Bible Code, Time Travel and God's Hate! | Brandon - AZ Calls Back | Talk Heathen 03.47
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My cereal once spelled out $ and now I'm a Scientologist.
Mike Crap joke and maybe you are a Scientologist
How'd you get a dollar sign in your alphabet cereal. Fuck. Now it's 2am and i really want a bowl of cereal.
Brandon did just keep saying "Heads I win, Tails you loose!"
He also is self-acknowledgedly servant to a fictional tyrant that hates people who disagrees with his twisted morals while claiming to be "love itself." What do you expect? This man is essentially a huge conglomeration of moral bankrupcy, delusion, self-contradictions and ignorance.
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d It is fairly easy for a lay-person to be trained to distinguish between normal and abnormal cells when viewed under a microscope (or them being presented with a photograph of that view) by letting them guess and then giving feedback if their choice was correct. They soon go to 90% accuracy.
What happens if you have 2 people doing this, but you give the feedback to both based on the first person's answer? So if A gets it right, B gets 'you choose correctly', no matter what B choose?
You get a person B who is creating a more and more complicated, convoluted theory what distinguished 'good' from 'bad' cells, because they are disconnected from reality, but seem (to themselves) to get better and better ... up to 90% accuracy.
And if you look at reading the Bible, trying to cram in all these contradictions: for example a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum (the deluge/Noah & The Arc) because it's own creations with free will had, well, free will (did god did not foresee exactly that would happen? God is said to be all-knowing and so on ...) and didn't grovel enough and the idea of "god is love" and so on and so on ... what do you think happens? Exactly, convoluted theories based on fake/unverified claims ...
And if you need to cling on to your view of a benevolent god that has your back and is on your side ...
Evangelical Christian you in a nutshell
My Cheerios keep saying “oooooo”, it’s definitely a message from god. When I drag my socks on a carpet Thor speaks through me also
Stoppp😂 this is the funniest thing I've heard all morning thank you
I actually feel like I lost brain cells listening to that one.
Andariel Drachen All two of them maybe
Yeah same here. I stopped after the first 3mins.
That was one of the most embarrassing arguments for Christianity ever🤭
But "statistical math is highest form of math". wtf?
I'd love to know why God would hide his prophecies in code so that they could only be discovered after the facts they are supposedly predicting.
... in a text that had to be translated first several time, and it only works in a specific translation, in a different translation other things emerge
Also Moby Dick! Apparently dictated by God or something ...
@Eziekle Crafts this isnt even a good troll
I think one of the Bible code proponents said he found the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin before it happened and tried to warn him about it. But still, yeah...
@@tekbarrier did he warn him before it or claim he tried to after it had already happened? Because I can claim I tried to warn kennedy or lincoln or I could make up a story about someone trying to warn them because what they found in the "bible code". If he has no evidence he tried to warn him from before it then I'd say its the typical " shoot an arrow at a tree and draw a circle where it hits" kind of prophecy.
@@Raycu2 assuming i see just because u dont believe something doesnt make it true their are people who dont believe the holocaust
If you take pairs of decimals contained in the value of pi and assign letters to those numbers, eventually you get the instruction manual for an Apple computer.
You mostly get garbage, but ignoring that, it works very well.
That's called the Apple pi code.
Brandon is an elegant example of the fact that half of the people on earth are below average, and about seventy million are in the bottom one percent.
Does this code exist in the original language or only when it's been translated several times?
Almost any code exists in any book. The principle behind it is that there are so many combinations that you can get by skipping letters that it's almost impossible not to find any given text in any book.
I think his point was that one change of a word would change the ENTIRE bible code. So as we dont have an original copy the entire idea that there is a perfect code put in by a deity is idiocy.
Not to mention that the language through which the "magical code" was unlocked didn't exist until hundreds of years AFTER the book was put together (assuming the code is based on an English version).
what separates divine from non devine is the mathematical precision of the text....the word DEMON literally means divine spirit and mathematical genius....look it up...its called wikipedia....simple
@@thetherorist9244 so the word demon was derived from the Greek "daimon" which was a tutelar god (personal god, household god). Has nothing to do with "mathematical genius", I don't even understand what point your trying to make. Btw my original point was that in any other language you would get a different code.
I dont like to call in with blank bullets! This guy forgot his gun!
Alien the movie made the hair on my arm stand up, therefore god.
Yes, that was god, and his name was H.R. Giger (r.i.p.).
@@MgtowRubicon lol, "mgtow"
Ahem its pronounced gawd or Jeebus you filthy heathen.
Scared the crap out of me as I sit here listening and eating ice cream. But since it is winter, I feel better about not drowning. Whew! That was a close one...
Thomas Ruwart
Don’t gasp.
If the bible was written in Greek and Hebrew, how come the code messages are in modern English??
They find the codes in the originals, doesn't make it more convincing, just pointing it out.
There is a vrs a apostle wrote a language he didn't know. But the angels assured him that. It was not ment for him. But that it would be understood by the ones the message was ment for. People in the future people today
@@joseyfuller How do you know that?
The Bible has been translated into just about every language of the human race. It would be interesting to know if these coded messages occur in all those languages. Unless I am misunderstanding how this Bible code works.
That was going to be my point as well, but you got there first. lt's a pity Brandon doesn't realise it as well.
This caller is like a child clinging on to his favourite toy and will not let go at any cost.
I can hear this guy lecturing his family at the dinner table every night. He knows all the answers and he's always right.
Brandon keeps droppin' the term 'Royal' - but the Royal Statistical Society didn't even publish the paper. The journal in question, "Statistical Science", is published by the Institute of Mathematical Statistics. Furthermore, the 1994 paper was written by three Israelis - none of whom are atheists. And they be callin' *you* arrogant for makin' 'em stick to facts & reality. . .
Its funny how a little honest detective work can change the entire picture!
Bill, you're only saying that because you're not using your god-given tool of confirmation bias!
God created man in his image.....then we returned the favor. - Voltaire
The Bible doesn't say, "God created man in His image." It does say, " *We* created mankind in *Our* image."
White jesus
🤣😂
Apparently they also did that to Tolstoy’s “War and peace” and Tolkien’s “Lord of the rings” and got all sorts of “predictions”.
My point is: having a big enough amount of text and being able to choose algorithms to pick letters you can make this “Bible code” say virtually anything!
Exodus 21: "Duck, Lincoln, Duck!
@Craig G Yeah. Those Lincoln jokes are never cool, right? LOL!
These calls make me kind of sad as they remind me of how closed minded I was as a believer.
They did find noahs ark and even in isaiah 60:8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds, like doves to their nests?" Talked about airplanes that fly in clouds and land soft like doves why did u stop believing though im really curious
Well, it sounds like you’ve broken free, so I’d say that’s an optimistic example!
@@nicklikesYT That describes literally everything that flies.
The book of genesis when run through the progran says "Paul is dead."
Very clever.
absolutely fantastic....well done.
The apostle Paul or Paul McCartney?
@@anonymousjohnson976 They are one in the same.
The Bible Code is an example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
The Bible Code (Torah Code) has been proven a lie already and yet, theists still pull that up as an example of divinity. Wtf man!
Diehards.
@@joerusso7851 indoctrinated diehards. That force field of ignorance deflects All facts about reality.
I knew a man in the 1970s who because of the Pyramid Inch, which he got out of the Bible,( somewhere) knew that the world was coming to an end in 1996. Still waiting
what separates divine from non devine is the mathematical precision of the text....the word DEMON literally means divine spirit and mathematical genius....look it up...its called wikipedia....simple
@Eziekle Crafts Satan only became evil because kicked him out of Heaven in a fizzy fit. Or so the story goes. Still prefer Harry Potter. But that is a different storybook. A different Fairy Tale, that doesn't take itself so seriously
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
"Statistical math is the highest form of math." Hmmm? Really? According to which experts and regarding which aspects?
Statistically speaking, 99% of all N mathematicians say this where N is a number. Just using their own warped logic.
So the statistical math produced a pattern. So what? Every book subjected to this test would produce one that is probably different from the others. Btw, which version or language of bible was used? Would the results be the same for all versions?
Whatever the results may be does not confirm the existence of god.
Didn't Mark Twain say that "there are three kinds of lies-- lies, damned lies and statistics?
But he said it was a 'jury' reviewed article... They bypassed their peers and went straight to the courts!
What is funny is that there was a 1999 paper in the same journal that "solved" the 1994 paper which was called "fatally defective, and that their result merely reflects on the choices made in designing their experiment and collecting the data for it."
John 3:16: "Paul is Dead". LOL!
Is that the apostle Paul or Paul McCartney?
@@anonymousjohnson976 They are the same, aren't they? LOL
brandon -- uses literally the definition of fallacy of personal incredulity.....
it always amazes me how people can use the bible code to come up wiht names and such.. when if it's going to work, it would have to be in the original hebrew... and they don't realize hebrew HAS NO VOWELS.....so "bugs bunny" would show up as "bgbnn" if could just as easily be big benn, bag bonn, bog binn, beg bann,,,,,
as far as denial , if appologist have gotten one thing exactly right, is how to deny contradictory facts
What a fallacy ! Actually, it's drowning that causes eating ice cream.
I thought the Bible code was fringe nonsense but Matt Slick was arguing it last night and some people in the chat were impressed....
It is fringe nonsense. It came from old Judaic Cabala crap and Islam stuff. It works in a whole lot of random books, actually. Because that is kind of how patterns work.
Matt Slick is fringe nonsense.
Royal statistical society, Statistical Science Vol 14, solving the bible code pgs 150-173. Its the refutation in the same journal and published in 1999
LOL Brandon should become a comedian because every stupid thing he says is comedy gold!!
“Brandon...thank you.”
That’s beautiful.
Is there a "Book of Eric" code?
I liked Brandon's notifications going off. Someone was trying to get him to stop the call lol
Two shrimps, Chris and Dave, we're best mates. One day Dave told Chris he didn't want to be a shrimp any more. He goes to see the sea witch and gets turned into a shark. After two days he misses his friend, so gets turned back.
He rushes to see his best mate, but Chris is scared Dave will eat him. Dave says "I'm a prawn again Christian. 😁
Funny that in Volume 14 (1999) of the same journal (Statistical Science), they published a rebuttal of the original article, showing that the original research was "fatally defective"
I’ll have to relisten to this later. I’ve had Christian students on my Campus present this argument to me. But they called it something other than code, so I forgot what it was. Now I found it and now I know, yay!
I'm gonna do this with my copy of the book of Eric, and see what I get lol.
Does anyone want to make a bet that the Royal Statistical Society put that Bible Code thing out there as an April Fools joke?
How are they finding some code using English letters when the language didn't exist when the books were written?
Most likely saying that their god is so great he makes the arrangements needed exactly for the translated text to show the secret messages eons before the creation of earth, mankind, languages, and writing implements. It's not remotely hard to justify anything when you have "omnipotence," "magic," "mysterious ways," or "shut up and don't question otherwise you'll regret it right after you die" in your repertoire.
Pathetic, are they not?
Magic
🙃 Ya know, I think god put the code in there, latent, waiting, needing to be translated however many times, just so Brandon from Arizona could call Talk Heathen about it. All in order to convert them using their own atheist science! How could they possibly argue with the ROYAL statistical society? I mean, 1 in 50 quadrillion!! 😆😂🤣 ... Hmm 😕 Poor guy. You can lead a horse to water, indeed. 😔
Twiggie Leon
But wouldn’t an omnipotent god actually be able to do that?
I love this caller, the caller that has no idea what statistics actually is "The highest level of math" -- and what do you know about the topic?
Brandon Irish , are you the same idiot that phoned in the show? Lmfao
Brandon Irish , ok stupid, time for an education. There are 3,116,480 letters in the bible, by using the idiots bible code which takes every 7th letter it leaves you a string of approximately 445,000 random letters, out of all those random numbers you will coincidently find things that seem to show some profound hidden message, when it’s not. It’s a numbers game, that’s why Moby Dick is just as predictive as the bible is, and why a book like War and Peace would provide even more than that. For someone who claims to have such a high level of mathematics, you’ve clearly proven that you don’t even understand the basics. You’re an idiot, please learn to use your brain.
@@bbbirish74 - The main difference between a bull, shitting, and a bullshitter who uses shit as a tool (and usually also eats shit) . . .
Brandon Irish , it using the same bullshit method, all it does is create a way to create a different random list of letters and the effect is the same,, with enough random letters it’s inevitable for someone to find something in there that seems relevant to them. You still don’t get it, you’re still not listening, you’re still not thinking. You’re being willfully ignorant, or you’re just really really stupid.
Brandon Irish , are you going to phone again in next week and argue this same debunked method Brandon?
He is going in circles, who can know anything about the actual direction he is going.
The prime consolation is that you showed him where the water was.
That was hilarious hahaha
Most times these Bible code use some version of Hebrew text which did not have vowels. Now imagine you are playing Boggle/Word Search on a grid of random consonants that is 1000x1000 large. How many words/phrases can you find in rows, columns, and diagonals that "mean something" when you insert the vowels of your choice? The fun thing about Bible Codes and computers these days, is you can keep resizing your grid and keep finding new "astonishing" sequences that "can't be explained".
Melville 5:12 - "I hate whales". LOL!
Vi hit it. If every version of the bible came up with the same message using any algorithm, then it would be interesting.
18:40 doesn't matter who the "they" is, Brandon, if they're replicating the experiment.
Can someone post a link to the paper this guy kept talking about. Thanks.
6:17 "Statistical math is the highest form of math that we know of."
What does that mean?
What is "highest form" refering to?
It's not a mathematical branch that have high precision, statistical anomalies are usual.
It's not highly advanced calculations, it's basal calculations.
It's not cutting edge mathematic that lead to amazing new understanding of the world.
I don't in any way mean to take a piss on neither statiscic nor Brandon, I simply have no clue how, when or where statistic is the highest form of mathematics.
In an insurance company, maybe, because it's the most useful form of math there, rivaled only by accountancy.
Brandon's is the highest form of bullshit known to people that inhabit his mind.
It means it makes the hairs on the back of his neck stand up, apparently.
Does anyone have the article that the caller is referring to? I would absolutely love to read it, especially the stuff that the caller left out.
I'm surprised no one asked what version of the Bible was run through the program? Was it in Aramaic, Hebrew, Koine Greek, Middle English, Modern English, etc?
The Royal Statistical Society does not appear to publish a journal or magazine called Statistical Science. Their magazine Significance only appears to have the last three or four years available online. So, not sure where Brandon got his info. The intro to the magazine does say they "challenge myths", so it may be they've done an article on letter sequencing. Brandon's quote that the article deduced that it "could not be attributed to anything in the known universe" sounds implausible. If you're out there Brandon, post the link to this article in a reply to me.
The so-called Bible Code can be applied to any body of text and patterns will emerge. This is a function of language, not any sort of innate encoded message.
I don't think he ever acknowledged that his Bible code also worked with Moby Dick.
If god is unhappy with our unbelief, he should give us some evidence that he exists.
He thought we would be stumped by this?
The only thing that stumps us, is how he could think the Bible code is evidence.
If I keep one eye closed and jump up and down while looking at The Cat in the Hat book cover upside down, it kind of looks like his hat is a worm that is trying to eat both ends of the book and failing miserably to do so.
So he starts off with a "No true Scotsman" fallacy, and it just rolled downhill from there. It floored me when he said that yahweh, the hebrew god of slavery and conquest rape that can't forgive without bloodshed and suffering, is loving.
What languages did they use?
Nobody over 40 should be named Brandon
will you get the same results from every version of the bible ?
Hell no!
THAT would be a MUCH better sign of divinity or magic or something statistically awesome! 😀
You can get the same results from any book you like.
I was just reading the stains in my shorts and divined that "God is a righteous God", or maybe it was "ridiculous". It's an art, not a science.
Oh please. The Bible code has been debunked over and over. All they had to do is change the size of the book and the "code" was reduced to rubbish.
JarottM
What do you mean the size of the book?
I believe that when the bible code thing was first discovered it was very impressive. That feeling probably last several days until other people realized that it was just an amusing trick. Brandon clearly didn't bother to read any of the follow-ups. Poor deluded guy.
I read the article from the Royal Statistical society.
1. It did not make it to pear review due to bad practices.
2. The Royal Statistical society dose not back up the findings.
3 one of the original “researchers” has Distanced him self from finding and the whole project.
Brandon: 'This code thing came out of smart people like you, atheist'
Brandon has confused me beyond…well…pretty much anything. I’ll stick with my atheism 😊
The vocab in the Bible is pretty simple, so if you are going to find patterns in any book it’d be that. I bet the Hungry Caterpillar has some divine code hidden in it too.
How did this caller manage to survive this long? I wouldn't ask him if he knew how to breathe.
Damnit, now I am a white whalist, thanks Eric! why did you have to point out the Moby Dick code? Now I am a true believer and Ishmael is my messiah.
If you take 100 Brandons and give them typewriters with random keys they will eventually type out "Brandon is a fucking idiot". He is clearly an elegant example of how 'faith' (a piss poor substitute for thinking) and 'religion' are so effective in turning human minds into dogshit.
Was the letter count made in English? Or in the language it was written in? Or did God tuck the code in KJV only?
is talk heathen selling those posters
Just believe.
We're still alive and kicken
Three minutes in and we already have an argument from ignorance and a no true Scotsman fallacy.
Three minutes into any Christian apologetics will yield basically the same thing.
1 in 50 quadrillion? Yeah, right Brandon. This is a great example of an argument from authority. Theists do this to sound important and to sneak their God in. This is one of many tricks that theists use. It is getting old and nobody should believe it anymore.
"Moses had no idea what he was writing." You heard it here first, folks.
Astro Sci Sweeping statement
Kenneth Bachman Jesus lived in my book.
Kenneth Bachman No. Not the same.
Kenneth Bachman Prove what. That you’ve read Harry Potter books. I have not
Kenneth Bachman I’m not a so called Christian and I have never read the bible like I think you have my friend.
Goodnight from the UK
The Bible is no more magical than Moby Dick ? yes I agree
A simple google search would show that statistical science published a thorough rebuttal to the 1994 article in 1999 stated the original paper was fatally defective.
"you know" is always the lead.
😉 It's like a tic, abbreviated into something like y'no. I wish I had dollar for every time he says it.
I thought calculus or physics were the "highest forms of math."
Statistics seems much more remedial by comparison.
Physics are not math, physics uses math but are not it
@@fernandotorrero779 - Are not statistics simply a discipline that uses math as well, to interpret data?
Much like H Ron Wyatt's Noah's Ark is on top of mount ararat in Turkey claims from the 70s, it always astounds me when these Bible Code claims from the 90s are still out there floating around and taken credibly by these people. This guy saw that show on the History Channel in like 94 and has never let it go.
Which bible did they use??
When someone says they are using bible code, the first question to ask is this: which bible was examined and why? They are different. You have to justify why a certain one IN ENGLISH were examined.
I grew up in a Christian home and have complaints with what I say as immoral stance and attitudes of Christians. I have been given the no true Scotsman fallacy thousands of times.
That doesn't really work for the bible in other languages, does it?
Luke, John, Numbers, Exodus, and Herman (Melville). Sounds legit to me!
This man clearly didn't hear for "The catcher in the rye".
I'm, sorry but I need citation on the "mathematician" that "validate" the bible code
Part of the problem with this Bible Code nonsense is that if there really WERE a hidden code built into the letters and spacing and so on by some divine agent, it would surely only TRULY be in the ORIGINAL manuscripts.
Which we don't have.
The versions of the texts that people are applying these Bible code methods to, were finalized after the work of scholars over time.
From the Wiki "The precise order of consonantal letters represented in the Hebrew Masoretic Text was only finalized in its current form in the first century, largely through the energies of Rabbi Akiva. However, it is known from earlier versions, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, that the number of letters was not constant before this."
They didn't have punctuation back then either.
@@anonymousjohnson976 Meaning?
@@Fluffykeith : Meaning that since punctuation was not invented yet, the text would be very difficult to decipher. For instance: "godisnowhere". Is it "god is now here or god is nowhere." Or, "Letseatmom". Is it "Lets eat mom" or "Let's eat, mom."
I've heard about that story, about running the Genesis through that so called 'computer'. Supposedly it only works in an original story, if you use the King James Version & only in English language, because English is the "perfect language". That's when you get "positive results". I ignored that story as so much B.S.
Sounds like Brandon has "A Beautiful Mind". Also, how the heck would he know that ALL those dudes are atheists, agnostics.... Just as I typed that, you asked it! PROPHECY! YES!! 😃
Which prophecy do you think most makes any sense?
Why are the books of religions so poorly written? To appeal to gullible persons?
The modern ones, e.g. Dianetics or the Book of Mormon, were written for the gullible, but the ancients ones were simply written by ignorant barbarians.
Hey!
Brandon... votes.
Brandon’s god sounds metal as fuck
Take every third letter of the Buybull, divide it by Wednesday, season it with a flourish of dog feces, and voila, The Dummies Guide to the BuyBull.
with the bible code taking some random here and there I can spell "This book is nonsense and you should stop taking it as truth!"
All I can say to you is that as a reborn Christian I was in a dark place after some years after being saved. On a specific day I cried to the Lord and complained with Him and argued and battled with Him and my mind was moving in the direction of atheism because I argued that no matter how hard I pray or read the Bible its like its all just blank, no feedback, ever...THEN......something happened where the Lord spoke to me on that day I was most disponded. The way it happened is a way that no atheistic logic can explain....and Jesus spoke to me. I understand that not everyone has this experience but what I can tell you is that if you think Jesus is not listening and the silence is sometimes deafening and that translate to there is no God then you going to get one heck of a surprise one day. Basically what I realized then is that God can jump up and down before you and entertain you so that you can constantly think there is a God, but He does not. God has a special pleasure in faith, yes, there is the secret. You cannot please God without faith. These 2 host has no faith in the God that revealed Himself to me, what a pity. For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Oh just shut the fuck up you incoherent, ignorant, uneducated Christtard!
They have medication for that.
They have medication for that.
Something outside our universe? Sounds like Galactus. All heil Galan, creator of the universe!
Don't forget Norin Radd, herald of Galactus. Also known as the Silver Surfer.
I got interested enough to read the original paper. The arguments are rather more subtle than the discussion suggested and, IF the parameters were all chosen before the letter sequence was extracted and analysed then the results are highly unlikely to be by chance.
On the other hand, there are a lot of parameters to set. I could turn my previous comment round and state that the results are highly improbable if the parameters were set before the extract happened. If the parameters were tweaked at all after the event, the result is less surprising.