The Doctor Gets a Boyfriend! Doctor Who: Rogue Review
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Here's my review of Rogue, where the Doctor and Ruby Sunday travel to 1813 and encounter a mysterious bounty hunter named Rogue. I discuss those cosplaying shapeshifters, the Doctor's queer romance and speculate on what this week's episode will reveal about the mysterious Susan Triad (Susan Twist)!
What did YOU think of the episode?
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The Fifteenth Doctor (Ncuti Gatwa) and his companion, Ruby Sunday (Millie Gibson) travel to 1813 where they meet a mysterious bounty hunter named Rogue. Portrayed by Jonathan Groff, Rogue is trying to hunt and kill a criminal member of the shape-shifting Chuldur species.
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I think the red/blue sonic thing is just a fun homage to 11's bow ties but reversed. Red sonic for stories set in the past, blue one for stories set in the future/present day.
Ohhh! I like that!
Y’all know about the blue/red vortex effect in Series 1-4 opening titles? It’s a Doppler effect of travelling to the past and future.
@@whophdYeah, that was where I was first aware of it (and I believe where it was first used)
Jonathan Groff was soo likeable in his performance. I like that he seems more introverted and the hints at some past trauma.
I really liked what Ncuti was wearing it reminded me of the third doctor's outfit Jon Pertwee. Rogue was more of a character akin to a Captain Jack or a River Song. I thought he was nice. Good episode cannot wait until The Legend of Ruby Sunday.
Rogue made me want an entirely new Time Lord character. One exploring the galaxy like the Doctor, and they happen to meet from time to time.
There is such a Time Lord in the comics called The Corsair. She is known for frequently switching genders when she regenerates. So much so she always gets a snake eating itself tattoo. Her distress signal and arm are seen in the episode of Doctor Who where the 11th Doctor meets The Tardis as a woman. She has a curved sword and sonic.
OH, AND HER TARDIS IS A PIRATE SHIP!
Yep I’d love to see the Corsair and Rogue and the Sangster. We’ve already seen Trillane and the Hokus.
(Did you like how I just channeled Russell T Davies there?)
A theory I like about Richard E Grants canonicity is that, since rogue has multidimensional technology, his scanners may have picked up on a doctor from a split timeline. Either that, or its the toymakers influence, merging an alternate timeline and bringing the shalka doctor into main canon.
I don't think the Doctor putting on Rogue's ring means an engagement necessarily. For a start, he puts it on his little finger rather than the more traditional ring finger. Personally, I just thought he put it on as a reminder to try and find Rogue. That was my interpretation, anyway.
That very well could be, and I don't remember if they wore wedding rings after they got married. Doctor and River that is as they just used his bow tie as a form of bond.
For all we know, maybe Time Lords don't specifically have a certain finger they wear it on.
Head Canon: Rogue’s last name is Tyler
When Ruby was "killed" in this episode, most of the fandom was like "Sorry, we went through 6 series of Steven Moffat fake-out deaths. Gonna have to try harder than THAT!" :D
😂😂😂
Yeah, the proposal was a tough moment for The Doctor. It did bug me that neither the aliens nor Rogue mentioned being time travelers XD. Not a moment. Indira was great ^__^ Such a fun and emotional episode. He really was Sooooo much like Jack, plus sounded reallly like John's American accent. So I really thought about Jack so much XD. I do miss him.
Curious Christel if your heading to a cinema to watch the finale on Fri the 21st? My local screen is nearly sold out for it!!
I wouldn't say they were engaged. I think the ring is just a reminder.
Maybe I'm alone but I really do like a plot in my Who. Attack of the killer cosplaying birds felt more like a random tangent in HHGttG than a plotline.
I don't think the marriage proposal was legitimate. They'd only know each other for like... An hour or two. I think the proposal was part of the ruse - Rogue didn't know what to say so he just decided to propose. It may have caught the Doctor off guard but I don't think it was taken out of context to their pantomime.
Don't burst my bubble 😭
@@ChristelDeeOfficial You know the drill, Christel: Bubble down, Dot off!
=:o}
How is noone mentioning the dungeons and dragons link in the name and the dice found on Rogue's ship...
Rogue has to be somehow capable of time travel given that he has a space ship, plays D&D and listens to Kylie Minogue all in 1813. Gien all of that though how does he not know about cosplay, especially if he plays D&D?
I don't know that the Doctor is 'marrying' Rogue, but he definitely wants to remember him.
You don't credit the person sitting for a portrait. You credit the artist who created it. Russell is just flat-out trolling us now.
I wonder what Mrs. Flood is up to? Anyone remember her?
Lastly, this episode makes me even madder about _The Devil's Chord._ In this episode we get music by Billie Eilish, Lady Gaga, and Kylie Minogue, but Disney _(freakin' corporate Midgard Serpent Disney!)_ can't spring for even a line of "Love Me Do"?!? Sixty years on and _The Chase_ is still the definitive Beatles episode of Doctor Who. _GRRR!_ They should have just made that episode about Billie Eilish, Lady Gaga, or Kylie Minogue.
I was a bit disappointed how the Doctor brushes off finding Rogue at the end. The Doctor normally takes impossible hurdles as a challenge and rallies to find a solution, but here he just gets deflated and effectively gives up. Also I thought the performance of Rogue was a bit flat and characterless. It didn’t feel like he was a strong enough personality to justify the Doctor’s sparks. Felt a bit one sided.
How does one kiss = boyfriend? I thought the episode was okay. I wish it was a 2 parter. Rouge was good but needed a little more time with him.
I had no problem with seeing the kiss shared between the Doctor and Rogue. I really think though that a romantic or involved Doctor brings problems and does make he/him or she/her make hap hazard decisions that can lead to catastrophe. The Doctor was about to lose it when 1st, he thought Ruby was dead, 2nd, when he lost who he thought might be a soul mate and then he just shuts it off. That's dangerous. It makes him impulsive and this Doctor is by far the most emotional Doctor we have seen. He reminds me of a woman while she is pregnant and goes through extreme mood swings. I don't think bi-generation is a good thing. I believe it shows that he might be a demigod that has celestial powers and bi-generation is only used in an extreme crisis, both mentally and the situation with his own past is catching up with him. Almost a bi-polar Doctor Who. Which would be a great way to include people even fans, that they aren't alone in their struggle through this life. But I am off in the weeds here, so we will see what happens. Maybe the 3rd Doctor will make an appearance to help out his future self. WHO NOSE! ☝🏻👃🏻
Hi Christel, Happy Pride Month, RIP William Russell.
OMG 😱 William Russell just died??!
@@whophd He was 99 years old.
The doctor for me has always had relationships, albeit short, off camera. I seem to remember in 11th's Christmas Carol episode, the doctor was about to go to Vegas with Marilyn Monroe. And the 10th at the beginning of the 50th special was involved with Queen Elizabeth I, like a fling or something like that.
They've avoided involving themself with companions, and whenever they've invited love interests to travel on the tradis, bad things happen: madame de pompadour early death and now rogue lost in dimensions.
Don't forget 1 and Cameca who he accidentally got engaged to and simply accepted it even keeping her brooch when he left.
Nu Who only... What about Classic Real Who..... But you don't count Classic Who... Not a single mention any such thing during 26 series, the Doctor is and should have ALWAYS been left above such bullcrap. Have the companions have relationships if you must... It worked BRILLIANTLY with Amy and Rory.... The Doctor Nope.... His Granddaughter you say..... Well the Timelords may or may not reproduce the same way as us..... Lungbarrow... Should be canon....
@@TheNintendoFanBoy01 Did you just ignore my mention of the first doctor in the Aztecs?
@@Jogproof Nope that was just him being crafty to get out of a situation he didn't want to be in.....
@@Jogproof That wasnt a relationship, he was using the character to get info and accidently proposed and was shocked by the revelation lol. I'm sorry but they wrote the old doctors as completely asexual. He didnt flirt with people, he didnt fall in love with random people or his companions. he just explored the universe, finding new wonders and saving the day. It isnt exactly clear who susan actually is in the first series either, outside of him calling her his grand daughter, we have no idea how timelord society works, how they procreate or if she is actually even related to him. He was never written that way until RTD came along in 2005. Even then he never went as far to show the doctor as actively hitting on people to bed them, they came onto him and he usually rejected them on the basis that he will outlive them and isnt interested in that at all.
He started the series with a granddaughter so not asexual. I absolutely loved this episode.
Asexuals can have children you know
I, for one, am thrilled for the canonization of the Richard E. Grant Doctor. He earned it! He was amazing, and once they expanded how many Doctors there were and showed so many -- John Hurt, Jo Martin, Paul McGann (❤) -- it is only logical to give Richard Grant his due. Great reaction!
Asexual here - I'm glad to see Doctor Who break free of the tired, old, and deeply harmful trope of alien character = asexual.
And attempting to cop off with a stranger you've only just met and know nothing about _isn't_ potentially harmful?
@ftumschk don't be weird about cruising lmao
@@cfor8129 "Cruising" is a pretty dodgy example to set before a young audience. I'm not even a prude, but there are limits.
@@ftumschkagree it's verging on grooming kids. The doctor left ruby to get into danger whilst he sought out cock. It is not Doctor who! It's queer in space at this point.
I honestly really liked their dynamic, I honestly kind of wished Ruby would have just died. I don't know, I am not as attached to Ruby, nothing wrong with the actress, just I partly don't care for her. The only true companions I really liked all throughout New Who and New New Who is Donna, Rory, and Graham. With special mentions of Captain Jack, River Song, Madame Vastra, Jenny, and Straxx. I really liked the Victorian Clara more so than the Clara we get from then on in. Clara as the Dalek Oswin Oswald was good too
I was actually really hoping that Ruby did die, her mystery just dropped and the show continues on with The Doctor and Rogue from then on it for the rest of Ncuti's Run.
I really hope The Doctor actually does try and go looking for him, because my goodness do I want them to be together. Also there was a bit of flirting between Captain Jack and Christopher's Doctor too.
Want to bet the ring is the McGuffin that will lead the Doctor to Rogue's unknown dimension! I hope they do not do the "kill your gays" trope and let the Doctor at least save Rogue if not actually ave a proper relationship with him! I suppose we will be spared the trope as Russel T. Davis is gay.Loved the episode! Ncuti gets better and better and has finally arrived at his unique iteration of the Doctor! I also loved that Ruby is a dauntless and uncompromising feminist who sees through the misogynist rake immediately! Better than Bridgerton!!!!! I can't wait for the finale and the Ruby identity reveal!!!! All in all a great, sadly too short, season full of highlights!
The Doctor is absolutely engaged now. I didn't think about that until you mentioned it. Rogue needs to return.
Nah, he put the ring on his left *pinky*.
If people think this episode was romantic i kind of feel sorry for them lol. I got going to the club to pull vibes myself.
River, Jack, and now Rogue. The Doctor is attracted to "bad" people with good hearts. Gender is inconsequential.
"Were far beyond your human concepts of gender and its associated stereotypes!"
@@Hario338 "But you call yourselves Time *Lords*...?"
" ...Yeah, shut up."
=:o}
I'm definitely not in the asexual Doctor camp, why would I want to deprive the Doctor of the solidarity Rogue gave him.
During the 18th century it would of been illegal for a black man to kiss another man!!
That's addressed in the episode. They did it to create a 'scandal' to draw out the bird aliens and technically it would have been illegal for any man, black or white, to kiss another man in a sexual context. Of course it happened all the time, it just wouldn't be acknowledged in 'polite' society.
I'm ace and view the doctorbas asexual, but asexual folks aren't automatically aromantic, so I think the doctor catching feelings for folks he grows close to doesn't negate the potential of him being ace.
Even in Rogue, while the relationship happens quickly because of the necessity of fitting it in one episode, they clearly have moments of bonding where they both realize they are very alike.
I also feel like its possible that, if time lords have a concept of sexual orientation, that different incarnations could possibly have different orientations, or atleast be more or less open to sexual or romantic relations than their other incarnations
Side note: it is funny to note that people keep mentioning that they "think of the doctor as ace" when the doctor, as far as I know, has never been implied to have sexual relations or desires (aside from maybe rivers innuendos). Kinda shows how people for some reason cant view romance as a non-sexual thing
honestly I think it's so funny that Kylie Minogue now canonically exists, and so does Astrid. like, does 15 realize that?
Well, Douglas Adams has canonically existed for a while...
Well.... as a gayer myself.... I was perhaps less impressed with this element of the plot.... or perhaps I should say the execution of it. And I feel it's lack of finesse will be used as ammunition by any more regressive heterosexual audience member to reinforce their negative opinions of 'non conventional' people
Every other time we have seen the Doctor in some form of 'intimacy' it's been presented with the concept that it's as alien to him as he is to us. With River, he was constantly wrong footed and intrigued. With Reinette it was intimate and romantic after her initial 'snog' initiation. With Rose it was slow building and ultimately explained as being impossible due to the life expectancy situation. With Yaz it felt like even acknowledging her feelings would hurt her more as they couldn't be returned.
This just felt like a bad Grindr hook up... the Doctor got a boner at some alien hot guy and decided to get straight to action (Via a stereotypical bit of 'Camp Clubbing'). RTD has been very forthright about presenting his version of Gay Life in Drama (which is a very different experience to mine) so it shouldn't surprise me that that is the version that the writers present to screen here. It's just such a shame that this is the, so far, only time the Doctor has been unequivocally shown to have 'feelings' towards a man..... and it's presented as a hook up with none of the complexities afforded the other 'romances' he's had. It's shows the Doctor a bit like those married guys who get off with blokes on the DL after picking them up in restrooms, cruising spots or online.
Perhaps if Rogue was less like Captain Jack with the accent, invisible ship, sexual flexibility etc etc I wouldn't have been reminded of the far superior Torchwood episode 'Captain Jack Harkness' of which this episode felt like a very bad cosplay of... and while I wish that were the case, I think reminding people of a years old story is crediting this with more metatexuality than it deseves. Because it feel more like really bad shipping fan fiction... or an AI generated storywith 'Jack Harkness' as the cue words.
And to finish my rant.... just to put it in context why I'm a gay man (attracted to other male people.... not just their 'hotness' or their genitals) finds this story objectionable: imagine how you would feel if the character of the Doctor suddenly started wearing sports team clothing, drinking beer and screaming out 'Pussy Power' while trying to finger bang the next random attractive female he meets. While he farts in Ruby's face. It's that level of offensive stereotyping. But having read 'The Writer's Tale' back in the day....I realised RTD has a very different 'gay outlook' to me, so I can see why this story was made
Rant over
I wish there was more time spent with this
Between them still feels like they wanted to just make two people kiss just for the sake of it
Personally I don’t want to see romance with the Doctor full stop. I think it’s lazy writing. Doctor and Donna style worked the best
Half expected Rogue to turn round and go "fancy a bum"
Ratings in the toilet yahhhhh
Bigots are turning off and people who can’t handle queer representation how sad 🤣💀
Doctor Who is just awful now. Too much wrong to explain.
You are clever Christel - can you explain what - "I've just been Snowballed" means?
Romance? That wasn't Romance... Romance takes Days, Week, Months and Years.... NOT Minutes.... Plain and simple that was LUST.... This episode was so poor that they had to use the only thing that sells.... Sex..... In no other GOOD story has Doctor Who EVER required Sex to sell the episode.... I never realized or considered until recently that RTD changed the Doctor and Sarah Jane's relationship from friends to something else that was NEVER portrayed in the classic series... Unrequited love... BULL CRAP it was NEVER that..... The Doctor went 26 seasons in the classic series never mentioning anything like that... Up and through to The Doctor and Rose.... Then Smith with River, toned down for Capaldi but not totally gone, and then Up again for Whittaker and now into Gatwa.... I think that next season will be anything that moves is fair game..... I'll take bets on that..... Please why... We could have Romance and whatever for the companions thats fine... Not the Doctor He should be set above all that crap.....
Bro has never heard of love at first sight
@@cfor8129 Yes its called lust and it never lasts
BRO he made out with the girl in the fire place,but you don’t have a problem with that.
@@Elfish_vibes Wrong I did have a problem with that. And at the time I complained on Galiifrey Base.... Don't make assumptions you can't back up... On her part however it was YEARS... Not minutes.....
Chill man its not that dee0
RTD memo to the writers. Take my masterbatory fanfic and run with it please. Same as moffat with river
I look forward to the critics of "one-handed typist" Moffat holding Davies to the same rigorous standards.
@@ftumschk I'm sure that's gonna happen 😏
@ftumschk this literally wasn't written by rtd
@@cfor8129 I (literally) know that. However, RTD is the showrunner and script-editor, and in that capacity briefs the writers with what he wants, and critiques their scripts until they meet with his approval. Furthermore, RTD takes an active part in the filming/production process, and it's he who has the final say on what goes out on screen.
@@cfor8129 literally know this
Nay
Oh dear... this kind of thing is just one step away from seedy slash-fiction stories. RTD is clearly writing for himself, forgetting that MOST people aren't interested. Dot & Bubble just posted the lowest 7 Day consolidated figures for ANY episode of New Who. Rouge, I mean 'Rogue' will be even lower. RTD is certainly killing it. The new queera is a disaster. The End is nigh. LOL
Russel T Davies did not write this episode.
@@Hario338 No, but I bet he came up with the idea. And we all know that he rewrites everything and has final approval. So he might as well have written it. Try again.
I think that the storyline of this episode was the strongest of the series so far. Having said that I don’t think any of the episodes in this series are up to the standard and tradition of Dr Who back through the decades. And the reason, I think, is the Disney influence that is being exerted upon the production.