They still get pretty damn close. I was running similarly, but using Helix into an EVH 5153 fx loop, but have since sold the amp. These modern amp rely less on the power section for their tone. Which is why Friedman swears he can capture a BE100s essence in a pedal or synergy module. I use a Friedman powered wedge (ASM12) and am stoked with what I hear. Also, I use a SD Powerstage 170 and Marshall 1960BV (with helix or AA6) when I wanna move air old school style. Also, the Atomic AA6 is a great alternative. I feel like their BE100 cleans up just a bit better, ie more dynamic. Both great option tho. Nice demo!
Cool video! You are lucky too have such a great rig...... helps answer alot of wuestions alot of us have about the helix replacing / standing in for an amp live. Thanks man.
They sound the same I was wondering I have the 412 be100 cab with the hx stomp so I was wondering how close I was to the real thing I'm using the peavey 6505 for my power amp through the fx loop
I get what you are saying, but one thing this test proves is that the exact same settings on the Helix and the BE-100 don't match 100%. The Placater is a touch brighter. Bumping the presence up a notch would bring the BE-100 and Placater almost exact. That said... it's incredible how close they got this model... especially at high volumes.
Oh for sure. I noticed that a while back but the nice part is ... same setting WILL get you 80% there for the most part. And as you said, once in a mix in a live band setting, NOBODY would hear the difference.
I've considered doing this with my Lone Star, but what I've found is that modeling the preamp is only half the equation. You're switching out the BE100 preamp for the Placater preamp, but running it into the analog BE100 power and cab. Even then, as you've discovered, it's not quite there. Now if you could run an A/B between the BE100/cab and the Helix/FRFR or Helix/power amp/cab, and compare those two sounds, how close can you get? My experience is that the power section is a huge part of the dynamics of the signal. How likely is it that the BE100 preamp section goes bad, but you could still use the power section with the Helix preamp? Can you split that cab stereo, and run the BE100 to one speaker, and use your Helix/power amp to the other speaker and then A/B that?
kurt shetler i can try that at some point for a vid, but have already done that at practice spot. It's pretty dead on still. Granted, my power amp is a power amp made for guitar. I like to stick to familiar. I'm not an FRFR guy though, so i can't make that comparison. I do have a first patch for my DAW with IRs of the cabinets i use and that rules too
They still get pretty damn close. I was running similarly, but using Helix into an EVH 5153 fx loop, but have since sold the amp. These modern amp rely less on the power section for their tone. Which is why Friedman swears he can capture a BE100s essence in a pedal or synergy module. I use a Friedman powered wedge (ASM12) and am stoked with what I hear. Also, I use a SD Powerstage 170 and Marshall 1960BV (with helix or AA6) when I wanna move air old school style. Also, the Atomic AA6 is a great alternative. I feel like their BE100 cleans up just a bit better, ie more dynamic. Both great option tho. Nice demo!
Playing starts at 4:30
Cool video! You are lucky too have such a great rig...... helps answer alot of wuestions alot of us have about the helix replacing / standing in for an amp live. Thanks man.
They sound the same I was wondering I have the 412 be100 cab with the hx stomp so I was wondering how close I was to the real thing I'm using the peavey 6505 for my power amp through the fx loop
AWESOME. I actually like the Helix model tone. Bites a bit more and will prob cut in the mix better.
I get what you are saying, but one thing this test proves is that the exact same settings on the Helix and the BE-100 don't match 100%. The Placater is a touch brighter. Bumping the presence up a notch would bring the BE-100 and Placater almost exact. That said... it's incredible how close they got this model... especially at high volumes.
Oh for sure. I noticed that a while back but the nice part is ... same setting WILL get you 80% there for the most part. And as you said, once in a mix in a live band setting, NOBODY would hear the difference.
Nailed it!!!!! Wow!! Very impressive!! Nice tone!! Share that preset!!! : )
I've considered doing this with my Lone Star, but what I've found is that modeling the preamp is only half the equation. You're switching out the BE100 preamp for the Placater preamp, but running it into the analog BE100 power and cab. Even then, as you've discovered, it's not quite there. Now if you could run an A/B between the BE100/cab and the Helix/FRFR or Helix/power amp/cab, and compare those two sounds, how close can you get? My experience is that the power section is a huge part of the dynamics of the signal. How likely is it that the BE100 preamp section goes bad, but you could still use the power section with the Helix preamp? Can you split that cab stereo, and run the BE100 to one speaker, and use your Helix/power amp to the other speaker and then A/B that?
kurt shetler i can try that at some point for a vid, but have already done that at practice spot. It's pretty dead on still. Granted, my power amp is a power amp made for guitar. I like to stick to familiar. I'm not an FRFR guy though, so i can't make that comparison. I do have a first patch for my DAW with IRs of the cabinets i use and that rules too
Close
Can you share your preset ??