White Horse Live July 4, 1975 (With Mick Mars on Guitar)
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This is a really cool video of the band White Horse that Mick Mars played guitar in before Mötley Crüe (he is the guy with the white pants and blonde hair if you didn't already know), you can also see that the drummer (Jack Valentine) playing drums upside down a long time before Tommy Lee did it in Mötley Crüe!
The quality is not the best (VHS) but it's still some great footage for Mötley Crüe fans!
Enjoy!
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Mick the creative head and the giver of ideas to the Crüe!
Wolfgang Markus Gstrein Mick was the musical backbone to motley,but I wouldn't say he was the creative head,I think that was more Nikki Sixx!
Pretty sure it went down like this. Mick: Hey Tommy you should do something like my old drummer used to do." lol
Erik Fullmer I agree Erik-sad thing is that Tommy takes credit for the upside down kit idea but we all know it came from Mick’s suggestion.
This is cool, if Bob only new that in a few years, he would be a world famous millionaire playing in the biggest band of the 80's. What a ride that must've been for Mick, as he was the only one old enough & mature enough to appreciate it.
Unfortunately his ex-wives took all his money.
If u think Mick is broke ur crazy,he ain't broke!!after that decade of touring behind carnival of sins,crue fests 1 & 2 and of course the 2 yr farewell tour Mick ain't broke,when I looked his latest income as of 2016 it said Mick was worth $40million
He was old enough to appreciate Jesus' crucifixion live in person.. 😆
Probably a different Rock Candy if this was 1975
His old band White Horse was first called Motley Croo and also appears to be the brainchild of Tommy Lee's inverted drum solo
Exactly
That's not how it went.
I was born 07/04/1975!!! This was happening while I was coming into the world. haha!
Cool seeing Mick so young. He was in his mid forties when this video was shot.
Lmao
He was 23.
nah 23
Lol!
Yea but he looks kind of old here just because of the mustache
Awesome. ALWAYS been a Crue fan. No we know where Tommy got the idea for spinning of his drums. I have always loved Mick, so cool and mysterious, just an awesome guitar player. He sure had some great ideas!!!
Amazing!!!! Bob Deal rules!!!! aka Mick Mars!!
Simply amazing
Props to your mom for keeping on recording after her son was about to be the first drummer ever crushed on stage by a drum set 😂, she held it still and composed herself, although there might be a short cut in the film where she freaks out, but understandable since it's your mom.
This was fantastic! Great to see Mick at such a young age with this band. Mick has been my favorite guitar player since I first heard him. I was about 12 I'm now 53 and he's still my favorite. 1313 forever! 👽 🎸
I cannot believe Tommy Lee was not the first this band was ahead of its time
Tommy was only 13 when this film was shot. He was only 19 when he joined Motley Crue. He was born in 1962.
I was at this show. There was a group of 8 of us. Our friend Michelle who was with our group got separated from us after she went to the bathroom. She was never seen again. To this very day there was never any clue what happened to her other than a few people that said she was drunk and carried out by a guy who they thought was probably her boyfriend. Whoever it was, she didn't know him because she was there with us.
Notice how vinces band “Rockandi” plays right after them. Lmao he didn’t know that the dude opening for him would make him so famous😂😂😂
The DJ at the Starwood also mentions coming soon "The Butts Band" which was "The Doors" minus Jim Morrison.
omg so old school!
Love it, absolutely priceless!!!!!
Thanks for posting this, this is priceless!
Mick/Bob paid his dues, that is for sure. It's a long way to the top (or the bottom if you are drumming upside down) if you want to Rock and Roll!
this is great thanks for posting
MICK....
I'm so glad I waited to use the name motley crue
Really cool. Thanks for sharing. 1313!!!
This is great!!!
Glad everyone finished OK
That's rock & roll...
Now I know where Tommy get tha idea for his show.
Oh shit, this is you? Wow that's really cool, the evolution from you to Tommy's roller coaster set is cool, have you been interviewed by drummer magazines or anything about this origin, I'm so glad your mom had a video so you have proof. Anyways, I think I saw you on VH1 about Mick once, so yeah that's cool you put this on UA-cam, did your mom record any other gifs back in the day? These vids are a treasure trove
he was in his 20's....
The singer looks like bon scott from a distance
Interestingly enough that’s singers name was Micki Marz.
=
Classic.
Has Tommy ever given you credit for his act ?
The good old days when you may forget where you are after a show,and the PA guy reminds you lol
Mick Mars was unrecognizable then because of his mustache. 👨
legend mars
So this is where Tommy Lee got his idea for that Loop Drum coaster !!!
This is very cool
Imagine this younger Mick with Motley?
ASTONISHING to know that even the name , MOTLEY CROO and the twisting drum kit trick , wasn' t creations of both nikki sixx and tommy lee , the real talented guy has always been MICK MARS , and strictly nobody else !!!
An absolute Spinal Tap moment!
At the very end of the video clip the announcer is calling up for the next band in the line up which is Rockandi that was Vince Neil’s band before Tommy Lee invited Vince to audition for Nikki Sixx and Tommy Lee’s band
I doubt that Rock Candy he’s mentioning is Vince’s band. Vince was only 14 at the time. Assuming it was the same year. The audio is from another gig at the Starwood, but it would have to have been a few years later to be Vince’s Rock Candy.
So Tommy can’t take credit for coming up with this idea!!!
Sweet
This song is absolutely fantastic! Those triplets that Mick is playing sound literally like the heavens opening up!!! I've got to learn this song. Any idea of the song's title?
I believe in the video he said the song was called Upside Down…which makes sense with the drums going upside down.
Hey Vicecitylife02, what's the name of the song being played at 0:40 ? The solo triplets that Mick (or Bob) is playing sound absolutely divine, man!
..the original Motley Crue! ..thier first band name ..so tommy lee wasn't the first drummer to invent the upside down drum set while he plays?..hmm
james williams Tommy didn’t play upside down. He played spinning forward and backward. Remember the Wild Side video?
REALLY??but he still played upside down!!
Buddy Rich played upside down around the same time.
It was knows also as môtley cröw and tommys was Rolleccoster drums
The original Motley.
Anyone remember Paul Tyson who became lead singer/guitar of White Horse Band?
Buddy Rich also did an upside down drumming, don't just know when
Buddy Rich took my place on the "I've got a Secret " game show in 1975 in New York. I was supposed to do the show as an upsidedown duet with host Steve Allen playing the piano upside down using Keith Emerson"s rig but I broke my leg and had to cancel. They built a rig for Buddy and Buddy insisted on doing the act with out Steve. Buddy was the 4th upsidedown drummer overall at that time. The clip of Buddy is on youtube somewhere. Page 260 of Motley Rock Stories tells the story better. Shameless plug. www.amazon.com/spark/ref=nav_upnav_merged_T1_Detail
Jack Valentine great story - thanx for sharing! 💯
Hey Jack. Great stuff.....you say Buddy was the 4th guy upside down. ..Who were the others ( number 2 and 3)....i assume that you were the 1st ....I know that great ideas like yours are always stolen. . ( borrowed as they would say).....from the guys richer and more famous. ...cool stuff
@@newark951 Me #1. Thom Forsythe #2. Drummer buddy who helped run the thing. He is kneeling in the video and helps catch it as it is falling. #3. My brother Steve Valentine who also helped run the machine a few times. They tried it in rehearsals so I could see how it looked and fine tune the design. Then Buddy. Then #5. the drummer from Earth Wind and Fire a year later as Maurice White from EWF was in the audience at the Starwood gig. Figures.
@@jack4vid thanks....great stuff
The jades vendetta and the Crue he did play with others and yes rock candy with Vince they were younger
@fourquarter Yes that is true, but the sound and the video aint from the same show, the sound is from a show at starwood so they could've been playing there at the same time!
Where can I pick up a copy of this show. Would really like a cd of the starwood show.
@fourquarter Yeah, I also noticed that! Awesome!
Did Brad Scott play keyboards for you in 1975?
So basically Tommy Lee didn't come up with it.
"a half hour later we'll have Rockandi"... Who wouldda known... LOL
It's Rock Candy, not Rockandi. I literally had to sign up with Wikipedia to fix that. I have a book called Motley Crue The Official Biography: The first 5 years by Dante Bonutto and he spells it Rock Candy. It comes from a treat you could get at the beach years ago, where you boil sugar in water, and dip strings into it, and let it cool, and you got Rock candy.
@@steveb817 wasn't that band Vince Neil ended up in before he went with Motley?
@@Rock4UNow Yes, it was. He was in that band when the Crue recruited him to be their lead singer, as he had the look they were looking for, young, blond Hollywood style frontman.
@@steveb817 it's a small world. The band playing after Mick's band is Rock Candie who Vince joins years later then we have Mick & Nikki Liquor Store conversation way before the Crue audition. Tommy suggested Vince his HS friend for lead vocals.
@@steveb817do you have any more copies of the book? I would like to purchase a copy.
Hey jack. I'm trying to see how or where the track is on the drums. How does it work? Really kool by the way
That's a nice song too, did they ever record?
Mick Mars is the one with the Dark Hair and the Mustache lol you should update that lol
I like this better than The Crue,kind of reminds me of the Tommy Bolan stuff with DP & The James Gang.
Apparently Kenny can't multitask. Bob aka Mick looks like Skunk Baxter from a distance.
Ahh righto, my bad.
I guess Tommy watched this and said, nah, we can do better
@6672rock This is not my video, I just uploaded it!
Thanks for the promotion. I don't do much promo . Just try and set the record straight when I don't care to get abuse for it.
So the big question is did Tommy Lee get the floating drum kit idea from this?
I thought Tommy was the 1st to make it?
Robert Allan Deal-Mick Mars 1313
Mick Just turned 70 last week same age as me. Gee whiz.
Was Mick Mars around 22 years old here?
Kiss didn’t even do this shit in the 70’s.
So the name and drum stunts came from Mick. Give him the 25 percent guys and just move on.
Not tommy lees idea lol
@osp80, do a little research before you open your mouth. Mick Mars was born in 1955, which makes him 20 when this was filmed. Where the hell are you getting 46?
+Nicole Dedick 1951 lol
I thought it was a joke,they really meant that shit??If Mick Mars was 46 in 1975 then he'd be 89 FUCKIN YRS OLD!!had to be joking,no way is there someone out there of that kind of ignorance!!
Well your research is way off. I guess you have found that out by now. Mick is 67 as of 10/ 2018
@@jack4vid Yeah, but unfortunately due to his illness, he looks like he's a mummy. He's apparently lost over half a foot in height since his younger days due to his illness compressing/fusing all of his joints and discs in his spinal column.
Did you have the drums on some kind of hydraulic and/or pulley system?
no just a garage door track and cable. Made it for $500. Half the cost was a Milwaukee Hole Haug industrial drill and a winch. All I could afford, playing for $30 a night and breaking $15 worth of sticks a night. Took me a year to save enough money to attempt to build it. Everyone I mean everyone but Mick thought I was out of my mind.
@@jack4vid I thought you put this vid up, I left a few comments asking questions about it, one was commending your mother for holding the camera still as it looked like you was about to fall over, I imagine her horror as she saw it, and didn't put down the camera, but finished the song, she did a great job. Cool to see this, and as a drummer did you ever hear of drummers doing this before you?
Vice city life guy. Would like to hear mick mars play uninterupted. Can you re release this footage without the talky talky?
Can't. The drummer that was talking said his mother shot the footage on Super 8 film, and it recorded video only, no sound, so they had to dub in a concert they did later performing the same song.
Ok . Thanks for asking. only took 5 years . I don't get on the computer much any more. sorry. ua-cam.com/video/pg340nxgX1A/v-deo.html
so show me how tommys there
no sorry . Mick is the one on the right with the big red mustache. The blond is David Day.Check out b4dirt.com to see better photos or check out the audio book Motley Rock Stories for some cool Mick Mars history. www.amazon.com/Motley-Rock-Stories-Dying-Living/dp/B07NPZNN4J
hahahaha!
So did MIck (Bob) share some millions with ya later?
Ha ha ha Mick won't even hang with his ex wife's kids. Some of his kids cry to me that their dad must hate them. I have to console them that he just lives on another planet. I have not had any contact with him in 25 years. He is probably pissed at me for exposing Tommy Lee as full of crap at inventing the flying drum trick. Stay tuned for a pod cast soon with the guys from Flash Caddilac who's house Whitehorse took over when they left Hollywood. Mick got Flash Cadillac's room in fact. Great stories I am just now finishing.
@@jack4vid Not sure which of Mick’s kids you are referring to. I know he’s in regular contact with his son Les.
Tommy totally stole your idea
damn so tommy stole that shit
tommy lee???????? jajajajj
why did they decide to try this? bizarre.
Hahaha in the movie Tommy Lee invented the upside down drums..... lol
I guess Mick was happy to finally make it because I see a lot of reasons to have sued Nikki but he's been well compensated over the years. IMO the music was horrible.
Why would someone spend their time watching videos featuring an artist whose songs he finds to be ' horrible' ?
I’m totally confused. I heard you died in a car accident in England and replaced with a lookalike. Oddly enough, when you play this video backwards, there’s a hidden message saying “Jack is dead man. Miss him, miss him”. Yes, the walrus was Jack.