Mary is a "Mediatrix" - and what that means w/ Tim Staples
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What is a "mediatrix," and why to Catholics say that Mary is a mediatrix? Watch as Catholic Answers' apologist Tim Staples explains what this means.
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Thanks for clearing this up! I was one of those Catholics that was confused about the term.
One of the better explanations I've heard.
Mary is my Co-Redemptrix dispenser of All graces, as she is the queen of heaven. Catholics are fortunate to have this blessing.
I'd love to hear about Mary as Mediatrix.
He primarily stayed on the topic of co-redemptrix but did not focus on mediatrix which is the title/role I have questions about.
“We are scaring Protestants”
No. We are deeply concerned for you.
No reason to be concerned for us, bro. We are fine.
I have never seen a Prot deeply concerned for Catholics. I usually see rage, sarcasm and superiority.
Matt, please INTERVIEW JIM CAVIEZEL, the actor who played Jesus in Mel Gibson's "Passion."
I'd love to get to know his personality.
EDIT: Also, he doesn't get enough publicity, and the few interviews I have seen show a solid Catholic.
Yeah that would be cool
Yeah Jim caviezel is the real deal! I love that man.
Jim has a speaking ministry. The videos of his talks are easy to find on UA-cam! One video tells of why Hollywood has dumped Jim Caviezel, but the reverse is true. Jim is focusing on his Faith journey now, not interested in pleasing Hollywood, but in pleasing God!
David Rodríguez ua-cam.com/video/Gq9reKWDdXo/v-deo.html
Thanks for the link, but I've already seen this talk.
Are more talks online?
And he poured her out upon all his works, and upon all flesh according to his gift, and hath given her to them that love him.
I thought this video was going to be on "Mediatrix of All Graces" but for most of the video they talk about "Coredemptrix". Are these titles interchangeable? Two ways of saying the same thing?
i think Mediatrix is possibly acceptable but co-Redemptrix is outright heretical. Christ alone is the Redeemer, that has been dogmatically defined. his Holy Mother never participated in the Redemption. she needed Him to be redeemed, like the rest of us
@Jesse Oliver i realized later (after watching it) he wasn't endorsing it explicitly (hence the quesrion mark in the title) but the 'co-' is problematic.
if we're all co-redeemers, then i need an ecumenical council to enshrine my name as well. sorry to be facetious, but i am worried the catholic laity and schismatic groups like CMRI are clamoring for a new dogmatic definition that may be theologically wrong. Our faith and prayer should be that the Holy Spirit continues to guide us as it always has
@Jesse Oliver I believe I heard a breakaway priest say that "she participated in the redemption", and yet pretty much all the prior Popes have said that Christ *alone is responsible for our redemption (multiple encyclicals), so how can anyone participate in our Redemption besides the glorious Redeemer, 'Christ alone'?
@Jesse Oliver thank you for the explanation. it makes sense in the context of other Marian dogmas, i was just put off by some of the people who i heard promoting this. they had their own agendas, and i was very skeptical where they were going. but in itself, it could be an expression of a virtuous truth. she was at the Cross, and she is the mother of Mercy. that was her part in Salvation.
@@irreview It's having been proposed, the definition "Co-Redemptrix" has been resisted by our recent popes not because it's heretical but because it introduces more confusion than it clears up, as your comment indicates and as Mr. Staples explains. Mary was peculiarly a partner in Christ's redemptive passion, not in a necessary way as though the redemption would not be all it should be without her, but as a uniquely close companion with Him, as only a mother or wife (but Jesus doesn't have His wife, yet) could be.
Consider, for instance, how St. Paul describes his own sufferings as filling up what is lacking in Christ's sufferings for the salvation of the world. Now, no one thinks Christ's suffering was in any way insufficient, on its own, for the salvation of all mankind, nor does any one think Paul thought that. In a hyperbolic way, Paul is explaining how a Christian's sufferings, united to Christ's, can be meritorious and add to the merits earned by Christ on the cross. In that way, Paul and all the saints are partners with Christ in His redeeming work. The title of Co-Redemptrix would mean something like Mary's being pre-eminently a partner with her Son, in that way, in the redemption of humanity.
Sorry that I thought , acted, or said any bad towards you Matt and Tim
I’m still investigating Catholicism. I find “Queen of the Universe” to be a stumbling block too. I know the Catholic argument for it is that you’d call a king’s mother the “Queen Mother.” I find that I could tolerate the actual term queen mother but “queen of the universe” implies she’s married to God.
She is the Spouse of the Holy Ghost.
@@joshi_angelothat’s so wrong, where in the bible dose it say that.
So do you deny that Jesus is King of the Universe?
Where in the bible does it say that all Christian doctrine must be in the bible? @@samuelshellabarger3798 No Protestant anywhere has any authority to interpret even one word of scripture.
In ancient Israel, the mother of the king was the queen. Since Mary is the the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is King of the Universe, it makes sense that She would be Queen of the Universe. I will be praying for you as you continue to investigate the One True Church
"Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need” (Hebrews 4:15-16). Christians are told to approach the throne of grace for help, not to ask Mary to acquire it for us from God.
Wonder why they didn't reply to this comment
What is the difference between prayer and worship? Is it not a fine line that we Catholics appear to be crossing?
Worship is adoration of God alone, to acknowledge our complete dependance on Him as Creator and Redeemer.
We worship God in the Blessed Sacrament.
Prayer, in it's original meaning is to ask, beseech, implore, request, petition, beg, entreat, but the definition of the word has changed with time, as has much of our language.
But, we are usually asking God for something, hence the term "pray"
Catholics pray to Our Lady, saints and angels to ask them to pray to God on our behalf; to intercede, mediate.
Catholics do not worship or adore Our Lady, saints or angels.
@@alhilford2345 But that is my point we seem to be worshipping Mary in practice while claiming not to in Theory. There are so mmm ant movements and devotions to the Virgin Mary that are centered on adoration. You said God is our redeemer but in this very video the Virgin Mary is being given the title of Co Redeemer?
Worship is making sacrifices to someone. That’s for the trinity only
@@hopefull61256 Catholics are not worshipping Mary at all. Veneration is different from the worship given to God alone.
I watched this interview from the beginning. I learnt a lot. However you lost me from 7:40 onwards.
1Cor3; 2Cor1; and Col1 all establish that Christians suffer for each other and have a share in Christ's Passion, and cooperate with Him.
But if it is true of everyone, then why make some proclamation that a specific saint is a co-redeemer?
I should take a shot for every time a Catholic subtlety and sneakily suggests that Protestants aren’t saved.
Big chungus
Theotokos was declared in Ephesus in 431 CE. It was intended to be an elaboration on the essence of Christ in the wake of Arianism. The declaration was also made in the shadow of the massive temple of Artemis, a female deity that dominated life in Asia Minor at the time. The discussion of Christ quickly evolved into a doctrinal statement about Mary and her essence. As time passed, the cult of Mary rose and fell based on the popes’ varying proclivities. These are facts, and they are added to the reality that Mary is barely mentioned in the New Testament epistles. Even John, who scripture and tradition tells us was charged with her care after the resurrection, doesn’t mention her in his three letters. Why? A please answer that specific question.
St. James says “Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and ONE CONVERT HIM; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way SHALL SAVE a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.”
James 5:19-20
Well Mary can perfectly do this. She points to the truth, Christ, and so she can save us. AS ANY OF YOU CAN IF OBEDIENT TO THE WILL OF GOD, as our Blessed Mother did perfectly.
As a creature she was FILLED OF GRACE, and she Magnifies our Lord!! Kaire, Kecharitomene!!
Only the blood of Christ points us to the truth (not Mary).
Ryan Otten So then James said something you don’t agree with? How about Mary pointing to Christ in Scripture? John 2:5
“His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.”
And Christ DID RECEIVE HIS FLESH AND BLOOD FROM HIS MOTHER. So you did not make sense.
@@ryanotten3587 I agreed with you right up until that pesky parenthesis where you revealed your ugly motivation.
Here's a thought exercise for you:
Where did Christ get His blood?
Do you suppose He shared His mother's blood type?
Mary always points us to Christ the King. That's why she holds the venerated title Destroyer of All Heresies
@@JesusmySalvation you're a false prophet. Lol
Jesus my Salvation You are a fool with your “holier than thou “ attitude and thinking you can judge us!! But as you judge us you WILL BE JUDGED!! Only God can judge!!! Be careful with your “religious” fanatism and fundamentalist ideas. God bless!!
A new Marian Dogma declaring Mary as Co-Redeemer, or Co-Redemtrix will irreparably harm the Church and can only cause more division and ensure that there will never by unity between the Roman Church, the Orthodox, the Lutherans and the rest of Christianity. Don't we think Mary has been elevated enough? She is the Queen of heaven and is considered the dispenser of all graces.
The following are not even half of her titles.
Immaculate Conception
• Immaculate Mary• Immaculate Mother
• Lady Most Venerable
• Lady of Mercy• Lady of Victory• Living Temple of the Deity• Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces• Mary, Queen of Angels• Mary, Queen of Peace• Mary, Star of the Sea• Mater Dei• Morning Star• Mother of Divine Grace• Mother of God• Mother of Our Creator• Lady of Victory• Living temple of the Deity• Mary, Mediatrix of All Graces• Mary, Queen of Angels• Spouse Of The Holy Spirit• Gateway Of Heaven.• Queen Of Heaven • Dispenser Of All Grace• Temple Of The Lord. Enough now don't you think.
The way things are going it won't be long before she will be declared fourth member of the God Head. This Marian snowball has been rolling along gathering more "glory" ever since Vatican I, fed by the alleged apparitions of Fatima and Medjugorje, etc. and have been given almost the same credibility and acceptance as scripture in the minds of many clergy and lay people thus giving growing "legitimacy" to the heretical idea of Mary as Co-Redeemer.
Private revelations and "tradition" have gotten way out of hand. I have been Catholic all my life, 74 years, and I am having a difficult time because of all this "Marian tradition" that is being thrust upon us. I never was comfortable praying the rosary. Every time we turn around there are new Marian feast days, new Marian devotions novenas and prayers being promoted by Catholic apologists and clergy, that we are expected to embrace, adding to the burden of Catholic guilt if we don't have the inclination to pray rosaries or make novenas. "If you don't pray the rosary you are not on the team."
I pray every day, and participate in the live online mass almost daily and I do ask Mary and the saint's to pray for us, but I prefer to direct my prayers mostly to God The Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I guess I am a Catholic protestant, I give more credence and attention to what scripture says than I do to popular piety and private revelation and apparitions.
I have been barely hanging on through all the scandals and now dealing with this Marian exaggeration. All we hear these days from Catholic apologists is Mary, Mary, Mary..... enough for God's sake.
These type of things are why Luther posted his 95 thesis
@@kilemyers784 Hi brother...thanks for the reply. As a Roman Catholic I do find that being so, it is often difficult or impossible to accept all the new teaching since the council of Trent.
There is a Lutheran Mariology developed out of the deep Christian Marian devotion on which Luther was reared, he did hold Mary in high esteem as most Lutherans do hold Mary in high esteem, as do Lutherans today teaching the dogmas of the Theotokos and the Virgin Birth. Luther dogmatically asserted what he considered firmly established biblical doctrines such as the divine motherhood of Mary while adhering to pious opinions of the Immaculate Conception and the perpetual virginity of Mary, but along with the caveat that all doctrine and piety should exalt and not diminish the person and work of Jesus Christ. He was definitely opposed to to regarding Mary as a mediatrix of intercession or redemption. and was also opposed to the belief that the merits of the saints could be added to those of Jesus Christ to save humanity. And I tend to agree with him.....we are only saved through the merits of Jesus on the cross. I do however believe that those in heaven are praying for us here on earth.
@@cheechak481 Yes I think the doctrine of Mary as co redemtrix comes from a place of piety and has good intentions but it just gives way too much glory to Mary and almost makes it seem like Christ needed Mary to save anyone. It's dangerous ground. Its how we got cults like Collyridianism
@@kilemyers784 Thanks bro....as a Catholic I was always uncomfortable with the emphasis on Mary.
so, if marry being coredemptrix is obvious and already a catholic theology and she's not unique in that, why define it and confuse people?
How about a joke. Nancy Pelosi was going campaigning in a Missouri County one weekend. She decided to attend a local Cathedral where the Bishop was offering the Sacrifice of the Mass. Her campaign manager approached the Bishop and said, "Madam Pelosi will be attending Mass at your Cathedral, Bishop. If your Excellency wouldn't mind giving her a shout out and praising her policies and calling her a Saint we would greatly appreciate it." The Bishop responded, "Absolutely not! None of what you just said is true." The Manager replied, "Your Excellency, if you tell your congregation that Madam Pelosi is a Saint. Our campaign will give you $500,000." The Bishop agreed. As the Mass went on, the Gloria, the Penitential Act, the First Reading, the Psalm, the Second reading, and the Gospel, the Bishop got onto the pulpit, and began to preach. He said, "As most of you are aware this Sunday Morning we are joined by, Nancy Pelosi. For those of you who are unaware, Madam Pelosi is also one of the worst examples of a Catholic Christian. She has repeatedly professed that she is in favor of abortion, homosexuality, and many other policies at odds with her supposed Catholic faith. Not only that but she had failed to enact policies that she has professed to believe in, making her not only a heretic, but even disloyal to the Political party that she affirms and is thereby a traitor and liar. Nancy Pelosi is in actuality a terrible human being, but compared to Hillary Clinton she is a Saint!"
Nancy pelosi is a blasphemous and heretic.
@Qwerty
Canon 398 of Canon Law that says that whoever procures abortion incurs automatic excommunication. The person who performs the abortion has a severe penalty because he is threatening a life.
God Bless you all
@@JesusmySalvation Obama is Protestant. Also, maybe you should try to proofread your comments. God bless you, have a nice day.
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim 2.5 I am a Catholic, but utterly reject this 'co-redemptrix'/mediatrix title for the Mother of God.
I'm protestant but earnestly trying to understand where some of these catholic beliefs derive. The only references I can find are that of Jesus as mediator, but nothing about Mary.
@@chrisknoblock Catholics don’t need every doctrine that they hold to to be explicitly taught in Scripture. The doctrine of the Trinity is not explicitly taught in Scripture.
Great! That verse proves nothing.
@@gch8810 I think where doctrine and the Bible are in conflict, the Bible must be relied upon. I don't understand the comparison, many passages describe God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Their relationship, their deity, and the fact that there is one God. I have not found anything supporting Mary as mediator. To the contrary, we see the explicit statement in Timothy that Jesus is the one mediator. If you have something to help support Mary in that role I would be interested to read on it and learn more about it.
1:50 babtism is a way through the womb of Mary? Never heard that before.
Get lost you troll. You have scales on your eyes. Jesus loves his mother and so should you.
@@JesusmySalvation I agree with you but you should put it a bit gently and give evidence from the bible, By saying it the way you did someone will call you crazy
Support your answer with so many bible verses that make your point. Like Jesus is the way the truth and the light, Mary to looked up to Jesus as God, No one comes to the father but through Jesus
@@JesusmySalvation according to... you? I think I will go with the tradition of the Christian people, who have always adored our lady and recognized her unique role in salvation history. I warn you today, you are the one in error.
Jesus my Salvation The problem with your comments is that you have no authority. Protestants argue that the church has no authority but without the authority of the church and its tradition you become your own authority. The Catholic Church has always been the one true church. Martin Luther caused the great division in the 1500s.
@Broruben Mont what role? Haha. She bore Christ. He got his flesh from her. So that’s one thing. She was the ark of the new covenant. She assented to Christ being born in her womb. Also, Catholics believe Mary needed a savior. We believe she was saved from sinning. It’s fitting, since she conceived him in her womb.
I may or may not do a response to this video. This demonstrates the problems many of us not under the Papacy have with the Papal Communion.
How when the Pope never approved this proposal?
John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Why not call all saints co-redemptrix?
One of the greatest proofs to sects who don't believe in the divinity of Christ is that the Sacred Scriptures said that God is the only Savior... but Jesus was called Savior. We bring people to Jesus to be saved, but the only Savior is God.
"When you miss it on Mary, you miss it on seeing who God is and who Jesus is."
Too far
Can we agree that the big picture is God's redemptive plan (the Gospel) for a sinful humanity? If so, how does Marian dogma fit into that grand scheme? It matters not what the counsels or the Patriarchs promoted if those dogmas obscure the Gospel. That is the central issue.
Marian dogma clarifies Who Christ is, generally. She has a unique relation with Christ our Lord that no one else has i.e. His Mother and we can see Him uniquely through that relationship.
This is why the Church Fathers and Councils would take up these issues.
Jesus's death on the cross redeems the sins of all mankind that was wrought by Adam.
But, while Adam was responsible for the fall, he had Eve as co-condemned. Just so (and notice the perfect symmetry of God's salvific plan), Christ is responsible for our redemption, and He has the Blessed Virgin as co-redeemer.
"Woman, what is that to me and to thee? My hour has not yet come"
You're right. She's the Mother of Jesus (Teotokos) and we received Jesus through Mary. Furthermore, according to Jewish law, the Mother of the King is the Queen (but below, not equal to the King) so she deserves respect. We can praise and imitate her for accepting the Will of God unconditionally, and we can ask her to intercede for us TO JESUS, etc.
This does not obscure the Gospel, is part of the Gospel.
To sum up, Mary points to Jesus! She's the first servant and closest of all the creatures to Christ, and that's what makes her special and worthy of veneration (not adoration).
@@GustavoAndresHerrera Thank you for a thoughtful reply. I'm sure that all Catholic apologists would concede that there exists an impassable ontological chasm between Deity and humanity. If that is so then the words we use to describe that distance should be clear and unambiguous. To those uninformed by Catholic teaching it appears that Mary occupies a space between God and humanity. I'm only arguing for more careful language so that God's nature is not lessened or compromised.
They don’t obscure the gospel by a long shot.
0:13 Hahahahaha so true
Not just them, us to
It’s called incrementalism.
We were not redeemed with corruptable things, but with the precious blood of Jesus only, nothing less, scripture says there is one redeemer, He redeemed with blood, not marrys works, not our works and co-laboring, but with His works.
Matt, I have a sincere question. Why is there so much emphasis on Mary? Does this not detract glory from Christ? I think this is what many protestants are concerned about. I am enjoying your videos.
Mary is not the Co-Redeemer. ua-cam.com/video/6ElRD83_3jw/v-deo.html
Mary with her compassion at the Wedding at Cana is what drove Jesus perhaps to start His ministry. Mary at the foot of the Cross with her watchful loving presence. Mary is a quiet constant in the life of Jesus.
@@kyrieeleison1905 Please watch the video, Mary is not the Co-Redeemer. ua-cam.com/video/6ElRD83_3jw/v-deo.html
Not only does it not detract from the honor and glory we offer to Christ, it Magnifies it! As in: "My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my savior" (Lk 1:46).
Mary teaches us how to pray and worship her Son
@@JesusmySalvationstop doing the divisive works of the devil.
I offer this to you for the sake of your immortal soul:
Matthew 7:21-23 (D-R): Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
We are co-laborers yes but not co-redeemers....only Jesus can redeem. The example of saying because of Paul people came to Christ does not give him special powers. I came to Christ because my dad showing me but that does not mean my dad is on par with Christ as diety. You also then say no one is equal to Jesus which is correct but then you turn around and say we miss it on Mary and what she's done for us...no, that is misleading. Mary needed Jesus just like you and me. I understand the Catholic vs. Protestant differences and I love so much of what we have in common but the differences are so deep and wide.
Well if not equal maybe the language needs to change... because a co mediatrix imply that she undertakes with Jesus in the redemption plan..
She does not, She is a Holy woman that God called to be a vessel through which the redeemer comes into the world as a man.. as an exmuslim, this language is sending many people to hell!
To say without Mary you wouldn’t be a Christian? Is The spirit from The Father or From Mary? Is it Jesus who saves or is it Mary?
God says my council shall stand and I will do all my pleasure.. regardless of a yes or no from any human being!
Is the redemption by Jesus of Mary?
Jesus alone finished The work.. and said It is Finished.. can’t help someone if it’s finished..
I love Mary , she is the mother of my lord.. But she cannot intercede for anyone..
With Love
So, you regard Mary as a "vessel" , through which comes the Saviour?
Do you feel the same way about your own mother?
Was she simply a vessel that your father used in order to produce you?
I agree with you my Sister. Mary certainly is Blessed among women. We Protestants probably think too little of her at times. But Redemption and Salvation is in Christ Alone. By no other name will I be saved. I have direct access to the Father through Christ. I am a Priest through Christ. I wish my Catholic Brothers and Sisters would actually read the OT and NT...the entire thing. Then ask themselves how does what I am taught fit into what is the Word of God. Not the other way round.
Al Hilford
We are all vessels of God. The porter (God )may use us as he sees fit.
I regard my mother as a vessel through which I came into this world.. yes. I do.. I was in her body for 9months. What do you call a thing that carries a human surrounded by water?
So by saying co-redemptrix or co-redeemers, you describe redemption as a two person process. Christ offering it to us alone won't redeem us, but we have to play our part and RESPOND and ACCEPT that redemption. Is that basically what you're saying? Because that makes sense to me and I think would clear up a lot of confusion.
Also, as co-redeemers, we're not doing the redeeming, but we're bringing people to Christ to do the redeeming. So after Mary's fiat, she wasn't doing the redeeming, but she was allowing Christ to do it. Is that also what you're saying?
Pope Francis called the title “Co redemtrix” ridiculous
“You cannot entre the baptismal waters until you have gone through the womb of Mary” I’M SORRY WHAT 😂😂 no no no you don’t just go “I’m sorry that’s how it is” and move on from that...BEING BORN AGAIN doesn’t mean you gotta take it up with Jesus’s mom, you take it from HIM
Mary isn’t queen of the universe
If Mary is Jesus's mom and Jesus calls us to be co-heirs in the Kingdom with Him. Doesn't that make her our mother?
@@ZanethMedia Mary is Queen of heaven and earth, of angels and men. That's why she appears in the throne room of heaven in Rev 12 with a crown of 12 stars about her head and clothed with the sun
Jesus had to be born first (ie, be in Mary's womb first) before He could die for our sins. so, our salvation went/goes *through* Mary!
@@elizabetharr8551 He also, had to die on the cross - wondering if you would like to do the same. Probably not.
2:55 co laborers with Christ . Well yes that is true as we who are believers are to be advancing the gospel ,thus we are co laborer's with Christ . However when I die I am no longer on the earth co laboring with Christ . Mary is alive in the heavenly realm with all believers who have passed on, but there is no teaching in scripture that supports Mary being co-redemptrix. Tim refers to a council that makes a decision and somehow they bypass scripture / God's written word to us , and call a mortal to be a co -redemptrix? Mary is the most blessed woman on earth and the mother of Jesus her firstborn . Try to find any reference to all the attributes of Mary that the roman church puts on her , and find it in God's written word? Tim is well versed in what the roman Catholic church teaches . I look to scripture and Tim bypasses scripture with what the roman church teaches. Shall we rewrite John 14:6 to get Mary involved?
Jesus Christ wants us to bring the whole world into captivity to the truth, and the truth is Jesus himself, who is “the way, and the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). Spreading the faith is a task not only for bishops, priests, and religious-it is a task for all Catholics (CCC 905).
What was Jesus's Way?
The Annunciation Luke 1:26-38; John 1:14
The Visitation Luke 1:39-56
The Nativity Luke 2:6-20; Matthew 1:18-25
So Mary was involved.
Matthew 23:12
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Sounds like you're bypassing Scripture.
The Catholic Church was commissioned by Christ to teach all nations and to teach them infallibly-guided, as He promised, by the Holy Spirit until the end of the world (see John 14:25, 16:13). The mere fact that the Church teaches that something definitely true is a guarantee that it is true (see Luke 10:16).
it is heresy to tell mary is co redemtrix,jesus alone is the saviour,we can say she played important part in it,she is the new eve,but mary is not the saviour only jesus is.
I'm sorry but this man is very adept at twisting words: co-laborer is not equal to co-redeemer. Only G-d can forgive sin. If Mary can forgive sins and redeem our souls, what need have we of Jesus? I believe Mary, like Paul, would NEVER want us praying to her. If you want to pass a message to anyone in heaven, including Mary, I promise you can do it through Jesus, the Mediator. And think how much more weight it would carry if Jesus asked Mary to pray on your behalf? Ask for all things in Jesus name, brothers and sisters. To Mr. Staples, please stop twisting language and deceiving people.
Hi David, don't worry... Catholics DO NOT believe Mary can forgive sins or redeem us. That's NOT what this teaching means.
We just acknowledge that we got Jesus through Mary (literally, physically) and therefore she's the Mother of God (that's what Teotokos means in greek).
The same way I can ask you to pray for me, we Catholics believe that we can ask the same to the saints in Heaven (since we believe in a God of the living, not the dead, they are alive and can pray for us). That includes Mary and the Saints.
And since she's the Mother of the King, according to Jewish Law she's the Queen (below the King, not equal) of Heaven and Earth. But she's NOT GOD, and we do not Worship her.
And Christians have believed that through the centuries since the beginning, including Luther himself! (yes, Martin Luther).
I know you will probably still disagree, and that's fine. But please, don't say we Worship Mary or anything like that because that's not true.
God bless you.
@@GustavoAndresHerrera All due respect, remdemptrix is the the feminine form of redeemer. That is a fact. Why does the RCC use a word like that unless they mean that Mary has salvific power? Here is what Pope John Paul says about the RCC's justification of the term: "The Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Savior, was co-worker with Christ in an altogether unique way, such that her own sufferings, united and subordinated to those of Christ, “reached an intensity which can hardly be imagined from a human point of view, but which was mysteriously and supernaturally fruitful for the REDEMPTION OF THE WORLD” (John Paul II, Apostolic Letter Salvifici Doloris, 1984). It is for this reason that we call her “Coredemptrix.” (Sorry, I am not shouting; I added the caps for highlighting.) Additionally, I would take issue with Theotokos, which is a pagan term. Mary gave birth to the redeemer of the world, the messiah, Jesus. She did not give birth to G-d. Father, Son and Holy Spirit always were.
How can you type with a straight face that Mary did not give birth to God
Is Jesus God?
Was Jesus born from Mary's womb?
If yes to both questions, then she gave birth to God.
love you Matt, but that has not been dogmatically defined. Christ alone is the Redeemer.
It hasn't been made dogma, but it is a pious teaching in line with Scripture and the Magisterium. So it is more than appropriate to promote as a devotion
@@JesusmySalvationBabylon the whore is Rome. The secular world power, man who would call himself a god, not the city located in Italy. In that way, DC is Rome and so is Brussels and Beijing.
Did you think the Catholic Church was the true Church when it wasn't headquartered in Rome?
Use your brain. That's why God gave you one
@@JesusmySalvation One who can't even understand straightforward Biblical books like the Gospels and Epistles (i.e. you) should not try to interpret apocalyptic books. You lack the discernment.
Mary being dogmatically defined as Co-Redeemer is not even a possibility.
@@JesusmySalvation you got alot of parenthesis there buddy. how about you look at the whole verse, it doesnt even say what you think it says.
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
it says there will be a city and sanctuary. so first, if that city is Rome, the sanctuary will be the Vatican. tell me, your theology rejects the See of Peter headquartered in Rome. why do you reject the holy sanctuary in Rome established by St Peter?, even if as you claim the Messiah will be cut off from it. is your position that the Church of Rome was true, and was cut off from Messiah after 62 weeks/62 years?
then it says the prince and his people will destroy that sanctuary, and there will be a flood. when did any prince destroy Rome and the Vatican? followed by a flood? the Holy See is still standing there after 2000 years.
but yes, Rome is the city with the sanctuary of Messiah. you got that right, heretic. everything else you had to add blasphemous parenthesis. heretic troll with weak arguments.
I am totally open to Mary being "most blessed among women"...being the "Mother of God" (logically it leads to that conclusion). Certainly carrying the Son of God in your womb comes with incredible Blessing. I have no problem with her being "assumed" either.
But I find it way too large of a hurdle to accept Mary as the Queen of Heaven or the idea that I should have a relationship with her. We have direct instruction from Christ our Lord, the 12 apostles, Luke, Mark and Paul on the Eucharist and Baptism, but Zero...literally nothing... from them concerning Mary. Nothing. It is unfathomable to me that Mary would be given the importance that the Catholic Church gives her without The Lord or any of his apostles mentioning her as someone that is incredibly important to their Faith journey. Nor is Mary been shown historically to play any major role in the early church. She is mentioned no where as a leader in the church while plenty of other women are. Furthermore, Christianity is nothing but the fulfillment of the Jewish faith. Read the OT and you will see no Jewish framework for Mary (meaning praying and having a relationship with someone Dead other than God, being Queen of Heaven, etc.). There absolutely is a Jewish framework for the Eucharist and Baptism, but not for Mary. You can say that she was a "second ark" but that only describes what she carried inside of her womb, such as what was carried inside of the ark. To claim she is Queen of Heaven is a massive leap from that reference.
Brian:
You have raised some very good points.
I'm no expert, but I will try to cover some.
Mary in the Holy Bible:
Our Lady is mentioned few times in the scripture, but it is at very important times.
She is there in the first book and the last.
Genesis 3:15 (...I will put enmity between you and the Woman. Between your seed and her Seed..."
Apocalypse 12:1-17 A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon at her feet and a crown of twelve stars..
The Virgin birth was prophesied by Isiah.
Some think it was disrespectful for Jesus to address His mother as "woman", but this identifies her as the woman of the Bible.
She was instrumental in timing His first recorded miracle, even though He said that His "time" had not yet come.
What "time ?
The time for Him to reveal Himself and commenced His public life.
He performed a miracle because His mother asked Him to.
It was not to heal, to raise someone from the dead, to drive out a demon, but to save a friend from the embarrassment of running out of wine.
He did this to please His mother.
Mary was the only other person identified by name in the upper room on the day of Pentecost, so, as well as being present at the birth of Christ, she was present at the birth of the Church.
Queen of Heaven:
Jesus often spoke of the Kingdom of Heaven. Ruled by Christ the King.
Why should there not also be a queen?
Historically, the King's mother would be venerated as his queen.
In the O.T. Solomon's queen was his mother, Bathsheeba, not one of his wives. (Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines !!)
Apocalypse presents her as a queen, and Psalm 45 (or 46, depending on your translation)
describes the king in heaven with the queen, dressed in gold from Ophir at his right side.
Just a few things. This is from memory.
Hope I have it correct.
Mary's role in the early Church was not one of leadership, but as a mother. She is the model of humility, content to stay in the background.
Simeon prophesied that a sword would pierce her heart, and she pondered on this.
She knew that her Son would suffer, and she suffered along with Him.
@@alhilford2345 Some of your points I can totally see, and some are a stretch. When Christ is referring to His Mom at "Woman" at the wedding, it is an incredible leap to say that is Christ referring to her as "THE woman". That is taking something completely out of context.
The question I would love a Catholic to explain is how why there is literally no mention from Christ, the 12 apostles, Mark, Luke, or Paul that instructs or teaches any ideas on Mary that the Catholic church holds. Literally Nothing. There is on the Eucharist. There is on Baptism. There is on regular church attendance (mass). Nothing on Mary. Why would Christ, the 12 apostles, Luke, Mark, and Paul literally make no mention of her at all? Furthermore, Mary isn't even mentioned as a leader or influential in the early church. Other women are. Nothing on Mary. Those are some massive holes.
That being said, as long as we center on Christ and His Lordship, His Sacrifice and atonement for our sins, and belief in the Trinity, there isn't anything that holds us back from Fellowship. I LOVE my Catholic Brothers and Sister....and if I am wrong and you are right...I will gladly give Mary her due in the New Heavens and Earth.
I agree with what you said, just one thing that I need clarity, i have been reading the scriptures and have scanned the online bible is there another word for the assumption of Mary into heaven . Is it in the Bible under a different word. Like for example the word trinity is not in the bible but we say the holy trinity
@@alhilford2345 Furthermore, when you say Mary's role in the early church was that of a "Mother". What does that mean? What were her actions that she was doing to "Mother" the church. You cannot just give someone a title of "Mother" without evidence that she was actually being a "Mother of the Church". Furthermore, what evidence do you have that says Mary was humble and wanted to "stay in the background". Historically, what evidence is there for the claim you make of Mary purposely being humble and staying in background on purpose? Even if that were the case, her humility would have been an example to be modeled (if true) and surely Christ, any of the 12 apostles or Mark would mention her as someone to mimic, admire, model. And yet there isn't one single word from those who were closest to her or knew her best. I can point to account after account after account of Christ's humility...and yet he acted.
Every description we have from history of "Mothering" is to actively (by your actions) care, nurture, love and protect. Mary may have done that but we have zero historical account from those that were closest to her or knew her best that she was doing that. These same people (Jesus, the 12 apostles, and Mark) do mention other women that are doing those actions of the church. So other than someone telling you that Mary was "Humble", "Chose to purposely be the background" what actual objective evidence would you use to prove such a claim. What I can tell you is there is zero evidence from Christ's words and teaching. Zero evidence for such a claim from any of the 12 Apostles. Zero corroboration of that claim from Mark. Not a word of any Marian Dogma from Luke or Paul. So other than the Catholic Church telling you something, how can you know those teachings to actually be true, authentic to the Christian faith, and most importantly, actions and beliefs the the Lord God would actually promote / want you to do?
I Am an unhappy Catholic Not unhappy With God or Our Lady but with All of those who presume to teach the Catholic faith publicly this way Without the Sanction from The Holy Father . Have You been sanctioned by the Holy Father for this You tube channel ..? if Not woe to You then : Ave Maria .
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"Mary is queen of the universe"??
Don't sweat it,Merlin...you know that Roman Catholics make up their dogmas and doctrines whenever it suits their fancy...🤪🤪🤪
If Jesus was King then His mother would have been queen. Ever heard of queen dowagers?
@@losttime3274 Ever heard of eiseges? 😐😐😐
@@lcringo3498 that's a dumb claim because as the brother above states the mother of the King in Jewish customs was seen as of very high importance. I also disagree with the "Co-Redemptrix" thing to some point but since it isn't one of the 4 Marian domgas it's no problem to disagree with it. If she is co-redeemer the whole church should officially be called like that, this would solve the problem with this title for many I think.
@@lcringo3498 Tell me you are ignorant of Church history without telling me that you are ignorant of Church history.
There are co-laborers but there is no co-redemtrix. When we take a description of how we are co-laborers, and make that description to a title, we then take undue credit and give too little credit to Messiah. The description gives us confidence through our faith in Messiah, but the title elevates the gift of fellowship-with-Messiah into pride and it's deeply spiritually dangerous.
Wow, these guys really do worship Mary as an idol representing the grand pagan all-mother. Later in this video, they repeatedly give the womb of Mary the glory which belongs to Messiah as King and God. We worship in spirit brethren, you need to pray for spiritual discernment.
Of course you watch James White. Bearing false witness against others, specifically against another brother in Christ is a grave sin.
@@gch8810 If the word "co-redemptrix" has any meaning, then it means: co-Lamb-Of-God.
What have I said which is incorrect?
How do they interpret, the Lord Jesus Christ when he said this: "For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother." Mark 3:35. This shows that all whoever does the will of God (this is Jesus speaking and we are supposed to follow the Lord Jesus Christ), is the friend, brother, sister, and mother of Jesus Christ. This is what the Reformation was about. Salvation is too the people, not to a select few Priests.
Jose Luis Luna the Protestant Reformation was necessary because the Roman Catholic Church was so corrupt.
Qwerty if Sola Fide is false then Jesus lied in John 3:16
@@Justas399 protestantism has worse problems than Catholicism theologically
@@Justas399 if Sola Fide is true, then He lied in Mt 16 and about 400 other verses. Faith is a vital component, but the only time faith alone is mentioned in the Bible it is by Saint James saying "not by faith alone" (James 2:24)
@@JesusmySalvation I think the devil is lying to you too
I do not understand the things in this video where the bible verses of Tim Staples always given out of context and mostly the doctrine of Mary is from later revised versions. So when you in the video are going so good when Mary says yes and demons flee is not in any version of the bible or any of its translations. As a new comer to the faith I started with the Bible first in a local church and always cross referenced everything that was preached. Preaching something out of context and then supporting with another doctrine which you say was discussed by men how is this proving the divinity of Mary.
It seems that there was a tradition that was made at some point and now it seems to be the you are reaching for any verse out of context so it suits your narrative.
Three things, one how can your faith be based solely on the bibles scriptures when the faith is older than the Bible and the Bible itself doesn't say you need only the Bible, two when he said she made the demons flee he specifically said it was a quote from a homily by saint Cyril, and three Catholics don't believe and tim didn't even say Mary is divine in like God is divine i say that part for clarity sake.
@@NPC-gl8xp True God existed before the Bible , the world was created and before the bible was written and the Bible came later. If your Faith is not based solely on the Bible then may I ask on what Basis does the Homily by the saint Cyril base its conclusions on.
Salvation is through Christ and not through any church, especially the Catholic Church. And "Co-Redemptirix'' is a false doctrine just like the Protestant doctrine of ''Sole Fide.'' Mary had nothing to do with salvation nor redeeming the people. She did not suffer like Christ did and was not put to death for the sins of the world. Also, there is no female mediator but Christ is the only mediator between us and the eternal Father. What you are teaching is heresy. Yes, Mary gave birth to the Word of God but that is it. She is not a co-redeemer and never will be. I would like to quote Pope Pius IV from the Council of Trent and he said, ''the saints, who reign with Christ, offer up their prayers to God for men; and that it is good and useful to invoke them suppliantly and, in order to obtain favors from God through His Son Jesus Christ Our Lord, Who ALONE IS OUR REDEEMER'' The Council of Trent declares that Christ alone is the Redeemer. That proves that Mary is not the Co-Redemptrix. Even in the Catechism of the Council of Trent part III, it says, ''Christ the Lord, who alone has reconciled us to the heavenly Father through His blood,'' This infallibly declares that Jesus alone is our Redeemer, not Mary. Folks if you put your faith and hope in anything else besides Christ, you are lost. If you place your faith in the Church you are lost. If you place your faith in some man-made dogma or creed you are lost. If you place your faith in some Protestant denomination you are lost. Place your faith in Christ the Son of the living God.
Salvation is through Christ. Christ had a body. Therefore, salvation is through the Church which is his body. To say otherwise is Arian.
@@gch8810 Salvation will never be through a man-made church but in the Son of God alone. If you sincerely believe that salvation is found within any particular church you are lost‼️
James White is waiting for another go with any catholic takers, especially Tim!!! Lol
No. James White has stopped debating Catholics for a while.
Way way way too abstract to have any meaning to make any sense to anyone
@Shameless Papist Great Catholic witness there!
Rob Campbell It makes perfect sense. If you don’t understand the words he’s saying and the connections he’s making, that’s on you. You gotta spend some thinking reading and thinking about it.
@@kylemyers971 But do you not think this over intellectualising is going to put people off wanting to learn about Christianity. At the very least try to speak in the language that most people use. C S Lewis said that this was the number one thing to bear in mind,.and also one of the most difficult, when evangelising. Using words like Mediatrix and coredemeer is quite frankly letting people down.
@Shameless Papist Another great witness statement there, well done!
@Shameless Papist Yes, you are very trying.
Just as an observer of this discussion- it appears you are worshiping Mary and putting way to much emphasis on her. Jesus is my Lord and Savior- not Mary!
"Just an observer"
Then actually pay attention before giving your opinion.
Lorcan Maneely I did pay attention- Mary is a co redeemer? How is this possible? Did she die on the cross for the sins of man kind? Is she part of the trinity? The scripture they quoted has nothing to do with Mary- so I was just curious.
For a start, Catholics don't believe Mary is divine. She's not worshipped as God, she isn't part of the godhead, cut it out.
She is a co-redeemer in the sense that she had the choice whether to bear Jesus or not, and her choice is responsible for the savoir being part of the family of man. While Christ's sacrifice alone acts as a sacrificial substitute for mankind's sins, Mary was an active participant in Christ's journey to Calvary. Hence, co.
Lorcan Maneely ok- thank you for explaining- when I hear redeemer- I think Jesus-and Jesus alone..
@@deespence8629 :
I'm sure that this will not be the first time that you have been told that Catholics do NOT worship Our Lady, Mary.
We venerate her her and honour her as the Mother of God.
Tim Staples gets a 6 figure salary from Catholic Answers, is known to go on air and tell listeners that donations to CA is "good insurance" for their fate in the afterlife, and makes excuses for the Catholic sex abuse scandal.
You know how much he makes? How much you think they should pay him for his work? 100k is not a lot for San Diego
Hmmm...glad I watched. No offense of course, but this is precisely why I’m not Catholic. These are stretching scriptural interpretation beyond what I think it means.
It's because they are reading into the text doctrines that were invented elsewhere.
@Jose Luis Luna
1) The Roman Catholic Church was a 4th century invention.
2) Mary is not my mother.
3) Yes, Jesus asked John to take care of his mother Mary. There is nothing out of the ordinary there.
@@jaimearviso4642 I'd like a source for your first statement. We can see Catholic teaching outside the Bible as early as St. Ignatius who was martyred in around 108 A.D.
@@jaimearviso4642 lol. The Church traces the lineage of popes right back to Peter in an unbroken chain of apostolic succession. Far from a 4th century AD creation.
Your church, on the other hand, traces itself back just a few hundred years to a German apostate at longest...but probably only back a few decades to pastor Ted's garage Bible study in Scranton, PA
Now this will really rack your brain. When Christ promises that He will build His Church upon the rock of Peter and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Mt 16), He marks two conditionals by which we can know if a church is part of the one Church that Jesus founded.
1) It must place Peter in charge
2) at no time after Mt 16 but before Christ returns can it not exist on earth.
Oops...you're 0 for 2
@@loganrieck4750 Which teaching?
This blasphemy. This is what you deny Sola Scriptura.
This is not blasphemy at all, and yes Mary is the Mather of the church,and solo scripture is false they got out of the true church and made a counterfeit church, where they don't have the most important element which is the body and blood of Christ to take away their sins,. Because of the this according to the Mother of church in this days of protestantism, the souls entering hell is like snowing all day and night around the world. Many people are parting without cleaning their souls, somehow they convence themselves there is no need. The Bible is a Catholic book made by the Catholic Church for the Church, Man should stop eventing religions with it
Because?
Imagine claiming a doctrine that a book is the authority without recognizing an interpreter of the book as authority (like a law without a judge or a baseball game without an umpire)...then imagine being zany enough to insist that the very authority that gave you the book is not correct in its interpretation of said book. I present to you Sola Scriptura
@Qwerty Define Sola Scriptura. Your post makes me think you don't what it means and its implications.
@@illumoportetcresceremeaute887 Can you show me where I can find the infallible and official interpretations of the Scriptures by your church? Can you show me the infallible interpretation by your church of John 3:16?
It means she is our redeemer and mediator for Jesus. Pagan christianity.
no, it doesn't mean that. Did you even watch the video? I don't mind you disagreeing, but at least understand what it means and THEN disagree with the actual argument! Not with a strawman.
@@GustavoAndresHerrera
Yeah i did, apparently I'm a mediator and redemptor and you're a mediator and redemptor. Where are our people doing hail Gustavos and hail Mr Livers to us?
@@ThruTheUnknown We are all mediators for one another in that we can pray for one another as this is what Catholics generally mean by mediator.
We can also play in redemption through obedience to God's Will and evangelization to help convert others.
Mary's unique Co-Redemptrix position comes from her singular privilege in being asked by God to bear our Lord Jesus Christ and become His Mother. She has a special relationship to God in this way and a special participation in God's Salvation in this regard and why we honor her.
God love you
@@loganrieck4750
Can i do a hail mary to you then?
@@ThruTheUnknown No, for the reasons I've listed above. You can ask me to pray for you if you'd like.
The Hail Mary is a biblical and traditional prayer and I'm afraid I myself am not part of either.
Blasphemy cant listen to this u wonder y the rcc is falling apart u twist the scripture to suit ur tradition awake world awake many say jesus jesus but has notttt the truth amen
Twist. Like the way Protestant churches can marry unlimited times and think they’re not committing adultery
@@JJ-cw3nf it's funny u know this commandment but threw away thou shall not have graven images before me u hypocrite
@@charnelallan7159 so you admit that commandment on adultery is not followed because of sexual and emotional desires. And no graven images are for pagan Gods. Rather than one God as creator of all things. I’ve never heard of church worshiping polytheism. But I do see churches blessing re-marriages
@@JJ-cw3nf worshipping Mary is blasphemy against the holy Spirit, u preach a false gospel, Jesus is the way not through Mary, u invented purgatory to sell salvation, I am non denominational I read my Bible and yes the papacy, the doctrines of Catholicism is paganistic, are the other churches out there that teach contrary to scripture yes but that's not the issue, repent
@@charnelallan7159 No actually non-denominational was invented in the 18th century. There was always a structured church in the first century. Catholics have the records to trace any Priest to any Pope to Jesus Christ. Pope Francis all the way down to Peter to Jesus Christ. And Catholics agree with you, they are against worshiping Mary. Actually there was a heresy group called Collyridianism in the 4th century that made sacrifices to the Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church had to condemn them. And there’s records of the bishop Rome’s preemptive authority from every century starting with Jesus giving this authority to Peter. You have to understand the Old Testament. The Shebna, the succession, the significance of the keys. And this is repeated in writings after the apostles. And there’s the miracle of Our Lady of Lourdes that confirmed the office of the Papacy. So lot of evidence to go off of. And purification after death was always in the Jewish religion that pre-dates Jesus. Not only do we have writings inside and outside the Bible but Jewish religion today still believes in purification after death. Jesus never said there was no purification after death. He knew about it. The idea that there’s no purification after death was started by Martin Luther, that’s why he threw out the book of Maccabees from the Bible.
This is so heretical
Cooperating with Christ is heretical?
@@CPATuttle as if Christ, aka God, needs cooperation from anyone else to achieve his purpose. Yes it's heretical.
@@rudycataldo3653 God wants us to cooperate
@@CPATuttle we don't disagree on that
@@rudycataldo3653 and we agree why the Popes rejected that title. It’s dumb