That segment where Cam talks about being pressured by Kraum made me remember the tournament (Okotoberfest?) that Brian Coval won - in one of his games he won by killing each opponent individually with Kraum. Also not sure if it was him or ComedIan who has talked in the past about Kraum being a mirror breaker in these 4c decks because the clock Kraum represents forces the opponent under pressure to start jamming into your other opponents' countermagic.
I think at 7:00 in Cam had a really unique opportunity to win with emergence zone before Dylan got to go to clean up, especially since the other thrasios decks tapped low. Bolt agent, tutor for phyrexian metamorph and make it a dockside. Either way super cool game that reminded me a lot of the Okotoberfest finals :)
Welcome to the return of the Trasios Pass-ios era. Also man those counterspell stacks go deep. I can't imagine trying to navigate this nightmare realm of counterspells.
7:15 while there may have been a misplay from Cam, it wad excellent sequencing from Dylan, who not only stopped the bolt, he killed Cams esper sentinel & stopped him getting the bird while forcing his fierce
Oh wait, you said high tier edh, not cedh. In that case, it be cool to see a pod with atraxa, breya, yidris, and omnath, LOC. Of course we have kynaios and tiro, but that's group hug and yidris might have to be toned down a little bit lmao
What table do u guys play on bc it perfectly fits 4 mats and i need me some of that. Usually the tables i play in force us to spread out our matts and it feels bad
Was there a better target for the otowara other than the opposition agent? The outcome was the same regardless of if the gilded drake etb went off. Still couldn't cast any spells because of silence. Any other targets that could have stopped cams win attempt?
I’m not sure when Nate got the otawara in hand but maybe channel it to put the dockside back in Dylan’s hand with Cam’s silence on the stack. Dunno what was in everyone’s hand at the time. Great vid though.
Just want to point out that since deathrites ability is a mana ability, nate couldn't have exiled the land in response because you cannot respond to mana abilities.
With an abundance of infinite mana sources being what I have seen, as far as most 4c cEDH games, would it be beneficial for there to be more mana sinks? We had the option that occurred this game, but there are others im always curious about. I run Extus, Oriq Overlord as my 3 color commander, and enjoy the benefits they provide being a mana dump in the CZ, but then there are cards like Blue Sun's Zenith, and more that my tired brain can't think of. Another amazing episode, and I can't wait for the next!
The ITYSL references were on point this week. You guys ever watch tims episode of 'the characters ' on Netflix? Could easily be a stand alone episode of ITYSL, some of his best on there
Awesome game, Just one note, I know that these are not tornament games, but still are Cedh, and you cant reveal The opponents cards to your other opponents, you can Tell them but you cannot reveal, because that would be proof of what you are saying (happened with opposition agent)
This is unrelated- and I dont wanna say I am the reason that Dylan has his face on the saporling token, but I still do fondly remember the multiple games I have played against him on Ghave and having fun with the saporlings. Lol, hope that all is still well. Great video as always guys!
It’s bc of these grind fest games I decided to add hullbreaker horror to dawnwaker to address all this nasty interaction that seems to inevitably comes your way. Still what an excellent game!
@@PlaytoWinMTG I did miss that Drake died from not having its target but either way it would've been removed for Cam. I would've waited for something else to hit Cam's board since he has creature combos in his deck to hit at a moment where he would've tried to win. Although, now I see why the play was made after rewatching and it wasn't too strange of a play. Hindsight is 20/20 after all
That's what I was thinking too, but I imagine he wanted to make Nate exile a bunch of his library to take him out of the game rather than simply let him consult for a win.
@@PlaytoWinMTG the joy of watching a game at 4 am half asleep, I completely forgot about opposition agent being there and thought the no basics was the response to boseiju
@@sthjr112358 that doesnt apply here. it should always be the person that casts the spell gets priority first (i.e. they hold priority), then the next person in turn order gets priority. so when someone goes to cast an instant, it should go to the next player in order (cam casting snap, priority passes to dylan). what you are suggesting is that when cam casts his snap, priority goes to nate then it would go to cam again?
Ah yes I missed that trigger (and so did they unless they just forgot to edit it in). In this instance you are correct. Though it seems they missed that esper sentinel trigger (or just forgot to edit it in), or they dont play as if the trigger happened. because you see after boseiju resolves dylan says "snap is back on the stack. nate you're first". So if esper sentinel was still on the stack, this is all still correct. otherwise dylan should be first, right?
I think (and i'm not sure here) that once a spell or ability resolves (the boseiju) priority resets to active player. Dylan passed the first time priority came to him thinking nate had something better. Also that esper trigger was forgotten.
Are you allowed to physically reveal the cards when opposition agent? I know you're allowed to see them, and tell others information but actually revealing the cards?
One word to describe these 4c games, meatgrinder
Excellent vocabulary choice
The commentary and good vibes makes this the best cEDH channel.
What a game! Love these grind and interactive games.
So grindy
That segment where Cam talks about being pressured by Kraum made me remember the tournament (Okotoberfest?) that Brian Coval won - in one of his games he won by killing each opponent individually with Kraum.
Also not sure if it was him or ComedIan who has talked in the past about Kraum being a mirror breaker in these 4c decks because the clock Kraum represents forces the opponent under pressure to start jamming into your other opponents' countermagic.
Cam fought so harddddd, I was hoping he would win after being put to one hit from Kraum
I think at 7:00 in Cam had a really unique opportunity to win with emergence zone before Dylan got to go to clean up, especially since the other thrasios decks tapped low.
Bolt agent, tutor for phyrexian metamorph and make it a dockside.
Either way super cool game that reminded me a lot of the Okotoberfest finals :)
Yaaa I think he was probably just being extra safe waiting for more back up
@@PlaytoWinMTG that makes a ton of sense, I didn't realize how little interaction he had at the time
i loved the clever play that Nate made with the deathrite denying Tyler mana by exiling the same target!
Was that play legal? I would think it's a mana ability, so doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to that way.
Never mind - saw the answer below!
Dude what a game! That was so fun to watch!
Glad ya liked it!
Hell yea! I love when cam wins, makes it look smooth sitting at 20 commander damage lolol
Welcome to the return of the Trasios Pass-ios era.
Also man those counterspell stacks go deep. I can't imagine trying to navigate this nightmare realm of counterspells.
Can you guys please built gruel storm using Meria, Scholar of antiquity. My unrefined deck wins every game turn 6. Cherrios baby!
Yo I was playing Kenrith last night against two Najeelas and T&T and I may have just got deja vu from this video...
The Waffle House has found it's new host
PLEASE link to the proxy dual lands that Cam uses in this video!!! I've been looking through comments on lots of videos and can't find a link
7:15 while there may have been a misplay from Cam, it wad excellent sequencing from Dylan, who not only stopped the bolt, he killed Cams esper sentinel & stopped him getting the bird while forcing his fierce
This was one of many control games to figure out if Tymna or Thrasios is the best partner commander, what did the results yield?
I’d love to see a high powered edh game with Atraxa in the pod
Unfortunately she probably couldn't keep up, the power curve has left her behind in cedh
Oh wait, you said high tier edh, not cedh. In that case, it be cool to see a pod with atraxa, breya, yidris, and omnath, LOC. Of course we have kynaios and tiro, but that's group hug and yidris might have to be toned down a little bit lmao
I know metamorph is 3 with phyrex mana but for 2 mana you can run imposter mech but it can't target your own dockside. Risk reward card options
“Fuck face! What the fuck am I doing?” Is def one of my favorite lines ever from this show lmfao XD
Love the play by plays you guys give, do another zevlor game! I made a deck because of you guys.
You guys do it every time. Some of if not the funniest commentary plus great gameplay gets me every time.
Which thrasios deck is best? Oh wait, you've already done that one, very different video
What table do u guys play on bc it perfectly fits 4 mats and i need me some of that. Usually the tables i play in force us to spread out our matts and it feels bad
Let's ask the question, how many times will you ask "what is the best 4c deck?" 😂
The sadness I experienced watching Cam NOT play ya snooze ya lose
Incredibly interactive Magic the Gathering. I’m here for it!
I keep tuning in for "I think you should leave" references.
Was there a better target for the otowara other than the opposition agent? The outcome was the same regardless of if the gilded drake etb went off. Still couldn't cast any spells because of silence. Any other targets that could have stopped cams win attempt?
I’m not sure when Nate got the otawara in hand but maybe channel it to put the dockside back in Dylan’s hand with Cam’s silence on the stack. Dunno what was in everyone’s hand at the time. Great vid though.
"Show me the tape!", that was very pleasant and hilarious
Otawara on Oppo....really...target was always dockside
Couldn't Nate have Otawara'd Dylan's Dockside to stop Cam from winning?
Technically yes but cam still had several tutors in hand, so once the oppo was gone I’m not sure it would have mattered
Am I wrong or were some cards with Kraum not drawn? doesn't it say "every second spell of an opponent each turn"?
it does say that! that's certainly a possibility, where do you think a trigger was missed?
I love the grind of these decks that was a awesome game
Can you make a cedh gyreson starn kelermorph deck?
Just want to point out that since deathrites ability is a mana ability, nate couldn't have exiled the land in response because you cannot respond to mana abilities.
Deathrite ability is not a mana ability since it requires a target
Obligatory suggestion when it comes to Mono Color try Slicer :D thanks Silicon Dynasty
With an abundance of infinite mana sources being what I have seen, as far as most 4c cEDH games, would it be beneficial for there to be more mana sinks? We had the option that occurred this game, but there are others im always curious about. I run Extus, Oriq Overlord as my 3 color commander, and enjoy the benefits they provide being a mana dump in the CZ, but then there are cards like Blue Sun's Zenith, and more that my tired brain can't think of.
Another amazing episode, and I can't wait for the next!
Can someone explain how Zirda is companion with Drannith Magistrate and Esper Sentinel?
Zirda is not the companion. It’s just in the deck
I can’t believe Cam pulled it out after all that hate.
The ITYSL references were on point this week. You guys ever watch tims episode of 'the characters ' on Netflix? Could easily be a stand alone episode of ITYSL, some of his best on there
Awesome game, Just one note, I know that these are not tornament games, but still are Cedh, and you cant reveal The opponents cards to your other opponents, you can Tell them but you cannot reveal, because that would be proof of what you are saying (happened with opposition agent)
Was rooting for the Tymna Thrassios player (I have the same commanders) but seeing everyone is playing either is for me a win.
This is unrelated- and I dont wanna say I am the reason that Dylan has his face on the saporling token, but I still do fondly remember the multiple games I have played against him on Ghave and having fun with the saporlings. Lol, hope that all is still well. Great video as always guys!
where to get that founding titan tshirt? i need to know
"His Esper Sentinel?"
"No, your Esper Sentinel."
You tried Cam, and I respect it.
It’s bc of these grind fest games I decided to add hullbreaker horror to dawnwaker to address all this nasty interaction that seems to inevitably comes your way. Still what an excellent game!
Yall completely forgot about Breya 😭
Idk brothers but the king of temur is Rograhk and Thrasios winter orb static orb combo ramp stax. I don’t just break parody, I break paradox.
11:05 fucking killed me, tyler is a king
Waffle House has found it’s new host
The beast 4 color deck is Kinaios
Thanks for the video! Have you ever considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
This game was so fucky i love it
Great game, great watch. Loved it
Why didnt he pact your tainted instead of back to he's swat?
In order to force Nate to exile his whole library to find an answer
Imagine being a non blue four color deck minding your own business in this pod.
Nate out here moaning into the mic 😂
Where did you get your proxies?
Gosh, those tokens!
I especially like "Trigger" and "Copy"
What a grind! I wish someone played Metapod. Loved this!
Ahhhh even when I'm having a shit day you sweet summer boys are here to brighten my day
Love the videos. Wish I could focus enough to build competitive decks like this.
I wonder why Nate used Otawara to bounce opposition agent at the end? Strange play to me
What would you have done
@@PlaytoWinMTG I did miss that Drake died from not having its target but either way it would've been removed for Cam. I would've waited for something else to hit Cam's board since he has creature combos in his deck to hit at a moment where he would've tried to win. Although, now I see why the play was made after rewatching and it wasn't too strange of a play. Hindsight is 20/20 after all
SHOW ME VICTORY!
FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU DO
Where’s blood pod?!
The whole table was against Cam it's crazy, haha.
Love Dylan rocking the Founding Titan shirt.
At my bake sale yahhhhhh
Should Dylan have cracked LED to be able to recast the opposition agent after getting it bounced by the blue channel land
Probably yes
Shiny hunting with Tyler
Exactly
One of the best video on the channel!! Love you guys ♥
this was yet another amazing vid. thank you guys 🙏
big fan here ❤
Does your store ship to the UK at all?
Yes!
I’m a simple person. Play to Win posts, I click. I like. I smile.
Appreciate you!
No blood pod :0
No blood pod :0
Yeah, that was grindy, but great game!
Good game fellas. Never disappoint
i hate this
Grindfest. Dope game play fellas.
At 10:25 Cam forgot to grab the land from being hit with Boseiju.. Eh.
Dylan's Opposition agent was in play and bosejiu is a may
What, what, what?! No love for Breya?
When in Rome, roll the tape! ♡
Could Tyler have used deflecting swat to redirect Pact at Dylan’s consultation or does that break some rule I don’t know about?
That's what I was thinking too, but I imagine he wanted to make Nate exile a bunch of his library to take him out of the game rather than simply let him consult for a win.
Tyler absolutely wanted to make Nate exile most of his library
Good morning you guys sound cute!
11:00 or so, boseiju lets you get any land with one of the land types, so you can get duals and triomes if you have those
Ther was an opposition agent and also cam has no basics
@@PlaytoWinMTG the joy of watching a game at 4 am half asleep, I completely forgot about opposition agent being there and thought the no basics was the response to boseiju
🔥🔥🔥
Solid game!
Around 6:40 could Nate respond to Tyler trying to add mana off deathrite shaman? Isn't it a mana ability?
I was about to point this out. Maybe no one noticed it but yeah it IS a mana ability.
Yes Nate can do that! No it is not a mana ability since it requires a target.
@@PlaytoWinMTG Right! Thanks for the clarification.
@@PlaytoWinMTG ooh right, thanks!
Nice finish!
Fave decks
At 6:05 can't Cam use mox amber to cast bolt on opposition agent?
It doesn’t look like he had a legendary red creature in play at the time.
@@deandreholmes3807 i'm Just dumb and thought mox amber could add for any color as long as you have a legendary. Thanks man
at 10:28, why was nate the first to get priority in response to snap? shouldnt it be turn order (so dylan first)?
Priority is active player, non active player. They were on Nate's turn
@@sthjr112358 that doesnt apply here. it should always be the person that casts the spell gets priority first (i.e. they hold priority), then the next person in turn order gets priority. so when someone goes to cast an instant, it should go to the next player in order (cam casting snap, priority passes to dylan).
what you are suggesting is that when cam casts his snap, priority goes to nate then it would go to cam again?
You are right that's not the full explanation. Nate had an esper sentinel trigger on the snap.
Ah yes I missed that trigger (and so did they unless they just forgot to edit it in). In this instance you are correct. Though it seems they missed that esper sentinel trigger (or just forgot to edit it in), or they dont play as if the trigger happened. because you see after boseiju resolves dylan says "snap is back on the stack. nate you're first". So if esper sentinel was still on the stack, this is all still correct. otherwise dylan should be first, right?
I think (and i'm not sure here) that once a spell or ability resolves (the boseiju) priority resets to active player. Dylan passed the first time priority came to him thinking nate had something better. Also that esper trigger was forgotten.
First
Nice
Best dialogue of the game:
"His Esper Sentinel?"
"Nonono, your Esper Sentinel!"
He tried xDD
Are you allowed to physically reveal the cards when opposition agent? I know you're allowed to see them, and tell others information but actually revealing the cards?
"ROLL THE TAPE" in that high pitch 🤍🤍🤍
i just gotta comment every damn one of your videos guys, u r too amazing not to do that
and i didnt even saw that lovely eend! Oh my god u r wonderfull guys
What a miss, to play big alpha dylan bloodpod deck 🥱