For months, I felt legitimately traumatized after realizing that my whole identity had been built upon rejecting my own femininity and basically trying to be cool and keep up with the guys in every aspect of my life. I was rejecting so many parts of myself. I wanted to have kids, but I thought "Oh, that's not REALLY important for a modern empowered woman and I'll just be fulfilled some other way". I didn't want to work 40+ hours, but I would volunteer to because I didn't have a happy home life to contrast work life. I hated the dating scene, but partook in it anyway to my own detriment because it was where I got my sense of worth... This is what society encourages women that their "liberation" consists of - becoming a man.
@@emilyrodgers5429 what was your experience like of realizing it? How did that feel for you? I'm really curious because mine was such a strong emotion when the realization set in, so I'm curious what this probably common though rarely talked about phenomenon has been like for other women.
@@sarahsuze7742 like for you, for me it was also initially traumatizing. I wrote about the realization on Instagram and my friends stopped talking to me because of it. I felt really angry for a long time-felt like I was deceived and massively let down by society and the institutions that are supposed to protect women. I felt like a victim, tbh. But I have since started to empower myself with the truth, which is that there’s nothing wrong at all with being a woman. And in fact, it’s extremely psychologically healthy to embrace your femininity. This journey of peeling back the veil and realizing the truth about men and woman also led me into a deep spiritual awakening. I’m now a Christian and have never felt more loved and capable because I am spiritually and philosophically empowered and embodying love for myself through my experience of God’s love for me.
@@emilyrodgers5429 that is a great comeback story. There is definitely something amazing about realizing the potential that you've been missing out on and then developing that part of yourself. Bridget always calls herself a late bloomer and I can definitely relate to that. Regret and shame still linger for me, but like you with your faith, I'm learning to see myself in a different light and learn be be FEMININE as opposed to feminist.
@Fabian Kirchgessner it's interesting though because part of my recent happiness has come from developing my masculine side, sort of integrating it to make my feminine stronger. I think my problem was trying to be a man instead of using my masculine energy to be a better woman.
I had a miracle at age 43 also. I am overwhelmed by God's grace and mercy. I feel my child is His forgiveness for all my mistakes. I think Gen X suffered tremendously from the sexual revolution and I hope the good is kept and the lies are discarded from that movement. I am a stay at home mom and my joy and worth are beyond measure. So happy for you to experience motherhood.
In 2001, the Institute for American Values released "Hooking Up, Hanging Out, and Hoping for Mr. Right: College Women on Mating and Dating Today," an exhaustive study led by Norval Glenn and Elizabeth Marquardt, exposing the dark side of "sexual liberation." I don't remember anyone paying much attention then. Kudos to Ms. Perry for finally bringing the topic into the light.
I'm so happy for Bridget that she's a mom now. WOW! This is such an amazing development in her life and so great to hear that even though she has lots of regrets she's going to get to be a mom. I don't have kids yet but I have two nephews and a niece and I've seen first hand just how.... people need to experience parenthood in order to live a full life, with exceptions of course.
I have never heard someone speak the way I feel about all the sexual trauma and responses that I have so clearly, it hurts and soothes simultaneously. I’m scared to read this book, but I kind of feel the necessity.
Been watching civilization collapse for the last 30 years but it's really picking up speed in the last few years (inflation, food shortages, men can compete in women's sports if they wear women's swimwear, society's capitulation to violent racist hate groups like BLM, etc, etc, etc) so it always good to hear some reason and rationality. Like in this podcast! Thanks ladies!
I remember when the feminists were saying there's no difference between men and women. I thought they didn't like fact based truth. When I went into the workforce skirt suits were the norm. Women's suits were very masculine. We had to be like men as much as possible because the workplace was their world. Men set the tone and the standards. Women had to hide the strengths particular to them and take on a male persona. There also was a feminist line to not partner with a man until you were a whole person meaning if you had any wounds from growing up they had to be handled first . You had to be confident and fully independent. As humans are always in process and never perfect this led to a women never partnering up and marrying.
I like how the conversation evolves into these two women talking at length about Kim Kardashian and the weight she gand during pregnancy, a good illustration of the innate differences between men and women as described in the book.
It's super fun to watch this nice Phetasy woman sloooooowly come to grips with truth, reality, morality etc. and dealing with all the contradictions of our corrupt, pathological culture which has poisoned her mind. (not her fault btw. We ALL are suffocated by the noxious poison of 21st Century American culture.) She has to swim upstream through politics when what is really being challenged is her identity and her psychology. She'll get there ... 🙂
I have a much different analysis. I think ms Perry’s recommendations won’t work because they are simulacra and style, and not binding. She basically wants women to be returned to the place of deference and courtesy they once enjoyed in the Victorian era, but without the Christianity, and without the duties, and without the impositions. How will this work? Well, it won’t work. And so her recommendations amount to suggestions, options and preferences.
59:00 Within about 2 weeks having the 3rd jab of Pfizer, I started developing symptoms. After about 2 -3 months I become pretty much anorgasmic, which was really distressing and a shock as this was not an issue previously. Now in my mid-30s, I'm now on full HRT. :(
I wonder how maternal the "don't roll over onto the baby" instinct really is. I find myself doing essentially the same thing with small dogs that sometimes share my bed. Maybe it isn't exactly the same since the dog is more mobile than an infant. But consider that we evolved sleeping in communal beds. Seems likely that this is simply a human or probably even a common mammalian trait.
And yet I have known dogs to kill a pup by sleeping on them. And in the Bible there is the story about the two women fighting over a baby because one of the women rolled on her baby and smothered it. I mention this as an example that in antiquity people must have known women who rolled on an infant, with tragic results.
Bridget and Louise seemed to be a bit surprised that, greater freedom brought a lot of negative stuff along with it. Yep. That's the way it tends to work. Women live longer than men on average. And that's not just biology. These things tend to have at least two edges, a yin and a yang, etc.
Freedom does not bring a lot of negative stuff, it is what you do with that freedom. You heard the saying, "with great power comes responsibility," the same is applied to freedom. With freedom comes a moral responsibility. If you do not hold on to morality, you will eventually lose everything and feel miserable.
@@cainabel6356 For many people, responsibility is experienced as a negative. As a pragmatic matter, the "freedom" that men have traditionally enjoyed was accompanied by certain expectations - such as volunteering for war or possibly being drafted (freedom?) if you don't. But rather than quibble about the semantics, I'm happy to restate my point as "freedom is a double edged sword."
@@wturber - I guess in a way you are right about that. Freedom can be a double edge sword. I like the saying: “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” It is an endless circle, I guess. I think a nation without God is the cause of it, but of course if you look at mankind, we are very weak and end up causing ourselves the problems.
You are so wise. The women I know who found life partners did not find them through dating around sleeping around using appz....there was a very real reason why big never saw Cartie as a real girlfriend. Even if this is an absurd and unfair double standard. The women I know who found a mate chose wisely and committed to that person. I think dating today is similar to Vegas. You play and play and play and seldom wim.. the odds are against it. Too many good natured smart awesome women now in their 50s who despite having gone through decades of painful periods will never have children. Sure not everyone wants them but IMHO most do
Bridget! Someone from the show! Stop talking over your guests! I really wanted to hear what Louise Perry had to say and Bridget talked 75% of the time and the person you wanted to hear from hardly talked. Bridget kept going on monologs and interrupting her 10 seconds after asking her a question just to go on another monolog. I want to hear from this person! Please, please stop doing this! This could have been a great interview!
I just resubscribed to you after Ben Shapiro lauded you, after losing you over what I perceived to be a failure to support Joe Rogan, glad you are doing well.
I know these two are super smart and almost as wise as Mary Harrington or Ann Coulter but can we all just pause and enjoy how incredibly HOT they are. I'm in awe.
I loved this ans I think we need to talk more about this, but also educating our sons as well. Teaching about trauma and why ppl use sex and how men do put women in uncomfortable situations and that they need a little more accountability. Us Moms need to start teaching our sons how to be a man as well.
I wonder if much of the issue, though, has been women trying to teach men how to be men. “Moms teaching their sons to be men” seems like the problem, not the solution
Wow! Great to hear these issues being talked about today. A bit unfortunate that it's taken certain members of society 2,000 years to catch up with Jesus.
I have a much different analysis. I think ms Perry’s recommendations won’t work because they are simulacra and style, and not binding. She basically wants women to be returned to the place of deference and courtesy they once enjoyed in the Victorian era, but without the Christianity, and without the duties, and without the impositions. How will this work? Well, it won’t work. And so her recommendations amount to suggestions, options and preferences.
For months, I felt legitimately traumatized after realizing that my whole identity had been built upon rejecting my own femininity and basically trying to be cool and keep up with the guys in every aspect of my life. I was rejecting so many parts of myself. I wanted to have kids, but I thought "Oh, that's not REALLY important for a modern empowered woman and I'll just be fulfilled some other way". I didn't want to work 40+ hours, but I would volunteer to because I didn't have a happy home life to contrast work life. I hated the dating scene, but partook in it anyway to my own detriment because it was where I got my sense of worth...
This is what society encourages women that their "liberation" consists of - becoming a man.
Literally same. Exactly the same for me. I didn’t realize there were so many of us. I thought I was the only one coming to these realizations.
@@emilyrodgers5429 what was your experience like of realizing it? How did that feel for you? I'm really curious because mine was such a strong emotion when the realization set in, so I'm curious what this probably common though rarely talked about phenomenon has been like for other women.
@@sarahsuze7742 like for you, for me it was also initially traumatizing. I wrote about the realization on Instagram and my friends stopped talking to me because of it. I felt really angry for a long time-felt like I was deceived and massively let down by society and the institutions that are supposed to protect women. I felt like a victim, tbh.
But I have since started to empower myself with the truth, which is that there’s nothing wrong at all with being a woman. And in fact, it’s extremely psychologically healthy to embrace your femininity.
This journey of peeling back the veil and realizing the truth about men and woman also led me into a deep spiritual awakening. I’m now a Christian and have never felt more loved and capable because I am spiritually and philosophically empowered and embodying love for myself through my experience of God’s love for me.
@@emilyrodgers5429 that is a great comeback story. There is definitely something amazing about realizing the potential that you've been missing out on and then developing that part of yourself. Bridget always calls herself a late bloomer and I can definitely relate to that. Regret and shame still linger for me, but like you with your faith, I'm learning to see myself in a different light and learn be be FEMININE as opposed to feminist.
@Fabian Kirchgessner it's interesting though because part of my recent happiness has come from developing my masculine side, sort of integrating it to make my feminine stronger. I think my problem was trying to be a man instead of using my masculine energy to be a better woman.
I had a miracle at age 43 also. I am overwhelmed by God's grace and mercy. I feel my child is His forgiveness for all my mistakes. I think Gen X suffered tremendously from the sexual revolution and I hope the good is kept and the lies are discarded from that movement. I am a stay at home mom and my joy and worth are beyond measure. So happy for you to experience motherhood.
In 2001, the Institute for American Values released "Hooking Up, Hanging Out, and Hoping for Mr. Right: College Women on Mating and Dating Today," an exhaustive study led by Norval Glenn and Elizabeth Marquardt, exposing the dark side of "sexual liberation." I don't remember anyone paying much attention then.
Kudos to Ms. Perry for finally bringing the topic into the light.
I'm so happy for Bridget that she's a mom now. WOW! This is such an amazing development in her life and so great to hear that even though she has lots of regrets she's going to get to be a mom. I don't have kids yet but I have two nephews and a niece and I've seen first hand just how.... people need to experience parenthood in order to live a full life, with exceptions of course.
I have never heard someone speak the way I feel about all the sexual trauma and responses that I have so clearly, it hurts and soothes simultaneously. I’m scared to read this book, but I kind of feel the necessity.
Been watching civilization collapse for the last 30 years but it's really picking up speed in the last few years (inflation, food shortages, men can compete in women's sports if they wear women's swimwear, society's capitulation to violent racist hate groups like BLM, etc, etc, etc) so it always good to hear some reason and rationality. Like in this podcast! Thanks ladies!
I remember when the feminists were saying there's no difference between men and women. I thought they didn't like fact based truth. When I went into the workforce skirt suits were the norm. Women's suits were very masculine. We had to be like men as much as possible because the workplace was their world. Men set the tone and the standards. Women had to hide the strengths particular to them and take on a male persona. There also was a feminist line to not partner with a man until you were a whole person meaning if you had any wounds from growing up they had to be handled first . You had to be confident and fully independent. As humans are always in process and never perfect this led to a women never partnering up and marrying.
It's a very good point about not waiting until your totally healthy, ie perfect, because no one is.
Thank you so much for balancing being a new mom and continuing to create well thought out and engaging content.
Great episode. Congrats on the baby girl!
Good discussion. Thank you to Bridget for her honesty.
I like how the conversation evolves into these two women talking at length about Kim Kardashian and the weight she gand during pregnancy, a good illustration of the innate differences between men and women as described in the book.
It's super fun to watch this nice Phetasy woman sloooooowly come to grips with truth, reality, morality etc. and dealing with all the contradictions of our corrupt, pathological culture which has poisoned her mind. (not her fault btw. We ALL are suffocated by the noxious poison of 21st Century American culture.) She has to swim upstream through politics when what is really being challenged is her identity and her psychology. She'll get there ... 🙂
It took the feminist intellectuals only 60 years to figure out that they had been stiffed. What else might they figure out by 2080?
Joy to you Bridget
I have a much different analysis. I think ms Perry’s recommendations won’t work because they are simulacra and style, and not binding. She basically wants women to be returned to the place of deference and courtesy they once enjoyed in the Victorian era, but without the Christianity, and without the duties, and without the impositions. How will this work? Well, it won’t work. And so her recommendations amount to suggestions, options and preferences.
Yeah, the whole morality thing will cause problems again. Christianity, well, without God, could anything get better? Answer is no.
Correct. Atheism has never resulted in stable morality.
Bridget your fairy mix of intense common sense covered in sparkly empathy.
💯 correct!! Breaking News: Water is wet, more at 11. Thank you Ms. Perry for speaking truth to power. #Respect #Love #Gratitude
59:00 Within about 2 weeks having the 3rd jab of Pfizer, I started developing symptoms. After about 2 -3 months I become pretty much anorgasmic, which was really distressing and a shock as this was not an issue previously. Now in my mid-30s, I'm now on full HRT. :(
I wonder how maternal the "don't roll over onto the baby" instinct really is. I find myself doing essentially the same thing with small dogs that sometimes share my bed. Maybe it isn't exactly the same since the dog is more mobile than an infant. But consider that we evolved sleeping in communal beds. Seems likely that this is simply a human or probably even a common mammalian trait.
I check my dogs breathing too if she’s sleeping too deeply. I definitely think it’s instinct and nurture.
And yet I have known dogs to kill a pup by sleeping on them. And in the Bible there is the story about the two women fighting over a baby because one of the women rolled on her baby and smothered it. I mention this as an example that in antiquity people must have known women who rolled on an infant, with tragic results.
Bridget and Louise seemed to be a bit surprised that, greater freedom brought a lot of negative stuff along with it. Yep. That's the way it tends to work. Women live longer than men on average. And that's not just biology. These things tend to have at least two edges, a yin and a yang, etc.
Freedom does not bring a lot of negative stuff, it is what you do with that freedom. You heard the saying, "with great power comes responsibility," the same is applied to freedom. With freedom comes a moral responsibility. If you do not hold on to morality, you will eventually lose everything and feel miserable.
@@cainabel6356 For many people, responsibility is experienced as a negative.
As a pragmatic matter, the "freedom" that men have traditionally enjoyed was accompanied by certain expectations - such as volunteering for war or possibly being drafted (freedom?) if you don't.
But rather than quibble about the semantics, I'm happy to restate my point as "freedom is a double edged sword."
@@wturber - I guess in a way you are right about that. Freedom can be a double edge sword.
I like the saying: “Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.” It is an endless circle, I guess.
I think a nation without God is the cause of it, but of course if you look at mankind, we are very weak and end up causing ourselves the problems.
@@cainabel6356 Men or people?
You are so wise. The women I know who found life partners did not find them through dating around sleeping around using appz....there was a very real reason why big never saw Cartie as a real girlfriend. Even if this is an absurd and unfair double standard. The women I know who found a mate chose wisely and committed to that person. I think dating today is similar to Vegas. You play and play and play and seldom wim.. the odds are against it. Too many good natured smart awesome women now in their 50s who despite having gone through decades of painful periods will never have children. Sure not everyone wants them but IMHO most do
8:30 Bridget crying about the book dedication is really sad
Bridget! Someone from the show! Stop talking over your guests! I really wanted to hear what Louise Perry had to say and Bridget talked 75% of the time and the person you wanted to hear from hardly talked. Bridget kept going on monologs and interrupting her 10 seconds after asking her a question just to go on another monolog. I want to hear from this person! Please, please stop doing this! This could have been a great interview!
I just resubscribed to you after Ben Shapiro lauded you, after losing you over what I perceived to be a failure to support Joe Rogan, glad you are doing well.
I know these two are super smart and almost as wise as Mary Harrington or Ann Coulter but can we all just pause and enjoy how incredibly HOT they are. I'm in awe.
It was bad for humanity.
I loved this ans I think we need to talk more about this, but also educating our sons as well. Teaching about trauma and why ppl use sex and how men do put women in uncomfortable situations and that they need a little more accountability. Us Moms need to start teaching our sons how to be a man as well.
I wonder if much of the issue, though, has been women trying to teach men how to be men. “Moms teaching their sons to be men” seems like the problem, not the solution
Wow! Great to hear these issues being talked about today. A bit unfortunate that it's taken certain members of society 2,000 years to catch up with Jesus.
I have a much different analysis. I think ms Perry’s recommendations won’t work because they are simulacra and style, and not binding. She basically wants women to be returned to the place of deference and courtesy they once enjoyed in the Victorian era, but without the Christianity, and without the duties, and without the impositions. How will this work? Well, it won’t work. And so her recommendations amount to suggestions, options and preferences.