Konstantin Kisin: "I Am Definitely Not A Conservative"
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Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Everyone who isnt a mentally ill degenerate is considered rightwing now.
Whether it is immigration or trangender debate or tax without practical alternative propositions opinions might as well be kept to oneself rather than sold in a book or podcast.
Then comments like; it is against the law, or being pro free speach are just sound bites and worse than at least a post modernist critique which by itself is also useless.
I think we gave reached a stage that unless these issue are discussed internationally then opinions remain tribal.
So, unless you have a solution to growing arriving number of immigrants in Europe, you can't just limit your position to that of it being illigal because the inferance then will be that home secretary should be allowed to let them drawn or get killed in some otherway.
@@ExiledGypsy, do you use any of the following (somewhat euphemistic) terms?
• gay
• homophobia/homophobe
• transphobia/transphobe
• trans-sexual
• transgender
• cis gender
• sex worker
• capitalism/capitalist
• any gender-specific pronoun other than he/she, him/her or his/her
Then CONGRATULATIONS - you are (either knowingly or unwittingly) a silly shill for the loony left!
If you say you're not a conservative but act like a conservative apologist, then it's a distinction without difference
"I hate Teams!" As someone in IT, I wholeheartedly agree.
Oh… he meant lowercase teams…
Chuckle
Hahaha
I don’t know how people can sit through meeting after meeting. The one I have to attend once a month pisses me off
@@ericanderson7346 the answer to that lies only within you, Eric. I’d suggest you look at exactly what is pissing you off, then make a decision as to whether it’s worth your time and energy getting pissed off about it.
You could treat meetings like dealing with “your” kid in daily life, some things are worth having an argument over and “putting your foot down”, so to speak, in other words: choose your battles.
I... actually like Teams
I’m not conservative, I just exclusively bash leftist positions while ignoring the idiocy of anyone on the right. It’s called being a classical liberal, get with the times Alex!
Except he doesn’t exclusively bash leftists while entirely ignoring the rights failures. You’ve fabricated this out of thin air
You're seething, friendo.
@@BWGmediaName an example where he critiques right wing
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 Do you know what seething means... friendo?
Where do all these losers come from? And why are they given attention? Almost none of these online talking heads have any academic credentials. They certainly don't publish their views in peer reviewed journals.
He talks about being right wing conservative like Jordan Peterson talks about being an atheist.
Haha, I thought the same thing!
I agree, but I feel like every time I've seen KK talk, he says nothing and doesn't even pretend to have said anything. Like I watched the whole podcast with him and he has ZERO interesting points on anything. I don't like Douglas Murray, but he actually has opinions that he will defend. KK just fills space trying to sound reasonable while throwing bones to reactionary morons (e.g., in this clip saying that being left is being "anti-free speech").
@@AJ-hc5zoThere is a demonstrable alignment between modern censorship and the left. You would do well to reconcile yourself with the truth a little more
@@AJ-hc5zo Yes, KK and his gormless mate seem a bit like a pair of dave rubins and will happily regurgitate right wing talking points or lies without the slightest effort to look into the veracity of the claims they espouse.
They had David Packman on a while back and were attempting the whole biden-dementia schtick. Upon showing the clip of JB supposedly 'shaking hands with ghosts', Packman got them to watch the unedited wide shot which revealed a very different picture. It would have taken seconds to check this but they seem pretty disinterested in that which is actually true.
Not everyone can be a Jihadist
I'm proud of you for not giggling when he said he hates teams.
I wouldn't want to be in a club that would have me.
I hate teams, and I like being part of a team.
He was saying about the standard Left and Right, red and blue teams, rather than being on his own team and having his own views. It's called nuance.
I'm more of a Zoom person myself
Some people are critical thinkers.
I’m in the Anti-Tribe Tribe.
I'm in the Anti-Anti-Tribe Anti-Tribe.
@@unduloid Ha!
Yeah, the problem with these statements is that whatever one does, people can put that set of behaviors in a category.
So, I could literally pick beliefs at random, and you can just label the resulting set as category.
But just because people can be grouped up regardless of what they do, doesn't mean they draw their identity from their group. That is the true meaning of this sentence:
"I am opposed to defining my identity\beliefs through the identity\beliefs of a group I belong to."
The "I'm a free thinker" schtick. It's extremely rare to have a thought that isn't based on any outside experiences or stimulu. He isn't saying anything new. He is just regurgitating thoughts and seeing what sticks well with him. We all do this. But most of us don't try to make money of of it.
That's an oxymoron.
He may not be on the right, but he has built a very successful business pandering to the right.
It's the modern gold rush. :p
The right is just right it's the system to remove poverty just because it's not fast enough for some it's still the only way ever known to work it's not a debate all of history 10s of thousands of years of evidence
"Everyone who disagrees with what I believe is a conservative and they just want money." You just want to kick puppies, cute ones.
correct
@@vulkanofnocturne objectively Andrew is correct
He demands a luxury of discreet understanding regarding his positions, yet offers basically none towards anyone else. He gets called a rightwinger because the aggregate of his espoused views align him with the right. People use these heuristics precisely because they are roughly accurate.
Kisin seems to think that political alignment ought to be based entirely on a raft of individual views, but also claims to not know what the right even is. Very telling.
Can you define what a right wing person is and explain why he fits into that category?
@@angelobalbiI'm not categorising anyone as right wing so why are you asking my definition, I'm just curious as to why other people categorise this guy as right wing, are you saying he's considered right wing because you believe he is demanding a luxury of discreet understanding? I'm not really sure what that means or why that would qualify someone as being right wing?
@superlogos58 Your describing Objectivism, not right wingers/Conservatives more broadly. Conflating a average right winger with an Ayn Rand Objectivist is the same as conflating the average left winger with a pure Marxist. Yes Ayn Rand is right wing, but most right wingers have serious issues with Objectivism.
@@kevinjohnson4498
His description is generally correct through. Right-wingers are extremely averse to addressing societal inequality.
@@unduloid I wouldn't say they are adverse to addressing it. They are just adverse to the left's top down solutions for it, just as the left is adverse to more localized solutions.
Wow, they talked about drugs for so long i'm surprised he didn't leave.
He is obsessed with drugs... and he actively dislikes you.
underrated comment
damn lmao, good one
@Native_Man123 Drugs are for people who have figured out life. People who understand they are mortal. And life is meaningless.
“I hate teams”
“I like being on a team that I have chosen to be part of”
3 seconds apart and he contradicts himself
That's not a contradiction. It's you misunderstanding his point. He hates teams he's told he needs to be a part of. He'd rather create his own. He literally immediately says that.
It's someone hearing a sentence they've just said and feeling they need to clarify - how have you never encountered that before?
This guy is unequivocally right wing. It doesn't matter what his personal beliefs are or whether or not he's a conservative which i dont think he is. All that matters is the content he puts out there and the topics he amplifies the most which are all populist right wing positions. Even matt walsh described his show as being part of the right
The problem is the left has pushed so far left that anyone with common sense comes off as far right.
Well, Matt Walsh can’t even describe what a woman is, had to make a whole documentary to figure that out, so I wouldn’t ever take his word for it, but yes, Kisin is most definitely on the right.
Matt Walsh attacked him, what are you talking about, they don't agree a whole lot beyond free speech and the enlightenment.
The best way to describe the current nonsense state of politics is between classic liberals vs 'liberal' woke authoritarians. Obviously conservatives and classic liberals are gonna appear close to each other if the current left is so extreme that they're trying to eradicate reality, degenerate the youth and aim for totalitarian concentration camps.
@@TubaTones Walsh may be a reactionary ghoul, but he is correct that the social constructionist wing of trans activism utterly fails to provide a coherent definition of gender identity. (Transmedicalists are up to the task, but social constructionists are currently the dominant camp within trans activism and they fucking hate transmedicalists.)
@@TubaTonesto be fair all the experts in his documentary couldn't give a proper explanation.
Haha, but when push comes to shove, Kisin will side with conservatives on social conservative reactionism the same people that oppose everything else he supposedly believes in.
Well, yeah. When they agree.
@@Perditions he clearly prioritizes socially conservative cultural perspectives over those that would put him in common with him on the centre and left. He’s no Matt Walsh, but every other video at least is about woke. He can hardly defend himself lol I don’t think he even believes himself.
@@SpecialK234 He always seemed center left to me. He's probably pro-choice and pro-gay marriage. What's a stance a person in the center might have?
@@Perditions most lgbt folks like myself wouldn’t consider being pro LGB but sawing off trans people or more so trans youth, as pro lgbt.
I don’t think he’s evil or anything, but he falls on the cultural right. His likeminded folks who agree with him on trans but disagree with him where he is okay with gay marriage etc, he will only put up the mildest response to those people.
I appreciate he tries sometimes, but those who agree with him on the cultural right also want extreme social conservative policy and he doesn’t have much to say about that. Being okay with gay marriage isn’t really enough without any other work to back it up.
@@SpecialK234 I think, definitionally, sawing off the T makes a person not LGBT friendly. There are feminists (terfs) and gays that would saw off that T. You have to realize, many liberals became right-wing (in your eyes) very quickly in the past decade. And they probably still consider themselves progressive regardless of your assessment.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying, he won't push back against anti-gay sentiments? I think anti-gay sentiment in the West is too rare to address; I mean it's not topical.
"He tries sometimes." I think he's trying all the time... To talk to people, ask questions, and add his two cents. "He tries sometimes" makes it sound like he's hiding his true thoughts. It sounds like you think he's a grifter.
"When push comes to shove." so much of what you're saying suggests you think he's hiding his true thoughts. That he's a dishonest actor.
I dunno. I'm sorry I wasted your time.
He sounds like a Libertarian or a One Nation Conservative... he doesn't talk about co-ops, unions or nationalisation
“I’m not conservative but i hold conservative values, vote only right wing candidates, exclusively insult the left and have a podcast where me, my co-host and my mine attempt to mutually gratify each other”
Perfect summation Mo!
The overton window has shifted so much in the past ten years the people you consider "left" are actually mentally ill freaks.
@sg23148 Can I ask where you are from?
Cause I really wanna know the universe where that makes sense.
'vote only right wing candidates' what are you basing that on?
He seems like he is center right. I’m more left wing than him but I have much more respect for him than someone like steven crowder for example
I saw the entire interview some months ago. But, this was a great clip that you chose to upload. And a great portion of the conversation for me to revisit.
Thank you!
I dont know if I would classify him as conservative. But I definitely see him as team "anti-woke" or "anti-sjw", or at least that is what he is famous for.
Same, which is absolutely a good thing, not that the comments on this video would tell you that
@@jackiefast4790 Such a weird thing to see though isnt it? Whats up with all those comments here
I mean, nothing wrong with opposing racist and hateful views
Yeah. He just panders to the same audience and makes the same right-wing reactionary talking points. I'm sure that it is just a coincidence.
Dude. "Anti-woke" and "anti-sjw" are massively Right-winger ideas.
Mainly, because "woke" and "sjw" *don't exist*
Grow t f up hey?
Well, a conservative would never lie, so this seems legit.
That made me chuckle Antony, thank you for that.
lol
What makes you think he’s lying?
@@ghostgate82 Most of what he says. Also only conservatives have to say this, I guess they're ashamed, as they should be. I have never said I am not a conservative, my values are clear to anybody who knows me. This seems like a dog whistle.
Conservatives are ashamed, as they should be? Grow up, I can't imagine having such a childish view of politics - let alone publicly flaunting it. @@AntonyJones
Jesus. This comment section is peak "If you're not a socialist then you're right winger." Peak far left talking points.
If this guy is a centrist then Keir Starmer is a Marxist and Corbyn is outside of the political spectrum. Would you call Russell brand a centrist as well?
"Just because all my beliefs and actions are in support conservatism does not mean I'm a conservative. "
What a good fellow he is then
except on every issue he listed...it's like you didn't watch the video at all...
So... legalizing weed and redistributing wealth are "conservative" now?
@@taylankammer don't bother, these morons didn't watch the video, they're just reacting to the thumbnail
@@tonypalmentera7752”every issue”? He listed two. Try again Tony.
What a great conversation by two articulate young men. Peter Hitchens could learn a thing or two from this and not walk out in a huff because things weren’t going his way!!
@@Besthinktwice Kisin is doing the exact same “classical liberal” grift sargon used to do, that’s why.
Young? Konstantin is over 40
Peter Hitchens is too busy actively disliking them.
@@Nicholas-Prince-Milverton At 73 he is young to me!!🤣
@@brianmusson2789 🤣🤣🤣
Everything from Konstantin's channel is basically on the cultural right.
Only his economic views are center. Nothing is really massively left about his ideas.
@@TheGreatOldeOneThat sounds like a verbose way of saying "he's on the right but X years ago he would have been a centrist!"
If you think 20 year old university students make up the entire population then yes he's "on the right", but compared to most people he's pretty center.
@@TheGreatOldeOne yeah, like he's on the left in 1923....
@@lucasmcguire1554absolutely correct. There's a lot of 25 year olds commenting here who think being left of centre left is centre. Their worlds are small and their scope does not extend past their university or social group (nor their age demographic)
@@TheGreatOldeOne that's a retarded comeback for sure... Who's done that to your sense of humor?
Such an improvement! No intrusive microphones and sitting comfortably.!
Will Franken exposes Kirstin's hypocrisy rather well. Man's a grifter.
Not sure how Konstantin defines "conservative," but going on lengthy rants about people being "woke" or whatever definitely makes him reactionary.
*edit* -- For anyone who thinks "woke" is a useful or consistent term, look at the diversity of definitions given in just this little thread:
- "reactionary"
- "a culture of judging someone's talents and abilities based on skin colour and gender"
- "discrimination and prejudice"
- "the division of people based on their immutable characteristics"
- "the misapprehension that [segregating people in terms of race, gender, or sexuality is] the moral thing to do"
- "a quasi-Marxist claim that there are the oppressed and the oppressors"
- "identity politics and junk theories such as critical race theory"
- "a set of beliefs disconnected from objective reality"
*second edit* - I'm honestly shocked by the virulent, reactionary sentiment in Alex's audience! They're all "woke!" this and "marxism!" that. I would have expected far better. This thread is like hanging out with your Boomer parents while Fox News blares in the background. Oh well.
I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but this way of thinking truly is a form of brain-rot. It saddens me that so many people on Alex's channel seem to think this way. The ideology associated with 'wokeness' is the opposite of progress. Anybody that wants to see positive change in the world ought to oppose it and call out its excesses. To say that those who criticise it are reactionary is short-sighted, because 'wokeness' does not represent any form of human progress. Quite the opposite. It is anti-intellectual, dogmatic, anti-fairness, anti-equality, pro-equity drivel. Konstantin has it right -- to criticise it -- because it is already pervading the way people speak and operate in the world. And not for good. You only have to take one look at a US or UK university to see this.
@@jpa_fasty3997 >"I don't mean this in a mean-spirited way, but this way of thinking truly is a form of brain-rot."
Oh, well as long as you're _nicely_ saying my brain is rotting that's ok!
>"The ideology associated with 'wokeness' is the opposite of progress."
Nonsense. And speaking of brain-rot, you're simply regurgitating anti-left propaganda, here.
>"To say that those who criticise it are reactionary is short-sighted, because 'wokeness' does not represent any form of human progress."
So you assert. Here's a funny thing about your comment: Like all of the other reactionary dupes, you can go on at length describing "wokeness" with a litany of unpleasant adjectives but you don't bother to say what "wokeness" actually _is._
Define "wokeness," if you can.
Woke is reactionary. It's undoing decades of progress. Martin Luther King's dream of a world where the content of one's character is what matters is the polar opposite of woke.
@@axelbruv Define "woke," if you can.
@@shassett79 I can. It's a culture of judging someone's talents and abilities based on skin colour and gender. Discrimination and prejudice, essentially. Can you?
It’s quite ridiculous to claim he hates tribalism when you consider what is happening on trigonometry. Arguably he is profiting of divisiveness.
Is divisiveness when people dont agree with you?
I've just clicked on his channel, the most recent guests appear to be: Sam Harris, Aella, Eric Weinstein, Dr Sydney Watson, Bill Maher and Douglas Murray. Which tribe would you say they are all in?
@@jpa_fasty3997 Are you implying Jewishness or somthing?
@@user-yk2bu1en7f Haha :)
Such is the difficulty of written communication I'm not sure if that is an ironic statement or if you're genuinely asking. If it's the latter, no, I'm suggesting they don't fit neatly into any tribe.
@@jpa_fasty3997 Schizo Centrist. Eric Weinstein is a certified nut. Sam Harris loves to do a mutilated duck measuring contest every time the word “Muslim” is in the news cycle. Bill Maher is the most vapid contrarian out there, an idiots idea of what a smart person is. I recently saw a Douglas Murray interview with Alex O’Conner, he’s quite embarrassing imo.
Threw me there for a minute by talking about trigonometry.
I'd say I'm definitely pro-equalateral but respect those who are more isoscelese.
In my personal experience, whenever someone claims to be "neither right or left wing" they then proceed to say the most far-right shit at some point.
Far right as in you don't like the facts they spew. That is your problem.
boom! nailed it @@mr.centrist5789
@@mr.centrist5789 Far right as in aligning with far right positions.
@@ElectricAlien577 Which are simply facts you don't like. Far Right HOW???
Having one opinion that is far right doesn't make someone completely far right you know. I like feminine coloured clothes, doesn't make me gay
I've always struggled to identify what's 'left' about Kisin's policies.
Did you not listen to what he said in the video? He said he was in favour of drug legalisation, abortion rights, redistribution of wealth and a welfare state.
@@LeeStoneman Precisely. Most people don't have a 'check all the boxes' set of beliefs that adhere to one political extreme. Especially if they live in a time when the definitions of political factions ebb like we have today. Some people will adopt new values to closer align to some perception of morality, especially in times like ours where people are very polarized. But that's a reaction to the system and not an individual's general default.
This is what happens when you comment without watching the video
@@LeeStonemanbeing in favor of abortion and weed legalisation in the UK are ot exclusively a left wing policies. These are actually quite popular with Conservatives his age and younger. As far as "redistribution of wealth and the welfare state" we need détails cause only hardcore Conservatives are completely against taxation and any social program and they're a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of the population. For instance, Rishi Sunak did the furlow scheme, does it make him a centrist? There's universal credit and other benefits under a Tory government, does it make them "centrists" as well?
Lots of suggestions from Konstantin as to how he is supporting Left policies. He is in favour of redistribution and a welfare state but reducing the tax burden. But when push comes to shove, does he support redistribution when it increases the burden on the wealthy? Nothing Konstantin has said on tax and spending indicates any real support for a functioning welfare state or the idea that "markets can't solve everything".
Supports stricter immigration control
Supports decriminalizing drugs
Supports reducing burdens on business while creating a welfare state, but also doing wealth redistribution?
Supports resolving economic externalities.
Can't attract left-leaning guests.
So one strongly right wing idea and several moderate to libertarian positions. He's... Center-Right.
How dare you use evidence, logic and a well reasoned argument in a you tube comment.
Well if you watch his podcasts, it’s basically platforming and supporting right wing figures whilst also allowing them to rewrite history to make themselves look much better, sound and not like they failed to achieve anything when in power without any pushback or accountability. Plus there is this air of admiration towards them like they are his idols
@@mohammedhussain6749"platforming" it's always telling when people use that word. You give yourself away mate 👍
Everything to the Right of Leftist is Right-Wing - no?
"Can't attract left-leaning guests."
There's a difference between 'wont' invite and 'can't' attract. The latter is the fact that a LOT of leftists simply wont talk to anyone outside of their echo chamber. Leftists love to identify any 'right wing' traits in people so that they can blacklist and exclude those people from the conversation.
"I hate teams." Next breath - "I like being part of a team..." 🙄
Keep going. ‘Being part of a team he’s chosen to be a part of’ He’s talking about not being tribal, putting himself in a box vs letting others do that. Huh given the context he makes a pretty good point, but go off and try to get your dunk I guess purposefully quote mining while ignoring his actual point
This is such a nothing comment - taking something out of context and purposefully misinterpreting their argument in order to attack them is a sign of low intelligence. If you had any academic, political or philosophical integrity then you would attack one’s argument at its strongest. Shame.
What an awful take.
Guys, try to criticise me all you want, but he straight up contradicted himself. Don't pretend that he didn't. Finish the sentence after "..." if you like. Doesn't change a thing.
Also, I didn't quote mine (I didn't even watch the show) and I didn't misrepresent anything.
Any of you seriously going to tell me that I'm wrong? That he didn't contradict himself?
7:47: "The point of Triggonometry is to provide balance. Not that we need to keep our own show balanced, it's perfectly fine to be heavily biased to the right to offset the heavy leftward bias in the MSM. (Even though our audience never watches the MSM, and only watches us and similar shows, so we're not providing balance to them at all.)
6:50: Oh yeah, all my leftist homies agree that if you believe in free speech, you're on the rightwing. All my homies hate free speech. It's a completely reasonable characterization of us.
5:33: "These are all very American conversations, abortion is a settled issue in this country. So it's irrelevant. But, if it _weren't_ settled, I would think it's more ethical to severely pull back rights to abortion."
Yeah, abortion was settlsd in the US. Until it wasn't. UK was in the EU... until it wasn't. Nothong is for ever on the human world.
It's a balanced show, they've had Nigel Farage on it like 5 or 6 times and had Matt Goodwin on rambling about IQ and Eugenics.
@@geeman.8081 Oh, for a second I thought you were serious about it being balanced 🤣
@@dant3175 it's easy scam to see through. It's the money plan established by such "leftist" people like Dave Rubin.
The only balance that show has is between pure monetary gain and pure propaganda.
What exactly is it that people want to say but they're not able to?
"A trans woman isn't a real woman." Watch yourself get fired, de-platformed and blacklisted.
Gina Carano was not only fired by Disney, they retroactively purged her from all historical media and had her blacklisted industry-wide. You should see exactly what she posted to get her fired, it was the most inoffensive, neutral statement ever that they used to destroy her because she was already a conservative on their shit-list. Btw, she was on that shit-list because people demanded she post her pronoun and she wrote "beep bop boop" - they absolutely lost it over that "transphobic statement."
What a great interview. Fantastic host as always and brilliant guest. Please can you send this to Peter Hitchens so he can learn how to grow up and behave?!
what for
politeness is fictitious benevolence - no need for it in a discussion
i'd rather hear an unrestrained opinion than Kisins arrogantly obvious lies about his believes, as if nobody knows his usual stands
He's not. Views that were normal 20 years ago are now considered "far right."
Comments are the complete opposite of what I was expecting. Apart from being slightly less bothered about immigration, my views align with what KK said here and I view myself as Left-wing. It would seem these days that the litmus test of your political position is whether you're critical of the excesses of the Left or not. If you spend a lot of time bashing 'wokeness' you are right wing and if you spend your time repeating slogans that are devoid of nuance and based on half-truths, you're a true Lefty. Since Alex is fairly intellectual, I'd assume his audience would be too. On that point, I'm not sure why anyone of an intellectual persuasion would want to align themselves with the current Left, since it is ardently anti-intellectual. Yet to think freely is to be called Right-wing because you actually arrive at some uncomfortable conclusions when you follow the logic, rather than your emotions and surface-level 'empathy'.
Hence why it's increasingly being compared to a religion. Lots of stuff that comes out of the current left is dogmatic and vapid. Had the same reaction reading the comments. Didn't know Alex's audience was so full of midwits.
The left is most definitely not anti-intellectual. The reason so many ridiculous far-left views has survived is precisely because they're propagated by intellectuals, a profession which consists of an infinite amount of freedom and a non-existing amount of responsibility.
@@etrs 'Intellectual' being all things pertaining to the pursuit of knowledge, truth and analysis. Not 'intellectual' in the sense of ''well ackshully I've got a PhD in intersectional gender studies of transembryonic west africans and its relation to ancient egyptian feminism''. It absolutely is anti-intellectual in the sense that the exploration of certain things is prohibited, following data to a natural conclusion is prohibited. It's anti-intellectual in the sense you have to accept certain dogmatic ideas without question. I could go on, but you get my point. By the way... both of your comments @etrs and @MrPlatonist are hidden by UA-cam. I had to switch to 'Newest First' to view them.
I had a very similar reaction reading the comments.
The left is anti-intellectual how? You mean some random lefty college students have slogans you don't like? The right-wing which is anti-climate change, still waiting for trickle-down economics, anti-science "establishment", anti-academia, and empowers evangelicals (see the current speaker of the house).
“The religious left” ☠️
What? These collectivist ideologies like Marxism, fascism, national socialism are considered modern religions
@@mrsentencename7334no. They're not 😂 not by any definition. It's just asserted by people who have no real arguments.
@@sigmascrubhe literally explains in the video how they can be seen as religions -.- but sure pretend he didn’t
@@sigmascrub I’ve read alot of historical and modern literature on the topic, something tells me you mr sigma, is the one who doesn’t know the subject
@@mrsentencename7334and all you have to do for those things to be religion is to completely change the definition of religion to one that is not widely used.
6:26 Look at that viewing bump on the gun issue. I think he hits the mark on the American gun issue. Having guns in America made the country so effed up that people who know how unburdening and delightful it is to live in a country without them, would purchase and train with guns.
Something you find a lot about “censored” comedians like this guy is that they have never been successful or liked within that industry and yet have suddenly found a new one that works well for them the moment they got “censored”.
Amazing to think that you live in a time when censorship is an issue, and you're on the pro censorship side, I don't know how people reconcile themselves with that
@@danw5760 I am on the side of the censored; journalists being fired or killed for reporting the truth, academics being destroyed for standing up for human rights, hell I’m even opposed to people being fired for being openly conservative (a rarity that happens just as much if not less than being fired for supporting left wing causes does) but I am not on the side of hacks who can’t book gigs because they’re not very good at their jobs or provocateurs who want free speech to say whatever they want but call anyone who dares to say anything in return that isn’t blind agreement censorious. If you are on the side of the latter you are a mark and you have been conned. Konstantin is very much the latter. Just an absolutely talentless, unlikable freak who’s found a very easy source of income.
@@danw5760 Where did they say they were pro-censorship? The comment is pointing out the irony that these days there are a great number of comedians and commentators who make a career out of "being censored." Although I will point out that it's not just previously unsuccessful comics, but established ones too, like Ricky Gervais and Dave Chappelle. These guys are out here complaining about being "censored" while literally being paid millions to perform in a packed out arena for a stand up special that will streamed all over the world.
@@mintybadgerproductions it's implicit, people are saying that there is a problem with censorship, cancellation is part of that, and he, and you, are on the opposing side saying there is no issue. Therefore, because there actually is an issue, you are pro censorship. It's true that both those names were not cancelled, but only because they are too big to be cancelled, they say things that most plebs would be cancelled for. There is absolutely a problem with censorship in this age and I reiterate, it's extraordinary to me that some people end up on the pro censorship side. It's just really weird, when in history have the tyrannical censors been the good guys?
@@danw5760 I’m not pro-censorship, nor do I believe there aren’t any issue with censorship at the moment, but at the risk of sounding like I’m sitting on the fence, it’s a complex issue, partly because the real-world application of free speech is nuanced and partly because what/who is cancelled is inconsistent. Some have their careers demolished, while others like the aforementioned comedians say what they want on huge platforms with relative impunity. You say it’s because they’re “too big” (although as history proves, nothing is too big to fail) whereas “most plebs would be cancelled” yet go on comment sections and you’ll find the most offensive shit possible. There has never been a time in history where so many people have a platform to voice their opinions, however horrible, and for the majority, have impunity.
It also seems to me that many “pro-free speech” commentators conflate criticism/outrage with censorship. Freedom of speech also means the freedom to object. Telling someone they shouldn’t say something is criticism. Actively stopping someone from saying something or having them punished for saying something is censorship. And censorship is wrong. Or is it?
Here is where freedom of speech gets complicated, because isn’t slander/libel, false accusation, deceit and false advertisement all technically free speech? The same applies to hate speech. I’m not just referring to racism / sexism / homophobia etc. but also plain old verbal abuse/bullying. That’s free speech, but should it go unpunished? I doubt many people actually believe in pure free speech because quite frankly, it crosses into the immoral. The eternal debate is where do you draw the line between liberty and moral responsibility?
This guy has made a career out of speaking about 'wokeness' what a bore.
@sg23148why do you need it defined for you? It's quite obvious what people mean
Don't see what's 'bore' about standing up to concentration camps, degeneration and anti-science.
@sg23148 you don't offer much to the discussion do you
Nothing wrong with calling out racism and sexism
@@randomusername3873 but there is alot wrong with misrepresentation, distortions and false accusations
Konstantlin Griftin
its this though.
Is Alex a grifter in relation to the atheistic community?
This dude is progressive af… if this was the 50s.
Try 2012
Yeah try 2012. Or Russia. Or most of the world, for that matter. Seriously, try getting outside of the west and seeing what most people's views are.
Come to Siberia, or the notorious strip, my love, I’ll show you the Middle Ages in 2023
I don´t think he ever said he was progressive, so I don´t think this is the "own" that you think it is. He just said he had some progressive opinions, which he then listed. He could have lied of course, but unless you have proof that he did so, I don´t really get what your issue is. Having said that, his show is certainly right-leaning, and some of the names on their guest list are suspect to say the least.
LMFAO 😂
i dont know this guy but if you unironically call it "the religious left" you've got some serious soul searching to do
The left IS religious,
one of the left’s collective religious beliefs is to deny their inherent and obvious neo-religiosity
What he means by that is that leftists in the modern day have an echo chamber that is as dogmatic and exclusionary as a religion. You cannot question the left on their positions, otherwise you are evil, and a right wing extremist. There is no 'soul searching' to do when it's already been done, in admitting that leftism has changed and become more authoritarian in the modern era.
@@geekofsteal Well said
soul searching for being correct? The constant purity testing done by the modern left is insane. You tell a right winged person ure right winged they'll believe you instantly, you tell a left winged person you're left winged and they'll try to test you
I mean some of the extreme left do seem to have made a religion out of their ideals.
If he's not a Conservative - why does almost everything he says sound like a Tory talking point? I'm sure he thinks of himself as a centrist. I've found that centrists are generally just "shy Tories" because when you push them on anything the Tory talking points all come out
You're right, everyone who is not a clear Marxist is a Tory and can only have beliefs unique to one point on the British political spectrum of 2023
If having balanced views is being a raging kkk member then I'm afraid most people are.
@@ZipMapp no one's saying he's a KKK member lol what are you talking about
@@matt69nice That's basically the implications because there's apparently no distinction between a centrist and a right wing conservative.
The Tories ain't even conservatives anymore, they are like Labour painted blue.
The fact that he thinks being pro free speech is a Right-Wing trait makes it a little hard to take him seriously when he says he's a Centrist. Conservatives like to say, "I may not like what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it." But their actions do not match their words. They've had the opportunity to defend free speech from the Left several times in the last few years, and have failed to do so. They only care about free speech when it's something they agree with. They want to say whatever racist, bigoted crap they want without consequences, but a guy kneels during the National Anthem and they immediately get to canceling him.
Conservatives love to call themselves Centrists. That just means that they like to think they are more reasonable than Conservatives tend to be. They like to think that they are free thinkers as they align themselves completely with Right-Wing social issues. So, yeah, I don't buy this defense.
@Pollockcomedy - He heavily implied that free speech is something Conservatives care about, while Liberals do not. This is while he is trying to give examples of opinions he holds from both sides.
No freedom of speech to opponents of freedom of speech
There are areas where I agree with Konstantin, and areas where I don't, but I respect the consistent process he applies to his thinking. Where I absolutely do agree with him is his position on the woeful state of our public discourse which seeks to label and tribalise positions and views on any and every topic. Like Konstantine, there are views I hold which could easily see me labelled 'right wing' or 'woke left' depending on the listener. Political preferences and personal values don't care about objective truth. I fear we've lost focus on that.
I don't think that he is particularly consistent other than the fact he is sticking with his opinions.
For one example, he is fine with changing laws with regards to drugs and decriminalisation of them, however he is also complaining about "illegal" immigration, and not considering changing the laws with regards to that.
Here I am not saying if either view is wrong, but it isn't consistent.
Separately, objective truth matters, but two people can look at the same truth and have different opinions, or come to different conclusions based on their circumstances.
Looking at the same truth and seeing different things I will use something uncontroversial as an example, is the colour turquoise, two people can look at the same colour, and one may say it looks more blue, and the other may say it looks more green.
The same thing can go for coming to different conclusions based on the same truth, again, something uncontroversial, two people are looking at the last slice of a cake and both want it, so they will both act to get it, the only objective truth would be that there is only one cake slice left.
These same situations can happen in more controversial areas, and that is the whole reason for politics.
Focus on labels? These guys throw out meaningless labels like "Classical Liberal" all the time. How about we look at their content and their audience? And in that, he is just another right-wing reactionary.
Except his entire channel is interviews with mainstream right wing commentators, that he nods along with.
When you think about it... Logically... You will ALWAYS find agreement... And disagreement... With every other Human Being on the Planet! This phenomenon is called Individuality! Hence why the ONLY way we will get anywhere as a species, is agreement by Consensus!
You will NEVER have your cake, and eat it too! Not while there are another 8.x billion other individuals to consider! End Of!
The problem? We are starting to lose this ability, as both Left and Right take up even more extreme positions to counter one another.
@@sdwone interviewing and regualrly siding with and adopting the views of right wing commentators with almost zero pushbac and pretending to be logical and balanced is a laughable fallacy. Nothing logical or balanced about konstantins take on a lot of things. His one sided reporting and discussions on Israel-plaestine for example have been completely ridiculous. This is a common tactic of the right to claim 'facts' and being 'logical' Ben Shapiro, Douglas murray and those other grifters do it regularly. I have never seen kk push any real left wing narrative or claim to support in any meaningful way but he's he's shown a hell of a lot of support for the right wing despite denying support for them.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.
No one is complaining about critics, were complaining about censorship, deplatforming, debanking, etc.
I can't even type out debanking without getting spell corrected.
It’s good to hear someone like Konstantin speak, because he is obviously a smart man, but more importantly it is clear that he speaks genuinely and authentically (a word that seems to have a distorted meaning these days).
I agree with his stances on various topics, but probably disagree with plenty to, but that is also fine of course.
It's hilarious watching morons assess what intelligence is. Yes, because you're totally qualified......
@@jshowao-rw1dh I watched some of his interviews a while ago and I enjoyed the content. It wasn’t at all some strange wannabe Tucker Carlson or Shapiro type of meaningless drivel, far from it, despite what the name might make some people inclined to believe. In fact, the guy is clearly not a conservative, as he confirmed in this video… even if he is critical of some of the most modern movements in the left oftentimes.
It is a tad intellectually dishonest to stop oneself at the name of a show, book, channel, content or whatever it is one is trying to critique… without taking a least a small amount of time to watch one or a few of the said content and making a more sound and valuable criticism.
And I’m saying this as somebody who has considered themselves “left” on the political spectrum (along with the philosophical ramifications that led to that conclusion) for most of my time alive on this Earth. We should be smarter, wiser and more nuanced to know better than to outright dismiss and categorize others in a certain box simply based on superficial markers such as a name they might have used and applying our own interpretation of the name unto their content (even though the content might be completely different from what we thought from the “title” or the “headlines”)… as they say, “don’t judge a book by its cover”.
That is just “bad faith”, as Sartre put it, logically fallacious and lazy (going only by headlines or big titles, stopping our thought there to emit reactionary judgement). Sure, plenty of people on the far right thrive on doing such things with “lefty” sounding stuff… and plenty of people on FB judge everything and reality based only on headlines… but is that the best way to live one’s life? Or is that an intellectual or philosophical level one should aspire to bow down or downgrade to? Why? We are better than that, I’m sure. And if the guy interviewed in this video chose a clickbaity name, while still sticking true to his authentic philosophical and political thoughts and values… isn’t he just playing the game?
Maybe far right pundits and commentators thrive on YT and other social media’s algorithm due to being willing to play the game without any shame or without doubting themselves much. When a guy who has some leftists opinions does the same and might use a more effective marketing technique to use an eye catching name or title for his channel and some other techniques that work in driving attention to his channel and helping him grow it to a noteworthy level, with it can contend with more right wing stuff that is overrepresented on this site and online as a whole… why are leftists bashing this guy for daring thinking out of the box and being a tad strategic? That is why the left has had such trouble keeping relatable and popular among a big chunk of Gen Z, more than the alt-right: because people can smell bullsh*t from a mile away, and sanctimonious unauthentic b.s. is not something appealing to the younger generations.
Refusing to play the game in an attempt at “virtue” only makes you appear as a fake, a phoney, somebody who lacks authenticity, a masochist, a fool. You have to show that you truly can contend and stay pertinent in the ecosystem and that you strive to truly push your ideas forward with a substantial amount of people who truly will listen to you and give you their attention. You either do that or get eating alive by the algorithm. And you do not get there by being the prototypical “noce guy” or “nice gal” who will refuse to play by the rules of the game. You get there through rational actions, lots of strategy and an authentic relation with your community that you put effort into building over long periods of time. It is the truth. Better to accept it and own it, show courage to be authentic in that way that people admire, regardless of your views… than act fake and fail miserably at some point or another.
Not to the weak leftist soyjacks who make up Alex O’s fan base.
I am sick of right wingers who don't have the balls to admit they are on the right. I am assuming they are motivated by cowardice and that he is not just ignorant about what the label means. Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Jordan Peterson have performed similarly
@@justinwatson1510- no, they just don't agree with your categorization. There's no clear distinction between left and right and most people are going to be closer to the center, holding a spattering of left leaning and right leaning policies.
This is how I've felt for years. Everything about this topic exists within its context. And even beyond that, definitions and self labeling can change as society's views change, too. I sat my mom down a few months ago and had her take a bit of a quiz I'd made up on "Are you right or left wing today?" and had to explain to her why so many of her long standing values are perceived as right wing now. And that it isn't that she has changed, but that what society values has changed. And that with time it will change again, and again, and again. And as Konstintin points out, if we lived in a different coutry and I gave her my 'quiz' her results might be totally different based on that place's political and societal values.
Question for you people....what's wrong with being right wing? A lot of commenters here use that word like it's the boogeyman. Is is because H1tl3r was right wing? Everyone knows he was a horrible man, but have you also owned up the the fact that leftist extremist governments have k1lled arguably more people than right wing governments? This isn't an argument that liberalism/leftism is bad because Stalin or Mao existed, it's an argument that only a very small fraction of radical right wing or left wing political figures, or people, exist. You can be right wing and not be the very worst of humanity, in the same way that leaning left does not make you Stalin or Mao. This statement SHOULDN'T be controversial, but it seems like modern leftists think it is.
Nothing wrong with it. Most people in comments are pretty narrow minded it seems.
A lot of ‘isms’ are in fact really religions. Marxism for example, a good one. Everything must be turned over to one goal to reach the promised land (which is similar to the afterlife, in that nobody knows if it exists, since no one has been there, let alone returned from). For Marxism this must be the ‘liberation’ of the working people, in Wokism it must be the liberation of the suffering people, etc. And if people must be killed or cancelled to get there so be it.
Like religion, it usually infects people who start out to think about politics. Young people, who start to think in an idealistic fashion, but in stead of thinking for themselves, they read Marx, and perhaps too little Solzhenitsyn.
And like in religion, the believers have certain moral constructs, which makes them shout ‘repend’ at those they consider infidels.
Right wing policies are pro rich and anti poor. They tend to be sexist, hostile to the lgbt community, care little about the environnement, obsessed with nationalism, nativism and decrees on whos a "real x nationality" and whos not... people. People dont like right wingers because we dont like right wing policies. Right wingers dont like left wing policies. Whats hard to understand about this?
He says he's not interested in being tribal but you only need to look at who he has interviewed in regards the the Israel Palestine crisis to see the reality of the situation.
or that's your bias...
@@tonypalmentera7752that's not bias. I saw the video on Douglas Murray, in which he basically spread lies and fake stories about Islam. Ironically, whilst supporting the actions of the IDF, he thinks he hasa moral high ground
Anti-Tribalism does not equate to free from bias. I think you are just mad that he has a different viewpoint than your own.
@@MH-bf4uuwhat lie and fake stories does he tell about Islam? Kinda interested.
@@420habicht3probably the ones we in Eastern Europe all known for generations and west kids refuse to see
You should interview Nina Paley next! Love her to bits.
"I don't know what being on the right means anymore"
Right Wing = "I'll take care of me and my family, you take care of yours, the strongest will survive."
Left Wing = "Let's all take care of each other so that everyone can thrive together."
When you understand that "left" and "right" are instincts not just labels or political parties, you realise why they can't all get along.
its really not that easy. Rightwing need cooperation to. every civilization does. the strongest survive is more like some african country.
@@pavelvalenta2426 Don't confuse cooperation with subordination. The Right Wing are typically the ruling class, the wealthy, the powerful .
The instincts of the left are to share, the instincts of the right are to take. Selfishness is the core ethos of the Right Wing.
If 10 people are in a group, 9 of them are lefties, one of them is Right Wing, the 9 will share, the 1 will take and as a result, the 1 will end up with the resources, the 9 will then slaves or in modern times employees (which is just a nicer term).
@@TheDandonian i think the left 9 want to take from the one person. Person woth money and skill. But ať the end they go out of money of other people or destroy their motivation. And than ekonomy fail. It happen all the time with comunism. Its not work anywhere. Like you need to have it balanced. The inovative people, entrepreneurs are the people who push the economy. And you need to have good environment for bussines. Than you can redistribute some of the wealth they generate. But the best distribution is through good salary of capable employes whose made money for the company. Not through wellfare. So right maybe dont want to share, they want you to elevate yourselves not to beg, but to earn your money and respekt. Because that made everyone stronger and it made strong country. That is why us is strongest economy on the world... but yeah top percentage dokud share more, nothing against it.
for all the tribalist on her labelling him right wing, the question you should ask yourself if somebody is one thing or another is can you guess what their views are on x if they are supposedly right wing. for example in his case you would case he is for banning drugs because you think he's right wing. but in fact he's not. quite the opposite.
stop labelling people for one view they have. it's easy to tell when someone is actually tribal because you can guess where they stand on any given subject when it comes up. I bet we could all guess where candace owens stands on just about everything. she's tribal that's why.
I really wonder how many people think this way, because I feel the same way and I find it so outrageous to think anyone could say they're on the left or right. Especially when they seem to be able to shift to the other side so easily after they disagree with a couple bad actors on their chosen sides.
There's so much nuance involved that I couldn't possibly say I'm one or the other but I certainly have views that are all over the political spectrum.
What are some of your leftist political views?
If only the left would practice what they preach..but they don't.
It's a hive mindset and if you're not with them, you're against them.
I have this conversation too often especially online. Contrarian thought, and critical thinking has been replaced by the status quo. It’s right we can’t question it. And if I do I’m mislabeled every distasteful name in the book for not submitting to the hive mind. Yeah GTFO with that garbage.
is the hive mind in the room with us?
@@JGarcia-yr9fx One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us. One of us.
"I am not right wing...I just believe in the same things right wingers do".
*Some* of the things, in case you weren't paying attention, he also believes in some of the things left wingers do, in case you weren't paying attention. What is right and what is left even depends on who you're asking, in case you weren't paying attention. Wow, you're not great at paying attention, are you?
@@フフウェイthey just wanna dunk on him because they perceive him as right wing and ring wing = bad
@@フフウェイ
did you actually listen to the things he claimed were left wing views?
Drugs isn't a leftwing issue.
Abortion isn't a leftwing issue.
And while he said he was in favour of hte welfare state (which in the UK is not a left wing issue) he notably said he was in favour of reducing taxes for businesses - which shows his underlying right wing attitude, despite his protestations. The thing is, people on the Right know that left wing views are considered good, and so he claims them for himself because he wants to be considered good.
But it's a sham.
So yes. I was paying attention.
@@bengreen171 I don't know what is considered right or left in the UK, and I don't know the guest. But just FYI; Alex claimed that abortion was a leftwing issue not the guest (which it is; in the US, don't know about the UK).
@@bengreen171 I don't really think the left/right dichotomy is helpful, that said if drug decriminalisation, significant wealth distribution, a welfare state, and government intervention in markets aren't left leaning policies what is?
😂😂😂 Kisin recently agreed with everything in a recent Douglas Murray podcast with what the hate-filled, particularly obnoxious opinions of the later asserted throughout. Muslim phobic, Israel apologist and much more. What he claims about himself as being not RW, is BS...
No matter how many times I read your comment I am no closer to knowing what you mean
Make you sense no. Hell what the about talk?
@@danw5760 Kisib is firmly very right wing.
@@danw5760 Kisib is unpleasantly right wing.
It does not surprise me that the guy who thinks "communism is worse than fascism" agrees with the author of Neoconservatism: Why We Need It on most key issues of our time.
Never heard of Alex O'Connor, and based on a few clips I watched, I'm a fan. I like that genuinely tries to understand the person's position as best as possible instead of outright attacking it (which is how most UA-cam interviews go, at least in my feed).
"Abortion is a settled issue in this country."
Many Americans probably thought so too for a couple of decades.
I hate teams. I like being part of a team that I've chosen to be part of.
This is a brilliant interview, thanks for posting, Alex! I love how Kisin describes how the same political view can be on the left or right spectrum in different countries.
Lol
Its a great demonstration of how countries outside europe are completely detached from the true political meaning of things, where political terms have been used as charges against a persons integrity until the definition is almost meaningless.
Even in one country one thing can be on different sides, depending how you define the sides. For example in Russia, as Konstantin said, left can mean progressive (human rights) or socialist (USSR), and right can mean racist nationalism or economic freedoms.
Love your podcast. An instant classic! However, did you see this man's support for Braverman? This man is very much far right, in the British political context.
@@johncollins2557 Thank you! Do you consider him far right on the spectrum, for example close to far right groups like the National Front, the British Movement, or the British Union of Fascists?
This guy would be a communist in the USA based on his economic policies. I know first hand because I share his views on having social safety nets for the most vulnerable and people call me a commie. It's ridiculous how economically far-right the US is.
I would assume if you took his current views and would place him in the US. He would likely be to the right in how he votes. That’s what matters at the end of the day. If he weighs his views border issues, gun issues, and likely views on abortion rights heavier than his other views. He would likely vote to the right. That’s one of the unfortunate issues with voting in the US or any two party system.
His economic positions wouldn't be communist in America. The American right would call his economic views communist, but the American right also calls tax cuts, economic stimulus and gay people groomers so I Don't think we should take their opinions terribly seriously.
not right enough, given how unfree the market is, and how regulations are causing crony capitalism, given that's who lobbied them into law to begin with, and that's what's keeping us even poor enough to need a social safety net.
I hate repubibloods and democrips...but in terms if economics, we're in this boat because conservatives are too left on economics. We need the right to be libertarian, and the left too. Rothbard and SEK3 (Konkin III) for the win; right and left libertarian economics.
What we have from conservatives is crony capitalism...and what we get from progressives is Marxism...(hence they call you a commie).
@@Molly-jh4kz I have the same exact economic positions he articulated in this video and I am routinely called a commie and a socialist, by republicans and centrist-democrats. I agree we shouldn’t take them seriously, but people do take them seriously.
EDIT: Look at the comment directly above mine and you will see a great example of exactly what I’m talking about.
But someone in the US calling you a commie, says much more about people’s lack of education, especially political education, in the US than you actually being categorised as a commie.
Can somebody help me understand how the decriminalization of drugs will lead to less drug use/drug addiction? My current view is that decriminalization will introduce _more_ drugs into society and people that would have otherwise avoided doing the criminal act of purchasing drugs would now be more susceptible to developing a drug addiction because it's legal.
To my understanding, the point of decriminalizing drugs isn't to make fewer people use it, but to make using it safer. When you don't have to get your weed from a dealer but can get it from a store, you aren't going to get something unclean that further hurts the body. And if you are addicted, it'll be easier to get help, because the substance you're addicted to isn't illegal. Also, drug-related arrests are disproportionally used as a way to arrest minorities, and that wouldn't be possible if they were legal. It follows a similar logic to "Making alcohol illegal just creates a black market for it, rather than stopping people from drinking".
My American wife was threatened with deportation when we moved to the UK despite an application being in progress. Didn't matter than we have a 9yr old British/American citizen and that we got married under a British marriage visa in Britain. Didn't matter than she had qualified as a British Teacher Assistant and was coming to participate in the improvement of our youth. Border Control refused her entry and tried to put her on the next plane. £7k later everything was approved with no pushback but that was part of our deposit for the house we wanted to buy then couldn't. Immigration isn't the problem, the system is.
This conversation gets to the heart of something i have thought for a long time, namely that there is no single party or 'team' that represents my views.
I think that climate change is important but the green team refuse to embrace nuclear power.
I believe that the rule of law of integral to society but the blue team help their mates in the city escape justice.
I believe in a market economy, but sometimes there is a natural monopoy (health, water, rail)
It's like there needs to be a more direct democracy where pople get to have their say on many different issues, rather than picking a team to represent their views.
i do not understand why people think nuclear is green energy. it uses a non-renewable resource to produce waste that can't even be handled for tens of thousands of years.
I think the perception of the problem gets magnified by assuming, "If I am for x, then the other party must, of some necessity, be -x". If I am pro-environment, the other side must be anti-environment, for example. This is a simplistic and faulty logic. People who are decent and just and good will do good and reasonable things, you really don't have to worry much about that. The problem is that most people are not GOOD.
Personally I've always found it strange when people are firmly staunch about their political positions. We all agree no one is perfect right? Why would anyone think they're right about all political issues? That seems crazy to me.
P.S. I'm not going to doctor my thought, I'm really liking some of the well articulated arguments. 😄
Yes I agree. There is no practical distinction between political ideology and cultish theology at this point. Everyone is completely convinced their side is right.
There is a difference between confidently espousing your beliefs whilst allowing for the possibility that you might be wrong, and avoiding taking any stance out of fear that you might be wrong. The former takes courage and humility, the latter requires neither.
The people who take a stance are the ones that actually change the world, for better or worse; the people who don't just get swept along by the tide.
@@Eden_Laika ya well said
@@AProudDad I'm not sure if you think I agree with you, but I don't.
I agree, I'm an ex muslim and find it hard to reconcile many of the religious teachings and myth with humanitarian values and scientific facts. But at the same, there are many elements of the liberal and secular way of life that I find very decadent. At the end of the day, I just accept that I'm a human and I will always have to compromise when it comes to politics and ideologies.
He said a lot of words but didn't really say anything of substance lol
- "I consider abortion murder but wouldnt outlaw it"
- "I don't think free market is a good solution"
- "I think addictions should be taken care of in the scope of healthcare"
Did we watch the same video?
@@j8000 Well think harder then. Maybe it's the most compassionate take but you're unable to grasp it.
@@j8000 He said abortion was killing but not murder
@@j8000 why is that nonsense? He said killing, and not all killing is outlawed (I'm sure every country has its exceptions) so it's actually pretty standard opinion to hold
@@luernios9075 you're right, I misspoke. His position is consider it killing, but not something he'd outlaw. It's deranged and legally incoherent.
Killing, even when done accidentally, is, and should be illegal. This is called manslaughter.
Killing, when premeditated and intentionally, is murder.
What exactly was wrong with the religious right? As I remember, they were all about keeping vulgar and adult content out of the public square where children would be exposed. Something I would love to go back to, frankly. I don't remember any mobs of black clad, balaclava-wearing Christians taking over intersections, or breaking windows.
To all of Alex's left and or far left listeners, is it really impossible for you to conceive of a centrist that might talk about issues with the left wing primarily because they see the extreme left as the greater threat to society at large?
Is it really impossible for a person who is not right wing to be highly concerned with extreme left-wing ideology?
Some of you need to just grow up and learn to look at politics as more than a simple black and white / good and evil narrative where " liberal" is always good and "conservative" is always bad. Politics is far more complicated than that. If you are liberal and you cannot think of ANY examples of a conservative being correct or hold zero conservative opinions or if you are conservative and cant think of any liberal ideas that are valuable, then you are not a serious person. You are outsourcing your thinking to an ideology that does all your thinking FOR you and, in that sense, are little more than a tool for that ideology.
Imagine a centrist in Germany in the late 30s was concerned because of the rise of right wing extremism in their country, but whenever they critiqued the extreme right they were always just accused of being a "marxist" to try and discredit them with the intellectuals. And any time the centrist tried to defend themselves from the accusation, all their critics would say are "really?! Then why do you spend all your time going after the extreme right?!?!"
Because the truth is, nearly anyone outside of far left echo chambers is aware of how radical and ridiculous the far left has become. Many people who used to be proud to call themselves liberals feel like they don't fit anymore because it has changed so radically in the last 10 or so years.
If you cannot admit that, you're not paying attention, being deliberately ignorant, aren't a serious thinker, or else are so biased and caught in your own echo chamber that its blinded you to any reality outside your ideology.
It's perfectly possible to view the issues of the left as the greater threat to society at large. You just have to be an enormous dumbass first.
Tories have been in charge since 2010. Some angry anarchist at a campus somewhere isn't what's driving poverty and starvation.
That's a separate question because he *is* sufficiently right leaning that calling him a centrist isn't really accurate. For a person who is actually a centrist, that depends on what you mean by 'extreme left-wing'. Most centrists recognise that concerns about the left are over-egged by the media, to be genuinely concerned about 'extreme' left-wing ideology is to have no perspective or sense of proportionality, and to be controlled by fears that the media has placed in your mind.
@@matt69nice I disagree. I'm pro choice, pro public option healthcare, pro free speech, pro gay rights, and have a slew of "left" leaning opinions but I'm also against the extreme cultural theories and obsessions of far left extremists. I'm against their pro censorship attitudes, their illogical ideas about policing and crime, their extremist anti-capitalist messaging as well as others.
I think, if anything, most media downplays the effect that the far left has had on our culture. Every major corporation has to, or at least has to pretend to, be in line with far left cultural values and promote their ideological narratives about race, gender, colonialism, "oppression", and other concerns. Nearly all major news outlets parrot these concerns and agree with these far left narratives. The only major news outlets that dare to buck this orthodoxy are the explicitly right wing ones like Fox.
You may not agree that the far left poses a threat to society at large but that doesn't mean that anyone who does is a "conservative". Not that that would necessarily be a bad thing. There are plenty of rational conservative thinkers. But people, like me, who hold many non conservative opinions are sick of being pigeon holed as "conservatives" as a method of de-egitimizing our criticism of the far left. Because we are aware that to many left wing "intellectuals" all you have to do to stop someone else from being taken seriously is to convince your followers that the opposing voice is "conservative" and then you're audiences' mind will be closed to them.
This happens the other way around, of course, but I tend to agree with Konstantine that it's a bigger issue with the left because they have more power, more influence, they are in control of the institutions that teach the next generation, and it seems like young radicals are particularly closed minded to listening to opposing viewpoints. They seem almost proud of it, like a strange sense of moral "purity" for being closed off from other ideas.
And imo, Konstantine holds opinion from both sides of the political spectrum. I think his concern for far left ideology makes him sympathetic to conservative voices but that doesn't make him conservative...
He bucked conservative orthodoxy when he criticized Matt Walsh for attacking Dylan Mulvaney so harshly. He got a lot of shit from conservatives for disagreeing with them about the war in Ukraine. He's pro choice. He's not religious. He's pro gay rights. If you actually listen to him you'd know he's not the type to automatically agree with a right wing opinion.
I think many of his critics have only heard his conservative takes and then base their entire assessment of his worldview on those opinions. I see people do this often on both sides. The second anyone says anything liberal they're a "libtard" "woke" whatever. And then the second anyone says anything slightly conservative they're "alt right" "Nazi" whatever. And it's legitimate to be concerned about far left and right ideology but we cannot base our assessment of people off of only the things we disagree with them on.
"To all of Alex's left and or far left listeners, is it really impossible for you to conceive of a centrist that might talk about issues with the left wing primarily because they see the extreme left as the greater threat to society at large? "
No, but Konstantin simply doesn't fit this description. He should first acknowledge that he is right wing. Then he can talk about the problems of the far left to his heart's content.
@@Besthinktwice that sounds just like bias speaking to me. If you think the extreme left cannot be a threat... That's a you problem.
Know what's worse than heavy bias?
Pretending you have no bias or misrepresenting it.
This man is so similar to my political position it's insane.
I’m “far right”, but I’m not conservative. The extreme far right is anarchist, it’s decidedly non-tribal. Constantin, like me, is Far Right.
anarcho capitalism is not anarchist.
And extreme far right is nazism.
“I reject those definitions.” That’s cute for an undergraduate poli sci course, but the prevailing bodies that determine laws that affect everyday life (at least in the US) use those definitions. So maybe a flat dismissal isn’t particularly helpful.
So you just locked yourself into groupthink.
@@1258-Eckhart We already are locked into a group think.
This is such an old game. Back in the day when I was consuming right wing content People like Sargon of Akkad and The Quartering would pose as disaffected liberals and Ben Shapiro would say he was a libertarian. Right wingers have to pretend to be more moderate and have to skew the political compass because especially young people do not want to be right wing. They never mention the enormous shift to the right the average conservative has made in the last 5 years, it's always the left that has lost reason. But fortunately reason and common sense is just what they are have.
No tribalism it's just that they are against gay marriage, abortion, constantly talk about the border and only amplify right wing voices on their platforms. It's just about common sense and reason, they aren't even that extreme when they say that every trans person is a groomer.
This is so tiring because it is the same spiel everytime. So many commentators that are now mask off right wingers keep doing this. I used to do it when I was a right winger, but the right got so crazy that I moved left,(also I grew up) which is ironically what they always keep claiming.
I respect the ones who are honest about being rightwing more than this lot. There's an air of pretentiousness.
On the left today, if you're not a radical then you're right wing.
Simple question which will clarify if you are on the left or right - can a man be a woman?
@@kroon275 man and woman are by every definition mutually exclusive, even by a leftist definition.
@@lynxsphynx9787 answering a question with a question is more revealing than you think
This guy is such a grifter.
Is Alex a grifter?
@@danw5760 No not at all. He seems very genuine indeed and comes to his conclusions with the best rationale he has at the time. And he is constantly revising his position with new information and properly steel man's his opponents. Kisin is just trying to be popular to steer public opinion. I suspect him of being spook adjacent.
@@shamanahaboolist oh I see, so you're a mind reader, I didn't factor that in to my initial scepticism
@@danw5760 If by "mind reader" you mean someone who listens to what people say and pays attention to how what they say and the way they say it reveals their true intent then yes, I am a mind reader.
@@shamanahaboolist no, let's get real now, you project intentions on to people that you disagree with for your own political convenience. There is no more reason to see kisin as a grifter than alex
I'm not a conservative either. I simply want equal personal liberty and limited government, to be left alone. The essence of liberty is leaving people alone. I don't see either side doing that.
How can there be personal liberty without the government to enforce it? The libertarian view of everyone playing fair when there are no rules just doesn't work.
@@ghenulo True that.
We get into lord of the flies territory when there aren't any structures or institutions set up. The reality is that the majority of people cannot get out of their own way and need tough love from an overseer (in a non slavery sense).
Achieving the happy medium is a different argument altogether.
Im an anarchist communist and i think free speech is important, and wanting it does not make you right wing.
I think it depends on what they want to do with their freedom of speech.
@@aidanchapman8548 distortion of facts should be subject to scientific scrutiny, and the morally apprehensive should be met with public outrage.
Konstantin was building a following but seemed to explode in popularity after some viral video. I haven't actually heard him say anything uniquely insightful. Just the same stuff you hear a hundred other similar dudes say. Maybe even he is shocked with his new gained popularity. He sometimes seems a little in over his head.
Nothing against the guy though. I sometimes agree, sometimes disagree with him, same as everyone!
There's a good discussion of his popularity explosion and his reaction to it in the podcast "Decoding the Gurus", Episode 83, "Triggernometry's Big Moment: Entering the Guru Galaxy".
Decoding the Gurus is great
Actually I don’t believe he’s trying or indeed needs to be insightful, as you say. What he is able to do very well is question the views of others and explore what makes them tick. As for the viral video you mention, he spoke very well at the Oxford Union on Woke attitudes to climate change and others which many people appreciated. That said, thanks for turning up and I look forward to hearing your own insightful insights one day.
@@MS-sb9ov pretty sure I'll never have any worth broadcasting 😅
he articulate it really good. Thats the point. and there is not too much dudes say it that way. not in mainstream.
I don’t have much reasons to trust that guy.
If you don’t trust him then he’s good enough for me
He hasn't asked you to trust him.
Do you have blue hair by any chance?
@@RyanJones-ew8vmhe clearly has bias. Look he he bought on to talk about israel/ Palestine. No other than Douglas murray😂😂. At least accept that you should try to get accurate historical facts from his channel
@@MH-bf4uu what are you actually talking about? "He has bias" no shit Sherlock! Everyone is bias🤣
Being much older than either of you two, born late fifties. Raised in the fun times of the 60s & 70s by Christian, conservative leaning😅 parents. I never thought the right to state your opinion freely, 1st amendment, was associated left or right. I associate it with intelligence.
Well put. I remember 20 years ago when the left were champions of free speech. I've seen oppressive, totalitarian thinking from the left and right; it's just that the recent left, based on social justice theory, is inspired by Marxist philosophy that has destroyed what the left once was.
In another 20 years it could very well being the right doing this again.
Good people do good things. It follows naturally. The key is, are we good people?
Bill Hicks and George Carlin would still through Konstantin's BS quickly.
He's definitely conservative just can't admit it. Nothing wrong with being conservative. "The Conservative Party" is a different thing though. Him and Francis can do a 2 hour interview with Nigel Farage and not push back on anything the guy says, they're both conservative.
I'm getting the feeling from many of the comments here that right wing is 'bad' and left wing is basically 'good'- with maturing years it's dawned on me that it may not be that simple.
I've seen this gentleman in many different media sessions and one things that we've seen over and over again is he's not principally consistent...
He wants to support all the policies and social norms of a label but he doesn't want to be labeled.
ALL social policies of what? What exactly makes him Conservative in your book?
@@mr.centrist5789 dont bother, people can literally watch a guy say he's pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-drug, and anti-gun, yet still call him a conservative. Joe Rogan is a 2-time Bernie supporter and he's constantly called a right-wing extremist.
If it quacks like a duck...
He didn't have time in this interview to drill down into specifics. But, being a conservative, I believe, IN GENERAL, people are responsible for their actions. I HAVE MANY situations where the philosophy needs to be adjusted for one situation or another. My one belief is never say never and never say always. Life is ALMOST never that clear. BUT, most times, the first impression is right. NOT ALWAYS but most times!
Yeah I agree with that. In my view conservatives generally focus almost exclusively on individualistic solutions whereas the left look to societal solutions.
So for example on the issue of drugs conservatives tend to offer solutions like "stop taking drugs" whereas the left tend to focus on more societal changes such as decriminalisation, access to support etc
If he isn’t conservative, why does he peddle the woke narrative.
What about tail wing?
Some conservatives argue that the war on drugs has been costly and ineffective, and they may support decriminalization as a way to reduce government spending and focus on more pragmatic solutions. The issue of drug decriminalization is not strictly aligned with either left-wing or right-wing political ideologies.
Lol so many people here hating on Constantin bevause he's for freedom of expression 😂
He's for consequence-free expression. He wants to say whatever he wants to say and not be criticized. What some might call a "snowflake."
which is what literraly no one is doing mkooij in these comments.
Because they’re pointing out his lies?
No one is criticising his freedom of speech, what they are criticising is his misdirection when answering the question, classic Jordan Peterson move. It’s also called moving the goal posts.
“But what IS left or right” and “I’m not any of those things but I agree with about 80% of what rigger wing people say and do”.
Hes basically socially right and economically left, like sdp party. A space that isn't really represented well in politics.
Yeah apart from Middle East, Brexit, immigration, Covid, Trump and LGBT issues, I’m definitely not a conservative.
The only think Kisin is in the centre of is the buble of his own prickly self-regard and delusional ideas about what constitutes "being on the right".
What an entry ...
At 0:11
*_First of all, I hate teams. I like being part of a team that I've chosen to be part of._*
Only a so-called _reasonable_ centrist and a comedian could say such a thing.
Speaking of comedian, it reminds of a quote often attributed to *_Groucho_** Marx* who was an American comedian, actor, writer, and singer who performed in film, television, radio, stage, and vaudeville from the 1920's to the late 50's.
It goes something like this :
*_I Don’t Want to Belong to Any Club That Will Accept Me as a Member._*
one of the few commenters who understood the comedy haha
@@th3nobodi3
He's not voluntarily a comedian.
He just made one of most stupidest opening.
Notice the self-deprecation of Groucho's quote.
Notice how self infatuated his opening looks when juxtaposed with Groucho's quote.
Because what he is saying is essentially, I will chose a team that is good enough for my personal standards and is representative of me. And teams are not good enough for me.
Groucho means by accepting him they show that their standards are so low that he doesn't want to be part of it.
@@th3nobodi3
Basically, I understood the irony, not the comedy, of the situation.
The second sentence is a qualifying statement rather than a contradiction. He means he hates being assigned a team that he hasn't chosen and doesn't identify with
@@duncanh95I don’t get why this is so hard for them to understand? I guess if you just want to beat up straw men and that’s all you can manage then it makes sense
As an American, he might consider himself left leaning, but if he was in politics, the democratic party would definitely paint him as far right, or try to anyway
The Democratic party is right-wing, but what they call right-wing is anyone who doesn't repeat the Democratic narrative (even if they're to the left of the Democrats).
Careful how you manage your platform, Alex. Last thing I want is this podcast becoming yet another space for conservatives to come and launder their reputation.
You're the kind of person we can do without in society. If it hurts you sm that opposing sides come together to discuss in a civil fashion, go live in a cave. Interestingly, you don't seem interested in change. If you did, you should want convos.
@@pythondrink k
His basic grasp here is just incorrect. Left and right aren’t teams, they’re descriptive. He’s conflating the political spectrum with political parties.
The immigration issue puts him on the right as far as it goes not because caring about immigration is rightwing but because framing it as a security issue that’s of dire importance is simply a lazy, slanted, reactionary opinion. The reality behind immigration goes unremarked upon in lieu of dramatic fear mongering. Most people in the country illegally didn’t sneak in through a border, they overstated a visa, meaning they were vetted to come here so it isn’t a security issue. A lot of them are also children, not to mention migrant workers that our economy depends on. Framing it as an exaggerated matter of fairness and security while ignoring the nuance of the issue and the fact that our immigration policy is already draconian and unnecessary simply is right wing.
konstantin is doing us all a big service by being so vocal against wokeness and political correctness while not being a raging right-winger.. we get so entrenched in our own view it's difficult to realize anyone you don't agree with on one topic isn't necessarily working for the enemy.. when you think about it everyone is on a political spectrum. Not a single person is 100% left or 100% right(despite what they might believe themself), why do we judge people's on a few idea while dismissing the others? we think it's effective to cancel peoples but if you think about it you can only cancel someone from your own camp, so doing so mean you lose supporter literally.
I used to consider myself left of centre. Now can't quite work out if the far left have driven me further to the right or if I've stayed in the same place and the scale has changed to make me seem right of centre, but I also overall feel to have some right wing views, some left wing views and mostly centrist views. Still I consider myself more left wing than Konstantin Kisin.
I use to found myself as a conservative and I feel that while my positions haven't changed the right in America has gotten so extreme that now I could never vote foe them.
The Overton window has shifted to the left. If you don’t agree with extremist left wing views then you are a racist, sexist yawn yawn. Funny as the majority of hate and bigotry comes from the far left. You won’t get hate from conservatives for thinking differently. The far right can go to hell, they have more in common with the far left than either side would admit. And make no mistake, the extremes of both wings hate moderates.
Very similar situation for myself. My 'brand' of liberalism has become centrism or right wing, according to the modern leftist echo chamber. What people fail to see is that progressivism, by definition, is ever changing. So, the next platforms and policy positions of leftists 10 years from now will be either different in ways we cannot predict, or simply more extreme versions of the rhetoric we're already seeing.
@@geekofstealProgressivism changes when progress actually happens. If progressivism is changing that means it's working.
Why would the opinion of anyone else ever affect your political opinions.
Every other other leftist could be deranged, and it would not cause me to change my ethics, and thus my politics, in the slightest.
Why not just admit to being on the right? His whole show is obviously playing to a right wing audience and his politics (in so far as he actually says anything) put him firmly on the right. Why not just acknowledge it?
it shifts a lot don't you think
He's strawmanning conservatism to appear as a sensible moderate - the number of conservatives who want no welfare at all is minute. He just wants to appear impartial to not put off actually politically moderate or apathetic people from his content.
I think, like he said, his dislike of political teams is what puts him off saying he’s right, as well as the inflexibility of being in a particular ideological camp
@@khaiuschill310 why would acknowledging that he is on the right force him to believe any set ideology? It’s a description
Because he's not on the right. Criticising the left does not make you right wing
People use labels to shut down arguments when you don't agree with their point of view.
You mean "people call me nasty names when I'm racist and don't like being called out for it"
Seriously, tho.... so what? And?
Labels are helpful to identify concepts - if you don't like a label you keep getting aimed at you, maybe you ought to change something?
@@danielcrafter9349if you don't like what I call you, you should change? What a moronic self serving statement. It completely disregards the concept of being mislabeled or using a label as an ad hominem to bully in an argument. Also the fact that morality means different things to different people would imply you don't have an objective metric to make that a more useful tool than actually arguing ideas. Unless you feel your opinions are facts.
You're a perfect example. I said nothing racist yet you couldn't help yourself but use the word racist in your strawmanning reply. @@danielcrafter9349
The far left is just reactionary and authoritarian. Just like far right. They use sticky labels to shut you up. See Daniel above, a label-lover 🙃