gave Davros the idea for the Reality Bomb?
Such a great scene I remember it like it was yesterday its unforgettable.
And then the audio story Terror Firma showed that Davros remembered that virus analogy, gave it some thought, *and actually made it*, gloating to the Doctor how he inspired it.
One of the greatest scenes of all time.
I find it so peculiar (and I like it) that the Doctor, and the best classic one at that, caused the Last Great Time War, and hence so so much pain and suffering
Fun Fact: In the Big Finish story Terror Firma, Davros actually does create the virus and tries to threaten the Eighth Doctor with it. Specifically crediting the Fourth Doctor with the idea in keeping with the theme of the story that actions have consequences.
remember watching this as kid on Saturday night and saying "do it Doctor..kill him" and then the disbelief when he gets knocked out..safe to say i was emotionally invested..absolute TV gold.
Well the BBC did kill Davros, in a way
Too bad they couldn't get Michael Wisher to do this again. He nails the character so well, all the others who played Davros couldn't come close to matching him.
How convenient for Davros to have a button that can literally end his life.
The peak of Dr who absolute perfection . and very chilling with what is sadly going on in the world today
Tom Baker was the definitive Dr. Who on TV when BBC was picked up by PBS in the 80s. I also remember Fawlty Towers and Are You Being Served on Saturday nights. And Masterpiece Theatre. Peter Cushing did the Dr. Who movies. They played on PBS first and then the TV series came out in mid 82. Tom Baker was the first Dr. Who I saw. Later, older shows were presented. The TV show was on on Wednesday night..They usually ran 2 shows back to back at first. I've seen several actors in the role from the 60s onward. I've never watched the female version. It doesn't fit. I don't know if it's still on or not.
All the Dr's where brilliant Tom Baker was King of the Dr's in my opinion thank you Tom Baker 👍
I’m a die hard Pertwee fan, but NO QUESTION, Tom nailed the role. Nobody can touch him.
power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely
Years later, not only did Davros create an Empire of Daleks with their own hierarchy, he followed through with that idea of total extermination of the universe in the form of the Reality Bomb.
A fantastic performance by Michael Wisher.
The tonal whiplash between “this is one of the best written scenes of all time” and “why does Davros have a ‘kill Davros’ button on the front of his chair”
In this moment Davros learned having a single button that controls his entire life support system may have been a mistake
One of my favorite davos actors
I love Dr Who, and this series is one of my all time favorites.... But why would Davros literally have an off button, that would kill him on his console that anyone could reach? For a paranoid genius that seems a bit bizarre
I remember reading another comment that guessed that it wasn't an off button for the life support, it was a security alarm that alerts Nider when davros needs assistance. Davros tricked the doctor into calling him in.
Anyone else got questions about how Davros's chair's motions are so freaking smooth?
The biggest question is why Davros has a very easy accidental suicide button on his console.
And so the reality bomb was thought of
The definitive Doctor/Davros scene. Shame about Nyder's wobbly cosh.
"I know; let me put s switch on the control panel that will kill me if it's pressed!"
I thought he was a genius?
I think Davros has some form of suicide ideation. In one of the audios, it’s revealed that after the attack that left him scarred and crippled, the Kaleds handed him a poison injector to kill himself with. He decided against it, but kept the injector with him for many years, even using it during a fight with the sixth doctor.
@@EditedAF987 exactly
Never realized what a huge doctor who fan Tony founchi is
love how Doctor try to talk to the mad man!!!!
Behold, the scene which birthed Terror Firma.
Foreshadowing of the reality bomb 0:57
Is it bad that I first discovered this iconic scene through a YTP?
At least you've discovered it
And then, 120 episodes later: *THIS* IS MY ULTIMATE VICTORY, DOCTOR! THE *DESTRUCTION* OF *REALITY* ITSELF!
Look up Insane in a dictionary, and you'll find a picture of Davros.
The only problem I have with the "Genesis of the Daleks" storyline is that it contradicts the origins of the Daleks back with the First Doctor.
The Doctor Who and the Daleks episode established that a great war that broken out on Skaro between the Thals and the Dals---(the Dals eventually becoming the Daleks), thru mutation and thus able to survive within their "Dalek" casings.
that how daleks got there mindset from davros insane mind
Like the full solution to the Hitler baby paradox.
Davros is like Putin, only less dishonest.
When someone is carefree about killing millions - you know something went horribly wrong.
Bruh, possibly the less relevant comparaison I've ever seen
My god, please shut up.
he forgot to add "to kill all life - even YOU - that would give him something more to think about because as long as the others do the dying he has no problem with it but when it comes to his own life that is another story.
when you look at the Darleks, they are terrifying but totally illogical...
the best way to defeat them is build stairs all around..
I don't know if Doctor Who (in the various media it occurs in) ever depicted a battle between Daleks and Weeping Angels. Although Daleks can be manufactured, I don't know if they would be able to face the Angels properly.
Maybe where the concept of Vader came from.
Tom B.....IS THE MAN!!!
The Daleks will end up using their creator as a pet. 😁
But in the original history, before the Doctor intervened Davros was killed.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Davros was responsible for COVID-19 and its variations!
Davos more likely 😂
It has a very high survival rate.
GOTD is one of the best
I just subscribed for #4 big T.B. Himself never saw much of classic who I wasn’t alive in “wilderness years” but somehow in America I remember Doctor who and scarf and from late mate TV
Incroyable i am french
Davros is the greatest comedian in the UNIVERSE and through Davros I shall have that power
You should never permit a scientist to take charge just because you feel sorry for him. James Watson and Stephen Hawking
Davros must have hated the idea of golfing and retirement.
Dempros?! Good thing even he would admit he's too stupid for this!
Why would you have a switch to kill yourself? Davros is stupid for a genius.
because in the days and weeks following his accident, he genuinely did consider destroying himself. It was only when he deduced that without him, the Kaleds would lose the war, that he chose to live. But he still keeps the killswitch, just in case...
So a... final shape?
What a Fantastic episode! Evil Dan would have destroyed the daleks
the daleks exterminate themselves at the presence of evil dan
@@cmenardmusic true lol
I never liked the Davros villain he IMO spoilt the Dalek concept and when the Daleks were lead by Supreme Daleks or even Emperor Daleks they were characters in their own right and not portayed as mere henchmen like they became in all remaining Dalek serials in the original Dr Who series from 1963 to 1989 and how I wish I could have been born before 1969 and born in 1963 or even born before the 1960s
The Boss isn't happy
i always thought Davey was a little crazy🤪😆
Davros reminds me of my 1st wife but he does have more humanity
Wait, your wife is worse than a guy who would end all life if he wanted to?
Dang she must of been evil
Davros and Putin are on the same page in thinking they are like twins
Clearly, Davros has the right idea. However, I can't help thinking having life support switch is a bit of an error.
The Dalek Handbook (published 2010 by BBC Books) states that “although Davros refused to permit himself the “luxury of death”, a part of him still yearned for it, and he fitted a control switch with which he could suspend the whole system”.
The various novelisations give some history to Davros. He's only saved by the Kaleds because of his genius. At one point they leave him in a room with a mirror and a switch connected to instantly lethal poison, to either adapt to his monstorus new self of commit suicide. The switch on his chair still provides that function. As said above, Davros regards death as a luxury which he denies himself - so long as he;s still workign on his newfound purpose for continuing to live as a shattered shell, which is the creation and perfection of the Daleks.
Why the Doctor and Davros have a different way of saying the word "evil"?
"Realise me!!!"
No Davros
@@FrostiFire1 "don't touch that switch!!!!!!"
@@2429Ryanspeer Why Not?
@@FrostiFire1 that controls my life Support systems I cannot last 30 seconds without them
@@2429Ryanspeer Order the destruction of the incubator section
2:00 2:10 2:15
2:16 2:17
2:11
Can anyone tell me the year and the name of the episode?
Genesis of the Daleks
the dude needs a haicut
Why don't he just kill the dalek? He had the chance to kill all the dalek by connecting two wires
Because (as he says) that would make him just as bad as the Daleks themselves. he would be guilty of genocide himself.
@@richardgregory3684 then by the time Remembrance of the Daleks comes around, he's realised he was wrong and nukes their homeworld
@@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne No, that doesn;t destroy ALL the Daleks. And the Doctor does not really do it, Davros does - nothing would have happened if Davros had not tried to steal the Hand of Omega and give his Imperial Dalek faction th epower over Time that the Tiem Lords have. As the Doctor says "No Davros - you did it to yourself". Davros is undone by his own supreme arrogance, he did not even test the Hand but assumed he could control it and that the Doctor did not booby-trap it. He just went ahead and fired it into Skaro's sun.
@@richardgregory3684 the Doctor states in the episode that he programmed the Hand to fly into Skaro's sun and send it supernova, it was a deliberate ploy. That sounds like a booby trap to me
@@darlig.ulv.bakhjerne That's what I said. The Doctor only sets the booby trap. If Davros had not tried to steal the Hand and use it to further his ambitions, nothing would have happened. As the Doctor says, Davros does it to himself. He tried to steal the Hand, he arrogantly assumed he could control it, didn;t even bother to test it at all, and assumed that either the Doctor had not forseen things, or had not booby-trapped the Hand..or that Davros was so much smarter he'd be able to detect the booby trap. So really the Doctor does not destroy the Imperial Daleks and Skaro...Davros does. Undone by his own ambition, impatience for power and his own supreme arrogance that anyone could outsmart him. The classic megalomaniac. This is very different to Genesis, where the Doctor is faced with destroying an entire sentient species - one at that moment is helpless and which has yet to commit any crime. Later on, he does in fact trick a Dalek into setting off the bomb. But by that time he knows he's not committing genocide, only delaying the Daleks.
Putin in the far, far future