"This budget friendly AR failed after 20,000 rounds, and it was quickly and easily fixed with a new bolt carrier that cost $134.99." So $10,000 of ammo was shot through it, and the total cost of repairs was $134.99. Garbage? Yeah, right.
Imagine, being you, a casual shooter critiquing a professional trainer. Who shoots more than you by orders of magnitude and owns several Aero rifles. Now imagine, this professional has keyholing problems after 5k rounds. Their bolts are also trash. Cope harder
@@alexglenn2122 1. replying to multiple people with the same comment defending this guys opinion is crazy. 2. Many “professionals” such as ex special operations, competitive shooters, etc have shown over and over that they are pros at shooting but know nothing about the science behind firearms. 3. As OP stated, he spent $10,000 in ammo, probably more considering he probably uses quality ammo, and the only part that failed was the BCG, which is known to be trash. Aero knocked it out of the park for their price point.
@@alexglenn2122 The professional had one small issue, on one rifle, after 20,000 rounds, and suddenly everything Aero makes is considered "garbage". That's not a very "professional" attitude. I would bet most "failures" are caused by improper maintenance and abusing the parts.
So, you run the piss out of the “junk“ guns until they break, but since your “good“ guns “have to work“, you don’t run those at all until you need them? And then you baby them? Yeah, that makes sense.
I think he mentioned that he's just experimenting and wants to see how all of these brands work. I don't know if you need much more reasoning than that.
OK, so you have poor reading comprehension and compensate with arrogance. I get it. So I’ll type this slowly so you can understand: logic would dictate that you would “run the piss” out of the “good guns” because they won’t break (or shouldn’t) and baby the “junk” guns because they cannot take the abuse. If you are running the junk guns until they break and babying the good guns so they work when you need them, then maybe the good guns aren’t as good as you think they are and the junk guns work just fine? If he treated the “junk guns” the way he treats the “good guns”, they will never break, either. Can your walnut sized brain grasp that concept?
Wouldn't say that, it will take much longer if you clean your guns and not let carbon make your BCG brittle, as it becomes hard as a rock and will chip
He broke 4 bolts in 20k... that's horrible. I have psa bolts that have lasted longer than that lol. It's possible there was a quality control issue and he got a bad batch of bolts. That don't seem right
Imagine, being you, a casual shooter critiquing a professional trainer. Who shoots more than you by orders of magnitude and owns several Aero rifles. Now imagine, this professional has keyholing problems after 5k rounds. Their bolts are also trash. Cope harder
I think the problem here is context. Is Aero “just as good” as high end rifles, no. In fact by comparison garbage is not an inappropriate term to use. However, most people will not EVER see the round counts that professional end users see, and for a range gun, which get’s cleaned more than it’s used, it probably will function as intended for most people.
Yeah but they are. The cerrakote on the inside of my upper chipped away in like 300 rounds. My DD upper has several thousand rounds through it and the cerrakote is still intact. I believe Aero used to be really good budget brand but they’re dropped off as of late.
@@aerowrench6787 I have had similar experiences between my DD and the one Aero I have. That being said, when it’s clean and you’re running good ammo it works pretty well as a class-loaner/beater. I would not leave the house with it as a primary, nor is it the one I use for duty/defense. All I was saying is that for the average person as a range toy/hog gun/first foray into AR’s it’s not bad and is not incredibly overpriced for what it is.
The military tries to replace bolts every 6000 rounds but expects them to last around 10,000..3 bolts breaking in 20,000 rounds does not make the entire rifle junk or even bad bolts..Why are Aeros junk and what parts are junk?? What was out of tolerance for you to make this claim?? Bolt over base malfunctions are usually magazine related, extractor issues ( which is an easy fix) or under gassing..Breaking a rifle in does nothing for these problems lol, in fact a good AR rifle needs no breaking in.. All things mechanical needs maintenance and seeing how long a rifle runs without maintenance is like running a vehicle to see how long it will run without changing the oil..Stupid and pointless.. More gun tube bs based on nothing....
Which military? USMC infantry doesn't change anything at anything unless it breaks. And if something breaks, they just give you a different rifle and service the old one whenever possible. You can have a 12 MOA at 100 meters M4 or M16 and it's considered serviceable.
@@namenotfound8747 What the policy is and what the different units actually do are two different things..When Chris Bartocci of (Small Arms Solutions) worked for Colt, he went to Iraq to check out what was causing problems with some of their M4's..What he found shocked him..He found bolt carrier groups and parts that were not mil spec OEM, but were unidentifiable after market crap that was so out of spec, he couldn't even close the actions..They used cheap, out of spec crap that some one decided to save money on..This is why it is important to have the knowledge to check out parts before using..The mil spec (TDP) has tolerances for a reason, like any mechanical device..Brand names don't necessarily mean quality.. Bad parts can also escape the best QC manufacturers have..
@@andoriannationalist3738 the difference in quality from mid tier to high end is minimal while price is exponentially higher. It’s hard to justify buying a DD, BCM, Geissele, etc.. I’m not opposed to those high end companies but I only see it worth it if you have a discount and they’re having a sell. But uppers and lowers and hand guards from those high end companies is never worth the price. Get BCGs and barrels pins, and triggers from them, spending extra on the pins and triggers really makes the feel and quality high end. Aluminum feels like aluminum no matter who made it, just get the right metal type weather you like forged or billet. All the companies low to high have options for all your preference on receivers and hand guards.
@@Dr.Unsteady so you would not say aero is “garbage”? I’d say it’s better than PSA which goes boom every time as well.. and I can’t afford better soo it seems mid tier to us poors
A part breaks one time and people say it’s all garbage, which is ridiculous. Even “high” end companies produce parts that break, it’s just how it works in the real world.
@@cmiddleton9872interesting enough the only part that has failed me has been a Daniel defense the aero outlasted it I guess it goes to show no matter what you go with have spare parts
Ok, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say anything but great things about pretty much anything Aero makes. I’ve used a lot of their products and would easily say they make some of the best products on the market, especially they’re M4E1 recievers
I use Aero Precision build kits and swap the BCGs with Nickel Boron Toolcraft. Never had an issue. The Aero Uppers I have bought come with ballistic advantage barrels. Aero Precision is legit.
I built 2 Aero precision rifles one in 308 and one in 6.5 Grendel, only things not Aero are the barrels and triggers. Everything else has worked perfectly 10,000 rounds later in the 308 and about 2500 in the grendel.
I'm going to trust the professional...your AR10 aero BCG lasting 10k rounds? X to doubt...Not to mention, you spent for 10k rounds of .308 but couldn't be bothered to grab a decent AR10? X to doubt again
And unless if you have a wicked reloading setup, you're not getting far with reloads. Takes me an hour at best to get 50 rounds through. Possibly longer since I'm consistently wasted when handloading.
That round count on those bolts... you realize that's basically the standard lifespan right? They survived as long as most other bolts would. Did you ever even change the gas rings?? Sounds like a quality part to me.
Yeah GT had that AR super geek on when discussing the PSA freedom ar and talked about how even higher end bolts last about 5k rounds. Sounds like the rifle did what it needed to do. And you can find AERO uppers for $300 excluding the bcg and ch. If you don't want an AERO bolt get a different one. 🤷♂️
while this info is informative, the context matters and the frequency and firing schedule matters and the average Aero owner is not shooting a heavy enough firing cycle to to wear guns out like a competition shooter, so while this is good info that gives data on life expectancy of Aero parts it is not indicative of poor quality rather it is intended for a market that is not competitive shooting or extreme firing schedules
Colt military bolts USED to be replaced at 6000 rounds. I have no idea of anything from the GWOT era and beyond as I got out before then. 20,000/3 = of course 6,666 rounds. So, not exactly garbage. It was NOT unusual to sheer bolt lugs WAY before 6000.
GWOT and beyond, they were all over the place honestly. A m16 could have up to 16 MOA at 100m and be deemed “Serviceable” if nothing broke on it. But 6000 rounds sounds about right because a few didn’t even hit 4000-5000 before breaking on one end the bottom 1%,on the top 1% end 25,000- 35,000 needing other parts like barrels before bolts, most bolts lasted at the 8000-12,000 mark. It’s hard to have solid numbers since it’s all an estimates based on total ammo used in a year.
"I shoot stuff till it breaks" Everything will break with time, one thing you fail to mention is how often you cleaned it, how well you cared for it, and the biggest thing you should mention that 20,000 rounds for 3 bolt isnt bad for the normal gun guy thats going to shoot at minimum 1,000 rounds a year. Thats 20 years of the average "i own a gun and shoot" type shooting. $10,000 worth of ammo. Most of these guys that come across this video will be lucky to shoot 5,000 rounds from their rifle in a lifetime. (regular enthusiast)
I' agree with you there, I have used their M4E1 normal receiver sets on several builds & IMO for the money on a standard config rifle are better than any of the other normal receiver sets around. My current rig has a NB A*B arms bolt, DD CHF barrel pushing now 8500 rounds with no issues
SAME I have an Aero M5 upper & lower receivers and built them out with aftermarket parts. Barrel and BCG I went with Wilson Combat and they are amazing.
@@tom690 Colt lost that status about 20 years ago when FN took over their contract. Nowadays FN, Daniel Defense, LMT, LWRC, and a few others have taken Colt's Crown.
Those Aero Precision 16" barrels have a .0785 gpd. That's rather large to start off with. As the barrels gpd erodes. It starts speeding up the system. It starts decreasing the unlock time. And starts causing the bolt to have to pull brass that hasn't fully retracted in the chamber. Causing bolt failure. Things like adding a h2 buffer will help slow the system down. Replacing gas rings at 5k or sooner. Replacing the buffer spring, etc. There is a natural progression of maintenance that has to be done to get longevity out of these things. 3 bolts in 20k doesn't seem that bad though. Especially since you are not doing anything it seems to mitigate the failures. I put 12k on a Colt 6920 bolt. Back when I was taking courses. It didn't fail. Due to the fact I replaced it. I figured 12k was good enough. I had already put a h2 in it at 7-8k. And three sets of gas rings. At 17k I replaced the barrel. It wasn't key holing. But why take a course and your rifle sh*t the bed? When a good maintenance schedule can mitigate a lot.
@@texasRoofDoctorWhat are you looking to do? If you want a good turnkey rifle. A Colt 6920 Trooper is a good starting rifle. And is relatively inexpensive. It's a carbine gas. But they work. Probably 80% of the police run a Colt gun still. BCM is a step up. As is Sionics weapons systems. If you are building a rifle. The barrel is the starting point. Ballistic Advantage is owned by Aero Precision. But BA gasses their barrels different than the ones they make for Aero. They seem to be decent. Rosco gasses their stuff right. A mid gas 16" inch with a .076 gas port diameter runs well with a Sprinco blue spring and H buffer. When you could get those AO Precision military overruns on BCG's they were a steal. I tend to not stray to far from the TDP specs on things. The array of stuff for AR15's is vast.
@El_Peto Maybe nothing. They could have it done for them. Broadsword recievers and L89 rails is their design. Colt has a few barrel manufacturers. Wilson Armament and Rosco make barrels for them. If they aren't making them in house. Same with BCG's Microbest and AO Precision are .mil and .gov suppliers. Capco, Remington and a few others make M4 barrels for the M4. And I'm sure FN is contracting to the same firms. Because the .mil doesnt use cold hammer forging. You'd probably be shocked at the amount of stuff insert your favorite gun company here ---> ______, doesn't make. Aero makes their own uppers and lowers. Uppers are junk. No thermal fit. No dry film lubricant. That M4E1 stuff looks like billet garbage. There's been a lot of references to the fact that BA/Aero barrels sh*t the bed fast. Tells me whomever is doing the QPQ work isn't doing a good job. And most of their BCG's are Toolcraft. Look up cage code 1b1b6. A 750k contract that Toolcraft had during the GWOT. All recalled. PSA, BCA and the like all use the same crap.
The Aeros ran good for what they are, and their price point is. Maybe a higher end barrel would last 20,000+ rounds but thats not always the case either. It really depends what rounds you are using as well as your firing schedule.
@@justinp1471yeah from my understanding rate of fire is essential to a barrels life. I think I read somewhere the army said 2-3 rounds per minute was the sustained rate of fire for the ar platform
@@mellifont96That’s referring to sustained fire or really heat. That is the rate of fire that you can expect to sustain without the rifle shutting down due to heat via cook off, gas tube issues, barrel deformation… And that is specific to barrel profile and other specifics of the barrel I think that number was for A4 or maybe M4 I’m not certain.
@@mellifont962 to 3 rounds per minute is what you can shoot for as long as you want more or less and not have to worry about it failing? Is that what you mean?
I don't have experience with a full built Aero but I like their M4E1 receiver sets and I've used their BCGs with success. However, I only run their M16 BCG's, phosphate coated (No Logo) with their C158 bolts. Current bcg has over 3000 rds, all suppressed shooting and been through numerous classes. Its holding up just fine. Curious though, you never mentioned if your BCG's had a C158 bolt or 9310. Current bcg in your rifle looks to be a nitride variation.
@@ib5131never go anything Diamondback or bear river arsenal. Worst products I've ever seen. Palmetto State is miles better, and I think Aero is a bit better than PSA.
Aero has a few things right. Idk about their complete rifles but… -Enhanced upper/handguard combo is absolutely superior to most because it’s “monolithic” compared to standard barrel nut mounted handguards. No rotation… total retention of laser/front sight zero. - Lower/upper specs are real tight. No play/wiggle. - Enhanced buffer tube is essential if you’re running a piston system.
@@CivilianOperators yup. It's not an experience it's science. There is no mlock rail as rigid as a name brand quad rail. It saves weight....which reduces rigidness. There is always a compromise
You put how many rounds through them? You don't even know how many. You don't clean guns they get extremely dirty. Gucci guns fail if you don't clean them either.
Wouldnt consider 7k rounds on a $110 bcg bad. In fact i think aero should be the go to starter rifle for most people. I don't think there is a better brand in their price range.
All things break over time, especially if you don’t properly take care of them & clean them. BCGs should be replaced about every 10k rounds. Yea, some can last longer, but I care about staying in the reliable range window. Also, you get what you pay for generally in the gun industry. I personally love Aero because of the building aspect & that’s key because I choose higher end barrels & buy the more expensive BCGs from other companies to use in my builds. Aero isn’t bad or junk & is fine for defense purposes. I do own a complete upper from them (BCG & barrel from Aero) that I use for training classes specifically & hard range use. I’ve shot over 4,000 rounds on it so far & it’s been working great actually. No issues. I own higher end rifles, but honestly I’d recommend Aero to anyone for a good rifle for the money.
Okay guy just so you know, in the Army(infantry here) the actual real world of hard use on the M4/M16 platform which we shoot a hell of a lot. Our barrels and bolts…get switched out at 7500 rounds. (That’s the standard across the Army) I use and prefer Aero precision products because I know I can trust what they put out. They use ballistic advantage barrels as well. They’re legit. Just because you’re a competitive shooter with some awards, doesn’t mean your opinion is right. As a matter of fact I’ve seen Colt and FN barrels and bolts fail well before the 7500 round mark, so for you to sit there and say that Aero is trash because it failed after you put as many rounds through as you did, is just unfathomable. I’ll go ahead and take your opinion with a grain of salt
Ya know what…you’re right. So sorry I even said anything. I’ve got no experience and have no idea what I’m talking about because I’m NG and not active. My apologies sir. 🫡
I've had top of the line BCGs fail before so it happens. But if it happened to Daniel Defense or KAC their customer service would just get a lot of praise
Whoever says aero precision is not good does not know anything about good quality firearms or the industry!. That is a very misinformed individual but chances are they're absolutely lies and tactical elitist. Who try to make people feel like if they don't overpay on guns thousands of dollars like they do that they are idiots for buying those budget crap guns!. Some people are insanely idiotic. Aero precision is one of the best manufacturers in the industry. Not only do they make well over 95% of their part if not a hundred per-cent of their parts they're uppers and lowers are forged 7075 t6 aluminum which is the top standard of strength in the industry. And I'm pretty sure it's a hundred percent but I'm going to give that few percent just in case. Ballistic advantage is a company they own with barrels produced in house guaranteed sub MOA accuracy with match-grade ammo. And furthermore in the beginning AR-15 getting extremely popular they were the ones producing more than half of all of the AR-15 uppers and lowers coming out of any company the high-end ones included. And they have some of the most high tech up-to-date machinery possible for building them. And they also have some of the tightest tolerance is in the industry!. So just because they are literally half the price of a Gucci AR because aero does everything in-house how does that make them bad in anyway??
Aero precision is far from garbage I have used their receivers exclusively and the quality fit and finish is better than even some BCM I’ve used. Their bolt carrier groups have given me no issues, and their barrels have been extremely accurate as well. I can’t stand it when someone receives one bad part and automatically the company is garbage that’s how you can tell you’re not a serious builder or enthusiast , that, and the hair, of course
Well ppl are stupid...look up chris at small arms solutions.....mill spec bolts commonly break at around 6k rounds...per the destructive testing performed by colt and the government...if you shoot hard enough...like Ben does.. you will break things....that why for years all the old school military guys would carry spare bolts in there pistol grips...
Is Aero really “bad” if you’re beating the absolute crap out it though? I mean I get it isn’t top of the line stuff, but a quick scrub down and a bit of lubricant could potentially extend the life much longer. I feel like it’s misleading to say it’s bad if it made it through a few thousand rounds without any real care/maintenance. I will say though, I’m glad you’re doing this as I’ve been looking at Aero stuff albeit I’ll be at a much much lower round count.
Yes it's bad. Lubing a bolt doesn't change the fact that the tolerances on their BCGs fucking suck and contribute to the bolt breaking very quickly. Microbest BCGs are the best on the market (they OEM for BCM, SOLGW, Sionics and many other high end companies) and sell for as low as 90 dollars. There is 0 reason to buy an aero BCG or bolts.
I had one keyhole at almost 18k. I'm not saying they are the best. But they did just come out with a CH Forged barrel line and new BCGs. You have to weight the price and what you need out of eveything. you can get an Aero (Balistic advantage) barrel for under $100 on sale. I picked one up for like $79.99 once. If you consider you can buy almost 4 barrels for the price of a DD, Geissle, etc etc. Then it isn't bad. Meaning if you got 10k out of a barrel you could get 30-40k out of those barrels compared to the 25-30k of the other barrels. I love the Aero lowers and a DD upper or Geissle upper. But I've been getting DDs and Geissle Super duties for 1500 so
DD’s lowers are the biggest rip offs. You are basically paying 700-800 dollars for a basic milspec non ambi lower. Totally a waste of $. Best is to buy a DD or super duty upper and then decide if u want a basic aero lower or if u want a more expensive lower.
So they came from the factory properly gassed . They nice to brass? Cause my m5 didn't run for shit till I rebuilt it......(don't know who built it first or what they did....)
The pricepoint that aero has isn't terrible. It's a great entry level rifle. I believe the barrels are ballistic advantage, which aren't great if you are looking for awesome accuracy. Also the bolts aren't great. I think they rock the old specification bolt material. Since the majority of the receivers etc are all the same stuff, with variances in qc along the way. I personally used to only buy noveske and higher end rifles and components. Then I learned more about how they are made. Now I don't care who makes the receivers (aero for the most part), drop in a BCM bolt and a criterion barrel, with maybe a BCM or Geissele or whichever crap is available. 5 years ago it was simple, buy bcm lower on sale for 300, and buy a separate bcm upper on sale for 300... or LMT same way. With the cost of these and other things skyrocketing I can totally see how people don't want to spend 3k on a KAC SR25.... Why do the DD, Noveske etc bolts last 20k? Because they are made with considerably more expensive material. Carpenter 158 steel is what M4 and M16 bolts are made out of, and it costs a lot more. It's a proprietary steel alloy that is only sourced from one place and has to be purchased in huge batches to be cost effective, it's also relatively limited in supply since it's the go to alloy for the M4/M16 contracts. Toolcraft 9310, us also used in bolts/ bolt carriers. In the end, I look at it like this. As a Former Marine and current Field Service Engineer, I regard bolts as a consumable item that if I get 5k out of I am happy. The "break in" with some ar's is because the buffer spring takes a certain number of rounds before it takes a set unless it's chrome silicon. Don't believe me, take a new buffer spring, measure it. Shoot it and measure every 100 rounds for the first 500, it loses spring rate till it settles in. Not that you should have to break in any firearm for it to work imo, just kinda how things work with less expensive parts/ fitting.
Buying guns for training would mean you want something durable but able to be cheaply maintained. As far as I can tell Aero seems to fit that bill. 6,500 rounds sounds reasonable for a bolt given what’s happening in the chamber. If you want something with higher durability for training with high round counts you should do some research and resign yourself to the fact that you’ll have to invest more up front than you put into those Aeros you have. For most of us having a rifle that’s reliable with nominally affordable ammo is more important than knowing we can blast 6500 rounds (that most us can’t afford) through it.
I would absolutely argue a aero rifle is more than capable as a SHTF rifle, definitely for home defense stuff and of course a range toy. Aero builds very good quality shit. You don’t need a $7k KAC rifle for a SHTF quality build.
Aero is a good gun for most people not operators competition shooters or someone who shoots a shit ton. If you have a gun just for self defense and a little practice your aero will be fine. They make good aurpressors as well. If you plan on going to war spend more than 1800 on a rifle and more like 2-2500. Also people riding Daniel Defense leg like a dog in heat. DD is a good gun but not great. I prefer bcm or lwrc or noveske but if you are just having fun most guns will work for you
The only things that matter is the chamber dimension, barrel harmonics and how far the bullet likes to jump into the rifling. The brands don’t matter. The dimensions do.
No kidding, my roomate brought a BCM blem upper for the clout and the bit where the gas tube goes into is so large the gas tube rattles inside of it lmao.
AeroPrecision is the manufacturer for Taran Tactical. I don’t hear people saying they’re garbage, maybe overpriced but not garbage. This weird cost=quality is such a childish thinking process.
@@TheSRMprojectSOLGW gets the same parts but ensures those parts are to spec more than other mass produce companies. Get over yourself. One part they also use is a chrome lined barrel. Instead of the ballistic advantage bs that aero uses which they don't make smart guy. All companies get the receiver from a couple ppl then mill out certain areas and drill holes that's it.
It looked like a failure at the cam pin journal. It's pretty common for a bolt to fail there. I've never seen one personally in my guns or in my duty guns, but I do know it happens. A lot of the more consumer grade use 9130 steel instead of C158. The c158 is usually more resistant to breakage... usually. Take that for what is worth.
@@skyofstorms And proper heat treat is even more critical for Carpenter 158 and more difficult to than it is for 9130. So the whole 9310 vs c158 is just dumb at this point.
How much Aero counts as Aero? I use six of their uppers and hand guards but, that’s it…the rest is handpicked quality stuff. Am I using an Aero still or what does that count as? Do I go by barrel maker or who made the BCG or what?
You’re using what most AR guys are using, a Frankenstein lol. All my ARs are curated by me. I like Aero receivers, with Geissele lower parts kits, BCM bolt carrier groups, and then the barrel and buffers depend on what kind of rifle setup I’m going for. Don’t get too hung up on what these AR snobs tell you is nice and what’s garbage. You gotta do your research and find out for yourself. I like Aeros receivers and certainly don’t consider them “garbage”.
Have an aero m4e1 w Geissele complete uppers/trigger and the aero has ran flawlessly im 2 classes and 7000 rounds through and countless more range bs trips It’s going damn strong I’m pleased with aero lower
Welp...truth be told. Go fire ANY AR15 for 10k-20k rounds and if you get an FTF/FTE, broken pin, bolt or even if the gas tube loosens..."its junkl"..lol. Couldn't help notice...but do you have a video of an AR that goes 20k rounds without any malfunctions or breaks?
I really like your video your thought process. I agree with your logic. I'm a Daniel Defense fan boy, and don't use Aero Precision bolts . I love Aero lowers and have not had any issues. Their LPKs and BCG's have me hesitant but any brand can fail after enough rounds, even DD. How was the customer service or support? I'm curious to know how Aero handled it?
10k rounds through mine without a single issue. Many full training sessions with 500 plus rounds. Idk what this dude is talking about. My BCM is great..but so is my Aero..and for that matter so is my brothers PSA. Dont let these dudes push this brand marketing BS.
Aero really isn't that bad, but for a high round count shooter like you there are 2 things that need to be changed or address if you want to keep the gun. 1 the bolt carrier group go for a 158 carpenter steel bolt from BCM or Sons of Liberty. 2 barrel go for a cold hammer forged barrel like a Criterion, Hodge or Centurion. Just saying if you were to replace or continue using that particular gun. Just my .2.
FYI the Aero bolt is also made from 158 carpenter steel. I've had one personally break at the cam pin hole. I'm not sure what they're doing wrong but they're using the same steel as the premium manufacturers. When I emailed customer service they didn't take responsibility for it but replaced it with a new one (after many weeks of waiting).
I like their receivers but their customer service is horrible. I ordered a lower gave no confirmation email or tracking. Called 3 days in a row on hold for 30 mins to hour with no one ever picking up. Sent a "request " whatever tf that is as well with no response either. If I order aero again will be from a second party like midway usa
I totally agree. Back in 2018 I bought the cheapest AR I could find, a Del-Ton DTI-15, as a practice gun and to hone my gunsmithing skills (if I break it, then its not a big loss). Over the last 6 years I've watched a ton of SOTAR videos, purchased gunsmithing tools, and completely disassembled and re-assembled that rifle, multiple times. Today, I know that gun inside-&-out, and is my most trusted and proved gun in my humble collection.
I think something important to note is that Aero’s BCG’s are not great. But their receivers and handguards are. You can build excellent guns using their receivers with high end internals.
Aero is fine as a standard or mid-tier rifle. If you're a builder, you can't beat an Aero M4E1 lower with an Aero mil spec or enhanced upper. Put a good buffer system, trigger, barrel, and BCG in it and you've got a top-tier shooter.
I have an aero upper that seems to be imparting (very) slightly uneven wear on a bcg. That said, I use their receiver sets and then put the parts i want on them. Never any problem with lowers, may consider a higher tier upper due to the more function critical spec
I had a very disappointing experience with Aero Precision. I purchased a lower and upper receiver, and while the upper receiver arrived within a week, the lower receiver has still not been delivered after three months. I have spent countless hours trying to get an estimated delivery date, but the company has been unable to provide any clear information. This lack of communication and reliability is unacceptable. Based on this experience, I will not be making any future purchases from Aero Precision.
I dunno. I use aero stripped lowers and uppers and put in my own parts. Does a forged lower or upper break? I do have a couple aero bolts, no issues yet. I believe most Aero complete upper barrels are Ballistics Advantage. Aero doesn't make barrels...that i know of.
Beyond properly staking, shot peening, mpi testing, and pressure testing arent all bcg basically the same in lifespan? Like between 100 to 200 to get a bcg with all that minus some super fancy coating.
I've seen Colt, Knights and FN m4's and m16's break from everything from the bolt/bcg, gas tube/gas block, buffer tube and barrels. If you treat a firearm poorly then it is bound to break no matter who the manufacturer is. I've got a 16" aero and a 16" palmetto with 5000 rounds down each barrel over a 5 year period and each rifle still shoots well enough to trust me life on it.
I get that youre an experienced shooter, but where are you at on gunsmithing knowledge? Aerp precision products are definitely not "garbage." The fact that you have had operating group issues with their parts could be indicitive of error in the assembly process, such as not verifying acceptable headspace, using aftermarket parts like cam pins the are a poor fit to the bolt, or similar errors. Ive seen complete Aero guns make it much more than 20,000rds and be find aside from needing spring replacements or maybe barrel swaps, but this is typical for non-hammer forged barrels.
It's amazing how many come out of the woodwork to.defend their purchase decision, and most didn't even listen because they keep referencing one Aero bolt went 20K rounds when that's not what Ben said. Ben said 3 or 4 broke within 20K collectively, and one barrel began keyholing at 5K.
Local gun store sold me aero components to put together an A.R. 15. My first AR build. The BCG would stick about 2/3 of the way in, but they assured me that it would break in and be just fine. Well, it didn’t. Their policies do not accept returns or exchanges. They replaced my entire upper free of charge with a different manufacturer.
Your upper got crushed somewhere along the line..It is common for uppers to be tight around the ejection port area because someone over clamped, twisted or use it incorrectly..
I’ve never had an issue with my aero lower, she is about 6 years old but also never had over 5k rounds through it. I built my AR and it’s by far the cheapest component of the weapon system. Literally cheaper than my irons, and even butt stock. She has been fine but the more I learn the more I kind of feel like a good 120 investment in an LMT lower it’s probably worth the squeeze.
7 k on a bolt with not cleaning it that good and not replacing the gas rings or cam pin or ejector before it breaks sounds fine and normal to me. My experience 90% of them are all the same and wear out. Typically the extractor or rings or cam pin goes first though.
Here is an idea.. build you an Aero with a high end bolt carrier like I did.. ... if my bolts kept breaking every 5000 rounds I wouldn't be on my fourth one. I call BS.
Ive been looking at buying an Aero AR. A local guy builds them to personal specs for right around $1000-$1500. If its garbage, should i just get a PSA AR? I dont plan on shooting it regularly. I just want an AR to train with and have fun with.
The biggest benefit to doing it the way you have is the price of them allows for multiples so once gun gets too hot just grab another and keep training.
There’s a lot of doofuses in this comment section that don’t understand there’s only 3 manufacturers out there actually *MAKING* BCGs. AO being one of them.
Colt fn and lmt bolts break fairly regularly in military service their expected lifespan is 6k rounds before they are expected to break so 20k rounds is beyond expectations for any mil spec bolt
I never had problems with their lowers for ar15s... but the m5(308) didnt run too well eith aero parts.....after I swapped the guts and gasblock with jp enterprises it runs like a top.. sub moa with federal ...so I don't mind their receivers.....but I don't waste time with their parts kits
Same thing here….. I went with Krieger they headspace a JP bolt with there barrels. But as I saved money I ended up with a complete JP BCG and silent capture buffer system. At the end of the day my build is a mutt. But a mutt that’s capable of consistently slapping down dime size 5 shot groups at 100 yards with little effort. Idk understand why Aero is getting all this hate lately. Aero has always been a builders company.
If the aero m5 308 isn’t garbage why don’t the sell completes? Because the mystery manufacturer bolt and carrier are garbage. How come you can’t get just the bolt or an extractor or firing pin for it? Until these questions are answered, I doubt the entire company..
I'm pretty picky and I've been super happy with the Aero Precision items I've purchased. I just finished building a PCC using an Aero Precision upper, lower and handguard and I've been super happy with all of these parts. I like the Aero Precision Atlas R-One handguard as good as any other handguard I've ever used. Fit, finish and function is excellent on all of these parts. Having said that, I have not used an Aero Precision bolt on anything.
Their complete lowers are awesome. However, I only buy complete BCM uppers. The upper is the past that actually needs to be reliable and needs to be head spaced correctly so it doesn’t blow up in your face.
Could be the build, but my fav rifle usually ends up being the all Aero upper & lower. Only non aero component is the bolt along with non aero BS like grip & charging handle. For the price I think it’s right there with BCM and stag
I have just over 7500 rounds through a full auto 7.5 inch Aero 5.56 I built (yes, I'm an SOT). It tears through gas rings but so far no BCG or bolt breakage or any issues for that matter. That's using 90% Wolf and Tula ammo also. I've rebuilt the bolt a couple of times with new exterior, springs, pins and firing pin and that's it. Couldn't tell you about the accuracy as this has always been an obnoxious shits and giggles gun.
"This budget friendly AR failed after 20,000 rounds, and it was quickly and easily fixed with a new bolt carrier that cost $134.99." So $10,000 of ammo was shot through it, and the total cost of repairs was $134.99. Garbage? Yeah, right.
Imagine, being you, a casual shooter critiquing a professional trainer. Who shoots more than you by orders of magnitude and owns several Aero rifles. Now imagine, this professional has keyholing problems after 5k rounds. Their bolts are also trash. Cope harder
@@alexglenn2122 1. replying to multiple people with the same comment defending this guys opinion is crazy. 2. Many “professionals” such as ex special operations, competitive shooters, etc have shown over and over that they are pros at shooting but know nothing about the science behind firearms. 3. As OP stated, he spent $10,000 in ammo, probably more considering he probably uses quality ammo, and the only part that failed was the BCG, which is known to be trash. Aero knocked it out of the park for their price point.
@@alexglenn2122 The professional had one small issue, on one rifle, after 20,000 rounds, and suddenly everything Aero makes is considered "garbage". That's not a very "professional" attitude. I would bet most "failures" are caused by improper maintenance and abusing the parts.
@@alexglenn2122oh you’re melting fast
FACTS.
Returned his brake pads after they wore out because they were junk.
lol, because they had lifetime warranty!
So, you run the piss out of the “junk“ guns until they break, but since your “good“ guns “have to work“, you don’t run those at all until you need them? And then you baby them? Yeah, that makes sense.
I think he mentioned that he's just experimenting and wants to see how all of these brands work. I don't know if you need much more reasoning than that.
OK, so you have poor reading comprehension and compensate with arrogance. I get it.
So I’ll type this slowly so you can understand: logic would dictate that you would “run the piss” out of the “good guns” because they won’t break (or shouldn’t) and baby the “junk” guns because they cannot take the abuse. If you are running the junk guns until they break and babying the good guns so they work when you need them, then maybe the good guns aren’t as good as you think they are and the junk guns work just fine? If he treated the “junk guns” the way he treats the “good guns”, they will never break, either.
Can your walnut sized brain grasp that concept?
@@cyruswawad if he's running the guns like the OP stated, he's not actually conducting level non-biased experiments.
Lol he doesn’t put mileage on his bike either 😂
This guy is a clown
20,000 rounds to break a bolt. I'd say that's beyond it's service life. I'd say that's pretty good
He said he broke 3 bolts in that time
@cmiddleton9872 which is still a good amount.
@lordwest07 No, no it's not. Quality bolts are known to last 20K or more.
Wouldn't say that, it will take much longer if you clean your guns and not let carbon make your BCG brittle, as it becomes hard as a rock and will chip
He broke 4 bolts in 20k... that's horrible. I have psa bolts that have lasted longer than that lol. It's possible there was a quality control issue and he got a bad batch of bolts. That don't seem right
He is probably the kind of guy who eats his whole happy meal and then ask for a refund because it didn't taste good.... lol
LOL !!!!!
He works for the competition LOL
This dude is a pro competitor he probably put more rounds through his rifles than you can afford on a yrly salary
@@rodiculous9464 shut it. Unless this guy is shooting 250-300K rounds a year 😂🤣😂.. you simp
Imagine, being you, a casual shooter critiquing a professional trainer. Who shoots more than you by orders of magnitude and owns several Aero rifles. Now imagine, this professional has keyholing problems after 5k rounds. Their bolts are also trash. Cope harder
Aero is definitely not garbage.
Cope harder
Certified fresh copium™
I think the problem here is context. Is Aero “just as good” as high end rifles, no. In fact by comparison garbage is not an inappropriate term to use.
However, most people will not EVER see the round counts that professional end users see, and for a range gun, which get’s cleaned more than it’s used, it probably will function as intended for most people.
Yeah but they are. The cerrakote on the inside of my upper chipped away in like 300 rounds.
My DD upper has several thousand rounds through it and the cerrakote is still intact.
I believe Aero used to be really good budget brand but they’re dropped off as of late.
@@aerowrench6787 I have had similar experiences between my DD and the one Aero I have. That being said, when it’s clean and you’re running good ammo it works pretty well as a class-loaner/beater.
I would not leave the house with it as a primary, nor is it the one I use for duty/defense.
All I was saying is that for the average person as a range toy/hog gun/first foray into AR’s it’s not bad and is not incredibly overpriced for what it is.
The military tries to replace bolts every 6000 rounds but expects them to last around 10,000..3 bolts breaking in 20,000 rounds does not make the entire rifle junk or even bad bolts..Why are Aeros junk and what parts are junk?? What was out of tolerance for you to make this claim?? Bolt over base malfunctions are usually magazine related, extractor issues ( which is an easy fix) or under gassing..Breaking a rifle in does nothing for these problems lol, in fact a good AR rifle needs no breaking in.. All things mechanical needs maintenance and seeing how long a rifle runs without maintenance is like running a vehicle to see how long it will run without changing the oil..Stupid and pointless.. More gun tube bs based on nothing....
Found a poor aero customer
Which military? USMC infantry doesn't change anything at anything unless it breaks. And if something breaks, they just give you a different rifle and service the old one whenever possible. You can have a 12 MOA at 100 meters M4 or M16 and it's considered serviceable.
@@namenotfound8747 What the policy is and what the different units actually do are two different things..When Chris Bartocci of (Small Arms Solutions) worked for Colt, he went to Iraq to check out what was causing problems with some of their M4's..What he found shocked him..He found bolt carrier groups and parts that were not mil spec OEM, but were unidentifiable after market crap that was so out of spec, he couldn't even close the actions..They used cheap, out of spec crap that some one decided to save money on..This is why it is important to have the knowledge to check out parts before using..The mil spec (TDP) has tolerances for a reason, like any mechanical device..Brand names don't necessarily mean quality.. Bad parts can also escape the best QC manufacturers have..
@@namenotfound8747lol the marine core is always fucking broke
Spot on
Aero is FAR FROM GARBAGE
Found one more broke aero owner.
Those round counts for parts and barrels aren’t bad for what’s considered a budget or reasonably priced rifle.
I’d say AERO is mid tier. PSA= Budget. DD= High end, but this is the scale that makes sense to my very limited knowledge base on the subject.
@@andoriannationalist3738 the difference in quality from mid tier to high end is minimal while price is exponentially higher. It’s hard to justify buying a DD, BCM, Geissele, etc.. I’m not opposed to those high end companies but I only see it worth it if you have a discount and they’re having a sell. But uppers and lowers and hand guards from those high end companies is never worth the price. Get BCGs and barrels pins, and triggers from them, spending extra on the pins and triggers really makes the feel and quality high end. Aluminum feels like aluminum no matter who made it, just get the right metal type weather you like forged or billet. All the companies low to high have options for all your preference on receivers and hand guards.
@@Dr.Unsteady so you would not say aero is “garbage”? I’d say it’s better than PSA which goes boom every time as well.. and I can’t afford better soo it seems mid tier to us poors
@@Dr.Unsteady Anyone remember Bendy Bill and his terrible quality Anodizing? Lmao
@@andoriannationalist3738DD is budget, mid tier at best. DDM4 is less than the cost of a decent civ laser.
A part breaks one time and people say it’s all garbage, which is ridiculous. Even “high” end companies produce parts that break, it’s just how it works in the real world.
Aero bolts break earlier more consistently and they use cheap barrels. All parts break, aeros break faster.
@@cmiddleton9872interesting enough the only part that has failed me has been a Daniel defense the aero outlasted it I guess it goes to show no matter what you go with have spare parts
Facts.
Aero bolts are known trash
Ok, I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say anything but great things about pretty much anything Aero makes. I’ve used a lot of their products and would easily say they make some of the best products on the market, especially they’re M4E1 recievers
This is a joke right?
@@03Scumbag definitely not
It’s like when people are anti Glock. They only know what they heard from some random UA-camr.
I've had problems before, my gas block wasn't installed correctly on my complete upper from them.
@@03Scumbagwhat is wrong with their m4 lower?
I use Aero Precision build kits and swap the BCGs with Nickel Boron Toolcraft. Never had an issue. The Aero Uppers I have bought come with ballistic advantage barrels. Aero Precision is legit.
I built 2 Aero precision rifles one in 308 and one in 6.5 Grendel, only things not Aero are the barrels and triggers. Everything else has worked perfectly 10,000 rounds later in the 308 and about 2500 in the grendel.
I'm going to trust the professional...your AR10 aero BCG lasting 10k rounds? X to doubt...Not to mention, you spent for 10k rounds of .308 but couldn't be bothered to grab a decent AR10? X to doubt again
@@alexglenn2122bro settle down 😂 you’re way to upset by people having opinions different from this guys
@@alexglenn2122triggered much? 😂😂😂
@@alexglenn2122lol bro you said what I was thinking.
No you didn’t shoot 10k rounds of 308. You’ve never seen 10k.
Most civilians don't have the time and money to put 20,000 rounds down range in a year. That's over $10,000 worth of ammo unless if you do reloads.
And unless if you have a wicked reloading setup, you're not getting far with reloads. Takes me an hour at best to get 50 rounds through. Possibly longer since I'm consistently wasted when handloading.
@@CantoniaCustomsbased
That round count on those bolts... you realize that's basically the standard lifespan right? They survived as long as most other bolts would. Did you ever even change the gas rings?? Sounds like a quality part to me.
Yeah GT had that AR super geek on when discussing the PSA freedom ar and talked about how even higher end bolts last about 5k rounds. Sounds like the rifle did what it needed to do. And you can find AERO uppers for $300 excluding the bcg and ch. If you don't want an AERO bolt get a different one. 🤷♂️
while this info is informative, the context matters and the frequency and firing schedule matters and the average Aero owner is not shooting a heavy enough firing cycle to to wear guns out like a competition shooter, so while this is good info that gives data on life expectancy of Aero parts it is not indicative of poor quality rather it is intended for a market that is not competitive shooting or extreme firing schedules
Colt military bolts USED to be replaced at 6000 rounds. I have no idea of anything from the GWOT era and beyond as I got out before then. 20,000/3 = of course 6,666 rounds. So, not exactly garbage. It was NOT unusual to sheer bolt lugs WAY before 6000.
GWOT and beyond, they were all over the place honestly. A m16 could have up to 16 MOA at 100m and be deemed “Serviceable” if nothing broke on it. But 6000 rounds sounds about right because a few didn’t even hit 4000-5000 before breaking on one end the bottom 1%,on the top 1% end 25,000- 35,000 needing other parts like barrels before bolts, most bolts lasted at the 8000-12,000 mark. It’s hard to have solid numbers since it’s all an estimates based on total ammo used in a year.
"I shoot stuff till it breaks"
Everything will break with time, one thing you fail to mention is how often you cleaned it, how well you cared for it, and the biggest thing you should mention that 20,000 rounds for 3 bolt isnt bad for the normal gun guy thats going to shoot at minimum 1,000 rounds a year. Thats 20 years of the average "i own a gun and shoot" type shooting. $10,000 worth of ammo. Most of these guys that come across this video will be lucky to shoot 5,000 rounds from their rifle in a lifetime. (regular enthusiast)
Homie put 20k rounds through it 😂
You don't know how to listen...
@@rustyshackleford8473I listened. 20k rounds you will indeed be replacing parts multiple times.
@@thesig301 You listened to the "20k rounds" part...but nothing else. It wasn't "it", it was "them".
@@kwb377 what we using pronouns now?
@@thesig301Found another aero broke boy.
Aero upper and lower receivers are great quality and value. I almost always go with other brands for the barrels and bcgs I put in them though.
I' agree with you there, I have used their M4E1 normal receiver sets on several builds & IMO for the money on a standard config rifle are better than any of the other normal receiver sets around. My current rig has a NB A*B arms bolt, DD CHF barrel pushing now 8500 rounds with no issues
SAME
I have an Aero M5 upper & lower receivers and built them out with aftermarket parts. Barrel and BCG I went with Wilson Combat and they are amazing.
Why cheaper
BA makes their barrels and BA makes good barrels
So the two most important things get changed?
Poor maintenance=poor performance. This test sounds about as fair and comprehensive as lucas bodkins test 🙄
People who say aero is trash are the same ones who think you’re a primate for not carrying a sig.
You are still a primate if you carry a sig or not.
Or think that colt is still the epitome of quality for ARs
@@tom690 Colt lost that status about 20 years ago when FN took over their contract. Nowadays FN, Daniel Defense, LMT, LWRC, and a few others have taken Colt's Crown.
Those Aero Precision 16" barrels have a .0785 gpd. That's rather large to start off with. As the barrels gpd erodes. It starts speeding up the system. It starts decreasing the unlock time. And starts causing the bolt to have to pull brass that hasn't fully retracted in the chamber. Causing bolt failure. Things like adding a h2 buffer will help slow the system down. Replacing gas rings at 5k or sooner. Replacing the buffer spring, etc. There is a natural progression of maintenance that has to be done to get longevity out of these things.
3 bolts in 20k doesn't seem that bad though. Especially since you are not doing anything it seems to mitigate the failures. I put 12k on a Colt 6920 bolt. Back when I was taking courses. It didn't fail. Due to the fact I replaced it. I figured 12k was good enough. I had already put a h2 in it at 7-8k. And three sets of gas rings. At 17k I replaced the barrel. It wasn't key holing. But why take a course and your rifle sh*t the bed? When a good maintenance schedule can mitigate a lot.
Damn Bro, you sound like you know what you are talking about. Any recommendations on someone who can build a cetme from a kit ?
@@texasRoofDoctorWhat are you looking to do? If you want a good turnkey rifle. A Colt 6920 Trooper is a good starting rifle. And is relatively inexpensive. It's a carbine gas. But they work. Probably 80% of the police run a Colt gun still.
BCM is a step up. As is Sionics weapons systems.
If you are building a rifle. The barrel is the starting point. Ballistic Advantage is owned by Aero Precision. But BA gasses their barrels different than the ones they make for Aero. They seem to be decent. Rosco gasses their stuff right.
A mid gas 16" inch with a .076 gas port diameter runs well with a Sprinco blue spring and H buffer.
When you could get those AO Precision military overruns on BCG's they were a steal.
I tend to not stray to far from the TDP specs on things. The array of stuff for AR15's is vast.
@@texasRoofDoctorYou also have SOLGW in Texas they have good stuff. Become pricey. But they put together a nice package.
@DutchK.USMC.Knuckles3. Actually I want to build up a Spanish Cemte from the parts kit.
@El_Peto Maybe nothing. They could have it done for them. Broadsword recievers and L89 rails is their design.
Colt has a few barrel manufacturers. Wilson Armament and Rosco make barrels for them. If they aren't making them in house. Same with BCG's Microbest and AO Precision are .mil and .gov suppliers. Capco, Remington and a few others make M4 barrels for the M4. And I'm sure FN is contracting to the same firms. Because the .mil doesnt use cold hammer forging.
You'd probably be shocked at the amount of stuff insert your favorite gun company here ---> ______, doesn't make.
Aero makes their own uppers and lowers. Uppers are junk. No thermal fit. No dry film lubricant. That M4E1 stuff looks like billet garbage. There's been a lot of references to the fact that BA/Aero barrels sh*t the bed fast. Tells me whomever is doing the QPQ work isn't doing a good job. And most of their BCG's are Toolcraft. Look up cage code 1b1b6. A 750k contract that Toolcraft had during the GWOT. All recalled. PSA, BCA and the like all use the same crap.
Aero is NOT garbage . The M4E1s are GREAT receivers . I suspect you know this but said otherwise in order to get more comments .
I'm confused. Isn't 10k+ rounds a good life for a non-chrome lined barrel?
Also, what was the treatment on the bolts? Phosphate? Nitrided?
Yes, it is.
The Aeros ran good for what they are, and their price point is. Maybe a higher end barrel would last 20,000+ rounds but thats not always the case either. It really depends what rounds you are using as well as your firing schedule.
@@justinp1471yeah from my understanding rate of fire is essential to a barrels life. I think I read somewhere the army said 2-3 rounds per minute was the sustained rate of fire for the ar platform
@@mellifont96That’s referring to sustained fire or really heat. That is the rate of fire that you can expect to sustain without the rifle shutting down due to heat via cook off, gas tube issues, barrel deformation… And that is specific to barrel profile and other specifics of the barrel I think that number was for A4 or maybe M4 I’m not certain.
@@mellifont962 to 3 rounds per minute is what you can shoot for as long as you want more or less and not have to worry about it failing? Is that what you mean?
I don't have experience with a full built Aero but I like their M4E1 receiver sets and I've used their BCGs with success. However, I only run their M16 BCG's, phosphate coated (No Logo) with their C158 bolts. Current bcg has over 3000 rds, all suppressed shooting and been through numerous classes. Its holding up just fine. Curious though, you never mentioned if your BCG's had a C158 bolt or 9310. Current bcg in your rifle looks to be a nitride variation.
Would you go Diamondback Receiver or Aero?
@@ib5131 Aero. In my opinion, they have better QC.
@@ib5131do not buy Diamondback or Wilson Combat receivers, specs and qc are horrible.
@@ib5131never go anything Diamondback or bear river arsenal. Worst products I've ever seen. Palmetto State is miles better, and I think Aero is a bit better than PSA.
Aero has a few things right. Idk about their complete rifles but…
-Enhanced upper/handguard combo is absolutely superior to most because it’s “monolithic” compared to standard barrel nut mounted handguards. No rotation… total retention of laser/front sight zero.
- Lower/upper specs are real tight. No play/wiggle.
- Enhanced buffer tube is essential if you’re running a piston system.
You don't have total retention when a flimsy mlock aluminum rail you can literally push from side to side with your finger.
@@jasonshink6589That’s your experience with their rails? Interesting. My personal experience with them has been fantastic. Very rigid.
@@CivilianOperators yup. It's not an experience it's science. There is no mlock rail as rigid as a name brand quad rail. It saves weight....which reduces rigidness. There is always a compromise
@@jasonshink6589One man’s argument is always inferior to another man’s experience.
Some of you will blow your minds when you find out Aero produces for many other brands.
You put how many rounds through them? You don't even know how many. You don't clean guns they get extremely dirty. Gucci guns fail if you don't clean them either.
This video was clickbait and we all failed the test
My Tavor carrier just broke after 8000 rounds.. mechanical stuff may break.. it happens.
Wouldnt consider 7k rounds on a $110 bcg bad. In fact i think aero should be the go to starter rifle for most people. I don't think there is a better brand in their price range.
BCM like he said spend a couple hundred more and get a super reliable platform
All things break over time, especially if you don’t properly take care of them & clean them. BCGs should be replaced about every 10k rounds. Yea, some can last longer, but I care about staying in the reliable range window. Also, you get what you pay for generally in the gun industry. I personally love Aero because of the building aspect & that’s key because I choose higher end barrels & buy the more expensive BCGs from other companies to use in my builds. Aero isn’t bad or junk & is fine for defense purposes. I do own a complete upper from them (BCG & barrel from Aero) that I use for training classes specifically & hard range use. I’ve shot over 4,000 rounds on it so far & it’s been working great actually. No issues. I own higher end rifles, but honestly I’d recommend Aero to anyone for a good rifle for the money.
Curious, the BCG or just bolt?
After hearing all this aero praise im going to get a complete Aero upper (bcg & ch) and match it to my binary Franklin armory lower
People that don’t shoot enough have the most knowledge on what firearm brand is the best.
Okay guy just so you know, in the Army(infantry here) the actual real world of hard use on the M4/M16 platform which we shoot a hell of a lot. Our barrels and bolts…get switched out at 7500 rounds. (That’s the standard across the Army) I use and prefer Aero precision products because I know I can trust what they put out. They use ballistic advantage barrels as well. They’re legit. Just because you’re a competitive shooter with some awards, doesn’t mean your opinion is right. As a matter of fact I’ve seen Colt and FN barrels and bolts fail well before the 7500 round mark, so for you to sit there and say that Aero is trash because it failed after you put as many rounds through as you did, is just unfathomable. I’ll go ahead and take your opinion with a grain of salt
Nah I’m a CPL now. But yes I’m in the natty guard lol
Ya know what…you’re right. So sorry I even said anything. I’ve got no experience and have no idea what I’m talking about because I’m NG and not active. My apologies sir. 🫡
I've had top of the line BCGs fail before so it happens. But if it happened to Daniel Defense or KAC their customer service would just get a lot of praise
Whoever says aero precision is not good does not know anything about good quality firearms or the industry!.
That is a very misinformed individual but chances are they're absolutely lies and tactical elitist. Who try to make people feel like if they don't overpay on guns thousands of dollars like they do that they are idiots for buying those budget crap guns!. Some people are insanely idiotic.
Aero precision is one of the best manufacturers in the industry.
Not only do they make well over 95% of their part if not a hundred per-cent of their parts they're uppers and lowers are forged 7075 t6 aluminum which is the top standard of strength in the industry. And I'm pretty sure it's a hundred percent but I'm going to give that few percent just in case.
Ballistic advantage is a company they own with barrels produced in house guaranteed sub MOA accuracy with match-grade ammo.
And furthermore in the beginning AR-15 getting extremely popular they were the ones producing more than half of all of the AR-15 uppers and lowers coming out of any company the high-end ones included.
And they have some of the most high tech up-to-date machinery possible for building them.
And they also have some of the tightest tolerance is in the industry!.
So just because they are literally half the price of a Gucci AR because aero does everything in-house how does that make them bad in anyway??
10K rounds and the bolt breaks ? And you deem the gun garbage ? You sir, are a clown.
And he admits he doesn’t even clean it lol
@@Coyotesinc22 Found two aero broke boys
@ Happy thanksgiving big dawg
@@Coyotesinc22 hey, if I want to be a miserable dick on thanksgiving, that’s my damn choice. It’ the 3rd amendment. Now go eat your aero farms turkey.
Fun fact: Aero Precision Is the factory that makes many of the high-end AR platforms for the brands that everyone loves...
Aero precision is far from garbage I have used their receivers exclusively and the quality fit and finish is better than even some BCM I’ve used. Their bolt carrier groups have given me no issues, and their barrels have been extremely accurate as well. I can’t stand it when someone receives one bad part and automatically the company is garbage that’s how you can tell you’re not a serious builder or enthusiast , that, and the hair, of course
Well ppl are stupid...look up chris at small arms solutions.....mill spec bolts commonly break at around 6k rounds...per the destructive testing performed by colt and the government...if you shoot hard enough...like Ben does.. you will break things....that why for years all the old school military guys would carry spare bolts in there pistol grips...
Totally disagree that Aero is garbage.
Is Aero really “bad” if you’re beating the absolute crap out it though? I mean I get it isn’t top of the line stuff, but a quick scrub down and a bit of lubricant could potentially extend the life much longer. I feel like it’s misleading to say it’s bad if it made it through a few thousand rounds without any real care/maintenance. I will say though, I’m glad you’re doing this as I’ve been looking at Aero stuff albeit I’ll be at a much much lower round count.
Yes it's bad. Lubing a bolt doesn't change the fact that the tolerances on their BCGs fucking suck and contribute to the bolt breaking very quickly. Microbest BCGs are the best on the market (they OEM for BCM, SOLGW, Sionics and many other high end companies) and sell for as low as 90 dollars. There is 0 reason to buy an aero BCG or bolts.
The fact that the gun are mass produced but need to be worn in speak volumes.
If it wears in then it quickly turns into wearing out.
@@veryhappyturtle good to know! Thanks! Is there any issue with the uppers and lowers themselves? Or is it mainly centered around the BCG?
@@dchil15 fair point. Thank you!
I had one keyhole at almost 18k. I'm not saying they are the best. But they did just come out with a CH Forged barrel line and new BCGs. You have to weight the price and what you need out of eveything. you can get an Aero (Balistic advantage) barrel for under $100 on sale. I picked one up for like $79.99 once. If you consider you can buy almost 4 barrels for the price of a DD, Geissle, etc etc. Then it isn't bad. Meaning if you got 10k out of a barrel you could get 30-40k out of those barrels compared to the 25-30k of the other barrels.
I love the Aero lowers and a DD upper or Geissle upper. But I've been getting DDs and Geissle Super duties for 1500 so
DD’s lowers are the biggest rip offs. You are basically paying 700-800 dollars for a basic milspec non ambi lower. Totally a waste of $. Best is to buy a DD or super duty upper and then decide if u want a basic aero lower or if u want a more expensive lower.
@@9770G did you read my comment ...or are you just double commenting what I've already said? Haha
Not one single issue or problem with my aero
Not one single issue or problem with my 5 aeros
So they came from the factory properly gassed .
They nice to brass? Cause my m5 didn't run for shit till I rebuilt it......(don't know who built it first or what they did....)
@@prone_wolf8871 🤷♂️ I own 11 ar's, not 1 of them was factory built
What's the round count on those. 250?
@@camarokid518how many have been through classes?
The average Aero is never going to see 1000 rounds. In fact like 98% of guns will never see that.
Which company is BCG? Are you talking about Bravo Company?
Yeah my bad I am a moron. I meant bcm.
I mean if you clean and lube them you can maximize their service life. Just like any parts that rub together in any tool or machine.
The pricepoint that aero has isn't terrible. It's a great entry level rifle. I believe the barrels are ballistic advantage, which aren't great if you are looking for awesome accuracy. Also the bolts aren't great. I think they rock the old specification bolt material.
Since the majority of the receivers etc are all the same stuff, with variances in qc along the way. I personally used to only buy noveske and higher end rifles and components. Then I learned more about how they are made. Now I don't care who makes the receivers (aero for the most part), drop in a BCM bolt and a criterion barrel, with maybe a BCM or Geissele or whichever crap is available.
5 years ago it was simple, buy bcm lower on sale for 300, and buy a separate bcm upper on sale for 300... or LMT same way. With the cost of these and other things skyrocketing I can totally see how people don't want to spend 3k on a KAC SR25....
Why do the DD, Noveske etc bolts last 20k? Because they are made with considerably more expensive material. Carpenter 158 steel is what M4 and M16 bolts are made out of, and it costs a lot more. It's a proprietary steel alloy that is only sourced from one place and has to be purchased in huge batches to be cost effective, it's also relatively limited in supply since it's the go to alloy for the M4/M16 contracts.
Toolcraft 9310, us also used in bolts/ bolt carriers.
In the end, I look at it like this. As a Former Marine and current Field Service Engineer, I regard bolts as a consumable item that if I get 5k out of I am happy. The "break in" with some ar's is because the buffer spring takes a certain number of rounds before it takes a set unless it's chrome silicon. Don't believe me, take a new buffer spring, measure it. Shoot it and measure every 100 rounds for the first 500, it loses spring rate till it settles in. Not that you should have to break in any firearm for it to work imo, just kinda how things work with less expensive parts/ fitting.
Carpenter 158 bolts are only rated for 6k rounds before they are expected to fail 20k rounds on a carpenter 158 bolt is an exceptional lifespan
Buying guns for training would mean you want something durable but able to be cheaply maintained. As far as I can tell Aero seems to fit that bill. 6,500 rounds sounds reasonable for a bolt given what’s happening in the chamber. If you want something with higher durability for training with high round counts you should do some research and resign yourself to the fact that you’ll have to invest more up front than you put into those Aeros you have. For most of us having a rifle that’s reliable with nominally affordable ammo is more important than knowing we can blast 6500 rounds (that most us can’t afford) through it.
I would absolutely argue a aero rifle is more than capable as a SHTF rifle, definitely for home defense stuff and of course a range toy. Aero builds very good quality shit. You don’t need a $7k KAC rifle for a SHTF quality build.
I could be just my experience, but I feel some of the quality has gone down in recent years.
No better than an Anderson or Radical. Same tier. Just barely above Bear Creek Arsenal
@@hyphydanabsolute nonsense
Aero is a good gun for most people not operators competition shooters or someone who shoots a shit ton. If you have a gun just for self defense and a little practice your aero will be fine. They make good aurpressors as well. If you plan on going to war spend more than 1800 on a rifle and more like 2-2500. Also people riding Daniel Defense leg like a dog in heat. DD is a good gun but not great. I prefer bcm or lwrc or noveske but if you are just having fun most guns will work for you
The only things that matter is the chamber dimension, barrel harmonics and how far the bullet likes to jump into the rifling. The brands don’t matter. The dimensions do.
No kidding, my roomate brought a BCM blem upper for the clout and the bit where the gas tube goes into is so large the gas tube rattles inside of it lmao.
AeroPrecision is the manufacturer for Taran Tactical. I don’t hear people saying they’re garbage, maybe overpriced but not garbage. This weird cost=quality is such a childish thinking process.
Nothing makes me cringe more than someone gloating about SOLGW whom do not make any of their own parts. Meanwhile Aero makes all their own shit.
@@TheSRMprojectSOLGW gets the same parts but ensures those parts are to spec more than other mass produce companies. Get over yourself. One part they also use is a chrome lined barrel. Instead of the ballistic advantage bs that aero uses which they don't make smart guy. All companies get the receiver from a couple ppl then mill out certain areas and drill holes that's it.
@@jasonshink6589 Aero owns Ballitic Advantage….
It looked like a failure at the cam pin journal. It's pretty common for a bolt to fail there. I've never seen one personally in my guns or in my duty guns, but I do know it happens. A lot of the more consumer grade use 9130 steel instead of C158. The c158 is usually more resistant to breakage... usually. Take that for what is worth.
9310 is no worse than C158, and in certain ways is better.
@@Hornet135 9130 is highly dependent upon proper heat treatment which can vary by mfg
@@skyofstorms And proper heat treat is even more critical for Carpenter 158 and more difficult to than it is for 9130. So the whole 9310 vs c158 is just dumb at this point.
@@Hornet135entirely false, 9310 is harder to heat treat than c158.
@ just because you heard it doesn’t make it true
Most BCGs should be replaced or refreshed at about 10k rounds. If they don't survive to 10k, you aren't maintaining your rifle properly.
Aero 100 percent not garbage the hate comes from ignorance
Ignorance? Tens of thousands of rounds through his Aero uppers and he's coming from a place of ignorance?
@cmiddleton9872 thank you for proving my point
Tens of thousands of rounds thru aero uppers.
That means that they are not garbage. 👏
180 degree experience with Aero, clean and oil them and they'll last you the 10 plus years I've been shooting mine
How much Aero counts as Aero?
I use six of their uppers and hand guards but, that’s it…the rest is handpicked quality stuff.
Am I using an Aero still or what does that count as? Do I go by barrel maker or who made the BCG or what?
You’re using what most AR guys are using, a Frankenstein lol. All my ARs are curated by me. I like Aero receivers, with Geissele lower parts kits, BCM bolt carrier groups, and then the barrel and buffers depend on what kind of rifle setup I’m going for. Don’t get too hung up on what these AR snobs tell you is nice and what’s garbage. You gotta do your research and find out for yourself. I like Aeros receivers and certainly don’t consider them “garbage”.
Have an aero m4e1 w Geissele complete uppers/trigger and the aero has ran flawlessly im 2 classes and 7000 rounds through and countless more range bs trips It’s going damn strong I’m pleased with aero lower
Welp...truth be told. Go fire ANY AR15 for 10k-20k rounds and if you get an FTF/FTE, broken pin, bolt or even if the gas tube loosens..."its junkl"..lol. Couldn't help notice...but do you have a video of an AR that goes 20k rounds without any malfunctions or breaks?
I really like your video your thought process. I agree with your logic. I'm a Daniel Defense fan boy, and don't use Aero Precision bolts . I love Aero lowers and have not had any issues. Their LPKs and BCG's have me hesitant but any brand can fail after enough rounds, even DD. How was the customer service or support? I'm curious to know how Aero handled it?
10k rounds through mine without a single issue. Many full training sessions with 500 plus rounds. Idk what this dude is talking about. My BCM is great..but so is my Aero..and for that matter so is my brothers PSA. Dont let these dudes push this brand marketing BS.
"I abused this gun and it broke and was easily fixed"
Aero really isn't that bad, but for a high round count shooter like you there are 2 things that need to be changed or address if you want to keep the gun. 1 the bolt carrier group go for a 158 carpenter steel bolt from BCM or Sons of Liberty. 2 barrel go for a cold hammer forged barrel like a Criterion, Hodge or Centurion. Just saying if you were to replace or continue using that particular gun. Just my .2.
FYI the Aero bolt is also made from 158 carpenter steel. I've had one personally break at the cam pin hole. I'm not sure what they're doing wrong but they're using the same steel as the premium manufacturers. When I emailed customer service they didn't take responsibility for it but replaced it with a new one (after many weeks of waiting).
Criterion isn’t CHF, they’re button rifled with chrome lining.
I don't mind their receivers cause they are cheap and work.....but I run faxon match or proof barrels and jp enterprises/geiessle parts.
@@jesse5167The only C158 bolt aero offers is in their Phos/CL. It looks like Ben has been using the Nitride BCGS, which have 9310 bolts.
@@jesse5167Aero Precision doesn’t make BCGs.
Barrels are consumables , did you maintain / clean regularly?
i get the internals but most uppers and lowers are made from the same exact materials as the more expensive companies..
I bought AP lower for my MODERN M Upper. The disconnector is missing. I send an email no response.Not going to buy again.
I like their receivers but their customer service is horrible. I ordered a lower gave no confirmation email or tracking. Called 3 days in a row on hold for 30 mins to hour with no one ever picking up. Sent a "request " whatever tf that is as well with no response either. If I order aero again will be from a second party like midway usa
Wow is that how long you go without changing the oil in your truck too? 20,000 whew must be a bad truck too lmao
I totally agree. Back in 2018 I bought the cheapest AR I could find, a Del-Ton DTI-15, as a practice gun and to hone my gunsmithing skills (if I break it, then its not a big loss). Over the last 6 years I've watched a ton of SOTAR videos, purchased gunsmithing tools, and completely disassembled and re-assembled that rifle, multiple times.
Today, I know that gun inside-&-out, and is my most trusted and proved gun in my humble collection.
I think something important to note is that Aero’s BCG’s are not great. But their receivers and handguards are. You can build excellent guns using their receivers with high end internals.
Aero is fine as a standard or mid-tier rifle. If you're a builder, you can't beat an Aero M4E1 lower with an Aero mil spec or enhanced upper. Put a good buffer system, trigger, barrel, and BCG in it and you've got a top-tier shooter.
I have an aero upper that seems to be imparting (very) slightly uneven wear on a bcg. That said, I use their receiver sets and then put the parts i want on them. Never any problem with lowers, may consider a higher tier upper due to the more function critical spec
I had a very disappointing experience with Aero Precision. I purchased a lower and upper receiver, and while the upper receiver arrived within a week, the lower receiver has still not been delivered after three months. I have spent countless hours trying to get an estimated delivery date, but the company has been unable to provide any clear information. This lack of communication and reliability is unacceptable. Based on this experience, I will not be making any future purchases from Aero Precision.
I dunno.
I use aero stripped lowers and uppers and put in my own parts. Does a forged lower or upper break?
I do have a couple aero bolts, no issues yet.
I believe most Aero complete upper barrels are Ballistics Advantage. Aero doesn't make barrels...that i know of.
Aero makes solid stuff. My only criticism is the BCG's are kinda mid and that's an easy fix.
Beyond properly staking, shot peening, mpi testing, and pressure testing arent all bcg basically the same in lifespan? Like between 100 to 200 to get a bcg with all that minus some super fancy coating.
I've seen Colt, Knights and FN m4's and m16's break from everything from the bolt/bcg, gas tube/gas block, buffer tube and barrels. If you treat a firearm poorly then it is bound to break no matter who the manufacturer is. I've got a 16" aero and a 16" palmetto with 5000 rounds down each barrel over a 5 year period and each rifle still shoots well enough to trust me life on it.
I get that youre an experienced shooter, but where are you at on gunsmithing knowledge? Aerp precision products are definitely not "garbage." The fact that you have had operating group issues with their parts could be indicitive of error in the assembly process, such as not verifying acceptable headspace, using aftermarket parts like cam pins the are a poor fit to the bolt, or similar errors. Ive seen complete Aero guns make it much more than 20,000rds and be find aside from needing spring replacements or maybe barrel swaps, but this is typical for non-hammer forged barrels.
It's amazing how many come out of the woodwork to.defend their purchase decision, and most didn't even listen because they keep referencing one Aero bolt went 20K rounds when that's not what Ben said.
Ben said 3 or 4 broke within 20K collectively, and one barrel began keyholing at 5K.
Try this same test with your good guns that you baby.
Let’s see how reliable they really are
Local gun store sold me aero components to put together an A.R. 15. My first AR build. The BCG would stick about 2/3 of the way in, but they assured me that it would break in and be just fine.
Well, it didn’t. Their policies do not accept returns or exchanges. They replaced my entire upper free of charge with a different manufacturer.
Your upper got crushed somewhere along the line..It is common for uppers to be tight around the ejection port area because someone over clamped, twisted or use it incorrectly..
@ they returned it to Aero and got me a new one. Was out of spec.
@@mikejayers Good for Aero, glad it worked out for you..
I’ve never had an issue with my aero lower, she is about 6 years old but also never had over 5k rounds through it. I built my AR and it’s by far the cheapest component of the weapon system. Literally cheaper than my irons, and even butt stock. She has been fine but the more I learn the more I kind of feel like a good 120 investment in an LMT lower it’s probably worth the squeeze.
7 k on a bolt with not cleaning it that good and not replacing the gas rings or cam pin or ejector before it breaks sounds fine and normal to me. My experience 90% of them are all the same and wear out. Typically the extractor or rings or cam pin goes first though.
Here is an idea.. build you an Aero with a high end bolt carrier like I did.. ... if my bolts kept breaking every 5000 rounds I wouldn't be on my fourth one. I call BS.
Ive been looking at buying an Aero AR. A local guy builds them to personal specs for right around $1000-$1500. If its garbage, should i just get a PSA AR? I dont plan on shooting it regularly. I just want an AR to train with and have fun with.
If aero was garage law enforcement agencies wouldn't bother with them. Cheap & very reliable!
Aero receiver sets are always great for builds. But for the more crucial components I go elsewhere
Nope, the receivers are trash too.
@@hyphydanare you gonna explain why or just leave it at that
from what i've heard theres no wiggle/rotation...so why is it trash? Was yours not as promised?@@hyphydan
You know I have the same problem I only ran my corvette down the track 20 thousand times and the engine blew what a peace of junk..
So this guy says he takes care of other brands but runs aero without cleaning it til it breaks hmmmm dumb
I miss when youtube showed the downvotes number
The biggest benefit to doing it the way you have is the price of them allows for multiples so once gun gets too hot just grab another and keep training.
or just have one that always runs
@@rastaman69420it will still get to hot to handle.
What kind of volume of fire are we talking where you’ve torched a gun to that point?
So did you just have problems with your BCG? Definitely glad i bought an AO precision BCG for mine 😄
There’s a lot of doofuses in this comment section that don’t understand there’s only 3 manufacturers out there actually *MAKING* BCGs. AO being one of them.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 and i would say uf it's good enough for FN America, then it's good enough for me
Sounds like you're one of those guys with more money than you know what to do with lol
Colt fn and lmt bolts break fairly regularly in military service their expected lifespan is 6k rounds before they are expected to break so 20k rounds is beyond expectations for any mil spec bolt
I never had problems with their lowers for ar15s... but the m5(308) didnt run too well eith aero parts.....after I swapped the guts and gasblock with jp enterprises it runs like a top..
sub moa with federal ...so I don't mind their receivers.....but I don't waste time with their parts kits
Same thing here….. I went with Krieger they headspace a JP bolt with there barrels. But as I saved money I ended up with a complete JP BCG and silent capture buffer system. At the end of the day my build is a mutt. But a mutt that’s capable of consistently slapping down dime size 5 shot groups at 100 yards with little effort. Idk understand why Aero is getting all this hate lately. Aero has always been a builders company.
If the aero m5 308 isn’t garbage why don’t the sell completes? Because the mystery manufacturer bolt and carrier are garbage. How come you can’t get just the bolt or an extractor or firing pin for it? Until these questions are answered, I doubt the entire company..
I'm pretty picky and I've been super happy with the Aero Precision items I've purchased. I just finished building a PCC using an Aero Precision upper, lower and handguard and I've been super happy with all of these parts. I like the Aero Precision Atlas R-One handguard as good as any other handguard I've ever used. Fit, finish and function is excellent on all of these parts. Having said that, I have not used an Aero Precision bolt on anything.
Their complete lowers are awesome. However, I only buy complete BCM uppers. The upper is the past that actually needs to be reliable and needs to be head spaced correctly so it doesn’t blow up in your face.
Could be the build, but my fav rifle usually ends up being the all Aero upper & lower. Only non aero component is the bolt along with non aero BS like grip & charging handle. For the price I think it’s right there with BCM and stag
I have just over 7500 rounds through a full auto 7.5 inch Aero 5.56 I built (yes, I'm an SOT). It tears through gas rings but so far no BCG or bolt breakage or any issues for that matter. That's using 90% Wolf and Tula ammo also. I've rebuilt the bolt a couple of times with new exterior, springs, pins and firing pin and that's it. Couldn't tell you about the accuracy as this has always been an obnoxious shits and giggles gun.