Shop Build Final Reveal! The Good, Bad & Ugly
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2024
- The Solo build Shop is DONE! It's providing office, living and work space just as we hoped.
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Save yourself the cost of a 7' fire door and buy him a framed picture of a duck to hang on the stair side of that door! ;-)
" OH, QUACK! "
"OH, QUACK! "
Brilliant
Alternatively, line the door header with rubber duckies that squeak loudly :)
When I was a kid, my GF's parents had a stairway door with low clearance. They did put up a sign with some yellow/black caution tape, but it never helped...I was always looking down at the waist level of the woman in front of me. However, these days it would be so some simple to build a flashing/alarming sign that alerted you to really get your attention. This would be a great modern alternative!
A real man is not afraid to admit his mistakes. I wish I could find a general contractor such as you to build my place.
Scott, paint the white PVC downspout elbows the same color as the gray rocks that it goes down into and it will virtually disappear.
that's genius!
Love seeing the family playing music together at the end. So precious!
The family playing at the end was the best. I can scarcely imagine how much you must enjoy that! May your blessings continue to grow!
I celebrate your rich blessing, as it brings joy to all who behold;
whilst mourning and shedding a tear for my cursed loss.
Yours Aye
GB
@@gbexpatcornishman3004 Yeah, they are an awesome family, but stop screwing it up with all this blessing crap and religion. Don't ruin a good thing. That's what religion always does.
On the point of sound insulation (I'm an acoustic consultant): it's firstly important to understand that building acoustics is split into two nearly distinct fields: 1) absorption; this is provided by heavy curtains, soft furnishings, those black&orange foam things you've got on the wall.. book shelves close to the ceiling provide excellent scattering.. all of the above makes a room sound better, but does nada to stop the passage of sound to your blessed neighbour. 2) sound proofing; the crux of it is mass. special extra dense plasterboard can be dabbed to your existing making sure to leave no gaps (sound is like heat it will find anyway thru) and flexible caulk. Much better is to leave an air gap between the existing plasterboard and the new - and even better than that is to build the two "leaves" on separate studwork so it doesn't 'short circuit'. Having said all that, there is a point of diminishing returns, because if you go to town and achieve a wall that can inhibit 10dB then perhaps the sound will go up thru the ceiling and out the upstairs wall with less inhibition (flanking transmission) ...that door cover you've got - make sure it's tight, perhaps use velcro strips.
"All of Me"! so nice to hear. everyone loved the Bone, of course.....but tell that lad his trumpet work was terrific! Darrell
He’s quite good.
Been watching since before the Project spec house, how did i not know Scott played the trombone?
16:55 The Family Band is so Beautiful 🎸 Continued Blessings to you all
That's good stuff right there. Don't care who you are. Enjoying several generations is a true blessing. Thanks for sharing.
HI there, you are seeing a lot of comments that confuse "acoustic treatment" with "soundproofing". Acoustic treatments (like the foam panels you've affixed to the wall) will make the room sound nicer but not do anything to prevent sound from travelling out of the space.
The best time to do soundproofing is during the building process. Double stud walls, mass, extra layers of drywall, decoupling are all things that are easier to do before the walls are enclosed.
What I'd recommend is removing and sealing off that back door. Then add another layer or two of drywall over the existing drywall at least in the lowered ceiling part of the space. That would be a start.
Two "floating" non-parallel walls (skew them both vertically and horizontally) forming the 90* corner behind the kit could be built inside the finished wall (sill and top plates attach to floor and ceiling, studs carry insulation and sheetrock but don't touch the outside walls). The angles do not need to be dramatic, just enough to prevent standing waves (to use audio-jargon). Using rock-wool or regular fiberglass insulation to fill the void is great. Make sure whatever material you use isn't compacted between the walls (you are insulating against solid mass transmission). Single layer of sheet rock then reapply your foam tiles.
For the ceiling I would DIFUSE the sound as much as possible. There are tiles made of various materials which will break up the sound waves (especially at higher frequencies) which can be used in conjunction with the absorbent tiles to manage that sheetrock slap.
Good luck.
Door Suggestion, push the door forward 3' away from the steps, creating a vestibule. In it's current location, the doorknob is at his knees when he reaches for it. The head room is only half the problem.
I'm surprised it passed inspection for both the lack of head clearance and the lack of a landing inside the door.
I have to agree with you there it's bad the way it is
This is exactly what I was going to suggest!
@@lebotnov66 Yea, in my area (S.Fla) a landing is required, regardless of at the top or the foot of a stair. The landing needs to be the same width as the stairs, minimum. At 6’-7” this would be a problem for me.
Hey the family band is great I know you will always treasure the time you get to spend with them playing and making music. Many camper doors have a bumper pad at the top of the door frame just saying.
Sound isolation: parallel hard surfaces are a no-no. An inexpensive fix for rock band spaces - thick carpets on the floor, more of those orange sound panels on the ceiling, a heavy pipe curtain rod with heavy, thick curtains that can be pulled out to block the rock room from the workshop, build some wooden frames using 2x2” lumber and fill with fiberglass insulation…cover with some fabric, put a pillow or 2 in the bass drum to dampen it. Loved watching this building coming together!
Yeah the rest of the shop is acting like a giant speaker!
Two layers of sheet rock would help that back wall, too.
all of this will reduce reverberation and make the room sound better and achieve a theoretical maximum of 3dB reduction (practically ~1dB) which I agree would be super, but provides no reduction of sound transmission to their neighbour.
Loved the band at the end. Nice work.
the tennesee waltz was a nice touch at tyhe end well done all
Mass loaded vinyl. It comes in huge sheets as it is used in landscaping to dampen outdoor noise and in residential landscaping to block out freeway and train noise. It's jet black. I recommend putting it up and then putting a wooden screen over it. A slatted wooden screen helps the vinyl to be more sound absorbent and the wooden screen is actually quite good looking and cheap. Best of luck!
There are actually sound-deadening wooden acoustic panels (WPC Acoustic Panels) available.
MLV also comes in bright green.
A second layer of drywall with MLV or acoustic caulking sandwiched between the layers is an option too.
An interim sound damping idea, add curtains made of mover's blankets.
@@bcase5328 Yes. combination tactics work really well. As does adding a thinner inner wall lined with Rockwool's "Safe and Sound" acoustic insulation. Every layer dampens sound even more. It kinda depends on how much space you're willing to give up in the room.
@@lebotnov66 Oooh. Good idea. Thanks for turning me on to WPC Acoustic Panels, I hadn't known about them. I'm pretty sure our intrepid craftsman will mine the comments and come up with a good solution that suits him and his budget! 🙂
Mass loaded vinyl will attenuate sound hitting it but in a large room with a loudish sound-source the sound will escape through every nook and cranny. Thus big sheets of mass-loaded vinyl will have a very limited effect from outside listeners. The real solution would have been to consider soundproofing during the build, creating a 'room within a room' where the floor joists were isolated with neoprene or similar and the inner walls consisted of 2 layers of acoustic plasterboard (where the 2 layers have differing thicknesses) mounted on resilient bar. Looking at the size of the space it's definitely doable as an after-build project but it won't be easy and cheap. The best way forward would be to consult with an acoustician and get a set of recommendations for floor, walls and ceiling whereby an area of the space is completely enclosed in new materials. Once that's done they could play at full volume in the middle of the night and probably get away with it but with soundproofing it's a bit of an 'all or nothing' game. Putting dampening here and there isn't going to work effectively. They need to define an acoustic space, build a new set of walls around it (or modify the existing ones to have double-layered acoustic plasterboard on flexible mounts) and install a nested ceiling and floor.
loved the concert at the end. You are one blessed man
Scott raise the door header and raise the door one step with a extended landing into the space.
So the first tread is a platform that extends into the lower space?
Yes extend step to a landing.
That door shows the differences in building codes across the county. Here you have to have a 3x3 ft landing prior to or outside of any door
To avoid what is shown in the video.
@@michaeldalton8374 Landing needed here too, and I'm in Oregon like Scott. Different county though.
Our code is: landing has to be at least as wide as the stair width.
It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. Only a man with the highest integrity publishes a video which includes a reveal of his mistakes!!! I salute you!
Here are a few ways to possibly address the sound issues:
1) A 'big' problem with the music area being open to the shop is the fact that the shop and garage door are all hard surfaces, leaving any sound to bounce around freely. Containing the sound within the 'music' area would be important. Heavy curtains like those in theatres (I'm picturing a 'quadrant-shaped' curtain rod with the centre suspended from the workshop ceiling by cable) would help loads and perhaps (Though it might look 'different') a fold-out awning to cover the area above the quadrant? Otherwise, build a quadrant-shaped storage area, at least 8' off the shop floor, to extend the 'kids' area and hang retractable heavy curtains from that. This storage area could possibly be suspended from the rafters and the curtains could retract upwards. A 'soft' surface on the top or bottom of the 'deck' would be needed.
2) Cloth 'wall hangings' ( an interesting wool area rug perhaps?) on the walls would help with the sound. I only say 'wool' to give the vision of a little 'fluffiness' which does a better job than an industrial-type carpet.
3) You can also buy sound-deadening/absorbing tiles to do this. There are new variations, which have just come out, that do an excellent job of this. Optionally, an extra layer of drywall helps, or to boost its effect, add acoustic caulk between the layers. If you have any outlets/switches on the exterior wall, fill around them with acoustic caulking.
4) That door with the glass is perfect, except when they're playing music. A floor-to-ceiling curtain that can cover the door and its frame would help a lot.
5) You could turn to music specialists (Search in your browser) to find the best or most 'bang-for-the-buck' acoustic panels if you wanted the 'best' way to reduce sound escaping.
6) Adding thick and tall coniferous bushes (restrict the roots from the slab!) on the left and rear walls, when facing the shop garage door, will mitigate escaped sound volumes. Maybe the 'trough' style raised bed containers could be used? Be aware that cedar roots will eat into concrete eventually.
7) They could grow vines on the same two walls; however, I'm pretty sure you're aware of the issue the vine's 'tentacles' can cause. I once saw that someone had constructed a trellis, hinged at the bottom, and standing 1 foot off of the building, for the vines to grow on. Every year the trellis is swung away from the building to remove any meandering tenticles.
8) The last option, and least desirable, that I will mention is to remove the exterior siding and add an extra layer of sound-deadening insulation to the outside of the shop, at least on the two walls of the 'kids' area.
9) Which method is used all depends on the cost I would guess. Egg cartons mounted on the walls and ceilings would be the cheapest of all but they would need to be sprayed with fire retardent also.
***Note that the curtains in theatres are always treated with flame-retardant and I would suggest the same be done to any untreated cloth or carpet added to any surface in their shop, especially below or near the office.
The world needs more trombone. that was easy to listen to. And great job on the building. They're lucky to have you.
They're actually very good
Replace that trim touching the rock with PVC or Hardie material and no worry about rot
The end of this video was the best. It says who you and your family are.
The family concert was the icing on the cake.
Yep, Scott and Kelly, one sweet tune there. Dixie all the way!! Hope A. continues with his music!
How can anyone complain about the music? Great job and great music! :)
My grandfathers 2 favourite saying .. A man who hasn't made a mistake hasn't made a thing & if it can be made by hand it can be made just about anywhere.
Pattern maker then Engineer - Mathematician.
Between 1926-1965.
He was in America 1950's assissting ACI / AGM glass manufacturing.
My favorite rendition of a “All of Me” ever played!!
Awesome ending. Got some real talented people there 👍👍👍
Love it.
The E C Family Band is Great! more of that now. Bravo!
Love the family band. Put a smile on my face!
To make the neighbor happier, get the boys some in-ear monitors so the amp volumes can be greatly lowered! Or a Universal Audio (UA) OX reactive load box to get the same "crunch" that a cranked amp would have, but at much lower levels. I don't know what the UA stuff costs, but maybe it's less than adding enough sound deadening to the shop (without killing the sounds the boys are trying to get.
FANTASTIC CONCERT! As for sound deadening, maybe look into roll-up materials to hang on the two walls (and even above the door). And don't forget that the ceiling needs to be deadened too. Think of how an old vacuum Thermos bottle works by minimizing connection to the exterior. But whatever you do, don't give up on your jam sessions. Don't stop making those great memories.
I have enjoyed the shop build series and appreciated this wrap up. The concert at the end was joyful. I know you get great pleasure playing music with your family. The moment when your grandson joined in on the trumpet was special. I would love to se more of these musical interludes.
This old guy has some nice kids and some nice grandkids. very cool
Very Very Cool!!!! Especially the concert at the end!!! You’re truly blessed!!
Scott on extended block foundation add some retaining dry stack blocks to transition grade.
That was my first thought.
Thoroughly awesome family jazz band.
BRAVO!!! Encore, encore!
What a nice shop addition to their property. The best thing about it is the fact that Grandpa built it for his family to enjoy long after God calls. Thank you for sharing.
The concert at the end brought tears to my eyes...well done family!
Great music! Loved it...what a talented group!!!!!!!
Ah I just love that closing piece. Such a beautiful family. God bless you
Id listen to this music all the time.
When I was a teenage, we used "Egg Flats" for sound deading. They worked great, easy to install, paint any color and cheap too! "Keep up the good work"
I’m most impressed by the music. I love love love old big band style music.
WOW... the concert was The Best Part of this video!!! Great Job!!!
The sound isolation can be handled with mineral fiber insulation in between the studs. Cover the studs with rolled rubber roofing. attach RC1 resilent channel to the studs. Add two layers of drywall offsetting the joints. Make sure to surface mount the electrical with MC in that area as any holes in the walls defeat the gains from the other components. Also consider a headphone system for the players.
Keano??
Good ideas.
Add drainage mat between the layers of dw
What an ending! Excellent!
That’s awesome making more memories with your family cheers!
As I have stated with most anything I've built over the years, "mistakes were made". I'm the only one who can see them, but I know they're there.
Scott on the trombone... priceless, essential musician!
Love the wrap up with the famjam!
Best ending ever! 🙌🏽
What a wonderful thing to a family that "plays " togather.
Loved the concert at the end!
Very nice recap and showing all aspects, as usual awesome video with the final being the best music with family!!
Best You tube video ending Ever. The Garage looks good too.
Watching your family and your amazing set of skills gives me hope that America will remain "the shining light on the hill".
For the PVC exposed and connected to the gutter downspouts paint it gray to match the block. Won't even notice it.
Imagine our world if men like this ruled. What a place that would be.
Hindsight is 20/20! I think a few retaining boulders by the back corner would stop any build up or leaves or debris against the siding. The downspout issue is barely even an issue. I would probably go ahead and get Ben that taller door anyway, Not worth bonking your head again. Hospital bills are always more expensive than safety repairs!
Wait you didn’t say you’d be lead instrument. 🎉
When the second horn came in, awesome. Great family activity.
I love the ending!
Words to live by! Let's all work together and make this world a better place for our families and friends! The free music concert was the bonus:)
I cannot imagine walking away from that door mistake, and saying I might get back to it. Other than the cost of a taller door, it's really a pretty easy fix. If you visit often, it is going to drive you nuts looking at that thing.
No landing at the bottom of that stair, does not meet code in my area.
I hope you can hear me applauding all the way from Massachusetts! both for the magnificent job on the building and the jam season.
EFB!
Essential
Family
Band
Yay!
That’s a family heirloom building right there! Having the skills and the tools to build that for your family saves them a lot of money and is priceless
Something about music that holds a family close. Love it
What a swing at the end! Fantastic 😊😊😊
Heh! Thanks for the concert.
I've found that I tend to forget all those frustrating little mistakes after a couple of years, even going back and re-visiting the project. It's a great garage; well done.
Great job and what a blessing to help your family. Nice to see you all hanging and having a great time playing music
That ending was wonderful!!
Keep up the good work!!
You guys rock!!
One thing that could help with sound proofing your room is off set your studs so the vibrations can’t vibrate through the drywall to your stud connecting to the other side of the drywall! That’s how they frame most expensive music studios rooms!
Look for used office cubicle panels. Dad used them in his drum room and it acoustically dead.
Best outro ever.
Pretty talented family. We need more of this in the world
The shop turned out great. There are always gotcha's in the finished product. I worked mostly alone for many years and you always come to expect issue's you just cannot foresee. For the door, I'd bevel from the back of the stop to the trim at a 45* angle gaining 2-3" on the backside of the jamb, and raise the lockset a foot. For the glass, use wired glass, and that should be OK for a 1 hour rating, so in the future he does not need to worry about a code issue, had to that in S.F. for property line compliance.
The music ties everything together. Good work and beautiful family!
Fantastic concert!!! Genes don't lie!
Love the music section. Thanks so much. Now you are a cool old dude😊
Great family
Great Channel..
Great Video about the Shop.
Great concert at the end.
Thanks for all of it,, E.C. !!
Enjoy watching and appreciate the honesty.
I have a video request / idea. As a drafter I would love to know what makes for you as a builder effective plans. Eg how you like your dimensions what information you need what you do not, the preferred scale, perfered size of sheet. I find there is a disconnect between the builder and designers and the problem is we never ask just chirp when the plans aren't followed. I would love the opportunity to hear your thoughts!
Partridge Family 2.0 !! Nice work !
Wow that music is great!!
Thank you! Great work! Great concert! 👍
Wow! Great music to play off the video... likes me some banjo & fiddle.
Good work on the trumpet lad!
Love the music. Great shop. Would love to see what he's making in there. Any woodworking projects?
10:24 Sound isolation - saw a video where wall used 2x6 header and bass but 2x4 studs offset on each side so the studs never touched drywall to drywall. Building additional walls, air gaps, insulation, different densities can all help cut down the sound transfer.
Excellent shop and office. Also, I get the feeling that this family can do some great worship music sessions.
Nice shop, but the music making is really wonderful! Fantastic to see the whole family making music.
A great and useful space built with a lot of love and skill.. a wonderful asset and addition.. But, oh the band and music... beautiful... Priceless. Thank you.
Nice shop, most excellent music
Rockwool insulation in big wall and ceiling panels helps a huge amount with sound absorption. Putting them 45° across each corner of the room as well helps trap the low frequencies