Snipe didnt even say what the viewer claimed he did, he said Raven was agreeing with him in the particular instance and Snipe isnt even wrong. Yet Hal takes what 1 viewer says and gets super defensive over it. Multiple things can be true at once. Hal did make a call that wasnt listened too, Hal did throw by not waiitng and healing after being knocked, and Raven was agreeing with Hal and not calling Hal out for his own misplay.
What if? What if? What if? That fight should of been over when he called the rat under, it’s a pro team REPS AND VERL should of been by his side and it would of been over but o well I think the shittalk it’s getting in their heads maybe
@@majimbuumx9711 Hal is incredible but everyone can see he was in an ego battle here. My only problem I've ever had with Hal is that I've never heard him say "that was my fault guys". He probably has, I just haven't seen it yet.
@@Nemesisxv2 tbh I see it all the time. his go to is "i fucked that up" but since they never argue after that its not as memorable, my theory on it anyway lol
I don't blame him, it's like 2 people trying to explain to him grass is blue. He called out perfectly where the solo was and got him weak then they still got 1v3'd by a guy with 0 bullets
@@ortega9156 Lol they didn't even say anything bad. All they said was Hal trolled that and Raven had Hal's dick in his mouth which he did. He can dish it but can't take it. Hal is one of those people who has never been punched in his face and it shows lol. He's way too comfortable with talking crazy to people and about people. With that said he also pushed a player with purple armor without comming it and died for free. Raven never mentioned that tho.
@Fjerid lol. Hal was right for once and he still gets hated on. Oh look we lost a 3v1 cuz Evan turned around to the gondola when hal called the guy was ratting 😂
i just want to say one thing to people trying to defend Hal is that if this was the big ALGS tournament Hal wouldn't have push there with 80 HP because he know that isn't the right play .. he could have use that last syringe and then push, he just refuse to accept he make a mistake because his ego is too big
@@wltaloof3747 Hal was right about the first push, they should've been with him. But his comms weren't to push it was just they went south. Maybe they are that well connected, but that's not a clear push comm imo. Hal's initial outburst wasn't as bad as when I heard it live. He was actually pretty calm at first until he didn't see them move. The rest of the fight was a throw by Hal. He literally commented about Nickmercs for doing a similar thing. Pushing when his teammate was 1 HP and trying to heal.
@@cyber1c632 Isn't that what I literally said? Just bc they would've won the fight initially doesn't mean you compound the mistake with another one. They could've still won the engagement if Hal didn't throw that fight. It was a 2v1 and instead of waiting Hal took a 1v1, took a ton of damage the first exchange, then re-peaked on 25 HP. Both things can be true...
Raven was talking about the first time Hal got downed when they were looking for the rat. Hal called that they were going south before he started going down where he got downed by the rat. In that moment Hal is right, they should have been following him. After that Hal is wrong with pushing solo with low health on a guy with purple armor while his teammates were resing. He turned a realistic 3v1 to a disadvantaged 1v1 for Evan.
sure but Hal shouldn't have gone down by the rat. He played it terribly. I bet even if they were with him he'd still get knocked. And the solo could have fled.
The calls for the rat were too quick. When Hal said he might be under me, he instantly fell and got fried. He didnt wait to see if anyone was with him for the drop. I see that as his fault. He is just comm’ing that the rat is MAYBE under and then he instantly gets fried after that because he dropped solo. He should’ve been like, the rat IS under me, I need you guys here for the drop.
@@ishtyleretienne36it’s definitely a disadvantage if you watch the 1v1 and the angles each player had, big e was on the lower angle and because they were both weaving on the downed player the player on the higher ground would of had a bigger hit box to shoot because of the angle, big e was at a big disadvantage. I think evan should have forced that 1v1 out into the open he would have had a better chance to clutch it there. But in hindsight he would of just ran up there to assist Hal and by the time he realised he wasn’t gonna be able to win that 1v1 from that position he tried to move into the open but it was too late.
bruh twitch chat instigated so hard but hal gotta be smarter than that. He just started shit talking his friends when they didnt even say anything warranting that, basically doing what his tweet said other people were doing
how do u die like 3 times pushing each time with less health not comm for everyone to help find the rat push a dude with purple die again and then blame the others
riiiight but who are you bruv? How you playing these days? I'm just wondering bruv. How many championships have you won? You don't have any idea why or how Hal played that. You seen what you saw sure but you don't understand it. LOL
The timing on Hal’s call left no time for them to walk together. He called it out and then instantly dropped by himself and then got fried. They were looking for the rat because of Hal’s call and then he said the rat is going south and then he instantly dropped into the rat. He should’ve waited a second to make sure they were with him on the drop.
@@ahvyondrake4271 Fr, as he dropped he comm’ed he was underneath. Shouldn’t have dropped. In defense of Hal, maybe they should’ve been hard following him, but they were all looking for the rat and Hal got into one of those modes where he is just thinking out loud, not really making a call. He should’ve waited to drop if he was sure they were there. Hal just kept getting knocked for free and complaining in the comms. That’s why Evan get heated because Hal will always rage when he dies for free and then he complains no one is playing right. Hal has to admit he gets tunnel vision too. Like, comm that we drop together. Don’t just say he is under me and instantly challenge with 75 health and shield. You have to see where they lost the advantage, and Hal got fried on a drop that should’ve been done with at least two people
finally !! a valid opinion , an he jus keeps goin on and on about how he was right without taking any accountability , soon jordan and evan are gonna have enough of his attitude , js watch an see .
@@noahbsanders13 nah, I think jordan and Evan are the only people willing to stick it out because they are really mature individuals. They always resolve the animosity. Only reason they don’t play together is if someone says something they REALLY shouldn’t have but it usually doesn’t get to that point
hal walking up on purple with 50 shield and 20hp while evan rezzes reps is the problem. hal didn’t try to get behind cover, just right behind an enemy knock while the last dude was on the door. He could’ve played the head peak on the bin and held out til reps que, but ego pushed that and paid the price.
yep, he's doing the exact thing he's blaming them for doing lmao. taking a twitch chatter's word for what someone else is saying is always a bad idea. that dude just invented a narrative to make hal upset and then hal took it at face value even though he's friends with the people who were allegedly talking shit, so instead of checking for what was actually said about him he just immediately goes into talking shit back
The first down knock was understandable the second he didn’t full heal then pushed and dropped off height without calling to push then he pushes by himself again and looks at the guy for 1-2 sec and lets him just run out to push them before shooting at him the dies not using a heady and ego shooting. Most of the time I back Hal but not on this one.
Hal is a firm believer in “the ends justify the means”. He’s the most successful apex player of all time, and he somehow think that that procludes him from any criticism. Also comical to say Nocturnal hasn’t done shit in Apex when he is one of the very few who has had a successful career in pro apex.
I didn't hear the part where he called out to push with him, or when he mention that he's dropping low ground. Am I Missing something? Because this was completely on Hal.
Exactly! Hal said “wait he’s under me” and then dropped solo. The whole team was looking for the rat, that’s why they stayed on high ground. If Hal comm’ed, “the rat is under me, push with me on this drop” then that’s clear enough for them to be together. Hal was in a mode where he was just thinking out loud; he never made a call to stick with me. Only reason if it’s not Hal’s fault is if there is a precedent where they said whenever there is a rat, we just hold hands and follow Hal. Hal should’ve never dropped if he thought the rat was there
Raven does not dick ride hal. He has been constantly shitting on hal and defending jordan and evan if you actually watch the tournaments and scrims. Raven has his own opinion and he feels secure about his job. He does not feel the need to support hal all the time. Did you not see Lan. Raven and hal were literally screaming at each other. They have mutual respect.
People forget about the time Raven forced Hal onto Catalyst and Hal was whining fir an entire week. (This was right before CAT META when Aurora was the only team in the world running her in ALGS)
You literally win that fight if you do EITHER of the two choices, sit back and heal up/get ammo or 3 man push to finish them. The only way you lose is if you do option C 1 man push while the others heal and look for ammo. The one thing that makes Hal and Raven right, is he's the igl and you need to listen to him because you shouldn't want 3 igls just whenever
Bro just points out who’s wrong or what they could have done differently then tells them to stop arguing half the time idk why people are freaking out maybe they need content back in Apex😂
@@Cozzyhart I don't think you understand the definition of ego, he calls verhulst and reps the best controller and MnK players in the game, but when they make a mistake they don't wanna be wrong against a guy with anger issues. He also defended snipe and said he's better than Frex, but snipe shits on Hal any chance he gets.
@@ortega9156 I definitely understand the definition of EGO!! And his ego made him challenge with NO FUCKING SHEILD 😑😑 I have well over 4K hours played! Hal fucked up! im not arguing with anyone on this topic 💯 don’t try to hard with being a internet professor talking about “idk the definition”..
It’s situations like these that light a fire in TSM and motivate them to another victory. Ive been watching TSM long enough to know that the road is never easy for them but they somehow always manage to stay on top. Haters would be wise to just keep silent.
If i was hal i could've just killed the crawling downed guy swap armor and hold a position for my team to fully recover. That was the most basic thing to do to keep the whole team alive.
@@brayanarmenta18 he can bait that also man even with that small amount of ammo he can literally turn shoot once then wait for a response from the enemy at the door thats basic apex i always believe that its repz carrying his ass in critical thinking during games than him carrying his team he is always the deadweight
But fr though, in all that chaos, why isn't Hal asking if anyone has med or phoenix once it became a 2v3? Why not full heal or at least get to a point where you won't get 1 clipped.
Hal straight up arguing against himself. Nobody said anything about this being the reason why they win or lose, its pretty obvious raven is backing Hal rn despite having made a bad play this time. It's almost like you can still win despite making mistakes. Winning doesnt somehow make all your mistakes become part of your game winning strat.
Raven understands positioning, he doesn’t understand how to be a good fragger Hal needs to start doing research before running his mouth man is very good at making himself look like a clown
Hal is fault-proof. Even when Hal is dead wrong he it CANNOT BE his fault..he resorts to overall winnings as a weight in an argument its hilarious. Hal pushed a purple with no hp..nothing to talk about.
The reason Raven brought up Evan not pushing with Hal first is because Evan brought it up. When Evan immediately started yelling about that after the game ended, it immediately brought it to the conversation. Not saying Hal is right here, but it’s not like Raven immediately jumped on Evan. Evan brought it up. Also worth noting that TSMs philosophy for. Infests is to always try to run them down. Once they have a numbers advantage they’re gonna always push as quickly as possible, which is another reason why Hal might’ve been expecting them to push
That’s the only way Hal is right. If there is a precedent that if there’s a rat, then we stay together and follow Hal. For me, Hal should’ve never dropped because it is essentially a positioning error unless it is clearly comm’ed that we push low ground together. He was just relaying information thinking Evan and reps were attached to his hip. They were looking for the rat when Hal called it. As Hal comm’ed the rat is underneath him, he was already dropping in. No comm to say we drop together. IMO, Hal needs to admit he got tunneled. Evan just told him to shut up because he doesn’t want to hear raging in the comms when they are still in the fight.
Hal is lucky Reps and Verhulst have calm nerves. No matter how much you win, eventually the attitude wears on you. But you can generally see its creeping on Verhulst because he's becoming more vocal about it.
It doesn't matter. Hal will be successful, no matter what team he decides to create. Can we say the same for Reps? I can see Evan staying on top with another good team. But that's not a sure thing. Hal could poach and pay out a contract to literally anyone. Imagine Hal leading a team with Crylix and Monsoon. Or poaching other pros like Koyful,Effect,Genburton ect. The CEO power is endless!!
@@onlyonered3242Hal is good but I don't see him winning with other people. Its not just about putting good players together to win. You need to form the right synergy. Other teams have great players but they just don't play as well together.
@@onlyonered3242 this is the stupidest shit i have ever read in an apex thread. I'm a hal fan, and i still think you are mentally fried. Reps is the best support player in the entirety of apex, and hal and evan, are only able to do so well, because HE enables them to do so. You literally know nothing about comp apex at all lol and you saying the word "monsoon" like he isnt the most washed player in the whole apex scene is wild to me. lmao get a grip
funny as hell that Raven went to Hals defense after Evan called out Hal, Hal was silent because he knew he was in the wrong and then Raven came in to white knight lmao
If its 3v1 it doesn’t matter if Hal is low health & adversary has purple armor & this is why the people who comment on it like Hal said don’t ever do anything Apex
No can’t respect someone who is disrespectful! What world do you live in? Lemme guess silver spoon ass kid think they can say and talk to people however they want!
Bruh the way Hal talks is what happens when you’re successful, definitely not saying he’s successful I’m just saying that’s what people do they become self centered
The issue is there are 2 IGL here, Evan is reluctant to listen while Hal expect his team to back him up. This explains Hal's aggressive move during fights as clearly they were in the advantage with 3v2. Raven is just there to listen to the IGL, as simple as that. When there is a teammate that refuse to listen, Hal wanted to go aggressive while Evan play defensive, this will happen. Make it seem as though Hal solo pushed but in actual fact he wanted his team to be with him and push together.
@@Silverlined_69 I wouldn't discredit your point here, Hal definitely should have taken a step back to access the whole situation of Evan not willing to listen. This whole bad play wouldn't happen if Evan do his part of listening to the IGL in the first place. I'm seeing more in terms of the history of TSM. When there is 2 IGL in the team, it will create conflicting decision-making and that is the reason why Albralelie left back in 2020; He didn't enjoy playing comp with Hal and Jordan since he have a tendency to IGL and it doesn't make any sense to continue in TSM for him.
If you're wondering why Hal was quick to snap back, I remember Noc calling all TSM fans awful humans and Hal bad in particular for doing what all pros & fans do-talk shit. Noc calls teams dogshit the same way members of TSM, Furia, NRG etc. would after run ins. And fans would appear in each others chats and spam in ALGS main chat like fans do. But Noc found a way to excuse himself and everyone else, singling out Hal & TSM in a passive aggressive way. That's what Hal means when he calls Noc a victim.
Even if he said go south, he might as well have been headshot with a kraber he died so fast. At that point, you have to abandon your push to reset and recalibrate.
It’s smart to be patient and just HOLD here, but Hal pushes because he’s frustrated from the first fight and said fuck it. It doesn’t take ALGS championship experience to know he made a bad play. Then he starts rambling about what he’s done in the past like it means he’s right here lol
I don’t get what’s so complicated. Hal was right, got tilted, Evan tilted, everything after that was pretty irrelevant. Raven is only defending Hal’s argument on the first push. I think all 4 of them know Hal threw immediately after tilting. I feel like any argument around Hal having to say specifically to drop or chase or him healing is completely brain dead. I think Hal is upset because they know they should be hunting that solo down immediately and that Hal is going to do so and lead it.. no one following him is on them not the IGL. Hal is not a micro manager and a lot of TSM works because everyone is expected to know what they are doing and to follow Hal. Clearly Hal expected them to understand to listen to him if he’s talking about the solo and to follow. I think raven also agrees that the boys should have been listening to the calls and not looking for the solo where he isn’t or just holding space, which is why he sides with Hal about the principle of how they handled the 3v1. Hal basically got baited by his team there due to confusion. The argument has nothing to do with the plays after that or if there was specific enough comms or not or even if Hal should have healed. The point is Hal didn’t heal or call to stabilize, the call was to get the solo.. not only that I believe the reason Hal is tilted and raven agreed is because I believe Hal expects that he would not get baited on a 3v1 solo rat push even if they boys were completely silent with no comms. Hal basically got baited because the team either didn’t trust Hal knowing where the rat was, or simply weren’t paying enough attention in their search for the rat to hear or see Hal is calling a direction and making a push.
As much as they have been successful at LAN they can actually f@ck up an individual play when getting contested every game. They didn't play that very well together at all and then proceeded to trigger Big E when he needed to focus, just needed to slow it down a tad and get that reset instead of pushing solo multiple times. Flexing previous success suggesting for others to stay in lane and can never be wrong because of that success is a bit much. It's fair for other pros to call out a missplay and call it how they see it just trigging Hal in the process hence the venom.
Hal comes from a position of being the most decorated apex player in the game. He comes from a position of success. People can sit here and chirp about it all they want but a fuckin greenie can't tell a journeyman how he should've did his job. In this case, Snip3 and Noc... coming from positions of being cut from their respective orgs are the greenies.
@@CruelWorld-c9b lol that's why Is a comment section lol I can type whatever the fuck I want lol you want a reward from Hal? We are going to tell him that a random fucking user just defended the whole controller pros in Apex lol something else random?
You can always argue if what Hal did is the right or wrong play, that's why I understand people that side with Snipe's argument. But to say that Raven is riding Hal is just salty trash talk and Snipe is deff cringe for that
I’m on Evan side , I’d res first before chasing over a solo kus if they kill that guy while the solo is just running and a third party comes before or during the res than their dead js ,,,, Hal and raven buggin on that
I'm glad Snipe and Noc sided with Evan because when I was watching I thought it was odd. Him and Hal were right but I don't think a coach should be exacerbating internal issues between players like that. But what do I know? I'm no pro player.
Hal’s response proves why his maturity is his biggest challenge. Between not owning up to his shitty decisions to freaking out on his team on numerous occasions, this dude needs to get in touch with his emotions. Let alone he bashes everyone tenfold when he receives criticism on how he acts. Dudes ego is gonna get checked hard af if he keeps it up
Y’all tripping. Hal was right. He called out the guy, cracked him, and they didn’t even drop to help. Are they supposed to let that guy live? Then what, he gets the reset and now it’s a 3v3 or a 2v3 when you can just get it over with? Plus Evan and reps were full health
For context the victim card part and end he’s definitely referring to nocturnal not snipe, the way this video is set up ain’t showing that. He knows noc is gonna cry whine on his stream.
Bro I could be TSM coach.. it's a useless job when u have 2 of the best players all time in my opinion. Hal is defending his friend but knows it's true he agrees with hal always. They would still have the wins without him. It's the equivalent of when Byron Leftwich was Tom Bradys QB coach in Tampa. Literally the most useless job.
Lost some respect for Hal. Dudes a winner but he doesn’t know when to stfu and take a l. Move on you did a wrong play and it’s rare. That’s why he wins a lot.
Raven getting soft. Could you imagine going to work and someone talks to you like that? Super disrespectful. Hal looks for a reason he was right every time.
Hal has some dire mental health anger issues, screaming, name out calling is unhealthy social behavior and 100% unnecessary- I hope he gets the help he deserves.
All these dudes are getting right over Hal playing aggressive when that’s how he got his name lmao obviously Hal is toxic but that’s who he’s been the whole time I don’t think Evan takes it personal anyway
I love the twitch chat instigation 😭 Hal talking shit about noc and snipe without even knowing what they said is so braindead
Twitch chat pulling el classico.
No no no he always knows what he's talking about do you really think he says anything without thinking first like the people he was making fun of 😂😂
Any publicity is good publicity. More views for apex love it
Hal is brain dead
that’s exactly what noc said 😂
Snipe didnt even say what the viewer claimed he did, he said Raven was agreeing with him in the particular instance and Snipe isnt even wrong. Yet Hal takes what 1 viewer says and gets super defensive over it.
Multiple things can be true at once. Hal did make a call that wasnt listened too, Hal did throw by not waiitng and healing after being knocked, and Raven was agreeing with Hal and not calling Hal out for his own misplay.
snipe did say the he was choking on hal dick tf lmao
What if? What if? What if? That fight should of been over when he called the rat under, it’s a pro team REPS AND VERL should of been by his side and it would of been over but o well I think the shittalk it’s getting in their heads maybe
@majimbuumx9711 are you having a stroke, my guy?
@@majimbuumx9711 Hal is incredible but everyone can see he was in an ego battle here. My only problem I've ever had with Hal is that I've never heard him say "that was my fault guys". He probably has, I just haven't seen it yet.
@@Nemesisxv2 tbh I see it all the time. his go to is "i fucked that up" but since they never argue after that its not as memorable, my theory on it anyway lol
Snipe stating facts with "Raven is literally gagging right now, not sure how he is even able to talk" 😂
I read that simultaneously as it played in the vid 🤣
lmao Hal immediately trying to insult Snipe and Noc instead of addressing their point CEO of Ad Hominem
Everyone has opinions till Hal slaps them with a championship
hal got defensive af fast lmfaoo
I don't blame him, it's like 2 people trying to explain to him grass is blue. He called out perfectly where the solo was and got him weak then they still got 1v3'd by a guy with 0 bullets
@@ortega9156 maybe droping down into a wide open area doesnt help. Maybe tell the others to push with him instead of saying "i think he went south".
@@ortega9156 Lol they didn't even say anything bad. All they said was Hal trolled that and Raven had Hal's dick in his mouth which he did. He can dish it but can't take it. Hal is one of those people who has never been punched in his face and it shows lol. He's way too comfortable with talking crazy to people and about people. With that said he also pushed a player with purple armor without comming it and died for free. Raven never mentioned that tho.
Yeah what else do you expect from Hal. Hal the little kid who is never wrong.
@Fjerid lol. Hal was right for once and he still gets hated on.
Oh look we lost a 3v1 cuz Evan turned around to the gondola when hal called the guy was ratting 😂
i just want to say one thing to people trying to defend Hal is that if this was the big ALGS tournament Hal wouldn't have push there with 80 HP because he know that isn't the right play .. he could have use that last syringe and then push, he just refuse to accept he make a mistake because his ego is too big
Because it wouldnt hv mattered if all 3 were moving tgt.
@@wltaloof3747 Hal was right about the first push, they should've been with him. But his comms weren't to push it was just they went south. Maybe they are that well connected, but that's not a clear push comm imo. Hal's initial outburst wasn't as bad as when I heard it live. He was actually pretty calm at first until he didn't see them move.
The rest of the fight was a throw by Hal. He literally commented about Nickmercs for doing a similar thing. Pushing when his teammate was 1 HP and trying to heal.
@@brianbanes8494maybe he wouldn't have thrown if they won the 3v1 lol
Instead Mr Eval is turning the other way
@@cyber1c632 Isn't that what I literally said? Just bc they would've won the fight initially doesn't mean you compound the mistake with another one. They could've still won the engagement if Hal didn't throw that fight. It was a 2v1 and instead of waiting Hal took a 1v1, took a ton of damage the first exchange, then re-peaked on 25 HP.
Both things can be true...
He literally drop in front of enemy with no cover instead of dropping behind cover we’re he got res again . He a idiot .
Well that pressed some buttons lmao
hal went in so fast didn’t even fact check it 😭
Raven was talking about the first time Hal got downed when they were looking for the rat. Hal called that they were going south before he started going down where he got downed by the rat. In that moment Hal is right, they should have been following him. After that Hal is wrong with pushing solo with low health on a guy with purple armor while his teammates were resing. He turned a realistic 3v1 to a disadvantaged 1v1 for Evan.
not really disadvantaged for big E as he has a Cat q laid down. He should not have lost but he cant win them all. Agree with everything else tho
sure but Hal shouldn't have gone down by the rat. He played it terribly. I bet even if they were with him he'd still get knocked. And the solo could have fled.
The calls for the rat were too quick. When Hal said he might be under me, he instantly fell and got fried. He didnt wait to see if anyone was with him for the drop. I see that as his fault. He is just comm’ing that the rat is MAYBE under and then he instantly gets fried after that because he dropped solo. He should’ve been like, the rat IS under me, I need you guys here for the drop.
Yes, thank you
@@ishtyleretienne36it’s definitely a disadvantage if you watch the 1v1 and the angles each player had, big e was on the lower angle and because they were both weaving on the downed player the player on the higher ground would of had a bigger hit box to shoot because of the angle, big e was at a big disadvantage. I think evan should have forced that 1v1 out into the open he would have had a better chance to clutch it there. But in hindsight he would of just ran up there to assist Hal and by the time he realised he wasn’t gonna be able to win that 1v1 from that position he tried to move into the open but it was too late.
Raven doesnt want to bite the hand that feeds him, considering his career is over after TSM.
The heck I've been watching Hal streams and most of the time they are arguing
Great plays are never praised as much as bad plays are criticized.
That's so true
Right 8 out of 10 plays hal and team pull off a coordinated squad wipe and shit on everyone
It’s more of him not owning his own bad play then anything. The fact that raven agreed with Hal is insanity.
@@shadowmakerfps3853 Yet his teamamtes should go with hal
bruh twitch chat instigated so hard but hal gotta be smarter than that. He just started shit talking his friends when they didnt even say anything warranting that, basically doing what his tweet said other people were doing
how do u die like 3 times pushing each time with less health not comm for everyone to help find the rat push a dude with purple die again and then blame the others
He’s a diva
raven knows without hal his name disappears. hal played that whole last minute terribly from multiple angles .
riiiight but who are you bruv? How you playing these days? I'm just wondering bruv. How many championships have you won? You don't have any idea why or how Hal played that. You seen what you saw sure but you don't understand it. LOL
@@Lee-hy8ii how did you manage to get on Hal’s balls like this with raven already there?… bruv. Just wondering bruv
@@Lee-hy8ii bruv your riding skills is insane keep gaging
It’s so funny cos hal always has something to say when it’s others but he’s big mad when it’s him
Hal and taxi could never be a true team thats for sure😂 both of them are too stubborn and taxi is more childesh
@@Violate.. that's not very funny
@@ryanolsen294 it wasn't a joke wtf lmaooo
The timing on Hal’s call left no time for them to walk together. He called it out and then instantly dropped by himself and then got fried. They were looking for the rat because of Hal’s call and then he said the rat is going south and then he instantly dropped into the rat. He should’ve waited a second to make sure they were with him on the drop.
FUCKING THANK U SOMEONE SAID IT.
He dropped before he even said some one is under. Wasn’t even a call to push
@@ahvyondrake4271 Fr, as he dropped he comm’ed he was underneath. Shouldn’t have dropped. In defense of Hal, maybe they should’ve been hard following him, but they were all looking for the rat and Hal got into one of those modes where he is just thinking out loud, not really making a call. He should’ve waited to drop if he was sure they were there. Hal just kept getting knocked for free and complaining in the comms. That’s why Evan get heated because Hal will always rage when he dies for free and then he complains no one is playing right. Hal has to admit he gets tunnel vision too. Like, comm that we drop together. Don’t just say he is under me and instantly challenge with 75 health and shield. You have to see where they lost the advantage, and Hal got fried on a drop that should’ve been done with at least two people
finally !! a valid opinion , an he jus keeps goin on and on about how he was right without taking any accountability , soon jordan and evan are gonna have enough of his attitude , js watch an see .
@@noahbsanders13 nah, I think jordan and Evan are the only people willing to stick it out because they are really mature individuals. They always resolve the animosity. Only reason they don’t play together is if someone says something they REALLY shouldn’t have but it usually doesn’t get to that point
hal walking up on purple with 50 shield and 20hp while evan rezzes reps is the problem. hal didn’t try to get behind cover, just right behind an enemy knock while the last dude was on the door. He could’ve played the head peak on the bin and held out til reps que, but ego pushed that and paid the price.
Nothing that snipe said was even bad lol, chat stirring shit up.
hal mad at someone for having an opinion on something when they don’t know the full situation… is kinda ironic 💀
yep, he's doing the exact thing he's blaming them for doing lmao. taking a twitch chatter's word for what someone else is saying is always a bad idea. that dude just invented a narrative to make hal upset and then hal took it at face value even though he's friends with the people who were allegedly talking shit, so instead of checking for what was actually said about him he just immediately goes into talking shit back
It's called narcissism, Im predicting TSM won't do good next LAN
Hal definitely played that bad right there it’s definitely his fault he went down those two last times
Nope. Is this some play stuck mentality??
@@Aesirskal sorry I don’t understand I only speak English
It was both sides making a mistake Hal was right up to the first push .. the second time he died was just a troll
not to mention bro missed like every P2020 shot. They should have been won that fight.
The first down knock was understandable the second he didn’t full heal then pushed and dropped off height without calling to push then he pushes by himself again and looks at the guy for 1-2 sec and lets him just run out to push them before shooting at him the dies not using a heady and ego shooting. Most of the time I back Hal but not on this one.
“It’s funny, I don’t care” so insanely upset and deep in the feelings
Hal is a firm believer in “the ends justify the means”. He’s the most successful apex player of all time, and he somehow think that that procludes him from any criticism. Also comical to say Nocturnal hasn’t done shit in Apex when he is one of the very few who has had a successful career in pro apex.
I didn't hear the part where he called out to push with him, or when he mention that he's dropping low ground. Am I Missing something? Because this was completely on Hal.
Yeah. He stated information, he did not make a call.
Fax that what really annoys me on the second watch. Hal is not clear at all about him pushing so how can you blame anyone but him.
Exactly! Hal said “wait he’s under me” and then dropped solo. The whole team was looking for the rat, that’s why they stayed on high ground. If Hal comm’ed, “the rat is under me, push with me on this drop” then that’s clear enough for them to be together. Hal was in a mode where he was just thinking out loud; he never made a call to stick with me. Only reason if it’s not Hal’s fault is if there is a precedent where they said whenever there is a rat, we just hold hands and follow Hal. Hal should’ve never dropped if he thought the rat was there
Raven does not dick ride hal. He has been constantly shitting on hal and defending jordan and evan if you actually watch the tournaments and scrims. Raven has his own opinion and he feels secure about his job. He does not feel the need to support hal all the time. Did you not see Lan. Raven and hal were literally screaming at each other. They have mutual respect.
Thank you somebody who actually watches them scrim 😂
I’m just remembering all the times raven told Hal “you gotta be trolling” on certain scenarios where he threw.
Acknowledge me when im wrong, never when im right.
“i literally don’t care” *insert clenching fist meme*
People forget about the time Raven forced Hal onto Catalyst and Hal was whining fir an entire week. (This was right before CAT META when Aurora was the only team in the world running her in ALGS)
Love Hal’s response to noc and snipe talking shit when they play bad
"Raven is GAGGINGG" LMAOO😭
You literally win that fight if you do EITHER of the two choices, sit back and heal up/get ammo or 3 man push to finish them. The only way you lose is if you do option C 1 man push while the others heal and look for ammo. The one thing that makes Hal and Raven right, is he's the igl and you need to listen to him because you shouldn't want 3 igls just whenever
We've ALL been in this situation when both options will win, but the team is split on what they do and they lose the fight because of it
At the end you can tell Hal is just speaking from pure emotions 😂 Man is just in his feelings on this one and all I'll say Evans was not wrong
Nah Raven does argue with Hal plenty of times lol
Bro just points out who’s wrong or what they could have done differently then tells them to stop arguing half the time idk why people are freaking out maybe they need content back in Apex😂
People are tripping cuz Evan a nice guy. Hal said there was a rat south and Evan was bouta pop a medkit. Raven rarely agrees with Hal
That’s cool and all but raven was teaming with MEAT THE WAY HE SAT ON HALS D😭 shii crazy hal was egotistical af during the fight !
@@Cozzyhart I don't think you understand the definition of ego, he calls verhulst and reps the best controller and MnK players in the game, but when they make a mistake they don't wanna be wrong against a guy with anger issues. He also defended snipe and said he's better than Frex, but snipe shits on Hal any chance he gets.
@@ortega9156 I definitely understand the definition of EGO!! And his ego made him challenge with NO FUCKING SHEILD 😑😑 I have well over 4K hours played! Hal fucked up! im not arguing with anyone on this topic 💯 don’t try to hard with being a internet professor talking about “idk the definition”..
Hal has never been punched in the face that's his problem
😂😂😂
Nah facts lol like it’s crazy
Agreed. Soaring ego.
Ok
You've never competed in anything, that's your problem.
It’s situations like these that light a fire in TSM and motivate them to another victory. Ive been watching TSM long enough to know that the road is never easy for them but they somehow always manage to stay on top. Haters would be wise to just keep silent.
If i was hal i could've just killed the crawling downed guy swap armor and hold a position for my team to fully recover. That was the most basic thing to do to keep the whole team alive.
Fr same
He didn’t have the ammo for that
@@brayanarmenta18 he can bait that also man even with that small amount of ammo he can literally turn shoot once then wait for a response from the enemy at the door thats basic apex i always believe that its repz carrying his ass in critical thinking during games than him carrying his team he is always the deadweight
But fr though, in all that chaos, why isn't Hal asking if anyone has med or phoenix once it became a 2v3? Why not full heal or at least get to a point where you won't get 1 clipped.
you are trolling right?@@emodonzzz123
Everything that hal said at the end is so close minded. He could litteraly be talking about himself.
Love when the drama starts it’s great for the comp scene 😂
Hal straight up arguing against himself. Nobody said anything about this being the reason why they win or lose, its pretty obvious raven is backing Hal rn despite having made a bad play this time.
It's almost like you can still win despite making mistakes. Winning doesnt somehow make all your mistakes become part of your game winning strat.
Raven understands positioning, he doesn’t understand how to be a good fragger
Hal needs to start doing research before running his mouth man is very good at making himself look like a clown
Hal is fault-proof. Even when Hal is dead wrong he it CANNOT BE his fault..he resorts to overall winnings as a weight in an argument its hilarious. Hal pushed a purple with no hp..nothing to talk about.
That’s on Hal! He didn’t heal up and just kept pushing. You have ONE dude left. Heal up as a team and go take out the last guy!
Hal was backed into a corner emotionally and got defence, but he was being pretty toxic. Poorly handled dude.
The reason Raven brought up Evan not pushing with Hal first is because Evan brought it up. When Evan immediately started yelling about that after the game ended, it immediately brought it to the conversation. Not saying Hal is right here, but it’s not like Raven immediately jumped on Evan. Evan brought it up. Also worth noting that TSMs philosophy for. Infests is to always try to run them down. Once they have a numbers advantage they’re gonna always push as quickly as possible, which is another reason why Hal might’ve been expecting them to push
Raven only chimed in to defend hal tho thats the point he says nothing until its time to defend daddy from the slightest criticism
That’s the only way Hal is right. If there is a precedent that if there’s a rat, then we stay together and follow Hal. For me, Hal should’ve never dropped because it is essentially a positioning error unless it is clearly comm’ed that we push low ground together. He was just relaying information thinking Evan and reps were attached to his hip. They were looking for the rat when Hal called it. As Hal comm’ed the rat is underneath him, he was already dropping in. No comm to say we drop together. IMO, Hal needs to admit he got tunneled. Evan just told him to shut up because he doesn’t want to hear raging in the comms when they are still in the fight.
This is the best take so far. They always just run it down when the k ow their running but this time they weren’t with him.
@@johndrummey9897you must not watch much because I have heard raven bitch at Hal about a lot of shit he does.
To be fair hal does always back it up. Love his response tho lmao that was a legendary roast. And Raven points out Hal’s mistakes all the time
@somerandomguyonlineyou know tsm fans are all in middle school lmao
Hal is lucky Reps and Verhulst have calm nerves. No matter how much you win, eventually the attitude wears on you. But you can generally see its creeping on Verhulst because he's becoming more vocal about it.
I think hes just more comfortable around them now. Verhulst and Hal have a brother like banter that is harsh but never taken too seriously
It doesn't matter. Hal will be successful, no matter what team he decides to create. Can we say the same for Reps? I can see Evan staying on top with another good team. But that's not a sure thing. Hal could poach and pay out a contract to literally anyone. Imagine Hal leading a team with Crylix and Monsoon. Or poaching other pros like Koyful,Effect,Genburton ect. The CEO power is endless!!
@@onlyonered3242Hal is good but I don't see him winning with other people. Its not just about putting good players together to win. You need to form the right synergy. Other teams have great players but they just don't play as well together.
@@onlyonered3242 this is the stupidest shit i have ever read in an apex thread. I'm a hal fan, and i still think you are mentally fried. Reps is the best support player in the entirety of apex, and hal and evan, are only able to do so well, because HE enables them to do so. You literally know nothing about comp apex at all lol and you saying the word "monsoon" like he isnt the most washed player in the whole apex scene is wild to me. lmao get a grip
Idk how players other than Ver and Reps would deal with Hal’s toxicity. I cannot deny Hal’s skills but damn he’s a crybaby
funny as hell that Raven went to Hals defense after Evan called out Hal, Hal was silent because he knew he was in the wrong and then Raven came in to white knight lmao
If its 3v1 it doesn’t matter if Hal is low health & adversary has purple armor & this is why the people who comment on it like Hal said don’t ever do anything Apex
100% agree
Hal doesnt back down even when he is wrong. Gotta respect it lol
No can’t respect someone who is disrespectful! What world do you live in? Lemme guess silver spoon ass kid think they can say and talk to people however they want!
Whats going on with Evan. *Morpheus voice* "He's starting to believe." 😂
Hals spitting though all these pros talking about him when all he does is win and all they do is lose. Its literally comparing a winner to a loser 😂
Raven is crazy lmao, Hal definitely at fault for the second push, but you also have to check if your team is with you before immediately inting
hal is so bad at articulating. i've actually never seen anyone worse
I think you are. It’s a 1v3 and Hal’s teammates are running in circles and not pushing with him when he comm’s it. Are you braindead?
xqc?
@@7Exartive To be bad at it he'd have to be able to articulate in the first place.
Bruh the way Hal talks is what happens when you’re successful, definitely not saying he’s successful I’m just saying that’s what people do they become self centered
Lmao, this went completely wrong. Hal popped off and they weren’t even talking about that just a single game.
The issue is there are 2 IGL here, Evan is reluctant to listen while Hal expect his team to back him up. This explains Hal's aggressive move during fights as clearly they were in the advantage with 3v2. Raven is just there to listen to the IGL, as simple as that.
When there is a teammate that refuse to listen, Hal wanted to go aggressive while Evan play defensive, this will happen. Make it seem as though Hal solo pushed but in actual fact he wanted his team to be with him and push together.
If your team doesnt immediately follow you after telling them to chase, is it really a good idea to continue it?
@@Silverlined_69 I wouldn't discredit your point here, Hal definitely should have taken a step back to access the whole situation of Evan not willing to listen.
This whole bad play wouldn't happen if Evan do his part of listening to the IGL in the first place. I'm seeing more in terms of the history of TSM. When there is 2 IGL in the team, it will create conflicting decision-making and that is the reason why Albralelie left back in 2020; He didn't enjoy playing comp with Hal and Jordan since he have a tendency to IGL and it doesn't make any sense to continue in TSM for him.
If you're wondering why Hal was quick to snap back, I remember Noc calling all TSM fans awful humans and Hal bad in particular for doing what all pros & fans do-talk shit. Noc calls teams dogshit the same way members of TSM, Furia, NRG etc. would after run ins. And fans would appear in each others chats and spam in ALGS main chat like fans do. But Noc found a way to excuse himself and everyone else, singling out Hal & TSM in a passive aggressive way. That's what Hal means when he calls Noc a victim.
Hals ego gets the better of him at times
Even if he said go south, he might as well have been headshot with a kraber he died so fast. At that point, you have to abandon your push to reset and recalibrate.
I love that comm from Big E! 😂😂😂
first play true they should be looking with hal but second play someone shouldve told hal to back off
Who is gonna tell Hal to back off? Absolutely nobody, that's who. When it's raven and Hal against the other 2 who wins that argument...🤔... I'll wait.
@@J-Webthink he talking about in game bud💀 raven be deafened
Hal didn't even say he was going
Hal’s message to himself- 7:50, Hal playin the victim card tbr
Hal the type of guy to say :"HELLO !" To his GF when she asks him for a different position during sex
LMAOOOOO
It’s smart to be patient and just HOLD here, but Hal pushes because he’s frustrated from the first fight and said fuck it. It doesn’t take ALGS championship experience to know he made a bad play. Then he starts rambling about what he’s done in the past like it means he’s right here lol
why not show the entire fight in the beginning?
I don’t get what’s so complicated. Hal was right, got tilted, Evan tilted, everything after that was pretty irrelevant. Raven is only defending Hal’s argument on the first push. I think all 4 of them know Hal threw immediately after tilting.
I feel like any argument around Hal having to say specifically to drop or chase or him healing is completely brain dead. I think Hal is upset because they know they should be hunting that solo down immediately and that Hal is going to do so and lead it.. no one following him is on them not the IGL. Hal is not a micro manager and a lot of TSM works because everyone is expected to know what they are doing and to follow Hal. Clearly Hal expected them to understand to listen to him if he’s talking about the solo and to follow.
I think raven also agrees that the boys should have been listening to the calls and not looking for the solo where he isn’t or just holding space, which is why he sides with Hal about the principle of how they handled the 3v1. Hal basically got baited by his team there due to confusion. The argument has nothing to do with the plays after that or if there was specific enough comms or not or even if Hal should have healed.
The point is Hal didn’t heal or call to stabilize, the call was to get the solo.. not only that I believe the reason Hal is tilted and raven agreed is because I believe Hal expects that he would not get baited on a 3v1 solo rat push even if they boys were completely silent with no comms. Hal basically got baited because the team either didn’t trust Hal knowing where the rat was, or simply weren’t paying enough attention in their search for the rat to hear or see Hal is calling a direction and making a push.
Yall got to understand they probably done this before off stream.
As much as they have been successful at LAN they can actually f@ck up an individual play when getting contested every game. They didn't play that very well together at all and then proceeded to trigger Big E when he needed to focus, just needed to slow it down a tad and get that reset instead of pushing solo multiple times. Flexing previous success suggesting for others to stay in lane and can never be wrong because of that success is a bit much. It's fair for other pros to call out a missplay and call it how they see it just trigging Hal in the process hence the venom.
100% on hal, we already knew raven always took his side.
Hal comes from a position of being the most decorated apex player in the game. He comes from a position of success. People can sit here and chirp about it all they want but a fuckin greenie can't tell a journeyman how he should've did his job. In this case, Snip3 and Noc... coming from positions of being cut from their respective orgs are the greenies.
Hal got that roller brain now lmao
Lol cringe comment when some of the best pros are on roller you're tripping lol
@@CruelWorld-c9b lol that's why Is a comment section lol I can type whatever the fuck I want lol you want a reward from Hal? We are going to tell him that a random fucking user just defended the whole controller pros in Apex lol something else random?
You can always argue if what Hal did is the right or wrong play, that's why I understand people that side with Snipe's argument. But to say that Raven is riding Hal is just salty trash talk and Snipe is deff cringe for that
Evan makes the team so much better. Hal threw so everyone can shut up lol
Im lost on what hes arguing about the last minute of the video?
Completely lost his reasoning and was 100% emotional talking the entire time... like he didn't even fact check he just ran with it
Bro went on a rant about the moronic shit lmao
Hal can't take a little trash talk lmao. He gets so defensive from something that isn't even that big of a deal.
Hal talking like he’s never been punched in the mouth before😂 talkin real big
Ravens a bot
what the hell was hal doing at the start. no comms that he was dropping, not full health.
I’m on Evan side , I’d res first before chasing over a solo kus if they kill that guy while the solo is just running and a third party comes before or during the res than their dead js ,,,, Hal and raven buggin on that
Everytime hal gets mad he rants for 5 whole games
Yo bro would you mind putting the dates of scrims?? I wanna know if I’m following
I'm glad Snipe and Noc sided with Evan because when I was watching I thought it was odd. Him and Hal were right but I don't think a coach should be exacerbating internal issues between players like that. But what do I know? I'm no pro player.
Hal’s response proves why his maturity is his biggest challenge. Between not owning up to his shitty decisions to freaking out on his team on numerous occasions, this dude needs to get in touch with his emotions. Let alone he bashes everyone tenfold when he receives criticism on how he acts. Dudes ego is gonna get checked hard af if he keeps it up
Love or hate hal, he says what’s on his mind,😅 gotta respect a genuine person weather you think hes right wrong
Y’all tripping. Hal was right. He called out the guy, cracked him, and they didn’t even drop to help. Are they supposed to let that guy live? Then what, he gets the reset and now it’s a 3v3 or a 2v3 when you can just get it over with? Plus Evan and reps were full health
For context the victim card part and end he’s definitely referring to nocturnal not snipe, the way this video is set up ain’t showing that. He knows noc is gonna cry whine on his stream.
Hal rushing with low HP was the real problem ! How tf you rushing with low HP and get mad when getting wrecked absolute garbage
hal is the epitome of main character syndrome jesus christ
Bro I could be TSM coach.. it's a useless job when u have 2 of the best players all time in my opinion. Hal is defending his friend but knows it's true he agrees with hal always. They would still have the wins without him. It's the equivalent of when Byron Leftwich was Tom Bradys QB coach in Tampa. Literally the most useless job.
Hal trolled that fight so hard, peaking 1 hp, not full healing, trolling
Raven Olympic level meatrider
I love Hal. But he definitely could’ve made a safer play
It’s actually insane how immature Hal is
Lost some respect for Hal. Dudes a winner but he doesn’t know when to stfu and take a l. Move on you did a wrong play and it’s rare. That’s why he wins a lot.
Raven getting soft. Could you imagine going to work and someone talks to you like that? Super disrespectful. Hal looks for a reason he was right every time.
After winning those tourneys, Hal has big ego now. lol 😂 someone needs to humble this dude
i think hal has hired raven
Hal has some dire mental health anger issues, screaming, name out calling is unhealthy social behavior and 100% unnecessary- I hope he gets the help he deserves.
All these dudes are getting right over Hal playing aggressive when that’s how he got his name lmao obviously Hal is toxic but that’s who he’s been the whole time I don’t think Evan takes it personal anyway
Hal comes across as a deluded lunatic here. He hasn’t even listened to what these people have actually said.