LISA: Definitive Edition - Brad Dog

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  • @leoluster5424
    @leoluster5424 Рік тому +184

    To note, after this cutscene Bard and Mad Dog get status effects, for Brad he gets "Fear" and "Rage" while Mad Dog get "Blind" and for THAT commenter. when I got this cutscene Terry was alive but I did use Mad Dog a lot

  • @quackaddict4536
    @quackaddict4536 Рік тому +236

    I think this and the terry scene contrast perfectly.
    Terry’s cutscene represents all the good in Brad and alludes to the positive themes in the series, plus the camera pans upwards.
    This cutscene represents all the bad shit in the series, especially the core message about the cycle of abuse. I mean a lot of what mad dog says directly mirrors stuff Marty has said

    • @AdmiralChimp
      @AdmiralChimp Рік тому +57

      Both Brad and Mad Dog seem to have been born into cycles of abuse but where as Brad tries to fight it, Mad Dog seems to fully embrace it and attempts to get Brad to continue it, it's very interesting.

    • @uugabuuga7450
      @uugabuuga7450 Рік тому +28

      I also appreciate the literal mirroring of the camera movement

  • @flaco3462
    @flaco3462 Рік тому +232

    It seems that this tradition of killing your family is something that's been going on in Mad Dog's clan longer than he's been around. He's probably been taught to give all his emotions to the abyss inturn for pure strength hence the size of his fireballs and his tactiturn way of speaking.
    I have no idea what the fuck just happened at the end.

    • @Komnen0s
      @Komnen0s Рік тому +69

      Now it makes sense why his fire attacks are so strong. He channels his negative emotions into raw destructive power. He comes across as kind of dim and empty-headed in the original version of the game, so I like that DE expands on his character by showing his mystical perspective on violence.

    • @flaco3462
      @flaco3462 Рік тому +34

      @@Komnen0s The way I saw it was that he stockpiled all the excess emotion that he was taught to throw away into his body so he can combine it all at once into one giant fireball

    • @busa1951
      @busa1951 Рік тому +31

      @@Komnen0s Channel you emotions into something constructive, like violence!
      Honestly, dude would either fall easy into Franchise stuff or not at all. With the way he's so into that idea of repeating the cycle till you're powerful, it fits him but the senselessness of Franchise violence might turn him off. People die for a reason and his son died cause he wasn't strong. All in accordance to the plan. With no plan, what was the point?

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 10 місяців тому +10

      A giant spider brad crawled showing that the cycle continues as brad left a trail of abuse and violence in his wake.
      Brad has become what he and Lisa hated more than anything.

  • @imthatoneguyirl
    @imthatoneguyirl Рік тому +147

    Seeing Brad as a Marty spider at the end of this cutscene legitimately broke my heart.
    Considering that the Marty spiders are Brad's way of visualizing people "consumed" by his father's memory and carrying on Marty's legacy, and referring to Mad Dog's monologue itself, this is about as far as a cutscene can get from the introspection and self-forgiveness of Terry's campfire cutscene.
    Brad had two chances to take a hit for his party members and he took neither of them. His entire journey has been defined by nothing but bloodshed and senseless violence scattering across the land.
    Yes, he did not deserve his traumatic childhood. Yes, despite his many wrongdoings and his inability to grant Buddy her agency, he was infinitely better than the pathetic and cruel father he had to grow up with. And yes, the men in Olathe were already as good as dead with this senseless conflict going on. But none of it matters. Brad failed to empathize with his own men when they needed it most.
    Mad Dog's metaphor of the endless cycle gives nothing but a sense of how blind he really is. Brad, enveloped by his own fear and trauma, let a wall of silent rage form between himself and anyone who tried to get close to him.
    The third area campfire scene offers a chance for Brad to reflect upon his actions with a party member who best represents his own actions throughout the journey. For the mad dog cutscene to even play out, four people with hopes, dreams, and aspirations would have to be cut down just so that Brad could avoid shouldering a fraction of the pain he was willing to put them through.
    Even with the world wailing down upon him, he could have at least tried to fix this broken world in the only way he could. And he didn't.
    He knows it fully well.
    And so it shouldn't be too difficult to see why his own Marty spider dashes across the screen, reveling in its own sadism.
    Because at that moment, in Brad's own heart...
    he truly believed he was just as bad as his own father.
    Edit: I'm not completely sure what the "I love you" refers to, but seeing the new content DE introduces, I have a hunch that it's Brad's mother's final words to her family before leaving.

    • @lorddervish212quinterosara6
      @lorddervish212quinterosara6 Рік тому +28

      "I love you" line refers to him abandoning Lisa

    • @Em_Ef_Flowering
      @Em_Ef_Flowering 9 місяців тому +19

      I always read “I love you, but I have to go” being the final thing Brad said to Lisa, with “please don’t turn into a monster like the rest of them” from the Terry scene was the last thing Lisa said to Brad. They are the ones who show up in his nightmare, and like you said about all this thematic stuff.

  • @Beltboy
    @Beltboy Рік тому +40

    This combined with the song feels like the end credits to a really depressing bojack horseman-esque show

  • @kayrune
    @kayrune Рік тому +164

    bro got that dog in him

    • @blakethesnake6686
      @blakethesnake6686 Рік тому +19

      Dog got that dog in him 🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶

    • @calvinanderson4245
      @calvinanderson4245 Рік тому +1

      Can't believe he was a secret white girl all along

    • @brimple
      @brimple Рік тому +11

      ​@@blakethesnake6686 got that dog
      in a dog
      in a dog
      in a dog
      in him

  • @Notcreative6331
    @Notcreative6331 Рік тому +168

    I can see why mad dog is Austin's favorite character

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 Рік тому +12

      He isn’t, in a post he said his favorite partner character is shocklord.

    • @cville991
      @cville991 Рік тому +14

      Austin is random as fuck.

    • @uugabuuga7450
      @uugabuuga7450 Рік тому +16

      @@changvasejarik62 I think favorite partner character and favorite character are different categories

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 Рік тому

      @@uugabuuga7450 I’m confused, may I please see where he said that?

    • @FuriontheWise
      @FuriontheWise Рік тому

      Austin's favorite character is Sticky.

  • @ness6714
    @ness6714 Рік тому +37

    The Lisas: "man i love this episode."

  • @tinchosabala
    @tinchosabala Рік тому +182

    this feels like the game's thesis statement

    • @skep2923
      @skep2923 Рік тому +20

      This and the Terry convo.

    • @ozymandiasramesses1773
      @ozymandiasramesses1773 Рік тому +21

      ​@@skep2923the downward pan juxtaposition would lend to that theory.

    • @changvasejarik62
      @changvasejarik62 Рік тому +8

      @@skep2923half of the solo campfire scenes contribute in some way.
      mad dog: a stoic psycho with not only great strength but more in his heart and mind than is few words show.
      Terry: a weakling who wears his heart on his non-existent sleeves that has great potential but his globe spanning words hide an emptiness that we alleviated.
      Olan a man looking at the bottom of a glass to try and find what he lost and failed who can find peace after being consumed by his addiction.

    • @toaster9922
      @toaster9922 Рік тому +4

      @@changvasejarik62 what about the Queen Rodgers one? To me it felt like he could tell what was wrong with brad, and gave the best advice he thought would help.

    • @wetoddedd
      @wetoddedd Рік тому +4

      @@changvasejarik62 nern: he can talk a lot. like, more than before.

  • @TheCayogMagor
    @TheCayogMagor Рік тому +155

    Im p sure the whole Mad Dog speech refers to Brad's lineage -
    A dog (granddad)
    in a dog (marty)
    in a dog (brad)
    in a dog (buddy)
    the MAKE US MORE also sounds very similar to the new grandad scene in Brad's nightmare.
    idk what it means tho, besides the its all cyclical madness that these characters go thru
    Edit: another thing i noticed is the "take care of me when im old" which is something that shows up in brad's nightmare as well. this feels like foreshadowing for that particular sequence to me now

    • @willsurvive698
      @willsurvive698 Рік тому +7

      i feel like "dog" is just a term for specific kind of people, like brad or mad dog himself. To me, this speech refers to the fact that mad dog probably ate a person that ate another person before and he wants this tradition to go on with brad

  • @cloudthelemon756
    @cloudthelemon756 Рік тому +43

    He really went "I got that dog in me."

  • @BasedRamen
    @BasedRamen Рік тому +41

    "I love you...
    but I really have to go."
    Honestly, when I first read that line, I figured that it was referring to Brad leaving Lisa, but now looking back at it, I feel like it kinda resonates with Mad Dog as well in a way.
    Reason why I say this though is
    1. There's a win quote where he says, "Sorry, son." as if he has some regret in killing him off.
    2. Another is before the final fight with Rando's Army, he kinda stalls during the fight and cries here and there, as if he kinda wanted Brad to kill him, as somewhat of a redemption for the sins that he's done.
    I'm not really too convinced of him being a worse father than Marty. Moreso the fact that he was too infatuated with violence to the point that he kinda wished M.D. Jr. to kill him off and maybe break the cycle, but got too caught up in the moment just because that's all he ever really knows.
    Marty still had some sense to the things that he did, even before the flash, and yet he still went ahead with those actions just so he could make his kids feel the way that he did, just so they would feel the same pain.
    Tl;dr Mad Dog felt similar to Brad, albeit without any sort of direction to do anything good or meaningful just cuz of his upbringing.

    • @imthatoneguyirl
      @imthatoneguyirl Рік тому +6

      I'm pretty sure perpetuating the cycle implies that the child one day defeats the father and consumes them.
      In this route, Brad has chosen the path of violence. In that way, he has inherited Mad Dog's bloodline.
      If anything, it would be better to stay far, far away from Mad Dog. There is nothing left of the man that body once contained - merely a vessel for his own family's abusive cycle.

  • @datking8762
    @datking8762 Рік тому +90

    What the genuine hell lmfao

  • @sweetwheatsy
    @sweetwheatsy Рік тому +15

    For my playthrough, this dude was the only one who survived the frikkin Russian Roulette and from then on, due to his pure strength and bulk, he became a core part of the team. Never got this cutscene but it really puts things into context. Very interessting.

  • @Vox_Rhododendron
    @Vox_Rhododendron Рік тому +58

    Right, so DE took Mad Dog’s character from a hilariously violent dimwit in the fashion of, say, The Pyro from Team Fortress Two, and turned him into the LISA equivalent of Judge Holden. Cool.

    • @bucketts6148
      @bucketts6148 Рік тому +5

      This whole speech could definitely fit into that final conversation between Holden and the kid

    • @Heb_N
      @Heb_N 8 місяців тому +7

      Brad was destined to dance forever. It's all he ever knew. In a way, Brad purified himself by dancing and beating everyone in Olathe, his will is greater than the rest. Even though one "loses" in the end, they actually win by showing Buddy humanity's tool for both creation and destruction: the dance. And she would go on and dance with the strongest, and her will would then be the greatest, and so the cycle will continue

    • @mattgroening8872
      @mattgroening8872 8 місяців тому +2

      He killed his own son. He was not just a pyro from tf2

  • @aswangmonkey361
    @aswangmonkey361 Рік тому +51

    The “I love you, but I really have to go” at the end… I’m gonna assume it’s not mad dog saying that. Is it Brad to Lisa before he ran away?

    • @Nicholas-dg9gj
      @Nicholas-dg9gj 10 місяців тому +4

      I thought it was Lisa's last message to Brad before ending her life.

    • @skeletonbuyingpealts7134
      @skeletonbuyingpealts7134 4 місяці тому +4

      Brad: I love you... But I really have to go...
      Lisa: Just promise me, Brad. Don't turn into a monster like everyone else.

    • @rgtertrtertertert2618
      @rgtertrtertertert2618 Місяць тому

      i think it was brad's mom who said that.

  • @josephkwak7376
    @josephkwak7376 Рік тому +51

    Spider-Brad, Spider-Brad~

  • @Burgorton
    @Burgorton Рік тому +50

    I feel like this recontextualizes the bit with him fighting you in the final bit of the game some. He’s not someone I’d see as particularly interested in the ethics/needs of the last woman, but moreso in the desire to fight Brad. Maybe i’m looking too literally into the “in the end, we fight” part, but I think it adds to the Mad Dog spreading the aspect of madness to Brad, something his sons failed to do, almost in the same way Brad transfers his own madness to Buddy.

    • @sofaking8646
      @sofaking8646 Рік тому +5

      I couldn't sworn he said "Goodnight dear friend"

    • @Burgorton
      @Burgorton Рік тому +2

      @@sofaking8646thats what it was, my bad. I was thinking of someone else

  • @digitaltoaster4956
    @digitaltoaster4956 Рік тому +13

    You think all the Lisas are just thinking “WTF?”

  • @joyland730
    @joyland730 8 місяців тому +7

    Mad Dog is the scariest character in the game, even more so than mutants

  • @Goatmacdonald
    @Goatmacdonald Рік тому +29

    Just noticed something in terry campfire cutscene it go up but in this one it gos down maybe its like the bad companion since mad dog litteraly wants brad to eat him while terry is supportive of brad

  • @skeletonbuyingpealts7134
    @skeletonbuyingpealts7134 5 місяців тому +6

    Brad: I love you... But I really have to go...
    Lisa: Just promise me, Brad. Don't turn into a monster like everyone else.

  • @kikov69
    @kikov69 Рік тому +34

    he got that dog in him

    • @jtlego1
      @jtlego1 Рік тому +4

      One might say hes got *too much* of that Dog in him

  • @NeedlesSweetToothKaneTheClown
    @NeedlesSweetToothKaneTheClown 3 місяці тому +4

    Something tells me that Mad Dog would fit in with the Infinity Franchise.

  • @MorrysIllusion
    @MorrysIllusion Рік тому +23

    one of my favorite convos from the campfires in regards to the overall game and themes and with the new content its so good. i loved so much of the new dialog. seeing the dog metaphor come up here and in brad's nightmare is really interesting. Marty's "You eat it. Consume everything. Puke it up. Then eat it again. Eat like a dog." VS Mad Dog's "[...] Then you will eat me. A dog in a dog [...]" i love it. ive written so much analysis on my own lol so ill just stop here... but i decided to transcribe this for people who need it:
    [Mad Dog]
    That smell.
    ...
    Dog.
    ...
    Strong
    ...
    Very dumb.
    ...
    You're my new son.
    ...
    Okay, Mad Dog?
    You must earn it.
    When I'm old. You take care of me.
    When I'm ready to die. We fight.
    YOU HAVE TO BEAT ME. Then you will eat me.
    A dog in
    a dog in
    a dog in
    a dog.
    Hellacious.
    Miserable cycle.
    Never stop.
    MAKE.
    US.
    MORE.
    [Brad looks up from sleeping]
    Madness is a small cost. For power greater than love.
    [Brad]
    ...
    Did you say something?
    ...
    Sorry, nevermind then.
    [Brad goes back to sleep]
    [Mad Dog]
    Strength is our family.
    [Scene pans down the cliffs showing skulls hidden in the layers of dirt. The next text appears on screen]:
    I love you...
    But I really have to go.
    [At the bottom of the cliffs, a spider much like the Marty-spiders appears, but with Brad's face instead.]

  • @bcs3dreal196
    @bcs3dreal196 Рік тому +17

    I hope someone smarter than me can post their take on the end scene soon lol

    • @imthatoneguyirl
      @imthatoneguyirl Рік тому +7

      I am in no way smarter than you but I like making heavily delusional connections between stuff in games so I'll copy-paste what I think is going on here from my other comment :3
      Considering that the Marty spiders are Brad's way of visualizing people "consumed" by his father's memory and carrying on Marty's legacy, and referring to Mad Dog's monologue itself, this is about as far as a cutscene can get from the introspection and self-forgiveness of Terry's campfire cutscene.
      Brad had two chances to take a hit for his party members and he took neither of them. His entire journey has been defined by nothing but bloodshed and senseless violence scattering across the land.
      Yes, he did not deserve his traumatic childhood. Yes, despite his many wrongdoings and his inability to grant Buddy her agency, he was infinitely better than the pathetic and cruel father he had to grow up with. And yes, the men in Olathe were already as good as dead with this senseless conflict going on. But none of it matters. Brad failed to empathizewith his own men when they needed it most.
      Mad Dog's metaphor of the endless cycle gives nothing but a sense of how blind he really is. Brad, enveloped by his own fear and trauma, let a wall of silent rage form between himself and anyone who tried to get close to him.
      The third area campfire scene offers a chance for Brad to reflect upon his actions with a party member who best represents his own actions throughout the journey. For the mad dog cutscene to even play out, four people with hopes, dreams, and aspirations would have to be cut down just so that Brad could avoid shouldering a fraction of the pain he was willing to put them through.
      Even with the world wailing down upon him, he could have at least tried to fix this broken world in the only way he could. And he didn't.
      He knows it fully well.
      And so it shouldn't be too difficult to see why his own Marty spider dashes across the screen, reveling in its own sadism.
      Because at that moment, in Brad's own heart...
      he truly believed he was just as bad as his own father.

  • @ozymandiasramesses1773
    @ozymandiasramesses1773 Рік тому +22

    So thats why mad dog's club is found in the head of "mad dog jr."

  • @Vickysqueeze
    @Vickysqueeze Рік тому +7

    I think the last dialog is brad to lisa not mad dog to brad which is what i thought when i saw this first

  • @Kevinopn
    @Kevinopn 8 місяців тому +8

    The infinity franchise have a contract for you my good Dog.👌

  • @WiikidTheBestMC-xx2ip
    @WiikidTheBestMC-xx2ip 2 місяці тому +2

    I think I have a good idea on how this is unlocked (Someone on Steam found this out, so I'm relying it here).
    - You need to keep both arms
    - Use Joy... a LOT.
    - Apparently pick options the kill your teammates? (That's what a person on steam said.)
    - Have Maddog (Obviously)
    From my own discovery, you will know you have taken enough joy (or completed all of the steps) when the Marty Spiders' theme from the Devil's Bath House is changed to Soft Skin (Joy Mutant battle theme).
    My choices before unlocking this (Aside from arms): - Let the Gents kidnap Terry
    - Kill Rick and Sticky
    - Kill 3 party members over Buddy's nipple
    New thing I found out after doing this: Maddog will leave your party before the fight against the secret super boss. He does this as soon as you enter the room before the fight. This never happened in my joyless runs, but I also never used him in those either.

  • @ren_8181
    @ren_8181 Рік тому +11

    BRAD DAWG$$$

  • @twenty_twenty_four
    @twenty_twenty_four Рік тому +11

    itsss a dog on dog wooooorlddd

  • @Platinum_Baskets
    @Platinum_Baskets 8 місяців тому +2

    Mad Dog's DOGMA!

  • @finalaternativoarg
    @finalaternativoarg Рік тому +17

    What Da Dog Doin?

  • @changvasejarik62
    @changvasejarik62 10 місяців тому

    It’s a great scene but because I need some levity…
    Brad: you know Lisa, listening to mad dog rambling is awkward enough without you and the joy giving me guilt-induced hallucinations.
    Can it wait?

  • @prikoker
    @prikoker Рік тому +10

    what the mad dog doin

  • @josephkwak7376
    @josephkwak7376 Рік тому +13

    Has anyone had campfire interactions with Rooster, Harvey, Buffalo, Yazan, or Ajeet?

    • @obscuregamesshowcase
      @obscuregamesshowcase  Рік тому +14

      No, they do not have any campfire scenes as far as I know.

    • @flaco3462
      @flaco3462 Рік тому +17

      @@obscuregamesshowcase and all i can think of is: why the fuck

    • @dokomni
      @dokomni Рік тому +7

      ajeet would have some really wise words to say, and harvey... man, i love harvey. i wish he had more to say.

    • @Beltboy
      @Beltboy Рік тому +2

      ​@@dokomni
      it would've been funny if Harvey had a campfire scene with Ollie

  • @mr.monotone1908
    @mr.monotone1908 Рік тому +14

    (Scuse me wha)

  • @BarioIDL
    @BarioIDL 3 місяці тому +1

    DEER!

  • @ConvoBreaker
    @ConvoBreaker Рік тому +8

    Was Terry alive when you got this scene?

  • @snekdrek
    @snekdrek Рік тому +4

    …..huh?

  • @SkibidiJohnathan8
    @SkibidiJohnathan8 5 місяців тому +1

    why is mad dog like this bro

  • @buggerofallhell1153
    @buggerofallhell1153 Рік тому +8

    What's the theme used in this scene

  • @magnuskain278
    @magnuskain278 6 місяців тому

    How do i get this interaction? I got the terry one

  • @josephkwak7376
    @josephkwak7376 Рік тому

    How do you get this cutscene?

    • @obscuregamesshowcase
      @obscuregamesshowcase  Рік тому +6

      I'm not entirely sure - it seems that having two arms is potentially required to get this cutscene to trigger, but besides that I don't really know. Sorry. :[

  • @ezrabanksthethird
    @ezrabanksthethird Рік тому +4

    Whats tha (mad) dawg doin?