Perfect way to put it actually, I've seen this happen over and over again. Someone putting out something funny for their audience which gets exclusively positive responses, but it happens to get enough clicks to be picked up by the algorithm and now people outside of that audience see it. Suddenly - Drama. Never worth getting bothered about it, it's sometimes even added content because - as with the aforementioned clip - people getting mad about such trivial things is sometimes entertaining.
@@ikikaera3402 tbf tho there is a big difference between "meme man mutes a character" and "my audience abides terrible shit that wouldnt fly elsewhere"
the argument i saw from some (not all) was that muting the clip was fueled by misogyny since people tend to react negatively to women being in video games. while misogyny in the gaming sphere is definitely a real thing that should be addressed, in vinny's case it was definitely not for that reason and it felt weird to see people make thinkpieces on him over it? at least, i've never gotten women-hating vibes from binyot before so maybe that's just me. felt like accusations that would most certainly fit others being thrown at him from people who have never watched a single second of one of his streams. it got taken WAY too seriously and that energy that could've been expended on anything else of actual importance.
If it was a guy narrating my massive man-rection (called so because I'm straight as fuck and not gay and perfectly fine and okay with my sexuality) would've pulled me trough it and i wouldn't have muted it.
@@crackedemerald4930they knew users would like to mute this visually appealing, ambience focused interactive art piece so they get high to play or use their own music to take in the visuals.
I'd say though that people should stop acting like apologies have to be some admission of guilt. "Sorry if this came across as misogynistic to some of you but all it was was that I really didn't like the writing" isn't exactly surrendering yourself either, just a way to clear up intentions.
@@Hero_Puddle Except they are treated that way. That's exactly why the people who get upset demand an apology. They're bullies getting mad over something inconsequential and reading something into a situation that doesn't exist. He said he didn't meant it as a slight against the VA. He clarified that it's a directional problem. He said all he did was mute the audio. Anyone unsatisfied with that has an ego problem and doesn't deserve an apology.
I think Zach hit the nail on the head in that Oneyplays Forspoken video, where he says "imagine if, in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker spent the first 15 minutes going 'this can NOT be happening! Euuuaaah droid! Euuuaahhh guy with a scary helmet! What is going ooonnnnnnnn!?!?" Even though it was meant to be goofy, it's an accurate depiction of this style of writing.
I’m not saying I like forspoken, in fact I despise just about everything in it, but Luke has been living in that universe his whole life, whereas forspoken protag (forgot her name and don’t care) got anime isekai’d into a fantasy world. There would be no conceivable reason why Luke would react to things that way unless he was mentally challenged, whereas forspoken protag has to cope with suddenly being in a new world and having never before heard of powers when our normal Earth is all she’s known. Her confusion is understandable, but the writers take it way too far and make her seem like a pissant with practically every line she says.
because its a game, you literally are frey. I don't need to be told how to feel because I'm also in that world for the first time. dialogue like that ruins all immersion
@@cyber_xiii3786 She was talking like a spastic before she went into the fantasy world though, and in the fantasy world it's not just limited to dialogue involving her being confused, so that reasoning doesn't work
@@cyber_xiii3786Have you not seen Starwars? Luke lived isolated on a farm on a desert planet his whole life before he's recruited to become a jedi, fly to other planets in the galaxy and take on the empire alongside other rebels. Modern writers could easily take that premise and ruin it with an obnoxious protagonist who can't go 5 sec without commenting on what's happening. Just because Forspoken was an isekai, doesn't mean the protagonist couldn't be written better. I've seen plenty of isekais with likeable main characters that don't act like that.
I think it's funny people take Vinny and his decisions in video games so seriously. The dude that can make 3 duck noises simultaneously with his voice and lives with a weed smoking Alien.
This reminds me of when he played Amongus VR on VR chat the first time and Peachjars was there. Everyone interpreted him as hating every second he was around her and was trying to fabricate so much drama when it was so obvious Vinny was just being quieter because he didn't know everyone. Some people are just insane.
That and direction. You can be the best actor in the world, if you're made to deliver your lines in an obnoxious way, it's going to be obnoxious Even cringe lines can be made to work (granted, the ones in Wayfinder or Forspoken really start with a big handicap in that department), as long as they're handled with a very competent direction
@@silverhand9965 what actors could say those lines without them sounding obnoxious and patronising? I honestly can't think of any, maybe Jerry Seinfeld or Adam Sandler because you'd know they're being ironic?
Didn't Vinny later mention in the stream that we're kinda quick to just blame directing for bad voice acting? Not that it wasn't the case for this particular game, I just see that's often the easy answer people jump to when really it can be multiple factors.
Imagine if Chell from Portal/Portal 2 never shut up and was saying things like: “Huh. Looks like the white walls can hold the portals.” “Cool! I shot a portal I can see myself!” “Wonder if my speed carries when I go through one of these things.” “Well hey there Companion Cube, you look cute. Maybe I should call you … Companion Cute.” “That idiot Glados is really getting on my nerves, is she watching me through those cameras?”
Add in even more shitty quips like jumping through a portal fast or using the gel and her going "WOOHOO, THIS IS GREAT!", and making snarky quips whenever you break a camera/wheatley screen like "Hah, that'll show you. Or at least, it'll show whatever robot has to come fix this, I guess..." "What the hell, is this a bridge? Made of... light? I guess if don't have another choice..." And then make it like every AAA game with stealth by having her constantly talk whenever turrets are around but can't see her like "Hmm, maybe I can use those laser cubes to ignite those turrets..." "I better find a way around these turrets, I wonder if the light bridges are solid enough to block bullets?"
I like how the account that posted it was called "vinesauce clips out of context" and then people got mad because they assumed that was the whole context.
It just blew up due to relatability and perfect comedic timing. Muting voices isn't much different from mashing through tedious conversations in FF16. The option is appreciated, and I'd hope other developers don't start removing it out of spite.
Yeah, if that were to happen, I think it may be time to get them therapy and put restraining orders on investors and executives to forbid them from coming near the devs, because obviously somthing bad is happening there.
@@feelinghealing3890 "put restraining orders on investors and executives to forbid them from coming near the devs" this sounds too good, we would need this
my biggest beef with the dialogue is that it and the subtitles are mismatched. one of the phonograph recordings vinny interacted with in the first VOD for that game had entire sentences left out from the subtitles!! it pisses me off knowing that as much as I don't like the voice acting, the subtitles don't even transcribe everything and can't serve as a proper replacement for the dialogue spoken aloud.
Voice actors trying to spice up the recording and impress contractors often change the dialog in the spot While the subtitles are worked with the written script by a different person. Then lack of communication within the devs end up with mismatched subtitles. It also pisses me off because it's a small red flag that the development team was cohesive.
@@lasarousiyou'd think they'd go back after they got the voice lines and tweak the subtitles to make them fit better, but that's less common than you'd think
Vinny is so real for this. I've seen the clip go viral on Twitter and I was so confused when I seen the complaints and how they think you hate the game. Brain rot.
it's not like that, sure there were some who interpreted it like that, but there are more issues than twitter users misinterpreting something, the clip exploded and it basically ruined the perception of the game because it's so easy to join into making fun of the game when so many people do it, the writing is just corny, that's it, but people are so cynical that immediately went "no chances from me for this game" or "im gonna pirate it" (and indie game btw) when their work deserves to be recognized, the issue is not with vinny but with the way we viralize this type of point-and-laugh content again, it's easy to go "ugh twitter again" but please have some nuance and look a bit more deep into the situation
@@gaogaogagayou are talking like that is somehow vinny's fault for literally just finding dialog annoying and using the in game options to turn it off. every person involved in making that controversial is completely insane, and incapable of functioning outside twitter.
I saw people on twitter comparing the dialogue to portal and saying that people would have hated portal if it released now... i cant with that app anymore
The original Portal was very tame and concise with it's dialogue to the point where I'm sure a good chuck of Zoomers would even find it boring. The second game was when it started getting a little more quirky with it's dialogue however it was spaced out and consciously written to not be absolutely obnoxious to the player.
@@mask-mimic I obviously know that not every single Zoomer is a low attention span dopamine addict or something it's just that these people think the Portal games were somehow catering to that stereotype when they don't fit the description at all. They point to the little bit of quip humor that it had and think because of that it means everyone who criticizes newer games that do have honest to god terrible writing is a "hypocrite" which is just terrible reasoning.
But really, it can't be understated how perfect the comedic timing was. Finding it so fast was one thing, but seeing the subtitles of her saying "Whoa, sick" really ascended the whole clip. You couldn't write a funnier skit.
@@aturchomicz821 the dialogue is completely fine later in the game i will admit but for the first 10 minutes its genuinely awful and im sure this is bait
@@aturchomicz821 The world does not revolve around you. If you liked it, good for you, don't let what other people think affect you. But if you think that because YOU, a random internet person, liked something, then that means EVERYONE should like it? You have serious issues
So let me get this straight. That clip. Just went viral. That clip just went viral!? Erm okay. So apparently that's happening. Wow, I wonder what other kookie events are in store for us.
Vinny, the streamer best known for his hate and vitriol, finally gets ousted by the twitter crowd of justice. I'm glad that Vinnys reign of malice has finally come to an end.
It's definitely hard to know what's going to trend, but to say it's completely tarnished the game's reputation is an overstatement. Regardless of whether or not it was an indie game or a AAA game, first impressions are so, so critical to games. If that's the first impression you get at the start of the game, then it's really hard to shake it off. I feel like regardless of whether Vinny said it or not, some clip of some similar fashion would've gone across the web just as quickly.
A large part of the issue also comes from an audience that really went very far with the response to these kinds of dialogue, from what I have seen. Obviously not at all related to Vinny, but unfortunately the fact it's a woman reading the line brings in a lot of terrible gamerpeople with their awful discourse.
@@andrefonseca5097 I highly dislike this kind of talk. Saying that criticism basically just coming from bigots who hate women. You know that's not what it is, not entirely. Maybe there is a part of that which is true, but you can say that about anything. I've heard people dismiss criticism as bigotry far too much and so I think you'd understand why I find it hard to take what you say genuinely.
@@andrefonseca5097 "hey guys um gamers are BIGOTS and RACISTS and HATE WOMEN I'm not one of those gamerpeople™️ I'm a nice gamer On an unrelated note why won't any women fuck me"
@@andrefonseca5097 Why do I get the feeling you're single? I saw the clip and the comments on there and not one comment mentioned anything about it being a woman, that's such a strawman assumption I don't even know where to start with you. Yikes.
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH it happened twice even, as someone else alluded to when he played Super Mario Kart with a friend as a kid and got so pissed over something he threw up
Honestly I think people should just take it as a given that whenever something takes off on twitter there’s always going to be some drama and to not dwell on it too much. I say this as someone who unfortunately frequents twitter
yes, but i hope you know that many fortunately think the same way as you, in the sense, that they dont get hung up, or know enough about the situation to properly put it away in memory, but yes, best is to just ignore it being aware of things isnt a crime
This reminds me of a piece of developer commentary from Half-Life: Alyx. She originally had a lot more reactions but playtesters thought it was annoying, so they cut most of the dialogue and only had her quip up for reactions that are pretty much universal across everyone playing the game. For example, most people went like “woah this is weird” when encountering the Vortigaunt hideout so they put that dialogue in
@@Rad-Dude63andathird yeah, she’s supposed to complement the player, she isn’t supposed to tell the player how to react. A lot of game developers nowadays forget that and you get characters that go like “no way… I just made a portal with my mind???”
My only problem with this situation is the people who act like they played the game but say the voice is coming from the player character. And start arguing about silent protagonists Vs vocal ones completely missing the actual context of the game and clip. If you’re gonna have arguments and be outraged about something at least know what you’re arguing about
@@AL2009man Player character is silent, yes, the whole quirky "Wow look at this cool stuff happening" commentary comes from Jessie, overseer to the PC as they delve deeper into the virtual world for the information they need, and she basically stops existing after the first level in the 2nd hub, from then on only being heard from phones in certain levels that you can choose to ignore [though funny enough by being confined to the phones, she's more bearable because she sticks to plot stuff instead of being quirky, and in fact gets more serious and concerned as you progress] And granted she _kinda_ gets replaced with CAIT, but he's more tolerable because most of the time he just talks about the lore of the virtual world and the folks who made it, and gives you the occasional "Good job" of sorts after solving a puzzle, in a non-quirky manner, mind you Plus he's a cat and you can pet him, so that just adds to his tolerability
Most people probably did get the actual sentiment (voice is annoying, game is fine), twitter is just designed to find you the maximum number of angry, bored idiots as fast as possible.
people are unhappy so they want to make other people unhappy. Relax Vinny it was fun and the game is fun. No hate from people that are actually normal.
I think it's a generational reaction. Kids actually talk like this after their entire upbringing was watching vapid content that doesn't nourish critical thinking. There's an entire generation that need to be told how to feel and react, and if they're left with their open opinion they get angry. So Vinny completely shutting down generational dialog is interpreted to "old farts hate our hip thing" and they take it personal.
Literally this entire situation is “clip left the target audience and went to the cesspools of Twitter” lmao. Also I’m loving the Binding of Isaac music in the background.
It's really refreshing to know that there are people like Vinny who know that they did nothing wrong even when they're getting negative attention and I'm so glad that he didn't feel the need to apologise
Yooo, it's the funny guy from the Viewfinder video!!! Finally found your channel! Can't wait to see more of your content!!! (Hopefully it's completely normal and has nothing to do with aliens and/or ducks.)
Same reason people living paycheck to paycheck by "rich people" brands. What you look like, and how you think is important when you're in a cult, and god damn everything is a cult.
@@SeasoningTheObese if only they were the fun kind of cults that come with matching evil cloaks, books for casting spells, and the parties with the funny tasting fruit punch. :(
@@crackedemerald4930 it really does, i follow a lot of smaller artists and game devs where their projects get little traction but one hot take will be posted and suddenly the interaction just blows up. while the dev isnt "small", a good example would be anytime David Szymanski posts about Fallout New Vegas xD
@@SeasoningTheObeseeverything is a cult. Yep. People don't realize that they and their little groups of people are minor religions and coping mechanisms that poison their individuality and overall sympathy. Anything that can be described as "being a fan" falls into this cult term. Fanaticism was never good until others in their group told them it was because they are fanatics. Sports fans, drug fans, socialite fans, technology fans, brand fans, pet fans, dietary fans, astrology fans, music fans, movie fans, fashion fans, vehicles fans, airline fans, news fans, shows fans, toys fans, SERVICE provider fans, phone plans, computer fans, console fans, social events fans, etc. People love to invest their personality and hours of happiness into inanimate transactions of money and feel attacked when anyone even suggest they are tools for doing so.
So many people on Twitter are so bored with their lives they need to create drama out of nothing just to appease themselves. Vinny is out here living his life, keep up the good work!
Most modern problems are because we humans desire struggle, and in the safe cushy world we live in struggle is harder to find unless you create it yourself.
@@MrFRNTIKyes, it's pathetic. People live with their silly little burdens and decide the farthest of things is where they will explode. Not exploding where the main issue is mind you, they are just looking for an outlet to their frustrating and inability to make a change in their lives.
Props for Vinny for still playing the game; I got only 20 minutes into Borderlands 3 and the villain's dialogue was such cursed Zoomer shit that I actually died. My ghost is typing this right now
@@MurrmorMeerkat unfortunately the whole joke is, and i hope you're sitting down with a cloth to catch the piss jet, they're streamers showing their evil deeds and that's about it. that is the entirety of their character and any "extremely LOL" humour associated with them. literally every sentence out of their mouths made me want to get a refund and i just started to tune out the dialogue because i despised it so much (i was playing it for a friend). it's far too on the nose like, "hey stupid, did you get the joke yet? what if we tell it again? a third time? of course we will!" I've heard it called "Millennial writing" so it seems like nobody can make up their mind which generation to blame bad writing on or who it appeals to; from the borderlands series that never had great writing to begin with
I like to think most people are like me in this instance. I saw the clip, saw the cringe dialogue and funny reaction, and went "damn that concept still looks awesome I will still probably check it out and do what vinny did."
@@redtheyiffer man you don't know what it's like to read "yiff compilations replied to your comment". I did however say most people, not every single person.
Just because the gameplay's good, doesn't mean the overall product is flawless. The dialogue in that game is genuinely terrible, and you got to see people's honest reactions in real time, the moment that clip got uploaded (Vinny's included). Again, it doesn't ruin the game, the gameplay carries the experience, but the dialogue was a mistake, and people rightfully laughed at it and expressed their distain.
To note, that clip is currently at 18.5 million views. Probably one of the most viewed Vinny clips ever. But yeah this is Twitter (or "X" now?). Many people don't have nuance unfortunately.
@@danielchucho8198 Oh I didn't even realize there was a separate one floating around Twitter. Haven't been able to access that site since Musk broke it and it's honestly been really refreshing not having to look at it.
Y'know, thinking about it, as batshit insane and stupid as the rebranding is, in some regard, it's a bit fitting As the average Twitter user has nothing X-citing going on in their lives anyhow ...yeah, that was horrid, I apologize
I don't understand why people would be up and arms over that. The subtitles still show up without the dialogue so you're still experiencing the story. Just without the actors saying them. I know a good portion of people mute in game music just so they can listen to their own music while playing the game. Isn't that the same thing? Yet people don't complain about that. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering it's Twitter.
From what I understand, the people who are mad think that the clip, because it has millions of views, will single-handedly destroy this otherwise good game just because it has bad dialogue.
@@Marlotixthat doesn't make sense rationally. The clip is literally demonstrating how even with bad dialog, you can continue to enjoy it because there's an option to turn it off. The outrage is mostly about the voice actress being "disrespected", because people who want that line of work get anxious their career option is being blasted by content creators and the general public and NEED to defend it because they will be part of that scene.
@@lasarousi You and I are seeing different people complain about different things then. I've seen people bring that point about turning it off up but then they respond with "I don't care" or "It shouldn't be in the game anyway" or "They shouldn't make me have to turn a feature of the game off." I hadn't seen anyone talk about the voice actress other than some people feeling bad for her or others making "women aren't funny" jokes (which ironically those jokes aren't funny).
i remember see this guy be like "uhhhm yeah don't do this" in reaction to the clip on twitter like they were some high and mighty arbiter of appropriate criticism. like bro, we know you just want to get goodboy points from the indie game community
"Hey guys this is totally sickening and unacceptable and I'm not just saying this to signal boost myself with my contemporaries. ...Buuuut if you must know I've been working on this small pr-".
@@scrungthere was what was seemed to be a smear campaign organized against him, possibly by/at the very least backed by a jilted ex-vinesauce streamer (kicked for soliciting donations from the community under guise of an emergency) back in 2021 The allegations made claims about Vinny being a sex pest, but none of them painted Vinny as actually having done anything bad (with several victims, all of whom were all consenting adults also coming out in defense of Vinny as their part of the story had been deliberately misrepresented by the person) - with the brunt of any actual sin being ghosting hookups and possibly spreading an undetectable STD, with at least one or two pieces of falsified evidences. Though he didn't do anything terrible, the campaign definitely had an effect on Vinny, a pretty private person. I think Jabroni Mike (an old friend of his) made a tweet saying he'd no longer be friends if the allegations were true, but I can't remember if that was true. Regardless, Vinny made a pretty somber video discussing what would be going down, sought legal counsel for libel, and went away for a few months. Ultimately that was the most important point I think, as he got a much needed break from streaming nightly and was able to reorient his priorities.
oh another youtuber is exposed for being a child predator yawn oh hold the phone this other guy muted a video game dialogue this needs my attention and is important
I found it amusing because vinny was exactly because of how quickly he noped it, it was like if GladOs had all the charm sucked out of her dialogue. The whole reason GladOs worked was because she delivered all her lines under 18 miles of sarcasm. "How amazing, you managed to survive *slow clap"
Vinny's feelings on the lame MCU quips resonate far and wide. Devs need to learn that just because you *can* have voiced dialogue doesn't mean you *should* if you can't write worth a damn.
Why tf did this appear in my recommended again right as the og clip blew up again. I didn’t even realize this video was 5 months old at first lol how did UA-cam know
Most plausible reasons I've seen regarding why the site had a hissy fit: 1. Fringe kinds of people took him muting the female voice as a stance on female voice actresses. When in reality it was just a gut reaction to hearing the same sarcastic/ironic humor that has plagued entertainment for the last couple of years. 2. Some people were linking it to the writer's strike currently going on. Seeing it as a disrespect on the effort put by the games writers who made the dialogue. 3. People wanting to increase their viewer engagement by partaking in a little rage baiting, in the effort of getting some clicks. Edit: As for the people attacking the game, it was simply because they assumed the game's quality in all it's parts was on par with the writing present in it, which is a stupid line of reasoning if I'm being honest.
I thought the clip was hilarious because I had the EXACT same reaction to the dialogue in that game. I even tried turning it back on at one point halfway through the demo I was playing, and it was just as bad. It's exactly what Vin said at 2:38, I just want to experience the game without _that_ kind of dialogue.
At this point if there's drama and twitter is mad at you, you're doing something right and getting popular. Upsetting Twitter is like a badge of honor now.
@margarinesnatcherStrongly agree! Even when Vinny muted it, we can still see how scoff-inducing the dialogue is by the subtitles. I believe not even Vinny can pull it off if he got the gig!
The sad part is, the initial companion character and the ecological plot are the two points that really detract from the game, and both do so to such a heavy extent that the game is regarded far worse than it realistically deserves. Were the plot simply CAIT the AI lost in old photographs, unable and unwilling to move on from a fictional world stuck in the past, that would be an exceptionally poignant tragic story needing no additional context. However, since the game starts out with an incredibly irritating voiceover character, that was enough of a bother that even the devs gave the option to never pick up her voicemails, and then progresses into a weird climate narrative that seems at odds with itself and even _breaks the laws of physics on multiple occasions_ ("sound travels faster than light" and a real plant being brought out of a VR pod), it made itself hard to take seriously no matter how interesting the puzzles were.
Adding to what Vinny said, I think that acting with as much hate as people do towards the devs and the voice actress with regards to shitty dialogue is just as sad a behavior as being mad at his reaction.
Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure with something. It's only wrong if you then attack someone over it. Saying "this aspect of this game is shit, I don't like it" doesn't translate into "and also a pox upon your family" automatically. Some people take their criticisms too far, and then yet others still start associating all criticisms with attacks.
@@Guntfarm For these types of people, everything is an attempt at a revolution against women whenever people say something bad about something tangentially related to women. I saw the same hot takes when Forspoken's similarly terrible dialogue was getting dogged on, and many other culture war struggle sessions outside of video games. When you challenge them, they point to a small handful of comments or some appeal to "look for yourself". Just another internet troll, except they're serious.
Kinda reminds me of how Subnautica Below Zero kinda ruined the immense feeling of being *isolated by having constant lore dialogue that wasn’t even that good
Twitter will always be a site where ragebaiting is king, so reacting angrily to a clip of a guy literally just turning off the voice-over in a game is sadly a great way for people to gain a lot of engagement really fast, even if they know that they're overreacting to the problem or even barely give a shit about what they're saying. This culture also justifies (in people's minds at least) thinking that what Vinny did was some kind of "attack" against the game, when it really was just him being annoyed by something.
Every streamer I've seen so far decided or at least got tempted to mute the game at that exact moment too so idk why vinny is the only one getting the blame for it
Same as with the usual twitter brainrot events He just happened to be the one in the firing lines when twittoids got tired of being mad about the previous things and needed something else to make into a "controversy"
@@silverhand9965impressive considering the cesspits of twitter still havent gotten tired of the forbidden A and I. its gotten to the point where its just people saying they hate it and being unable to explain why, or even what AI actually does or anything. just a bunch of people spewing the shit they read from their favorite ignorant twitter personality months ago.
@@silverhand9965impressive considering the cesspits of twitter still havent gotten tired of the forbidden A and I. its gotten to the point where its just people saying they hate it and being unable to explain why, or even what AI actually does or anything. just a bunch of people spewing the shit they read from their favorite ignorant twitter personality months ago.
The thing that gets me is that at what point is something, like dialog, so bad that it's better to just remove it? Obviously, as was discussed, you can turn it off, which is standard. What I mean is that if I were to make a collage of art and most of it was satisfactory, but a part of two was so awful that it unintentionally detracted from the overall piece, then should those parts stay? The difference is that removing the dialog from a game is basically removing the story (whether someone thinks it belongs in said game is a different topic), but if it detracts enough and provides little enough value to the player as far as going into the negative, then should it be cut? Many games in the past, like Ratchet and Clank, had cut content that the devs would showcase in some form and sometimes things were cut due to time or know-how, but many times also just because they said it wasn't... Not necessarily "fun", because I don't think that word applies to everything, but that it was just too flawed. Sometimes major components would get cut. Again, there's a choice to turn off the dialog, as we know, but if it's mere existence is that bad, then why is it there other than simply for the sake of it? And I mean that more from the perspective that if I make something I want it to be the best that it can. If I make something terrible, of course I'd try to learn from it, but I'd rather not pass it off as my best.
@@LocalSlasherand that's the other side of the tugwar. This game is ambience and environmentally focused. A narrative that is told through show don't tell would have been prime, not even through much text either. Just environmental storytelling. Instead there's the equivalent of the tiktok text to speech lady voice "hyping" up a game that does not need to be hyped up.
The later dialogue is quite good. It's really only that first part that's that bad. Ripping all dialogue from the game would have been worse for the game as a completed work, no question.
@@AlphaetusPrimealmost definitely false, this kind of game doesnt need spoken dialogue and I hate that its a trend for every single game to have it. image myst if a quirky halfwit were saying really obvious or really stupid shit ever time you took a breath. it would have been an objectively worse experience.
I played the demo of this game and while I didn't mute the lady, I can see (well, hear) why it would be grating. That "Hello fellow children" feel of her dialogue wasn't fantastic. That said, I hate the fact that this game went viral for such a dumb reason. It's a beautiful and awesome puzzle game - and that's coming from someone who typically does not like puzzle games. It should be going viral for its merits, not because a youtuber muted a voice. This statement isn't against Vinny obviously. This is against the people who got angry over something so childish.
All these years I've been watching fullsauce, I've never been able to catch an actual stream... let alone watch clips. So I had zero idea this even happened.
The people saying he's being sexist and/or misogynist are really trying to cope over about how bad the dialouge is. God forbid anything be criticized anymore.
I was defending the game cuz its actually good appart from the dialogue and then got hated on by a tweet with like 30k likes, twitter is so hateful lmao
it was probably botted tbf so dont mind it too much, these kinda people are way too fragile to have any confidence in their opinion unless the funnie "i agree with you" icon has a bigger number than the person they're replying to, even if they know it's fake. It's incredible how braindead the average person pretending to have moral superiority is on bird site.
i remember seeing someone on twitter who was verified that vowed to never watch vinesauce based solely on this clip, and for a second i thought they were someone important; then i realized that nowadays, the only thing that actually means is that you're an elon shill
@@PondScummertiktok and UA-cam shorts are hyper focused on outrage too. I get attempts to engage me by pushing extreme political agendas that swing from extreme to extreme with no nuisance and actual individual rationalism or cultural background. It's everywhere now. What used to be limited to the news channel and old ladies gossip is now the main engagement for kids and young adults.
It's so funny how people will hate anything remotely problematic but let Elon musk off the hook when he runs a company like a child emperor just because he's addicted to social media
1:32 You started sitewide drama Oh, okay I love how Vinny sounds like he's a tired dad before he got his coffee and his 4 year old is telling him not to mess up their stack of coffee creamer cups as he proceeds to grab one from the stack.
Even having already seen the moments on the clips channel, loading up the vod and seeing that the first mute moment was like 10 seconds into the game sent me, I was laughing so much lmao.
I don't know what ground they have to get angry over that clip. I seen that clip before and 100% felt the same way as Vinny. People find the dumbest things to get mad over.
The common Twitter user sh*t and cry when you look their way and say something they dislike such as "Take a shower" or "Go outside", nothing to worry about when they're upset. It's normal Twitter behavior.
To be fair telling someone to take a shower or go outside is a very childish and dismissive insult. Anyway let me just quickly shower and go outside so when someone inevitably replies telling me to take a shower and/or go outside, it isn't relevant and they're the one with egg on their face.
there was drama around that clip? i literally saw it yesterday and just thought it was funny and moved on, dialogue is cringey and generic, makes perfect sense but ig twitter just doing what it does best - find a problem with literally everything
It's such a shame because the game has a built in point that would be perfect for introducing that character in a good way, no spoilers but there's a short segment early on in the game that takes the player away from the main game and gives us some context for the plot, and if that was the first time we were introduced to that voice and character, that would have worked so much better! I think what made the character so grating was how it shatters the games calm atmosphere so frequently, if they had just waited to introduce that character, then relegated them to the phones later in the game it would have worked great! still an amazing little game, but I have to wonder how that character came to be in the game the way it was...it just seemed so counter to the atmosphere the rest of the game was going for
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"Dude what happened!?"
"The clip left it's target audience."
That's always how it goes down.
@@Kango234not just vivi to like every form of entertainment
Perfect way to put it actually, I've seen this happen over and over again.
Someone putting out something funny for their audience which gets exclusively positive responses, but it happens to get enough clicks to be picked up by the algorithm and now people outside of that audience see it.
Suddenly - Drama.
Never worth getting bothered about it, it's sometimes even added content because - as with the aforementioned clip - people getting mad about such trivial things is sometimes entertaining.
*its
@@ikikaera3402 tbf tho there is a big difference between "meme man mutes a character" and "my audience abides terrible shit that wouldnt fly elsewhere"
"You started sitewide drama"
"Oh ok"
Best response right there.
I wish to be as unbothered as Vinny is.
@404TVfr I will try, for you.
@@lasarousi already failed, shouldve replied with ok, now lets try again
This chain of replies is the thing ever
@@lasarousi Honestly, I don't envy the amount of bullshit he's had to go through to brush it off like that.
The idea that someone got actually angry that Vinny muted that dialogue is really, really funny. Almost as funny as the clip itself
the argument i saw from some (not all) was that muting the clip was fueled by misogyny since people tend to react negatively to women being in video games. while misogyny in the gaming sphere is definitely a real thing that should be addressed, in vinny's case it was definitely not for that reason and it felt weird to see people make thinkpieces on him over it? at least, i've never gotten women-hating vibes from binyot before so maybe that's just me. felt like accusations that would most certainly fit others being thrown at him from people who have never watched a single second of one of his streams.
it got taken WAY too seriously and that energy that could've been expended on anything else of actual importance.
@@noahfan2719calling the responses to him "think pieces" implies that those whales actually think.
@@noahfan2719 lol I'm a girl and I'd have done the same as him, I cannot stand those kinds of voices.
@@Goldenblade14
Calling these cretins whales is an insult to whales, those animals are beautiful and majestic.
If it was a guy narrating my massive man-rection (called so because I'm straight as fuck and not gay and perfectly fine and okay with my sexuality) would've pulled me trough it and i wouldn't have muted it.
It WAS pretty impressive how fast Vinny hit the menu and went straight to the speech volume, you gotta admit.
You gotta give props to the GUI designers
@@crackedemerald4930I'd say it's almost like they knew.
Whoa, is this the OG TIHYDP creator? Good to still see you knockin' about!
@@KeroKero_Cola Nah, you're thinking of EvilAJ. I just showed up later.
(I'm flattered you'd think I was, though 😌✨)
@@crackedemerald4930they knew users would like to mute this visually appealing, ambience focused interactive art piece so they get high to play or use their own music to take in the visuals.
"I offer no apologies, all I did was mute the audio."
I wish more people would refuse to apologize when they've done nothing wrong.
I'd say though that people should stop acting like apologies have to be some admission of guilt.
"Sorry if this came across as misogynistic to some of you but all it was was that I really didn't like the writing" isn't exactly surrendering yourself either, just a way to clear up intentions.
@@Hero_Puddle Except they are treated that way. That's exactly why the people who get upset demand an apology. They're bullies getting mad over something inconsequential and reading something into a situation that doesn't exist.
He said he didn't meant it as a slight against the VA. He clarified that it's a directional problem. He said all he did was mute the audio.
Anyone unsatisfied with that has an ego problem and doesn't deserve an apology.
Nah they can and should get fucked if they interpret this as misogyny @@Hero_Puddle
@@Hero_PuddleMisogynistic? The fuck? How????
@@MaxwellTornado 99% sure that was just used as an example
I think Zach hit the nail on the head in that Oneyplays Forspoken video, where he says "imagine if, in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker spent the first 15 minutes going 'this can NOT be happening! Euuuaaah droid! Euuuaahhh guy with a scary helmet! What is going ooonnnnnnnn!?!?"
Even though it was meant to be goofy, it's an accurate depiction of this style of writing.
yiik moment
I’m not saying I like forspoken, in fact I despise just about everything in it, but Luke has been living in that universe his whole life, whereas forspoken protag (forgot her name and don’t care) got anime isekai’d into a fantasy world.
There would be no conceivable reason why Luke would react to things that way unless he was mentally challenged, whereas forspoken protag has to cope with suddenly being in a new world and having never before heard of powers when our normal Earth is all she’s known. Her confusion is understandable, but the writers take it way too far and make her seem like a pissant with practically every line she says.
because its a game, you literally are frey. I don't need to be told how to feel because I'm also in that world for the first time. dialogue like that ruins all immersion
@@cyber_xiii3786 She was talking like a spastic before she went into the fantasy world though, and in the fantasy world it's not just limited to dialogue involving her being confused, so that reasoning doesn't work
@@cyber_xiii3786Have you not seen Starwars? Luke lived isolated on a farm on a desert planet his whole life before he's recruited to become a jedi, fly to other planets in the galaxy and take on the empire alongside other rebels. Modern writers could easily take that premise and ruin it with an obnoxious protagonist who can't go 5 sec without commenting on what's happening. Just because Forspoken was an isekai, doesn't mean the protagonist couldn't be written better. I've seen plenty of isekais with likeable main characters that don't act like that.
I think it's funny people take Vinny and his decisions in video games so seriously. The dude that can make 3 duck noises simultaneously with his voice and lives with a weed smoking Alien.
@clownmoshpit2778Yeah theyve accomplished so much in the gaming sphere, like uh...um...
@@SwizzleDrizzlthey were in the NEWS
wait the alien isnt joel?
I’m confused, are these supposed to be reasons not to take him seriously?
This reminds me of when he played Amongus VR on VR chat the first time and Peachjars was there. Everyone interpreted him as hating every second he was around her and was trying to fabricate so much drama when it was so obvious Vinny was just being quieter because he didn't know everyone. Some people are just insane.
The problem isn't the VA's, it was what they had to read.
That and direction. You can be the best actor in the world, if you're made to deliver your lines in an obnoxious way, it's going to be obnoxious
Even cringe lines can be made to work (granted, the ones in Wayfinder or Forspoken really start with a big handicap in that department), as long as they're handled with a very competent direction
Just like Vinny said in the same stream lol, he never badmouthed the VAs
@@silverhand9965 what actors could say those lines without them sounding obnoxious and patronising? I honestly can't think of any, maybe Jerry Seinfeld or Adam Sandler because you'd know they're being ironic?
@JacobKinsley Morgan Freeman
Didn't Vinny later mention in the stream that we're kinda quick to just blame directing for bad voice acting? Not that it wasn't the case for this particular game, I just see that's often the easy answer people jump to when really it can be multiple factors.
Imagine if Chell from Portal/Portal 2 never shut up and was saying things like:
“Huh. Looks like the white walls can hold the portals.”
“Cool! I shot a portal I can see myself!”
“Wonder if my speed carries when I go through one of these things.”
“Well hey there Companion Cube, you look cute. Maybe I should call you … Companion Cute.”
“That idiot Glados is really getting on my nerves, is she watching me through those cameras?”
Add in even more shitty quips like jumping through a portal fast or using the gel and her going "WOOHOO, THIS IS GREAT!", and making snarky quips whenever you break a camera/wheatley screen like "Hah, that'll show you. Or at least, it'll show whatever robot has to come fix this, I guess..." "What the hell, is this a bridge? Made of... light? I guess if don't have another choice..." And then make it like every AAA game with stealth by having her constantly talk whenever turrets are around but can't see her like "Hmm, maybe I can use those laser cubes to ignite those turrets..." "I better find a way around these turrets, I wonder if the light bridges are solid enough to block bullets?"
this is the perfect example
did that big robot just start filling this room with neurotoxin? thats like, gonna kill me!
@@theincursion5898 I read this in shaggy's voice once I saw the "like" part.
*Stands on faith plate*
"Bouncepad!"
I like how the account that posted it was called "vinesauce clips out of context" and then people got mad because they assumed that was the whole context.
its actually called Vinesauce Clips Bot
It's one of the funniest clips I've seen in a hot minute, and so much "drama" from a funni made by Pizza Pasta man
where's the clip?
@@johnsherfey3675 It's on his twitch clip channel on UA-cam.
bout as much drama from that car spawning glitch clip form Cyberpunk
It just blew up due to relatability and perfect comedic timing. Muting voices isn't much different from mashing through tedious conversations in FF16. The option is appreciated, and I'd hope other developers don't start removing it out of spite.
Yeah, if that were to happen, I think it may be time to get them therapy and put restraining orders on investors and executives to forbid them from coming near the devs, because obviously somthing bad is happening there.
@@feelinghealing3890 "put restraining orders on investors and executives to forbid them from coming near the devs"
this sounds too good, we would need this
@@feelinghealing3890Banning the suits from interacting with the devs or VA's in general sounds wonderful
@@Snooopy28you would be surprised how fast a game falls appart if you leave the devs without supervision.
@@massgunner4152 by game devs, i also mean the game director who manages the project, if thats what you mean
Did… hang on, did you just, cause controversy on the internet?!
I DID IT WITH MY FREAKIN' KEYBOARD!
If enough Twitter users become aware of you, you will cause controversy merely by existing.
I JUST BANKRUPTED THIS GAME COMPANY, WITH MY FREAKING MIND!!
@@ghoulbuster1 woah, did that just happen?? Yeah, Science!
Ermmm, kinda awkward?
my biggest beef with the dialogue is that it and the subtitles are mismatched. one of the phonograph recordings vinny interacted with in the first VOD for that game had entire sentences left out from the subtitles!! it pisses me off knowing that as much as I don't like the voice acting, the subtitles don't even transcribe everything and can't serve as a proper replacement for the dialogue spoken aloud.
Anime dub and subtitles at the same time be like
Why even have subtitles if they're not gonna have all the dialogue that's being spoken?
Voice actors trying to spice up the recording and impress contractors often change the dialog in the spot
While the subtitles are worked with the written script by a different person.
Then lack of communication within the devs end up with mismatched subtitles.
It also pisses me off because it's a small red flag that the development team was cohesive.
@@lasarousiyou'd think they'd go back after they got the voice lines and tweak the subtitles to make them fit better, but that's less common than you'd think
@@carlosemilio5180
nah but seriously, why can't they use one translation for both 😭
Vinny is so real for this. I've seen the clip go viral on Twitter and I was so confused when I seen the complaints and how they think you hate the game. Brain rot.
Twitter as always
it's not like that, sure there were some who interpreted it like that, but there are more issues than twitter users misinterpreting something, the clip exploded and it basically ruined the perception of the game because it's so easy to join into making fun of the game when so many people do it, the writing is just corny, that's it, but people are so cynical that immediately went "no chances from me for this game" or "im gonna pirate it" (and indie game btw) when their work deserves to be recognized, the issue is not with vinny but with the way we viralize this type of point-and-laugh content
again, it's easy to go "ugh twitter again" but please have some nuance and look a bit more deep into the situation
If it's Twitter you can completely disregard it as people coping with their inability to affect their own life.
@@gaogaogaga true and i hope they and you will remember that next time there is a big booba girl in a japanese RPG.
@@gaogaogagayou are talking like that is somehow vinny's fault for literally just finding dialog annoying and using the in game options to turn it off. every person involved in making that controversial is completely insane, and incapable of functioning outside twitter.
I saw people on twitter comparing the dialogue to portal and saying that people would have hated portal if it released now... i cant with that app anymore
I still play portal 2 to this day, it’s a better single player experience than 70% of what’s released today.
The original Portal was very tame and concise with it's dialogue to the point where I'm sure a good chuck of Zoomers would even find it boring. The second game was when it started getting a little more quirky with it's dialogue however it was spaced out and consciously written to not be absolutely obnoxious to the player.
@@FelipeJaquez As a “Zoomer” (albeit on the older end of the spectrum) Portal/Portal 2 are some of my favorite games of all time.
@@mask-mimic I obviously know that not every single Zoomer is a low attention span dopamine addict or something it's just that these people think the Portal games were somehow catering to that stereotype when they don't fit the description at all. They point to the little bit of quip humor that it had and think because of that it means everyone who criticizes newer games that do have honest to god terrible writing is a "hypocrite" which is just terrible reasoning.
lmao, portal quotes are still being memed today, they are genious
But really, it can't be understated how perfect the comedic timing was. Finding it so fast was one thing, but seeing the subtitles of her saying "Whoa, sick" really ascended the whole clip. You couldn't write a funnier skit.
Well it pissed me off to no end because _I_ liked the dialogue, but I guess I dont fucking matter eh?
@@aturchomicz821 the dialogue is completely fine later in the game i will admit but for the first 10 minutes its genuinely awful and im sure this is bait
@@aturchomicz821
The world does not revolve around you.
If you liked it, good for you, don't let what other people think affect you.
But if you think that because YOU, a random internet person, liked something, then that means EVERYONE should like it? You have serious issues
@@aturchomicz821 play the game then bruv
@@aturchomicz821no lol
hang
So let me get this straight. That clip. Just went viral. That clip just went viral!? Erm okay. So apparently that's happening. Wow, I wonder what other kookie events are in store for us.
Vinny, the streamer best known for his hate and vitriol, finally gets ousted by the twitter crowd of justice.
I'm glad that Vinnys reign of malice has finally come to an end.
This makes Vinny sound like some Ganondorf-esque king of evil LMAO.
Marisa
@@Spectacles_vinny is cdi ganon
@@kellymountainhe will make *your face* the *GREATEST* in Koridai. Or else you will *D I E !*
How dare you make him out to be some kind of Crenando
It's definitely hard to know what's going to trend, but to say it's completely tarnished the game's reputation is an overstatement.
Regardless of whether or not it was an indie game or a AAA game, first impressions are so, so critical to games. If that's the first impression you get at the start of the game, then it's really hard to shake it off. I feel like regardless of whether Vinny said it or not, some clip of some similar fashion would've gone across the web just as quickly.
A large part of the issue also comes from an audience that really went very far with the response to these kinds of dialogue, from what I have seen. Obviously not at all related to Vinny, but unfortunately the fact it's a woman reading the line brings in a lot of terrible gamerpeople with their awful discourse.
@@andrefonseca5097 I highly dislike this kind of talk. Saying that criticism basically just coming from bigots who hate women. You know that's not what it is, not entirely. Maybe there is a part of that which is true, but you can say that about anything. I've heard people dismiss criticism as bigotry far too much and so I think you'd understand why I find it hard to take what you say genuinely.
@@andrefonseca5097 "hey guys um gamers are BIGOTS and RACISTS and HATE WOMEN
I'm not one of those gamerpeople™️ I'm a nice gamer
On an unrelated note why won't any women fuck me"
@@andrefonseca5097 the issue wasnt that she was a woman, the issue was that the dialog was terrible
@@andrefonseca5097
Why do I get the feeling you're single? I saw the clip and the comments on there and not one comment mentioned anything about it being a woman, that's such a strawman assumption I don't even know where to start with you. Yikes.
When vinny gets upset he really does sound like he's going to throw up.
he got that mariokart in him
This actually happened once, he ruined a ballpit because he couldn't swim to the bottom like the other kids.
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH IT WAS HIM ALL ALONG
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH AUGH
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH it happened twice even, as someone else alluded to when he played Super Mario Kart with a friend as a kid and got so pissed over something he threw up
Honestly I think people should just take it as a given that whenever something takes off on twitter there’s always going to be some drama and to not dwell on it too much. I say this as someone who unfortunately frequents twitter
yes, but i hope you know that many fortunately think the same way as you, in the sense, that they dont get hung up, or know enough about the situation to properly put it away in memory, but yes, best is to just ignore it
being aware of things isnt a crime
It almost topped how fast he closed out and deleted DMC2 from his switch.
This was faster by a second
@@lasarousi deleting DMC2 held more weight though
yeah deleting DMC2 had a lot more weight, especially because all he did with viewfinder was change the settings and even still played the game
This reminds me of a piece of developer commentary from Half-Life: Alyx. She originally had a lot more reactions but playtesters thought it was annoying, so they cut most of the dialogue and only had her quip up for reactions that are pretty much universal across everyone playing the game. For example, most people went like “woah this is weird” when encountering the Vortigaunt hideout so they put that dialogue in
That's a smart choice. Alyx SHOULD be more chatty than Gordon, but not to the point of overwhelming the player.
@@Rad-Dude63andathird yeah, she’s supposed to complement the player, she isn’t supposed to tell the player how to react. A lot of game developers nowadays forget that and you get characters that go like “no way… I just made a portal with my mind???”
valve is obsessed with testing their games over and over, it's why they take so long to release anything, but also why their games are so good
I guess Vinny’s actions spoke louder than words.
you could say that it has forspoken
these people just wanted a view to find.... er
just wanted to get a little high on life
My only problem with this situation is the people who act like they played the game but say the voice is coming from the player character. And start arguing about silent protagonists Vs vocal ones completely missing the actual context of the game and clip. If you’re gonna have arguments and be outraged about something at least know what you’re arguing about
Half thought meaningless drivel with a dash of bad comprehension is probably what composes 99% of the comments on the internet. Better get used to it.
And you *play* as a Silent Protagonist...right?
@@AL2009man
Player character is silent, yes, the whole quirky "Wow look at this cool stuff happening" commentary comes from Jessie, overseer to the PC as they delve deeper into the virtual world for the information they need, and she basically stops existing after the first level in the 2nd hub, from then on only being heard from phones in certain levels that you can choose to ignore [though funny enough by being confined to the phones, she's more bearable because she sticks to plot stuff instead of being quirky, and in fact gets more serious and concerned as you progress]
And granted she _kinda_ gets replaced with CAIT, but he's more tolerable because most of the time he just talks about the lore of the virtual world and the folks who made it, and gives you the occasional "Good job" of sorts after solving a puzzle, in a non-quirky manner, mind you
Plus he's a cat and you can pet him, so that just adds to his tolerability
People arguing over shit they have no clue about on the Internet?
No way.
Inconceivable.
Most people probably did get the actual sentiment (voice is annoying, game is fine), twitter is just designed to find you the maximum number of angry, bored idiots as fast as possible.
i am mad at booty for not instantly dubbing the entire game in his RP voice tbh
Daily reminder that you are a man and nothing will ever make you a woman.
WOaH, DEED YU JOsT DO DAEt?
@@carlosemilio5180BiNTy, PleASe FiNd ViEW ... GUD
Hey, wait a minute...
YoY wOt, DaEtS seEkU!!.!.!
people are unhappy so they want to make other people unhappy. Relax Vinny it was fun and the game is fun. No hate from people that are actually normal.
Everything is dictated by a loud minority, followed up by the majority that just accepts it.
lol
You don't think it's just criticism?
Dumb Twitter bullshit is what it is
I think it's a generational reaction.
Kids actually talk like this after their entire upbringing was watching vapid content that doesn't nourish critical thinking.
There's an entire generation that need to be told how to feel and react, and if they're left with their open opinion they get angry.
So Vinny completely shutting down generational dialog is interpreted to "old farts hate our hip thing" and they take it personal.
Literally this entire situation is “clip left the target audience and went to the cesspools of Twitter” lmao.
Also I’m loving the Binding of Isaac music in the background.
This just show how people want to be upset by something no matter how dumb it is
Demon hee ho!
took you this long?????
If turning off audio in a video game makes twitter mad, you done the right thing.
It's really refreshing to know that there are people like Vinny who know that they did nothing wrong even when they're getting negative attention and I'm so glad that he didn't feel the need to apologise
Yooo, it's the funny guy from the Viewfinder video!!! Finally found your channel! Can't wait to see more of your content!!!
(Hopefully it's completely normal and has nothing to do with aliens and/or ducks.)
Yo, same here! I’m so new at watching this streamer! I hope he loves to play shooting games and not those baby Nintendo games!
@@schrunkleyevilversion2733personally i hope he plays persona 5 20 minute
kinda hope he played Undertale already
I hope he doesn't pretend to be an alien version of talk show host jay leno....
@@schrunkleyevilversion2733I hope he plays sans Undertale
The timing on the clip was hilarious
i will never understand the pack mentality most of people on twitter have, its like super childish
Same reason people living paycheck to paycheck by "rich people" brands. What you look like, and how you think is important when you're in a cult, and god damn everything is a cult.
@@SeasoningTheObese if only they were the fun kind of cults that come with matching evil cloaks, books for casting spells, and the parties with the funny tasting fruit punch. :(
I believe Twitter's algorithm favors conflict like a compost bin of discord.
@@crackedemerald4930 it really does, i follow a lot of smaller artists and game devs where their projects get little traction but one hot take will be posted and suddenly the interaction just blows up. while the dev isnt "small", a good example would be anytime David Szymanski posts about Fallout New Vegas xD
@@SeasoningTheObeseeverything is a cult.
Yep.
People don't realize that they and their little groups of people are minor religions and coping mechanisms that poison their individuality and overall sympathy.
Anything that can be described as "being a fan" falls into this cult term.
Fanaticism was never good until others in their group told them it was because they are fanatics.
Sports fans, drug fans, socialite fans, technology fans, brand fans, pet fans, dietary fans, astrology fans, music fans, movie fans, fashion fans, vehicles fans, airline fans, news fans, shows fans, toys fans, SERVICE provider fans, phone plans, computer fans, console fans, social events fans, etc.
People love to invest their personality and hours of happiness into inanimate transactions of money and feel attacked when anyone even suggest they are tools for doing so.
So many people on Twitter are so bored with their lives they need to create drama out of nothing just to appease themselves. Vinny is out here living his life, keep up the good work!
Most modern problems are because we humans desire struggle, and in the safe cushy world we live in struggle is harder to find unless you create it yourself.
so very true. people are bored and dissatisfied with themselves. they crave purpose
@@MrFRNTIKyes, it's pathetic.
People live with their silly little burdens and decide the farthest of things is where they will explode.
Not exploding where the main issue is mind you, they are just looking for an outlet to their frustrating and inability to make a change in their lives.
@@MrFRNTIKWell, it's only safe and cushy if you don't do/have anything that makes you stand out from the crowd, otherwise...
@@DeadHandtheSurvivorYeah and they don't, that's the point
Props for Vinny for still playing the game; I got only 20 minutes into Borderlands 3 and the villain's dialogue was such cursed Zoomer shit that I actually died. My ghost is typing this right now
God bless you, brave soldier.
Your story shall serve as a cautionary tale to protect others.
It's almost like...that was the point.. like they were hype beast streamers? Like they are My least fav villain but that was their point.
it's another example though of a game being able to be good despite its writing, if you can ignore the story or turn off the audio, it's a lot of fun
@@MurrmorMeerkat unfortunately the whole joke is, and i hope you're sitting down with a cloth to catch the piss jet, they're streamers showing their evil deeds
and that's about it. that is the entirety of their character and any "extremely LOL" humour associated with them. literally every sentence out of their mouths made me want to get a refund and i just started to tune out the dialogue because i despised it so much (i was playing it for a friend). it's far too on the nose like, "hey stupid, did you get the joke yet? what if we tell it again? a third time? of course we will!"
I've heard it called "Millennial writing" so it seems like nobody can make up their mind which generation to blame bad writing on or who it appeals to; from the borderlands series that never had great writing to begin with
i never even thought the va for the villian is bad at all but i can definitely see how people think that tbh
The one he muted wasn't even the main character, she was just your guide
I like to think most people are like me in this instance. I saw the clip, saw the cringe dialogue and funny reaction, and went "damn that concept still looks awesome I will still probably check it out and do what vinny did."
Nope, my reaction is to not interact with the game at all
@@redtheyiffer man you don't know what it's like to read "yiff compilations replied to your comment".
I did however say most people, not every single person.
@@AliceinEntropybro yiff compilations 💀
@@redtheyiffer🤡
The dialogue is literally just “erm… that just happened..”no shit he muted it
Just because the gameplay's good, doesn't mean the overall product is flawless. The dialogue in that game is genuinely terrible, and you got to see people's honest reactions in real time, the moment that clip got uploaded (Vinny's included). Again, it doesn't ruin the game, the gameplay carries the experience, but the dialogue was a mistake, and people rightfully laughed at it and expressed their distain.
God bless Vinny, I'm so sick of people bending over backwards to apologize for literally nothing.
The slider is there for a reason. Imagine getting upset over someone using a setting that exists in a game...
To note, that clip is currently at 18.5 million views. Probably one of the most viewed Vinny clips ever.
But yeah this is Twitter (or "X" now?). Many people don't have nuance unfortunately.
Lmao what? It has nowhere near that amount of views.
@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH The Twitter clip has 18.5 Million views.
@@danielchucho8198 Oh I didn't even realize there was a separate one floating around Twitter. Haven't been able to access that site since Musk broke it and it's honestly been really refreshing not having to look at it.
Cashing in on that zoom money
Y'know, thinking about it, as batshit insane and stupid as the rebranding is, in some regard, it's a bit fitting
As the average Twitter user has nothing X-citing going on in their lives anyhow
...yeah, that was horrid, I apologize
I don't understand why people would be up and arms over that.
The subtitles still show up without the dialogue so you're still experiencing the story. Just without the actors saying them.
I know a good portion of people mute in game music just so they can listen to their own music while playing the game. Isn't that the same thing? Yet people don't complain about that.
But I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering it's Twitter.
From what I understand, the people who are mad think that the clip, because it has millions of views, will single-handedly destroy this otherwise good game just because it has bad dialogue.
@@Marlotixthat doesn't make sense rationally.
The clip is literally demonstrating how even with bad dialog, you can continue to enjoy it because there's an option to turn it off.
The outrage is mostly about the voice actress being "disrespected", because people who want that line of work get anxious their career option is being blasted by content creators and the general public and NEED to defend it because they will be part of that scene.
Terraria's music fucking sucks
@@lasarousi You and I are seeing different people complain about different things then. I've seen people bring that point about turning it off up but then they respond with "I don't care" or "It shouldn't be in the game anyway" or "They shouldn't make me have to turn a feature of the game off."
I hadn't seen anyone talk about the voice actress other than some people feeling bad for her or others making "women aren't funny" jokes (which ironically those jokes aren't funny).
@@Marlotix i think he just really wants to blame sjws somehow even if it means using .0001% of a community's opinion and then calling it wokeism
Wild how people were mad at him for muting the audio and not the developer who added a setting that specifically mutes only the characters talking
i remember see this guy be like "uhhhm yeah don't do this" in reaction to the clip on twitter like they were some high and mighty arbiter of appropriate criticism. like bro, we know you just want to get goodboy points from the indie game community
"Hey guys this is totally sickening and unacceptable and I'm not just saying this to signal boost myself with my contemporaries.
...Buuuut if you must know I've been working on this small pr-".
Reminds me of that one guy who saw nude mods for RE 4 and acted like he saw some kind of warcrime
@@MrNoot39449 Naked nemesis
*puts option in the game to mute*
*gets mad when you use option*
@@mikadosannoji553 what is wrong with you
People gotta leave Vinny alone. I don't want to lose him again especially of something so meaningless
did he die and revive like jesus?
@@scrung He did. And when He rose from that rotten womb, the slime girls rejoiced.
@@scrungthere was what was seemed to be a smear campaign organized against him, possibly by/at the very least backed by a jilted ex-vinesauce streamer (kicked for soliciting donations from the community under guise of an emergency) back in 2021
The allegations made claims about Vinny being a sex pest, but none of them painted Vinny as actually having done anything bad (with several victims, all of whom were all consenting adults also coming out in defense of Vinny as their part of the story had been deliberately misrepresented by the person) - with the brunt of any actual sin being ghosting hookups and possibly spreading an undetectable STD, with at least one or two pieces of falsified evidences.
Though he didn't do anything terrible, the campaign definitely had an effect on Vinny, a pretty private person. I think Jabroni Mike (an old friend of his) made a tweet saying he'd no longer be friends if the allegations were true, but I can't remember if that was true.
Regardless, Vinny made a pretty somber video discussing what would be going down, sought legal counsel for libel, and went away for a few months. Ultimately that was the most important point I think, as he got a much needed break from streaming nightly and was able to reorient his priorities.
I laughed, realest vinny moment for me lmao
oh another youtuber is exposed for being a child predator yawn oh hold the phone this other guy muted a video game dialogue this needs my attention and is important
Honestly, knowing he muted it makes me want to watch his playthrough more.
Vinny muted it as fast as people have muted the Gray Leno voice
Top 5 funniest moments before disaster.
Number 5
I'm seeing more people complaining about the drama than any of the actual drama. Where are any of these "thinkpieces" everyone is talking about?
I guess you could just say, erm, that twitter drama just happened...
They're right behind me, aren't they?
*pinches self* erm, this isn't a dream? What the heck is this place...
I love the Binding Of Isaac music slowly ramping up in the background as the convo goes on.
Big VA has been tarnishing the objective superiority of silent protagonists.
To be pedantic, the protagonist of viewfinder is silent
The virgin wall of text ironic millenial humor vs the Chad "HUH" AND "UNF"
Biggest VA aren't even VA at all... Link Zelde....
the duality of man is totk link not talking so people going like "link sure just goes along with everything real easy, yeah?"
then this.
I found it amusing because vinny was exactly because of how quickly he noped it, it was like if GladOs had all the charm sucked out of her dialogue. The whole reason GladOs worked was because she delivered all her lines under 18 miles of sarcasm. "How amazing, you managed to survive *slow clap"
Vinny's feelings on the lame MCU quips resonate far and wide. Devs need to learn that just because you *can* have voiced dialogue doesn't mean you *should* if you can't write worth a damn.
Fuck man, kinda harsh lol
Why tf did this appear in my recommended again right as the og clip blew up again. I didn’t even realize this video was 5 months old at first lol how did UA-cam know
theres gotta be a deeper reason why theyre angry i feel like a lot of people are shoving past it.
Most plausible reasons I've seen regarding why the site had a hissy fit:
1. Fringe kinds of people took him muting the female voice as a stance on female voice actresses. When in reality it was just a gut reaction to hearing the same sarcastic/ironic humor that has plagued entertainment for the last couple of years.
2. Some people were linking it to the writer's strike currently going on. Seeing it as a disrespect on the effort put by the games writers who made the dialogue.
3. People wanting to increase their viewer engagement by partaking in a little rage baiting, in the effort of getting some clicks.
Edit: As for the people attacking the game, it was simply because they assumed the game's quality in all it's parts was on par with the writing present in it, which is a stupid line of reasoning if I'm being honest.
@@vohloo9797 "writers" and "effort" in the same sentence?
@@JacobKinsley yeah, should've added quotes to that part.
@@NewiarkNevermore People who think that clearly don't know what good writing is.
@@NewiarkNevermoreThat doesn't track because he's great friends with Limes and her voice is annoying as shit
I thought the clip was hilarious because I had the EXACT same reaction to the dialogue in that game. I even tried turning it back on at one point halfway through the demo I was playing, and it was just as bad. It's exactly what Vin said at 2:38, I just want to experience the game without _that_ kind of dialogue.
At this point if there's drama and twitter is mad at you, you're doing something right and getting popular.
Upsetting Twitter is like a badge of honor now.
twitter is a cesspool nowadays i'm surprised any mentally sound individuals still use it. everyone there is angry and nuts
You've gotta wonder how the voice actress must feel about all the flak she's been getting. Poor girl...
She's terrible. Who cares?
Probably first job too. Damn shame on the developers for ruining her life
She’ll be fine.
@margarinesnatcherStrongly agree! Even when Vinny muted it, we can still see how scoff-inducing the dialogue is by the subtitles. I believe not even Vinny can pull it off if he got the gig!
She got paid for it lmao
The sad part is, the initial companion character and the ecological plot are the two points that really detract from the game, and both do so to such a heavy extent that the game is regarded far worse than it realistically deserves. Were the plot simply CAIT the AI lost in old photographs, unable and unwilling to move on from a fictional world stuck in the past, that would be an exceptionally poignant tragic story needing no additional context. However, since the game starts out with an incredibly irritating voiceover character, that was enough of a bother that even the devs gave the option to never pick up her voicemails, and then progresses into a weird climate narrative that seems at odds with itself and even _breaks the laws of physics on multiple occasions_ ("sound travels faster than light" and a real plant being brought out of a VR pod), it made itself hard to take seriously no matter how interesting the puzzles were.
People need to loosen up.
Vin moved one option slider to one side, that's it
It's like the AVGN refusal to watch Ghostbusters 2016 "drama" where he himself didn't know the outrage of his video and he was like "Ok"
Adding to what Vinny said, I think that acting with as much hate as people do towards the devs and the voice actress with regards to shitty dialogue is just as sad a behavior as being mad at his reaction.
Very much agree
Nothing wrong with voicing your displeasure with something. It's only wrong if you then attack someone over it. Saying "this aspect of this game is shit, I don't like it" doesn't translate into "and also a pox upon your family" automatically. Some people take their criticisms too far, and then yet others still start associating all criticisms with attacks.
Saying a feature in a game is shit isn't "acting with hate and toxicity"
@@Guntfarm For these types of people, everything is an attempt at a revolution against women whenever people say something bad about something tangentially related to women. I saw the same hot takes when Forspoken's similarly terrible dialogue was getting dogged on, and many other culture war struggle sessions outside of video games. When you challenge them, they point to a small handful of comments or some appeal to "look for yourself". Just another internet troll, except they're serious.
@@TeamSprocket "struggle sessions"
Every single time
Muting the voices sounds reasonable enough.
Unless it's Super Mario Bros Wonder. Muting the talking flowers is a crime.
They aren't exception, they're just as bad.
Kinda reminds me of how Subnautica Below Zero kinda ruined the immense feeling of being *isolated by having constant lore dialogue that wasn’t even that good
Twitter will always be a site where ragebaiting is king, so reacting angrily to a clip of a guy literally just turning off the voice-over in a game is sadly a great way for people to gain a lot of engagement really fast, even if they know that they're overreacting to the problem or even barely give a shit about what they're saying.
This culture also justifies (in people's minds at least) thinking that what Vinny did was some kind of "attack" against the game, when it really was just him being annoyed by something.
Absolutely hilarious as always to see something like that clip getting the reaction it has lmao
Every streamer I've seen so far decided or at least got tempted to mute the game at that exact moment too so idk why vinny is the only one getting the blame for it
Same as with the usual twitter brainrot events
He just happened to be the one in the firing lines when twittoids got tired of being mad about the previous things and needed something else to make into a "controversy"
@@silverhand9965impressive considering the cesspits of twitter still havent gotten tired of the forbidden A and I. its gotten to the point where its just people saying they hate it and being unable to explain why, or even what AI actually does or anything. just a bunch of people spewing the shit they read from their favorite ignorant twitter personality months ago.
@@silverhand9965impressive considering the cesspits of twitter still havent gotten tired of the forbidden A and I. its gotten to the point where its just people saying they hate it and being unable to explain why, or even what AI actually does or anything. just a bunch of people spewing the shit they read from their favorite ignorant twitter personality months ago.
The thing that gets me is that at what point is something, like dialog, so bad that it's better to just remove it? Obviously, as was discussed, you can turn it off, which is standard. What I mean is that if I were to make a collage of art and most of it was satisfactory, but a part of two was so awful that it unintentionally detracted from the overall piece, then should those parts stay? The difference is that removing the dialog from a game is basically removing the story (whether someone thinks it belongs in said game is a different topic), but if it detracts enough and provides little enough value to the player as far as going into the negative, then should it be cut? Many games in the past, like Ratchet and Clank, had cut content that the devs would showcase in some form and sometimes things were cut due to time or know-how, but many times also just because they said it wasn't... Not necessarily "fun", because I don't think that word applies to everything, but that it was just too flawed. Sometimes major components would get cut.
Again, there's a choice to turn off the dialog, as we know, but if it's mere existence is that bad, then why is it there other than simply for the sake of it? And I mean that more from the perspective that if I make something I want it to be the best that it can. If I make something terrible, of course I'd try to learn from it, but I'd rather not pass it off as my best.
You don't need dialog to tell a story. It helps, sure, but it's not necessary
@@gingermcgingin4106True, but it would have to be designed that way from the start in that case (or completely re-worked).
@@LocalSlasherand that's the other side of the tugwar.
This game is ambience and environmentally focused. A narrative that is told through show don't tell would have been prime, not even through much text either. Just environmental storytelling.
Instead there's the equivalent of the tiktok text to speech lady voice "hyping" up a game that does not need to be hyped up.
The later dialogue is quite good. It's really only that first part that's that bad. Ripping all dialogue from the game would have been worse for the game as a completed work, no question.
@@AlphaetusPrimealmost definitely false, this kind of game doesnt need spoken dialogue and I hate that its a trend for every single game to have it. image myst if a quirky halfwit were saying really obvious or really stupid shit ever time you took a breath. it would have been an objectively worse experience.
I played the demo of this game and while I didn't mute the lady, I can see (well, hear) why it would be grating. That "Hello fellow children" feel of her dialogue wasn't fantastic.
That said, I hate the fact that this game went viral for such a dumb reason. It's a beautiful and awesome puzzle game - and that's coming from someone who typically does not like puzzle games. It should be going viral for its merits, not because a youtuber muted a voice. This statement isn't against Vinny obviously. This is against the people who got angry over something so childish.
That's just Twitter now being farmed on rage baiting posts from Elon shills
All these years I've been watching fullsauce, I've never been able to catch an actual stream... let alone watch clips. So I had zero idea this even happened.
The people saying he's being sexist and/or misogynist are really trying to cope over about how bad the dialouge is.
God forbid anything be criticized anymore.
Nuance was never Twatter's strong suite. Now least of all.
I was defending the game cuz its actually good appart from the dialogue and then got hated on by a tweet with like 30k likes, twitter is so hateful lmao
they had a "say something bad about X" trend a few weeks ago and every day there's a "say an unpopular opinion about x" tweet
I think that all Social Media thrives on controversy or ragebaiting, as they say "misery loves company"
mahatma gandhi would be ratio'd on twitter by an anime avatar
"say an unpopular opinion" Twitter user proceeds to say exactly what other Twitter users want to hear in order to be popular@@TallTapper
it was probably botted tbf so dont mind it too much, these kinda people are way too fragile to have any confidence in their opinion unless the funnie "i agree with you" icon has a bigger number than the person they're replying to, even if they know it's fake. It's incredible how braindead the average person pretending to have moral superiority is on bird site.
lmfao at the music cutting from peaceful to Binding of Isaac right as the clip gets brought up
for some reason i kept mentally waiting for vinny to turn into moistcritikal and say "and yeah, thats about it. cya" at the end of every sentence
i remember seeing someone on twitter who was verified that vowed to never watch vinesauce based solely on this clip, and for a second i thought they were someone important; then i realized that nowadays, the only thing that actually means is that you're an elon shill
Blue check marks are like the inverted seal of quality on the Nintendo games
@@PondScummertiktok and UA-cam shorts are hyper focused on outrage too.
I get attempts to engage me by pushing extreme political agendas that swing from extreme to extreme with no nuisance and actual individual rationalism or cultural background.
It's everywhere now. What used to be limited to the news channel and old ladies gossip is now the main engagement for kids and young adults.
It's so funny how people will hate anything remotely problematic but let Elon musk off the hook when he runs a company like a child emperor just because he's addicted to social media
Tbf, we need to gatekeep our favorite streamers and favorite media from pissbabies.
@@MacabreDaymare Gatekeeping is always morally correct.
1:32 You started sitewide drama
Oh, okay
I love how Vinny sounds like he's a tired dad before he got his coffee and his 4 year old is telling him not to mess up their stack of coffee creamer cups as he proceeds to grab one from the stack.
"You fricking fricks, one day you'll learn, that your actions have CONSEQUENCES!!" - SammyClassicSonicFan
"Oh, ok" - Vinny
who knew using a setting could cause drama
Even having already seen the moments on the clips channel, loading up the vod and seeing that the first mute moment was like 10 seconds into the game sent me, I was laughing so much lmao.
Talking about twitter drama is like talking how wet water is
Forspoken, Marvel Avengers, High on Life, Saints Row Reboot, the annoying dialogue has been taking its rounds on recent games
You mean to tell me that people can play a videogame however they want and still have a great time?
Outrageous!
I don't know what ground they have to get angry over that clip. I seen that clip before and 100% felt the same way as Vinny. People find the dumbest things to get mad over.
The common Twitter user sh*t and cry when you look their way and say something they dislike such as "Take a shower" or "Go outside", nothing to worry about when they're upset. It's normal Twitter behavior.
To be fair telling someone to take a shower or go outside is a very childish and dismissive insult. Anyway let me just quickly shower and go outside so when someone inevitably replies telling me to take a shower and/or go outside, it isn't relevant and they're the one with egg on their face.
when i go outside people still tell me to take a shower, instructions unclear, please help?
Imagine being so miserable that you have to start a drama over a Twitch streamer muting the voice in a video game.
Imagine being so chronically online you have a shit fit cause someone muted marvel-esc dialogue.
there was drama around that clip?
i literally saw it yesterday and just thought it was funny and moved on, dialogue is cringey and generic, makes perfect sense
but ig twitter just doing what it does best - find a problem with literally everything
Vinny's a hero for what he did. I hope he knows that.
It's always Twitter
Now for this clip to blow up bigger than the original clip resulting in a new clip discussing this clip discussing the other clip.
It's such a shame because the game has a built in point that would be perfect for introducing that character in a good way, no spoilers but there's a short segment early on in the game that takes the player away from the main game and gives us some context for the plot, and if that was the first time we were introduced to that voice and character, that would have worked so much better!
I think what made the character so grating was how it shatters the games calm atmosphere so frequently, if they had just waited to introduce that character, then relegated them to the phones later in the game it would have worked great!
still an amazing little game, but I have to wonder how that character came to be in the game the way it was...it just seemed so counter to the atmosphere the rest of the game was going for