GM - No Communication Class 2 network Troubleshooting U1064 U1300 U1301

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  • Опубліковано 4 січ 2019
  • 2008 GM with no communication on the class 2 network…
    Follow along as we go to another shop and we take the time to go over and diagnose this no com issue. Codes U1064 U1300 U1301
    This was a Case of perfect timing and being in the right place at the right time lol
    Hope you enjoy, Thanks for watching!!!
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  • @wysetech2000
    @wysetech2000 5 років тому +16

    Well done, Will. There was so much useful info in that video and you made it look simple to diagnose even though i know it wasn't. Keith is a great guy and is always willing to help.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +4

      wysetech2000 thank you:) you are right!! Took me way longer than this 30min video and this made jaws drop in that shop:)) was a good moment felt good.. not sure if they ever seen anything like this to be honest.. I just happened to be there.
      I wish I could have did this live it’s a moment I’ll remember forever along with everyone in the shop that night

    • @shannongarrison153
      @shannongarrison153 3 роки тому

      @@robinsonsauto I've to get the same thing done to my trailblazer soon but I live in kansas city mo who can fix it besides a dealer

    • @gabrielaustin940
      @gabrielaustin940 2 роки тому

      instablaster...

  • @justinirizarry8594
    @justinirizarry8594 3 місяці тому +2

    Just encountered this issue on my wife’s 06 trailblazer with the codes U1064 and U1016 along with B codes and and C codes. I’m hoping the computer isn’t taking a crap but watching this video gave me hope that it’s having communication issues. This video is pure gold! You explained everything clearly and with no confusion! You are an amazing tech! I am a mechanic but not on the scale you are! I’m just amazed at the skills you have! Thank you so much for giving back to everyone who may need guidance on these issues! Definitely earned a subscriber in me! Keep up the amazing content man! 🤙🏽

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  2 місяці тому

      Hope you were able to resolve your problem. thank you for the kind words and sub

  • @brockmeacham8670
    @brockmeacham8670 4 роки тому +2

    This is the best description and walk through on trouble shoot the network I've ever seen hands down. I've been to many classes that cover the network systems but never really understood it till this video!! Well done!!!!

  • @grandillusion4258
    @grandillusion4258 Рік тому +1

    Nice job. I spent 20 years in the GM/Delphi/Mahle Advanced Systems R&D Group and I run into dozens of guys that simply won't take the time to learn just a bit of electronics and LAN communications to help them figure this out. They show up in my driveway all the time because they won't buy a cheap scope and soldering iron. 99% of the time, as long as the Micro-Controller didn't get damaged, All of these modules can be fixed for a couple dollars and an hour of time. Best Wishes.

  • @peterphillips1493
    @peterphillips1493 Рік тому +2

    Hey man you just made me understand THE SYSTEM.I’ve been looking for this explanation for a while.now I’ve got to go fix a truck.thankyou so much.

  • @PaulysAuto
    @PaulysAuto 5 років тому +2

    This video is gold, thank you for putting this together and making it available for us! I found this video EXTREMELY HELPFUL & VALUABLE!

  • @surfer240sx
    @surfer240sx 5 років тому +13

    I subscribed to your channel a bit late in life. I just want to say your videos, including this one, shows Excellent troubleshooting tutorial/ diagnosis and repairs. You did this demo Without a breakout box ect.. shows how important having the proper wiring schematics and knowledge of how these systems interact. Keep up the good work!
    Side note * this is an example of how important it is for semi introverted people to become instructors. No nonsense straight and to the task at hand. (Slow clap to standing ovation)

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +4

      Mike Decarlo thank you so much for all the kind words and feedback!!!! Glad you found us~ means a lot reading feedback like this. It’s very motivating to me to say the least...
      thanks again

  • @nathanielezell7394
    @nathanielezell7394 Рік тому +3

    I subscribed just to comment.
    I’m having issues with communicatons on my 2006 Equinox. ABS/TSC lights. Also lose Electric Power Steering sometimes.
    I have a tool, like your Tech 2 tool, that reads like your video.
    Have similar error codes like this video.
    Watching you go through your video, and going step by step, makes an old car guy like me happy. Been working on cars all my life, and yours made looking for this issue… fun and endearing.
    Now I just need diagrams and pin outs like yours. Thanks for making this video!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  Рік тому

      Your welcome. Hope you get the issue resolved stay on touch

  • @PaulyD0859
    @PaulyD0859 5 років тому +2

    Will, it has been a pleasure to watch you grow and evolve over the past few years. The changes from where you began to where you are now are truly remarkable.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Paul E thank you for sticking around it means a lot~ I appreciate the feedback thank you :)

  • @daveconway8833
    @daveconway8833 3 роки тому +1

    Great training! I, in no way am a mechanic and you made this extremely easy to a layman to understand with logical processes of elimination and even discovered a couple shortcuts doing so. My 2000 deville spitting out similar trouble codes brought me here after battery change. Great video and these scan tools I'm sure are leagues above my analog Klein multi meter. Good stuff

  • @mikecont9742
    @mikecont9742 5 років тому +6

    Great diagnosis... Very informative.. The knowledge you gave us is invaluable.. Thanks for taking us along...

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      MIKE CONT thank you for the positive feedback!!!! Means a lot. Your welcome anytime!!

  • @billk5727
    @billk5727 5 років тому +4

    Thanks for sharing! So much work involved tracking down these kinds of failures, and fun all at the same time! Tammy is a big help with filming/editing.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Bill K you’re welcome anytime!! Wish it was as easy as it appears sometimes lol took way longer as you know:) but yes worth every minute

  • @jasonkeith674
    @jasonkeith674 9 місяців тому +1

    By far the best breakdown explanation with no filler and fluff. 🙏🙏
    Please come diagnose my 2016 Jeep GC 75th Anniv, NO Crank NO Start 🙏

  • @JimFixIt74
    @JimFixIt74 3 роки тому +1

    This is a great video. Thanks so much for making it. Really helps to mentor us that are trying to learn electrical systems in cars. Awesome job!

  • @EricCalebCullen
    @EricCalebCullen 3 роки тому

    Fantastic. I am highly trained on modern high and low CAN diagnosis and this still helped me understand single line communication diagnosis. Also it sounds like you are training Michael Shannon

  • @mikedavidson2117
    @mikedavidson2117 3 роки тому +1

    You handled the situation very patient and clear very professional

  • @ericcorse
    @ericcorse 5 років тому +6

    Well done Will and thanks for sharing. It always pays to know a guy.

  • @fire7765
    @fire7765 5 років тому

    Great logical diagnostic routine. Keith is the man for helping you out.

  • @emilioastello6117
    @emilioastello6117 3 роки тому

    Dude a million times thank you I have a duramax that I lost comm with the pcm, tcm ,gpcm and I was struggling checking all kinds of wires you just made this ten times easier for me to diagnose can buss issues.

  • @wyattoneable
    @wyattoneable 5 років тому +1

    This was a great video for me Will. I'm researching a intermittent crank/no start on a 2006 Dodge Ram truck. One of the many codes say it has a "no comm" but this truck doesn't have a CAN Bus system (pins 6 and 14) that my Hantek scope can read so I have to find a new approach. This helps. I'm hoping to get up there and hang out with Keith for a few days hoping some of his brain cells will rub off on me. Nice job on the video too. It was easy to follow along.

  • @elcheapo5302
    @elcheapo5302 5 років тому +6

    Will, you went all Keith on us! :D That was a fantastic, easy to follow explanation. One of my favorites. Thank you for posting this.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      lol this was a great time to say the least... Keith is one hell of a guy, I’m not sure how he dose this every day 💪
      Thank you for the compliment!!!

  • @bobgreene8016
    @bobgreene8016 2 роки тому

    Best troubleshooting video I've seen. Thank You Sir. Outstanding explanation and walkthrough. I could pull a 1st year student out and give him this video and they will lean more in the time of this video then a week in class. I'm subbed and sending everyone here to sub. Thank you once again.

  • @dstreetsavage4147
    @dstreetsavage4147 2 роки тому +4

    Thank you for this video, I have a 2006 trailblazer same motor and I’m getting a U1301 and now I know how to test everything thank you again, I work at a Buick gmc dealership working my way up from the bottom I’ve been in the automotive industry since I was 15 because my dad had his own shop so I am familiar with majority of issues but still need to learn how to diagnose properly and you just helped me get 1 step further, thank you so much

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  2 роки тому

      Your welcome! I hope this video helps guide you. I can relate to your story. Been chasing the same dreams from a child raised in my dads. Repair shop. Please share your progress I’d love to hear how you make out with this

  • @robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929
    @robinsonsmotorcycleandauto3929 5 років тому +4

    Great work Will always enjoy watching you work through the issues.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Thank you Mike!!! Your support means a lot

  • @Diagnosedan
    @Diagnosedan 5 років тому +6

    Great Video Will, enjoyed it. That combs make diagnosing the network alot easier, that's better than disconnecting every module one by one. Great design.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      DiagnoseDan Thanks Dan I appreciate your feedback👍 thanks got taken the time

    • @overload3996
      @overload3996 5 років тому +2

      I would have used a jump wire from module to class 2 connector while connector was disconnected to see if module problem, or other I\O , with other power connector connected. Powered.
      If power and I\O are on one connector , then i use jumpers.
      Bad-shorted I\O can pull a module down.

  • @roadkill5333
    @roadkill5333 5 років тому +4

    Nice job, Will! You got thrown in the deep end, all at once! Way to handle it!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      roadkill5333 thank you:) so glad I brought my swimming gear along 😁

  • @joodaye2492
    @joodaye2492 5 років тому +3

    u r a great teacher much respect for your expertise

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Jo O'Daye Thank you for the kind words!!! Means a lot

  • @gerardotorres8872
    @gerardotorres8872 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for this demonstration Boss.

  • @deeeeeeps
    @deeeeeeps Рік тому

    Wow I've been chasing wires and grounds for 3 days. This is will make it so much easier to find the problem! excellent video.

  • @robertferrara4529
    @robertferrara4529 5 років тому +7

    I just subbed. That was an excellent explanation of the bus and how to isolate a bad module that was taking out all the others. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      ROBERT FERRARA thank you 👍 I appreciate the sub and the positive feedback!!! Welcome:)

  • @tonyabrams6156
    @tonyabrams6156 5 років тому +1

    one of the best video i have seen great job i only wish that you would do more of these videos i was able to clearly understand everything you were saying except following the next splice connector

  • @AlanWarrington81
    @AlanWarrington81 3 роки тому

    just so you know people are still learning from this well made video

  • @h.camacho4800
    @h.camacho4800 4 роки тому

    A true professional, such dedication to the trade great watch

  • @brawdo
    @brawdo 8 місяців тому +1

    I like this video. Thank you for explaining IN DETAIL.

  • @HomieHektor
    @HomieHektor 5 років тому +4

    Now you’re taking thing ls to a New Level, Good one 🤙🏼

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      The Homie Hektor 💪👍 thank you!!!

  • @neverstoplearning382
    @neverstoplearning382 5 років тому +1

    The power of knowledge. Thanks for sharing. Great info.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      learningfromthebest now it’s a wonderful thing :) you’re welcome anytime!!! Thanks

  • @jeffthomas3295
    @jeffthomas3295 4 роки тому

    Great job with explaining everything. 👍🏻

  • @prospexican
    @prospexican 2 роки тому +2

    hi, what software from did u get the info for can bus splice location?

  • @juanhernandezdavila9413
    @juanhernandezdavila9413 2 роки тому

    thank you very much mr. to refresh my memory It is precisely what I was thinking of doing with the problem that I have in the car. Master, thanks for your help.

  • @gregjones8501
    @gregjones8501 3 роки тому

    Great video and explanation of Gm class 2 operation in real time!

  • @jth1699
    @jth1699 3 роки тому

    Very nice and informative video - especially since I have a no com no start to fix tomorrow...

  • @GeminiSeven43
    @GeminiSeven43 3 роки тому

    Awesome video and very informative. It's nice to see a step by step approach that takes novices like me through the process of elimination without just throwing parts at the problem.

  • @kdeh21803
    @kdeh21803 2 роки тому +1

    Immensely helpful.... I was working on a 2003 Silverado today with exactly the same problem.... the Alternator, ABS, and Airbag light were on and none of the gauges were reading.... the ALDL was giving no communication tho my scanners were coming on. Now tomorrow I will look into what the video has.....

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  2 роки тому

      Hope this helped out your situation? Thanks for sharing

  • @nicknicu1787
    @nicknicu1787 5 років тому +1

    Great case study Will! Thanks for sharing! 👍

  • @jeffreyherbert91
    @jeffreyherbert91 5 років тому +2

    Nicely done those splice points really help...good wiring diagrams are essential keep them coming

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      jeffrey herbert thank you for the compliments and feedback!! Will do

  • @scotsiain1970
    @scotsiain1970 5 років тому +1

    Meticulous and thorough. Excellent job.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      scotsiain1970 thank you for the compliment :)

  • @jcsaves9725
    @jcsaves9725 5 років тому

    Very informative, good stuff! Now to get all the equipment and access to the schematics and I’ll be good to go! 👍

  • @thebridge6967
    @thebridge6967 Рік тому

    Awesome, I have ground on class 2 date line I think I can find the culprit with this tremendously helpful video wish I had those tools!! Thanks!!

  • @BR_70
    @BR_70 4 роки тому

    Great find man, just went through something similar on a Silverado.

  • @High_Tech_Mountain
    @High_Tech_Mountain 5 років тому +1

    12 minutes in, awesome video so far. What a way to start the year lol! Thanks for sharing!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      Angel Garcia I’m glad you’re enjoying it so far 👍

    • @High_Tech_Mountain
      @High_Tech_Mountain 5 років тому

      Thanks for sharing. Awesome video! Thorough diagnostics, wish more vehicles had splice packs. & btw great diagnostic setup

  • @Automotive_Solutions
    @Automotive_Solutions 5 років тому

    Enjoyed this video. Some great learning points in there. Thanks.

  • @esmith836
    @esmith836 5 років тому +1

    Fantastic job! great to see you making videos!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      eric smith thank you I will keep them coming:)

  • @nobb1euk1
    @nobb1euk1 5 років тому +1

    Really enjoyed that, you are a good teacher 👌

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      nobb1euk1 thank you for the positive feedback:)

  • @MrsSunshine75
    @MrsSunshine75 5 років тому +1

    Most excellent video, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      MrsSunshine75 thank you for the kind words. Your welcome:)

  • @billyyoder8171
    @billyyoder8171 5 років тому +1

    Thank you Will. Good job. I appreciate your videos. Have a blessed and safe New Year to you and your family.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Billy Yoder your more than welcome!!! Wishing you all best as well

  • @kirkabrahamson1148
    @kirkabrahamson1148 5 років тому +1

    Very well explained. Thank you.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Kirk Abrahamson thank you for the compliment and feedback!!! It’s appreciated

  • @roxanneabbott8424
    @roxanneabbott8424 5 років тому

    Excellent step by step video!!!!

  • @dc5723
    @dc5723 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for another great diagnosis.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      RareDiamond Ching you’re welcome anytime!!!

  • @kennethbode2017
    @kennethbode2017 3 роки тому

    good job. I'm saving this in case my Trailblazer acts up.

  • @Humberto300zx
    @Humberto300zx 4 роки тому

    Great video. Thanks for posting

  • @JW-yf4gf
    @JW-yf4gf 5 років тому

    nice job - very helpful and informative, Thankyou!

  • @EXOVCDS
    @EXOVCDS 5 років тому +2

    Golden video! Thank you for posting / sharing the info!
    Happy New Year to you & yours!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Thomas EXOVCDS Thank you Thomas 👍 your welcome anytime!!
      Wishing the same for you

  • @OP-ik7qb
    @OP-ik7qb 5 років тому

    Thank you for such a great video. GOD bless you

  • @just1lifexx11
    @just1lifexx11 4 місяці тому +1

    Well, explained.. well done!!

  • @CarsExposed
    @CarsExposed 5 років тому +2

    I bet the customer was happy not to get a new alternator 😉... great diagnoses, very helpful those module ports cheers 👍

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +3

      Cars Exposed 😆 the best part was she was really understanding. She Watched everything real time!! I had a audience that night to say the least lol

  • @ronbaynes2755
    @ronbaynes2755 5 років тому +1

    Thanks Will. Have a great new year !

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      Ron Baynes your welcome and thank you!!!

  • @crystalrodriguez-criswell9492
    @crystalrodriguez-criswell9492 Місяць тому +1

    This is so valuable

  • @mello9631
    @mello9631 Рік тому

    thank you so much for making and sharing this video

  • @JesusMunoz-dw9ms
    @JesusMunoz-dw9ms 3 роки тому

    excellent job very helpful

  • @NoRegrets001
    @NoRegrets001 5 років тому +2

    Just went through this last week with a 98 Seville SLS. I just went through unplugging every module on the Class network until communication was restored. Found the VCIM as the culprit on that one as well. All modules aren't easy to get to so if it was a module that was in a difficult spot, this method would work best but I just got lucky I didn't have to go that far.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      Levon Collins that works as well 👍💪 like you mentioned some are hard to get at. that splice pack takes a minute. Getting to the fault is the end goal~with many ways to get there:) great job!!! Thanks for sharing

  • @Toys4Life
    @Toys4Life 3 роки тому

    Loved the video - THANK YOU!!

  • @feeneysmechanical6215
    @feeneysmechanical6215 5 років тому +2

    My favorite is when I get called to a shop to help them diagnose a problem and I don't even use my own diagnostic equipment. I use their equipment to help fix the problem.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      Greg J Feeney :) that’s a good feeling indeed

  • @1hlyGOD
    @1hlyGOD 5 років тому +1

    Great video...so upset it took me so long to finally watch.

  • @spelunkerd
    @spelunkerd 4 роки тому

    Nicely done, Will.

  • @markferraro5250
    @markferraro5250 5 років тому

    Nice job Will thanks

  • @flatratemaster
    @flatratemaster 5 років тому +1

    Nicely done Will!

  • @johnpappas2060
    @johnpappas2060 2 роки тому

    Bless What an AWESOME 👏 video. Thanks 😊

  • @gonzgarr1592
    @gonzgarr1592 5 років тому +1

    great video with lots of info thanks

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      gonz garr thank for god the compliment and feedback

  • @ricepadi29
    @ricepadi29 3 роки тому

    Super impressive for sure.

  • @RaWoodgett
    @RaWoodgett 2 роки тому

    found a shorted power window module! great info! thanks!

  • @markhuyette8509
    @markhuyette8509 Місяць тому +1

    God bless you have a blessed day today 🙏

  • @peterphillips1493
    @peterphillips1493 Рік тому +1

    Excellent.your the master tech.thanks again for the insight

  • @mauricioquintero7199
    @mauricioquintero7199 Рік тому

    thanks for sharing your knowledge., thumbs up 👍

  • @robertmullen2480
    @robertmullen2480 5 років тому +1

    Thanks Will very good video!

  • @debrajohnson4871
    @debrajohnson4871 5 років тому

    Tks u r easy to follow

  • @jamesbruno5896
    @jamesbruno5896 5 років тому +1

    Awesome video Will! Happy new year Bro! 👍

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      James Bruno thank you!!! Wish you the same

  • @annierenard5954
    @annierenard5954 3 роки тому

    excellent video thank you

  • @marioelias3086
    @marioelias3086 3 роки тому

    Thanks it was a great class. I learned a lot , you should teach a class of automotive 👍🏻

  • @orville58
    @orville58 5 років тому +1

    tons of info thank you

  • @justinneudecker3394
    @justinneudecker3394 4 роки тому

    Love the video have an 05 Tahoe first started out with the seat driver seat not working.but I noticed if I use the memory seat buttons on the door panel the seat moves now says airbags not working

  • @MrHottroddx1
    @MrHottroddx1 4 роки тому

    Sweet very informative!!!!

  • @RJMaker
    @RJMaker 5 років тому +1

    Fantastic. Thank you.

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому

      RJ_Make thank you!! And your welcome anytime

  • @bartscave
    @bartscave 5 років тому +1

    Good Job Will.

  • @entertainmentbrothers2851
    @entertainmentbrothers2851 2 роки тому

    Well done tanks you great master

  • @JesusMunoz-dw9ms
    @JesusMunoz-dw9ms 4 роки тому +1

    very interesting thankyou

  • @j.r.3330
    @j.r.3330 5 років тому +1

    Great job.

  • @apythonprogrammer7877
    @apythonprogrammer7877 2 дні тому

    I know this is an old video, and I'm not even sure if the information I have is correct, but isn't the datalink supposed to have pin 6 populated? The service manual at Operation CHARM states that the rendezvous communicates via high speed GMLAN and the class 2 network, and it mentions:
    Home >> Buick Truck >> 2005 >> Rendezvous FWD V6-3.4L VIN E >> Repair and Diagnosis >> Powertrain Management >> Computers and Control Systems >> Relays and Modules - Computers and Control Systems >> Body Control Module >> Description and Operation >> Data Link Communications
    The data link connector (DLC) is a standardized 16 cavity connector. Connector design and location is dictated by an industry wide standard, and is required to provide the following:
    - Scan tool power battery positive voltage at terminal 16
    - Scan tool power ground at terminal 4
    - Common signal ground at terminal 5
    - Class 2 signal at terminal 2
    - GMLAN High Speed + circuit at terminal 6
    - GMLAN High Speed - circuit at terminal 14
    I got excited for a moment and double checked, and unfortunately female pin 6 was not populated, and there were only 4 female pins and 4 wires (battery, ground, ground, and class 2 signal)

  • @mastermechanicfelipe4641
    @mastermechanicfelipe4641 4 роки тому

    lots of great technical information, great video, subed and liked.

  • @sugarwalker89
    @sugarwalker89 3 роки тому

    Great Job!!!!

  • @gmsonly5087
    @gmsonly5087 5 років тому +6

    Nice find! Can I make a few suggestions? I use a DMM to pin 2 at the DLC. I use a BOB, but you said you didn't have that. What is that reading? Remove the splice pack and check the individual circuits. That would have taken you to JX306 and do the same. I'm not looking for any specific voltage, but I want to see activity. When you got to CK 1098 you would have seen the VCIM pulling Class 2 to ground. Make sense?
    Another tip you may, or may not find useful - on the Tech 2 the "left & right" arrow buttons take you up or down a full 'page'. It saves a little time instead of using the up & down buttons.
    Nicely done video!

    • @robinsonsauto
      @robinsonsauto  5 років тому +1

      GM's ONLY thank you for your feedback and advice!! Yes makes perfect sense 👍💪 great approach that will save time for sure!