BROADHEADS & BLOOD TRAILS--Understanding the Connection
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2021
- How can you tell if a broadhead is going to produce a good blood trail?
In this video workshop, I discuss the top factors that affect blood trails. Whether you're a seasoned bowhunter or a brand new one, this vid will help you understand a bit more about this subject.
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Wasn't aware you were a pastor, that makes me like you that much more. Thanks for the great content 👍 keep up the good work.
Well thank you Derrick :)
AMEN
I’ve learned more about broadheads here than literally anywhere or anyone else, these videos definitely helped us choose the Broadheads my daughter, wife and I are going to use this coming deer season here in Iowa, we definitely appreciate the info and love the zero penetration test every time 👍🏼
Thank you!
I'm a disabled veteran who just got into hunting last year. Like a lot of others I don't know anyone else who hunts and I had to teach myself the entire way. I cant tell you how much I appreciate your videos and reviews. you are one of the only guys who really checks biased opinions at the door. Keep it up because its really hard to find fair product reviews that can be directly compared to other heads
Thank you Robert...for your comment and for your service on our behalf!
That was me who shot the elk in the hind quarter. Not the shot I intended or recommend. But because of a great broadhead (QAD Exodus), fairly heavy arrow, and an insane amount of luck, it hit an artery and broke pelvis. About 6inches of that arrow broke off and passed through.
Thanks for the shout out John, glad to be your friend!
Haha. Thanks for sharing that Nick! I was pumped that it worked so well for you!
I watch every single video you make. I have to say, i thinki like this video the best. You explained it very well. Allot of folks just don't understand the concept. You explain it so well. Thanks allot i really enjoyed this very much. Keep up the good work sir.
When talking about a blood trail, I think the location of the hit FIRST!!! Is most important.
Yes. No doubt. That’s why I say that in the vid as well.
I started bow hunting in the 80s you could buy any broad head and it was razor sharp . Today heads aren’t so sharp great video . ✝️
Thank you
This is so much more beneficial than any other hunting channel I watch.
Thank you!
This is the best all inclusive video on broadheads. Thanks
Thank you Roman. Much appreciated brother.
Mr. Lusk, My friends and I talk extensively about these factors and misconceptions. Sometimes it is hard to spread the word to fellow hunters about maximizing the lethality of their setups. Thank you for diligently putting out quality content with clear information that will make archery hunters more effective.
Your consistency is much appreciated.
Thank you Riley. I really appreciate that.
Awesome video, practice and being proficient with the gear your going to use is paramount. Thank you for highlighting that.
Amen. Thank you
Based on my limited experience, this is 100% spot on. Shot placement is king once again. Speaking in generalities, high hits don’t bleed. Low hits, especially heart hits bleed well.
Thanks for sharing that.
Excellent video. It is remarkable how many people hardly practice with their bow period, let alone shoot their broadheads to confirm good flight. Your criteria and rationale are super sound. Thank you and good luck this fall
Thank you Richard.
Exit wound is extremely important and it needs to be in that lower 1/3 of the body cavity. If you don't get that low exit hole you are going to have issues. The mechanicals while giving great entrance holes and a lot of the time do good internal damage I don't get reliable pass throughs. I killed one with a Rage 2 blade and if I hadn't have heard where it fell I would have lost it. Now for me it is fixed only and no mechanics. Love your videos by the way.
Yup I want an exit 100%
@@willc3384 I lost one to the arrow deflecting on a downward quartering shot. Looked like the arrow went between the hide and ribs. Any cut on contact would have blown through.
Yeah, I've come to like smaller sized mechs, like the Sevr 1.5 Still a wide hole, but also great flight, super durable, and great penetration.
I’m not saying they’re the toughest broadheads and I switched to these because I shoot a little lower poundage but they fly like field points have passed through every deer I’ve shot have always seemed to be very durable and you can’t beat the price - the nap shockwave
Appreciate your work and dig your content. Because of you I have a nice order from stay sharp due to watching your annihilator video and how to make them sharper. 🏹🦌
Very glad to hear that. Good luck brother.
This is a fantastic video, thank you.
Thank you!
Thank you for yet another great video. I’ve shot a number of heads and hit a number of spots. To me- hit location is number one, sharpness is number 2 (to the point of where I sharpen every yet despite being new) and mirror the sentiments above that I rather have an exit and blood trail to learn from than a DRT.
Thanks Garrett. Yeah, sharpness is huge...but a small hole made by really sharp blades can plug up easier than a really wide hole--provided both get pass thrus.
Great video, John! Thanks!
Thank you!
I've been bow hunting over 40 years, always aim for the exit with a properly tuned bow and razor sharp heads with structural integrity.
Very good. Thank you
Thank you for such a great video.
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching & commenting :)
Thank you for this information this year I’m using a 3 blade dee power broadhead and believe this will do the job thank you
Thanks Mike. Good luck.
John is correct in all this 100%. Get those pass thrus, if you Video rewatch the shot, Get both lungs or lung and heart, I used Iron will wide last year and my Blood trails looked like a crime scenes. John is a legit Broad-head Expert.
Thanks Big Mike. Much appreciated brother.
Man i know I had a draw to your channel for a reason your a man of God
Well thank you William. I've been a Christian since my junior year at LSU, back in 1983...been in the full time ministry since 1987. God bless.
I've been bow hunting whitetails since 1972. I've shot a lot of fixed heads and only a few mechanical heads. They have all done their job for me if I do my job. Putting the arrow where it needs to go has been key for me. I've made what I consider to be perfect broadside shots on deer and sometimes there's blood everywhere and other times there isn't much at all. I shot a doe with a popular 4 blade fixed head in the crease behind the shoulder. She ran about 35 yards and fell. There was no blood except where she fell and it was everywhere. I shot a doe with a mechanical head behind the shoulder and I followed just a few drops of blood to where she laid. The exit hole was so big my hand fit in it. I've shot other deer in the same place with the same broadheads and the leaves were painted red all the way to the deer. It's different all the time. They almost always fall within 30 to 40 yards but I always look to see what the blood trail looks like. The body cavity has a lot going on inside and a lot of things can move/ shift when they run. I've seen a membrane or a piece of organ blocking the holes many times. That's bow hunting. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing that.
Great video!!! It amazes me that so many people blame a broadhead instead of themselves or animal movement for a poor blood trail or lost animal. That being said sometimes bad things happen and having a quality broadhead does make a difference between recovery and no recovery.
Yep. Good comment Kevin.
Super cool video John. 30 minutes of things I can really relate to 😎👍👍. Got half packed today. Michigan to northern Idaho Wednesday morning. Last December 1st 2020 (DAV non-resident) I Drew tags for Elk deer bear cougar wolf turkey small game and fishing. Going to hang out till November. Unit #6 (cemetery ridge). I will admit the only broadhead I'll be using is a 200 grain eldx Hornady from a 300 Weatherby mag 😅. Last year September 20th (archery) I got winded by monster bull at 7 yards.
Thanks David :)
Nice video man. I like how you put shot placement at no. 1. Another benefit to single bevels is they are significantly sharper than double bevel. Take a 20 degree bevel for example. A single bevel would be 20 degrees total. A double bevel would be 40 degrees total, 20 on each side.
Yep, that's true. And for that reason, a single bevel often gets a lot more edge chatter as well...which is one reason why I prefer a steeper bevel angle.
Another good video. Honorable mention- aim as low you can and still get both lungs. Most misses are high from a stand, compounded by the animal "ducking". Aim for the exit, I couldn't tell you where my pin is on the near side o the animal.
Thanks for sharing that.
John this was an amazing video and a superbly honest review! You covered all the key points as well as all the variables! I’m envious of your friend who shoots heavy arrows and large broadheads but rarely does any arrow kill like a rifle! I’m starting off my season with RAGE crossbow X 125 GR heads. Maybe try some fixed Tooth of the Arrowheads later in the season. I’d love to test the Sevr Robusto and the Schwacker 251 3 “ but maybe next season! Thanks for sharing all your real-world experience! 22:30
Thank you!
John as always a great informative video. Shot placement is the single most important factor. Unfortunately a lot of people who shoot a mechanical do so because they have trouble getting a fixed head to fly so they use a mechanical. This also means they don't have a well tuned set up so they will have worse penetration. I have been bow hunting for over 30 years and have tried lots of heads and have had success with even crappy ones with a well placed shot. In my quiver are both fixed and mechanicals. I feel confident in both and I would choose a mechanical for a far shot mostly.
True. But also works the other way too. Main defense many use for supporting fixed heads, is that they want the reassurance that it will blast through bone, in the chance of a poor shot. In other words, they don't necessarily want to wait for that perfect shot placement.
Thanks for sharing that.
Patients and shot placement. ALWAYS.
It has been demonstrated beyond my satisfaction that we have no REAL control over shot placement.
We have control over accuracy. We have control over which shots we take. And that is where it ends.
The animals get a vote.
I shoot some of the slowest bows imaginable (currently a black locust flatbow) and everybody else in my camp uses fast compound bows. If everything I hear about speed killing was true, I'd never kill anything. But I do.
And while my friends can hit a tennis ball at the same range I can hit a paper plate, when it comes to game; our hits, misses, and shot placement are about the same.
Good video John!
Thank you.
Great video, thanks.
Thank you Drew.
Great stuff!! 👍🏻
Thank you Garrett.
Every broadhead design has trade offs for sure. If you mentioned this sorry I missed it, but another factor is broadhead entry angle. Quartering away shots not only give you a larger kill zone and a greater ability to keep your shot away from heavy bone, when a straight flying arrow enters an animal that is angling away, the exterior cut can be way larger than the broadhead itself and create the possibility for increased blood exiting the animal. Thanks for sharing the info and the Word.
Thanks for sharing that.
Thanks John a topic that needed to be tackle and or discussed!!! Unfortunately there are still hunters out there that only think if you hit the animal it's dead!!!!!! Single bevel as you know has been around for years!!!! I remember using a single bevel broadheads for my traditional years! It seems to me it's just reinvented so to speak but I'm aging myself! Lol
Excellent Video John and as always God bless my friend stay safe!
Thank you Michael. Much appreciated, brother. God bless.
Great video!
Thank you!
Great video
Thank you
Great video and info John, I use 510gn arrow with a fixed blade heads , regardless size the head shot replacement is important and a good weight arrow helps I want my animals dead yes blood trials help
Thanks John.
John. Another great video..,so many good points. I agree 100 percent everyone thinks Single Bevel is the new answer. I think they are looking for an easy fit. While shot location and broadhead capabilities are far more important than the bevel.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I shot a doe last year with a rage 3 blade. The shot hit the top of both lungs, and the blood trail was very small and sporadic. The arrow was stuck in the ground. Complete pass through. The broadhead was in pristine condition. The cut was great on both sides of the animal. When I opened the animal, the chest cavity was completely filled with blood. Luckily she only ran 30 yards. Great broadhead, bad placement.
That's the problem with a high shot. But it will still kill fast.. it's not. Bad shot if she ran 30 yards and died brother!
Look up the vital V..
Yeah, high lung shots can take a while to get the blood pouring out.
Such great insight. A lot of it is cutting through the BS … getting to the reality of it all. You do a great job with that. I hope you Never get sponsored by anyone affiliated with broadheads! Keep it real brother! Truth!
Thank you!
Great video.
Thank you
I'm with you on the marketing hype on broadheads. But if you watch the pros shoot deer with those heads, many times they get weak penetration which means a longer track. They of course can edit that out to make it look like a quick recovery. Also remember that the size of the pipes get smaller as you go from front to back. Choose a more forward shot (not shoulder obviously) and remember that the deer will most likely move and you can't predict the exact movement. Shot placement matters but after the release the deer is a moving target. Love the vids!
Very good. Thank you for watching and sharing that.
Another great video John! Thanks again! What would be your top 3 broadhead choices if you take cost out of the equation?
Thank you. It depends on what I'm hunting, honestly. For a mech it's a Sevr Robusto or Sevr 1.5. For a fixed, it's a Bishop Scientific Method for huge animals and Iron Will Single Bevel or Wide for elk and smaller and also Exodus and Tooth of the Arrow--those are some of my top pics.
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Thanks! Yes, I totally agree with those as excellent choices! What do your hunting arrows weigh in at? I'm been playing around with my setup and have found with my SR6 it seems to really like around 475gr and 635gr arrows.
This right here is the most truth filled hunting utube post I've ever bothered myself with watching. No BS, just fact based thought. Kudo's to you Mr. Lusk! It is rare to find anything hunting related that is fact, logic, or scientific based anymore. Most of the info out there is emotional or marketing driven. Everything now a days seems to be driven by fad or by hunting "celebrity". I find it very sad. For both the game animal and the new hunter who does not not where to turn for honest information. For reference, I've killed 120 whitetail deer (one of which scored 176 3/8 P/Y), 2 black bear, and 11 eastern turkey in 3 States in the USA and Canada since 1990 (all free range, no high fence).
Thank you James! Congrats on all those harvests too!!
I did a double lung heart shot on a buck last season. I was shooting a 590g arrow. The deer jumped, looked back, and starting running sideways expiring within 30 yards. Nowhere in that 30 yards was a drop of blood. Not even at the impact sight.I was using the Annihilator broadheads with a 7/8 cut. The only thing I can assume is that his heart stopped and didn't pump anymore blood. A double lung only, the heart is still pumping. I started shooting single bevel Iron will this year for the sharpness and wider cut.
Thanks for sharing that. It happens more often than people realize. I just shot a moose with an Iron Will Single Bevel--pass thru, double lung, lower section. There was almost zero blood--even on the hide by both holes. I shot it a second time at 70 yds thru the top of the leg with a Sevr 1.5 and it cut into the chest as well--lots of blood from that shot. I'm sure the first shot was lethal, but there wouldn't have been any blood trail. Wider cuts do put the odds more in your favor. I prefer the Iron Will Wide, of all the Iron Wills, for that reason.
Was you using the Iron Will with bleeders? I would assume that the second shot poured out even more with the chest cavity being full from the first shot. I've been archery hunting now for 22 years and have arrowed 50+ Whitetail. I've had some that would not open up for 50 yards and others that painted a trail upon impact. There's so many variables and as you said, shot placement is key. I believe a highly sharpened broadhead in highly valuable. The more you cut, the higher lost of blood. Some dull broadheads will push its way through without cutting its way through. The single most important part of any archery equipment is the broadheads and arrow in my opinion. These are the first and only things that makes contact with the animal. Having a finely tuned bow, lots of target time, and patience is the responsibility of the hunter.
Maybe when I draw an Iowa tag I’ll visit your church while I’m out there, brother. Love the vids. One question for you: Do you think broadhead design has an effect on a deer’s reaction after being shot, as in how hard it runs and how soon it beds?
Thanks Tyler. We'd love to see you. Yes, that is a factor as well. The shorter, more compact heads, or mechs tend to hit very hard, which is great, but they don't tend to "slice" like a smaller cut, cut on contact 2 blade. Where you hit the animal makes an even bigger difference in how they react to that shot.
Thank you for all your great videos and I’m an even bigger fan now knowing you’re a pastor! I’ve always shot grim reapers but I really want to try the sevr.. for whitetail deer if I’m getting pass throughs with the grim reaper whitetail specials which do you recommend from the sevr lineup or would you stick with the GR? Thanks In advance! God Bless!
Thanks JQ. That's encouraging to hear. Been a Pastor more than 36 yrs now :) GRs are great heads. I like them for turkey, but prefer a rear deploying head for whitetails. If you were to try a Sevr, I'd go with the 2.0 or Robusto. The cool thing about Sevrs are you can order just one or two heads...and use my discount code of LUSKFIVE.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I will definitely do that and I appreciate you commenting back! So out of the sevr you would choose the 2.0 over the 1.5?
Love your content, thank you for all the well thought out information.
What would your first choice be for elk? I have shot deer with the exodus, grim reaper expandable, sevr 2.0, and sevr robusto 150. Great heads. I am going to experiment with flight on an iron will single bevel 125 (does its performance warrant price premium?) and grim reaper pro hades 3 blade 125. I also have some 1.5 sevrs.
If given the opportunity to launch an arrow at an elk, what broadhead to go with first??? I agree I want two holes!
I am shooting 75lbs @ about 475 grain arrow 28".
Appreciate your insight!
I'd be totally confident with any of those. But I'd sling the Sevr 1.5 first, especially with your set up. I like that wider cut for better blood. I really like that Iron Wills also, but the diameter is a bit smaller than what I'd like. The Wide is a great choice if it flies well for you--it does for me.
Great video, very informative, I have a question for you. I'm going to switch from the Rage Hypodermic to the Sevr broadheads and I was wondering which you would recommend for Whitetails. I'm trying to choose between the Titanium 2.0 or the Titanium 1.5. I've had a bunch of my Rage break blades and after watching your videos on the Sevr they just seam to be a more durable head.
Thanks Dave. The Sevr is the most durable mech on the market today, by far. The 1.5 is best if you're going after larger animals or have a lighter set up. The 2.0 or Robusto (super durable) is best for deer with a heavier set up. And remember you can use my discount code if you want: LUSKFIVE saves an extra $5 on top of any other online discounts they have.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures what do you consider a heavier set up? Great vids bud! Love what you do.
Great video John! My list would closely resemble yours with 1 minor alteration. I put sharpness/blade retention and durability above cutting diameter (within reason). Simply because if a broadhead breaks or doesn't cut the important stuff once inside then diameter is not important. In my experience a quality steel that has been properly sharpened and stropped will increase a blood trail exponentially.
1) shot placement
2) penetration, 2 holes regardless of angle
3)sharpness/ edge retention
4)durability
5)cutting diameter
Thanks for sharing that.
Any chance for a video on shot placement at different angles?
That's a good idea. I'll give that some thought. I always picture the "boiler room" as a volleyball and I want the arrow to go thru it at the widest points, so I aim for the offset point.
Another thing to consider on rotation is that with a spiral wound channel wouldn't it could more internal bleeding and have a tough time making it's way out?
I'd think a standard double bevel broadhead with a straight channel would make blood take the path if least resistance and get more on the ground.
A spiral would channel definitely would cause more damage. Just not convinced on blood trails. I don't rank it that high though
Well, IF you're getting a pass thru with both, and if both have the same cut size, a spiral wound channel is going to cut more tissue along the way.
Depth of penetration and whether or not you got a pass through, absolutely should come before cut size.
The wider the head is, the more likely it is to result in a superficial cut that bleeds well but doesn't hit anything vital..
Yep, like I say: I want 5 things:
1. Accuracy
2. Penetration--great chance at a pass thru
3. Cut size--largest cut possible while getting that pass thru.
4. Sharpness/edge retention
5. Durability so the head keeps its shape throughout.
I was curious, what's your draw length and what poundage do you shoot sir? Im wanting to try the sevr 1.5 on whitetail but unsure if my 27" DL and 55# would work. Thanks
It varies season to season. But typically 70#, 27” draw and 460 gr arrow. You’d be fine with a 1.5 on whitetail-especially if you have a heavier arrow. Shot placement will be key
Yes totally agree. With all your research now tell us your top 5 broadheads that are 20.00 a head and under. Then for those rich guys give your top 5 over 20.00 a head. I'm shooting the Kudus do you have an opinion? Thanks
Thank you. Man, I've tested hundreds of heads, so it's hard to keep them all in my mind. I post the score sheets at the end of each vid, along with the price per head, so they can all be compared. The best value heads I've seen are the Deepower Fixed blade--the 1 1/8" solid and the new (soon to be released) 1.25" replaceable blade model. For any head under $20, it's the Exodus, Tooth of the Arrow and Magnus Black Hornet for fixed and the Sevrs for mechs.
I just spent a bunch of money getting some 125 oz cut hurricanes so hopefully they make good blood trails 🩸I used a 100 grain mechanical slick trick last year went through both lungs at 86 yards but I didn’t see a drop of blood if I would have missed I would never have found that deer and that’s with a 2” cut I didn’t have to track but if I did it would have been a long day
Also my arrow went though all I actually never found the arrow
Sorry that happened. If you put 2" thru an animal, it will produce the blood that a 2" cut will produce :) I wouldn't blame the broadhead there. At 86 yards, all kinds of things could have happened with the animal moving, or your shot not being where you thought it was. Hurricanes are great heads, but their cutting diameter is still relatively small.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures animal wasn’t moving and it was the only shot I recovered the animal I’m in MT so it’s not hot like other states arrow went all the way through we also have big whitetail in Montana I think the thin cut just got filled with fat and hide
So what are your opinions of using the SEVR Broadheads on large game? the 1.75 version to be exact.
Love it. The 1.5 just got named as the Best Elk Broadhead by Field & Stream, 2023. It all depends on the size of the animal, distance of the shot, and bow/arrow set up.
pretty much is all about shot placement.I am also a firm believer that two holes results in better blood trails
Yes!
Organs are designed to survive. They’re in a gelatinous cavity, designed to flex and move out of the way, and are tougher than most people think. If a broadhead isn’t extremely sharp, an organ can easily resist being sliced, if it’s not hit squarely. I think that may explain some ‘perfect shots’ that got away. Maybe those arrows had some less than razor-sharp heads that threaded the needle between vital organs without causing terminal damage. I’ve shot plenty of squirrels in the vitals with field points that simply would not die, and that’s something as small as a squirrel, so something like a deer or larger would easily survive a shot from a dull head that merely glanced a vital organ.
Yeah, that's a good comment.
What type of BroadHead was that in the beginning that really flat looking solid 2 blade. It looked like that screw in part was welded to the actual triangle part that is the blades?
I'm not sure which one you're referring to. I was holding a one piece 2 blade Bishop Scientific Method early in the video.
I dont even think about the blood trail when I am looking at broad heads. I am thinking about which one is going to be the most accurate, and require the least amount of tuning, and which is going to make the biggest hole, that will cause the animal to expire the fastest
Penetration should also be added to that list.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Lotsa experience here. I have always said, location, location, location. I'm another of the shoulder shooters, actually, wherever the heart is, is where I place my pin. Bone doesn't shake me with my set up. People discount the exit. If you can exit low, blood is influenced by gravity as are all liquids. Lower exit, makes blood escape faster. Another one ? Bone or ribs that are angled, can divert your arrow regardless of your poundage. Just think, a twig can divert your arrow can't it ? Well a rib is more stout than a twig.
Blood trails are all dependent upon the location, and the passing thru. Lethality to vitals is critical and key to recovery. An animal cannot live with no lungs, or with no heart beat. So you gotta be lethal, and why I aim small (heart) and @ worse, get double lung. So much involved with lethality including blade sharpness.
This is a great topic and one that always brings on the best of conversations on arrow weight ,fixed vs mechanical, and penetration and what can enhance each.
Great video with great info John. Thank you.
Great comments Mike. Thank you!
What is your review on the 100 grain Sevr 1.5 blood trail on large African game like Blouwildebeest and the Eland.
I've used them on Zebra and Blesbok only...and they did fantastic on them. If you generate enough momentum, they will do just fine--stronger than many fixed blade heads.
Thank you so much for your info.
My Umarex Airsaber clock 479.2 on the Chrony. I purchased a 100gr Sevr 1.5 for hunting all sizes of game
Bow Hunters!
Start with the basics. Get a quality 2 blade broad head and work on your shot. Good accurate shot placement with a razor sharp two blade will take your game animal with a quickness!
Thanks for sharing. But if I can get a pass thru with a 3 blade or 4 blade, I'd prefer that--why not cut as much tissue as possible while passing through?
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See? This what people who think 🤔 a lot about how to kill quickly and cleanly write ✍️! Me ? I just write worked for me ! Not that multiple blades is bad idea. My last Deer 🦌 was taken with a Muzzy One three blade broad head on crossbow and it worked beautifully as my Deer was recovered only 21 yards away!
I am like your friend. I purposely break the shoulders and drop them in place. I only shoot 920 grains though.
Haha. Nice.
Do you miss high often due to aiming so high?
@@shooter2843 not at all. Here is my heavy arrow rig. Hoyt RX1 Ultra set to 73 lbs w/ 29" draw. I have 3 pin slider with my sliding third pin set at 40 yards. Note the slider is actually set up for my lighter 715 grain arrows, but for my 920 grain arrows I just set my slider at 45 yards. My 20 and 30 pin gaps are dead on, but my 40 yard is now a 35 yard pin. For the last three Whitetail season I have only shot the 920's realizing in the last decade my average shot distance is 26 yards. I do have Mathews V3 set up with 575 grain arrows for western hunting that longer shots are more common.
@@michaelvstheworld3680. I'm not doubting you, just curious about how ya do it. So you intentionally shoot em through the scapulas? Does your recovery change much from shoot'n em in the 10 ring?
@@shooter2843 I aim at the heart, no matter if they are broadside or severely quartering. If their shoulder is in the way it is a plus. To be honest my favorite shot, and I do not think you can kill them any faster, is to put it through their chest. As for the tracking that is easy. They either drop in front of my stand or within sight of it.
I used Severe last year on a Fat western Kansas Big bodied 340lbs after field dressed… Cross bow from Ground at 20 yds pass through hart shot … No blood went 85 yards…. The deer in my area are Heavy big boned extremely Fat … thinking using single edge fixed …? What do you think..?
Wow--that's a big deer! Congrats. There are so many factors that affect blood trails. It's hard for me to comment on your blood trail without examining the animal. Did you get a pass thru? How large was the hole? If you're not getting enough penetration, then switching to a fixed head is a good option--but I'd want a much bigger cut than a 2 blade single bevel would give you, especially using a crossbow. Maybe consider an Exodus, or Tooth of the Arrow XL or Iron Will Wide--they all penetrate extremely well and also have a very large cut size.
All that said, if I were using a crossbow for deer, I would use the Sevr Robusto and get the most out of that 2" wide cut.
Having harvested between 40 and 50 deer with a bow, I don't know everything, however, if you tuck that arrow tight behind the shoulder, being broadside, you should watch it fall
Yep. Thank you
I'm extremely surprised sharpness and how sharp the blade stays wasn't before cut size. I say that because you could have a huge cut size but if the blade becomes dull you arnt cutting tissue reliably.
Yeah, the order of the factors is somewhat difficult to gauge. I said, given that I would get a pass thru, I want to largest cut and widest cut possible. If it's a pretty small hole, it can more easily plug up, even if the blades are sharp.
I think long hunting seasons, and an individual's time to hunt, are overlooked variables. If you know you are going to have many shot opportunities, you can be very selective and take high percentage shots.
Good comment.
Low exit holes equate to good blooded trails..
Yep, that definitely helps many of the times.
I remember the story about the man with the head nailer where i have built and trimmed log cabins my st of my adult life that trippe me out i never accidentally t shot by a head nailer but did with a framing gun with 8's in it
Yikes!
Str8 common sense!!👍
Yep. thank you
Blade sharpness matters a lot on blood and just like a knife you can get them sharper than the factory edge
Yep...that's the theory.
my favorite blood trail is a short blood trail.
Amen.
I would put sharpness at 3 above size and durability
Okay. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Where to you serve?
I put the link to our church website there: www.dsmcc.org. Des Moines Christian Church :)
Any broadhead that is razor sharp, hits through the vitals, and that exits the bottom third will leave a great blood trail. The cheapest broadhead on the market will do the job if one sharpens it and does their part on the shot.
Yeah, largely true. But the cheapest heads don't maximize your chances, as those blades can bend & break. But yes, shot placement reigns supreme.
Cant use a judo point. My friend made that mistake and the arrow bounced off it.
What did he shoot a Judo point with? They're designed for small game.
I'm sorry but I have to differ with super heavy, super penetrating, set ups for deer, and shooting at shoulders. If you put a very wide hole through the LUNGS of a deer, behind its shoulder, it will drop very quickly.If you deflate the LUNGS quickly the animal will die fast, most of the time within sight. I shoot swhackers, they are not tough heads, they will bend blades but they do their intended job very effectively, 1 inch hole entrance but 2 inch hole exit, low on deer from a tree stand, insane blood trails. I used to shoot fixed blades like slick tricks, great head, but the deer will go 80 to 100 yds, not bad, but not good in urban hunting areas. Of course your hunting may differ, but that's why we are blessed with many different heads, God bless America!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. That was not me, but a friend who uses that heavy set up. Works great for him. I prefer a wide cut mech for whitetails as well.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures john your awesome, I watch every video you make and really enjoy them. I know you were talking about your buddy, the trend seems to be very heavy arrow set ups with FOC as the goal, i agree with this to a point, my set up is around 500grs. Anyway thanks for all your work!
Wold not a perforated arrow shaft with opening at the end (just between the vaned and the nock) give the blood a good path to exit for all shots that is not complete pass troughs? So the arrow shaft becomes a draining tube for the blood.
Perforated arrow? It would be weakened. It would whistle. Etc.
Well, perhaps. But that hole would have to be pretty big to make a difference...and that would create other problems.
I think edge sharpness is 2nd I it won't cut doe not matter how wide it is and there not all sharp out of the package
Well, there can be an argument both ways. A small hole, even with super sharp blades, may plug up more readily than a wider hole, even with less sharp blades. But again, I based all that on getting a pass thru with both.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes it can I'd take a scary sharp broadheads that are small over a huge semi sharp 3 inch broadheads keep the content coming I really do enjoy it
What does helical fletch do as far as rotation while cutting? I have a larger expandable that shows good evidence of rotational torque bending the blades as they opened that I shot a nice buck with.
Helical fletching will create more rotation in flight than straight fletching--but straight fletching rotates as well. Upon impact, that rotation stops really quickly, unless the head is single beveled or has offset blades.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures how would I send you pics of this head?
I recall someone saying....Dont shoot for bloodtrails
Okay. And why is that?
@@LuskArcheryAdventures shoot for good, proper shot placement in the vitals. If you do that, the blood trails will be there.
Not only does a duller blade, more jagged cut close up easier because of jagged edge area able to have more surface area to re-adhere to itself, but the increased pain and trauma from a rough cut also induce a response in the animal that releases more blood clotting chemicals to the wound. So the clotting happens much faster after that.
But a super clean cut made by a very sharp blade creates zero to very little pain, and therefore reduces clotting chemical release.
Yep. Thanks for sharing that.
Lot of Dr. Ashby factors seem to be here.
Some yes, some no.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures one thing I have trouble wrapping my head around is why stout designs like QAD, Annihilator, and TOTA penetrate so well. These heads go against mechanical advantage theory by a good margin.
@@ThumbsMcThumb no surprise - a blade with a higher MA has only an advantage for piercing the first layer - once it is totally buried the longer blade is causing actually more friction and the MA doesn't help either. For piercing It's all about the pressure at the tip, the smaller the tip the higher the pressure caused by the same force, the easier to make the first cut. But once all of the profile is in the tissue / meat, the MA doesn't help to make a bigger cut - if the cutting diameter of a blade with e.g. MA 3 and a blade with 1.5 is the same, the longer one will have to overcome more friction.
IMO this is one thing Ashby got wrong - and trying to sell such an "adult" BH with a high MA as a better "plan B" approach in case it is a bad shot and you hit bones is also flawed - of did you ever try to split wood with a ax where the blade shape had a high MA like an "adult" BH?
Shot placement makes blood trails. I personally like broadheads that kill them where they drop in sight, lol
Great...and it takes the right shot placement to do that :)
I want my broadheads so sharp that the deer starts bleeding before it even gets there....
...so sharp that my hands bleed just reaching for the package on the store shelf.
Yeah, sharpness is a big factor--especially edge retention.
Sometimes a 5 is a 12 and a 12 is a 5.
Haha. True that.
can't promote just area cut because people will just go with the mechanical or broadhead with the largest cutting diameter even if they have a light setup with low poundage. They will go with what they wanted to hear that represents the broadhead on their shopping list. Maybe you could do a video on bow poundage and penetration with mechanicals. I know this would deviate from your lab routine, but this needs to be done. Sevr at 20 yards into gel with the heavy and light arrows at 30 40 50 60 70 80 pounds with 28.5 Draw length (yours). Other than shot placement, penetration is the number 2 reason why deer are not getting recovered. Arrows are not available to analyze the shot. So 12 arrows plus 1 for field tip, and probably a slug of gel.
Yeah, that's what I've said. It's a balancing act...I want a pass thru, first & foremost. Then I want to cut as much tissue as possible while I get that pass thru.
Why would blame an Indian.
I can't tell if you're making a joke or not. There is a phrase: "Don't blame the arrow, blame the Indian." That means don't blame the arrow but blame the archer.
rockets bring blood. Period.
Okay. Thanks for sharing.