Michelin presented airless tires for production cars
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- We all are biased about all kinds of prototypes and concepts. It actually makes sense. For example, a concept of tubeless tires appeared a long time ago. They have been available for sale in high demand. However, Michelin went even further. In early June, they showed an airless tire for production-based cars.
If you are the author of the materials or the copyright owner of it, but your authorship was not indicated or you object to its use, please contact me: titosaleksyt@gmail.com
Subscribe to my channel to get to know all news! ► / @innovativetechs3044
#construction #tools
Don’t miss next videos: Press the little bell ((🔔)) to get notifications
some people took the term "re-inventing the wheel" to a literal level.
Paradox that will being of tubeless tire design was long invented back in the late 60s by a company called Goodyear which made the tires completely out of piano wire thickness stainless steel interwoven that acted like a spring dampening qualities for the vehicle called the moon rover.
Paradox good thing that’s a tire and not a wheel
Back to the Stone age 😂😂😂
@@isaiahbabb8612 Some of them replace the wheel too though
This typer of wheels have existed for more Then 10 years but have only been avaible for the military
This is nothing compared to the tireless air that Lay's is selling.
Simon Eden love this comment
hahahaha
🤣
STRAIGHT FACTS.
Sooo underrated
They’re not letting you hear the car drive because it’s loud af
Mason Kennedy u good
Really?
why would it be loud lmao
that is why they are testing it
@@l3gacy
It really is loud if you care.
You have tons of thick spokes spinning, open tot he air, and rapid deformation of the internal spokes. Das a noisy boi.
This on the Cybertruck would make the ultimate futuristic vehicle that we could currently produce.
I was thinking the same thing. This definitely needs to be an option soon. This has Tesla written all over it.
I want to see these on the Rivian truck
This on the new Tesla Truck 😂
But it would be loud af
Stop reading my mind
These are going to ruin the air industry. The air industry has kept these from the world too long!
C Me honestly the air industry realizes heavily on machinery that uses air like air tools etc.
The significance of the air industry is seriously over inflated...
@Yashua Fradkin The bane of all free thinking society. I mean we can't even breathe with out them!
Luis Garcia I’ve been saying this about the air industry for YEARS. They are involved in every major industry and haven’t had any new regulations set since the 80s. Theodore Rosecelt called the air industry the sleeping giant who puffs....
Experts agree that the rain forests rely on excessive air leakage from tires, so this would cause massive deterioration of the planet.
I'm sorry but the largest producer of wheels is still LEGO
I have seen this like 10 years ago.
When is it going to come out already
... 5 more years; honest...
They're struggling with some key features/floors of the design. The idea is sound, but they just can't get anywhere near the same levels of grip as a traditional tyre, because of the way the 'tyre' behaves. Also, the ride quality is fucking awful, lol.... you don't appreciate all the frequencies and vibration your rubber balloons smoother to make driving not make you want to commit suicide. Lots of small things that have massive effects.
MsLampalampa can’t stop bullets through the sides
@@Fire0101011 Not a concern for people who live in a civilised society.
@mike brink I think this idea is a fantastic thing to explore and if they can get it working.... I'm all for it. But for now, you just can't beat what we already currently have. It's tried, tested and proven evrey single day by literally millions and millions of cars globally.
Won't work in the snow belt. Voids will fill with slush that will freeze when you park.
Good point
If they close them it should be fine but definitely not in this state.
If they flex enough, any ice would break out pretty quickly but they might be out of balance for a while. I'd worry more about a rock getting into that web.
@@alwayslearning3671 Ice can be hard and sharp enough to damage the rubber, especially when this happens repeatedly.
They will probably make a sidewall to cover that, but don't have it currently applied just so they can show off the technology.
Pretty sure that's air in between those springy vanes.
ha
U right
^
That's still outside the tire though.
@@naota3k in and out still air
"Low profile tires are prone to damage from potholes"
*shows a 62 Cadillac on bias plys*
Seriously, that was weird.
Smoothest vehicle to ever be produced
I like how the wheel burst into flames when it hit the pothole. I’ve almost never had that happen.
Dave "almost" lol, tell me more
I wonder how the flex is sideways, in heavy cornering situations.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ That's absolutely wrong. Run flats are not comfortable at all...
I'm guessing terrible. 1 heavy corner would shred these things.
So made for a limo that can't turn sharp to avoid something without vaporizing its traction and crashing uncontrollably.
It depends on rim shape. If the spokes are very wide they won't have any problems with sideways force. Try shearing an old credit card by laying it flat on a table and moving top and bottom in different directions. You won't be able to break it without two big vices.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ is your username a reference to some neo Nazi crap? Ss symbols... "White wolf"... Just saying...
Has anyone ever ran over a rock and their entire tire catched on fire, I'll wait.
I did.
I had a friend who had something like that happen in Afghanistan. ;)
@@Ranstone I believe this
lol..i thought the same thing.
talks about slim low profile tires
*shows large white wall tires in animation*
Pls make these available for ALL vehicles as soon as possible.these are awesome.
"low profile rubber is at risk of damage in potholes"
tire: [BURSTS INFO FLAMES]
the best part is how the car in the animation has really high profile rubber :D
0:51 I was wondering what my 2009 WRX would look like with these tires LOL
A set of these tires might look pretty cool on a Tesla Cybertruck.
At least the tires will look good. Now, for the rest of the truck.
@Luke Gilson The shape hurts basic pickup functionality. It is fine if it is only meant as a lifestyle truck, but won't cut it as a work truck.
Hope Elon Musk will look at designing a new tyre AND bringing it out on the market for a reasonable price
@@jeroenjansen2709 Why do you think that Elon would be a tire expert?
@@TroySavary There is clear evidence that he is a genius. Ever heard about Spacex? What I meant is that Elon Musk turns everything into gold when it comes to technical innovation and bringing it on the market. The main manufacturers and industrialists never come up with something radically new. As long as they are making profits for their shareholders they are content. Used tyres create an enormous waste problem. Why can't Goodyear or Bridgestone something about it?
Thank for recommending.I bought a set of Michelin on tire4coin. All recommendations for them.
I think that the only reason it is being withheld is because it makes spike-strips obsolete.
I think spike strips would get stuck to these and cause even more damage to other parts tbh. Just make em a little longer and a little more durable.
just make a spike trap variant with a barbed hook like you would use in some fishing applications.
They got like a net that they throw down that goes into the tires that works good as well
and planned obsolescence
Have you ever heard of run-flat tires? They can still operate after a puncture, though with limited 'safe' operating mileage. They can be driven on for a long time with no air though.
"Your spike strip is no good! Eat my dust coppers!!!" 😆 This has been in the works for ages. The issue with automobile adoption has always been vibrations at freeway speeds. Maybe they finally figured it out.
that sounds like tracking issues with the alignment of the wheels or that the roads are so bad on the freeway.
i drive a £850 shitter car and it doesn't rattle or vibrate on the motorway.
maybe i misinterpreted your message.
@@Dockhead haha no it's called balancing the wheel assembly. google it.
@@DWinzZz i know what wheel balancing is mate, we call it slightly different over here well its actually a simpler process in which you only balance the 2 front wheels and not the rears (dont ask my why but it is what it is)
unless you go for the thorough wheel balancing in which case applies to all 4 corners.
what does this have to do with the OP message? "The issue with automobile adoption has always been vibrations at freeway speeds" in this case i suggested tracking his tires but balancing will do just as good.
maybe its because most UK cars that arent sporty or just for general public run FWD.
@@Dockhead Congrats, you're the worlds biggest dunce.
Learn to read the words that are actually in front of you, just because a sentence looks similar to something you think you know, doesn't make it the same.
Balancing the wheel assembly is not the same as wheel balancing.
@@shawnpitman876 hoorah someone mistook a word how tragic, stop getting your knickers in a twist, who actually cares other than you?
The title is misleading. It makes it sound as if they were about to be released, when they will be in stores in 2024.
No earlier than 2024.........
Not holding my breath on that one either. If they ever get them to work as well as those on the Lunar Rover, I'll be impressed. Not enough to buy them, but impressed.
If these were to go into production, you would lose the convenience of being able to run lower tire pressures in low grip situations, which could lead to more crashes. Also, if slush were to get in between the spokes and then freeze, you would have a large problem on your hands.
Why this are not in the market?
It has been decades since they introduced these tires.
Finally, a tire that's resistant to SPIKE STRIPS!!!
I had a set of these tires about six years ago the trouble is they have a high failure rate and temperature is 0 to 5° they are brittle and you can actually get frozen to the ground if you park in a few inches of water prior to that water freezing
Sawyer Dickson kiss me
Sawyer Dickson Who said I drove on the street with him stop being a dick
Sawyer Dickson wow that’s very cool you’ll notice depending on the sidewall will capture a lot of dirt and a lot of water and kick it up really high am I found it stones will get stuck in it And cause the tire to become unstable
@Sawyer Dickson They have been available for heavy equipment and garden tractor use for years. Surely you know this.
@Sawyer Dickson Well, off road in a slow, heavy vehicle is one thing, which is why they have been relegated to construction and offroad use until now. A slow, heavy vehicle doesn't need to really trouble itself with a slower offset cam of a debris-loaded wheel. It also deals with a longer crush time when contacting the surface, allowing debris to pulverize and expel at low speed. Doing the same thing at higher speeds could be problematic. That said, I'm guessing that's why it too so long to come to passenger vehicles; engineering a solution that doesn't allow debris in the first place takes time.
It's amazing how many people didn't watch long enough to hear it wasn't for passenger cars.
Leso Varen not until 2024
@Mustache Merlin That means they're not for passenger cars RIGHT NOW. Do you have a comprehension problem? Whether they may or may not be at a later date(it's still undetermined if they can actually make it viable for passenger vehicles) is NOT now. It's amazing that has to be explained to you.
Lmao did you even watch the entire video? They go on to talk about passenger car applications. Have to spoon feed people information these days. No attention span.
@@thosethickstrings It says it not yet for passenger cars. Dig the car key out of your ear.
@@thosethickstrings Put the time stamp on where it says this is available for passenger cars. You can't because it isn't.
Can imagine the vibrations when debris gets stuck in between the layers throwing the wheels off balance
I remember when they anounced these more than a decade ago.
we've been hearing this for years. Just put it in the store already.
they probably wont do it since police can't use spike strips on these tires
Nah they’ll use knife like strips instead that lay across the entire road to slice the tires open.
releasing this when it was first ready 10 years ago would have disrupted their tire business
waiting for the patent to nearly run out before releasing it
People dont seem to realize they dont cover up the hole only for demonstration purposes. They can easily cover it up and make it look like a normal tyre and 90% of these "experts" couldn't tell the difference.
But first, they'll have to actually make it work. then they hand it to Marketing, who'll turn it all FUBAR.
Okay, I first read about this some years ago now, and I'm not seeing any in the market.
I cannot wait for these tires to come out.
“Hon, just gotta clean my wheels and tires real quick...”
2 days and 15 toothbrushes later ...
Ever heard of a water hose
Stinko doesn’t clean as well as you’d hope
The wheel with the turbine actually seems like a very good idea. Like its applications in F1 bodied cars is massive and will enable More powerful machines, and Even with super cars if today, a few openings in the front grills that will direct air right into the turbine would work
when the tires get wider, wouldn't that be a problem for the driver to have to rethink the car's dimensions?
choboc that whole concept just doesn’t work, for the tyres to spread apart would require them to slide across the ground at speed causing a potential flat spot
Incredible how many engineers in the comment section
All these people that think they know everything, well Michelin engineers already know more than you, already thought of your wonders, and if the tyres haven't came out yet, is because they still testing it to make them safe
So let's have some common sense that I bet most of you wouldn't be able to design a normal tyre on the first place
Was this video written by an AI? Everything is so strangely worded...
Wow timtom is here that’s so random
They’re written by non native English speaking Chinese hence the weird wording occasionally despite sounding mostly normal. Then they outsource the narration to someone on fiver or a similar site.
Designed a very similar idea last year, too many flaws so I ditched this concept. Glad to see it as an actual tire and not a drawing though, very impressed.
Wasn't the army testing this a while back?
Yes but this is for civilian road vehicles
@@shahimagesyt not yet. Right now, geometry and material properties only allow for this to be driven comfortably without the sound of the structural elements creaking.
theses would be great for a spare tire that is always ready to go... thanks...:)
speeder:
popo: *popo drops spike trap*
also speeder: HEHEHE
I've loved the idea of tweels since I was 12. Glad companies are finally waking up to them
cops with stinger just made redundant
As a tire mechanic the present tires are still here to stay. Most people are looking for cheap affordable tires, that is why used tires are very popular. Those airless tires are not going to be cheap for everyone to jump on the bandwagon.
Won't they hold rocks in them? Or mud
Possible
Though I think the engineers thought about that
I'd assume they made the inner threads in some angles which would cause most of the dirt to fly off when they reach a specific speed
Aka centrifugal force
Probably exposed for demonstration/testing purposes.
@@thaik56 nope. This is the finished product so far
that turbine tire looks badass
When mud and gunk gets in the voids, the whole thing goes horribly out of balance...
i imagine there will be a membrane covering the openings, this is just showing off the technology.
i work in a Tire warehouse and have come across these a few times, mostly for forklifts.
I'm gonna start calling race cars "high speed machinery" now.
They should invent something really cool that you can fill up with air to absorb the road and would work in all conditions.
Bank robbers will be rubbing there hands
lol
Wow tires without air and more plastic amazing
A lot of engineers are commenting.
Waiting to order 4 sets. No more worried about my tires flat or calling my insurance company to report road damage from other vehicle
They've been trying to make this a thing for a LONG time. Ain't happening.
It will hit off-roaders 1st
Regardless, I'm just glad to see more widespread use of compliant mechanics.
this tire was invented in the 1920s this is nothing new
Ya era hora de usar esta tecnología. Michelín es lo mejor 👍🏻
20 years later... they've literally shown this 20 years ago are you for real xD lol
Well no, because the ENTIRE problem with the concept is reliability and durability. The concept was NOT durable and was NOT reliable. All the materials had to change. Design had to change to self scourgify gunk from the wheel. Why they are selling for low speed, grungy conditions using their older tech which was tested, but is not compatible with much higher RPM(speed)
@@w8stral I'm pretty sure that this bullsh*t is still not ready for mass consumption. And probably never will be.
So what's your point? They changed some materials, wow, nice. Let's make a video and profit about it, while the product itself is basically the same, and will likely never be sold anywhere. Very cool.
@@sashoxxx So, no, you cannot read nor think... Ok. Keep showing the world you know nothing about how a product is made. Bravo! Real Q? Why the Hell are you commenting other than to demonstrate your utter ignorance?
@@w8stral Answer to your "Real Q": Just to highlight how this video shows a 20 year old product that is useless and would most likely never reach the public. And that videos like these are made only to seek views and make money over old and obsolete ideas for tech. Nothing more, nothing less.
But the real Q here is - why are YOU commenting? Still missing your point here, as I previously stated.
Here, I'll break it down for you, to make my point easier for people like you to understand;
Video title states: "Michelin PRESENTS airless tires for production cars" :
What I find hilariously wrong with this video and its purpose:
1) this is 20 year old tech with some minor cosmetics done to the concept - that can barely count as "PRESENTING";
2) It is not, and most likely never will be, "for production cars" - there are no facts stating otherwise - it is only a concept - futuristic visualization of an idea;
3) Video does not provide any other information over what has already been developed as a concept, TWENTY years ago;
- hence why the video's sole purpose -> make money over views of people that have no clue what they are watching - as in most videos from channels like this one;
- Channels like these are no "content creators", they don't produce quality material, they just compile some randomly found tech videos, regularly very old to be considered "Innovative Techs" (this channels name btw), and present them quickly, boringly (it's literally a voice-over on an already existing video, released by the innovator decades ago), and with little to no research or effort to understand what they want to throw at you, and with little to no understanding on most of their topics, since they cover extremely wide spectrum of material in all kinds of categories -> again, sole purpose for channels like these is to throw some content at people and make money out of it - that's all they want.
Conclusion (personal, but should be for most people): video is garbage / product is (old) garbage / clickbait for the clueless;
Conclusion YOU should make out of it, since you even went to insults quite quickly: I'm not hating (in this instance) Michelin for trying to innovate, and trying to find the hot water tap. I'm hating on videos and channels like these because of all the above said.
@@sashoxxx The Hell... Said tires are for sale. Just not for an automobile yet. For everything else? Yup.
Finally! Been wondering for years if they ever gonna come
Lol have y’all heard of snow? Ya have fun with that shit and these tires.
copied idea shut up
Ummm. People change their tires anyways for the snow.
Fooos LMAO
Brandon Baklayan How is it copied? I literally thought of it as I watched this video.
2:39 This tire looks like something you would like unlock in a video game
Just dont go into any mud...would fill those wheels up and throw the balance out
They would cover the holes. It's just open for demonstration purposes.
@@mathisrenier Are you sure about that?
@@TimeoutMegagameplays It's the first thing you think of when someone mentions this problem, so yeah I'm pretty sure a team of several hundred engineers thought about it.
@@mathisrenier I wouldn't be so sure, because if the tire is closed it will either have air or vacuum inside, and that means it's not puncture-proof anymore.
@@TimeoutMegagameplays As long as the air inside the tire is at the same pressure as outside it will stay puncture-proof.
I machined the test rims for the wind tunnel last month. It's coming to the market soon. Better believe it.
Tell us about the inside info you have.
@@gregorymalchuk272 not a good idea for me to say more than what I have lol I'd rather not lose my job
Okay then tires look ugly,
How am I supposed to put armor all on it if they look like that?
@Sawyer Dickson Yeah. Hydroplaning is super smart. Get those and blame the company who built them. Genius!
Sawyer Dickson The source you pulled is practically unusable with the statement I've placed. It's irrelevant at this point. Also I see some issues with the source as well, heat is the byproduct of energy and not vice versa. To do such would practically be the equivalent to a steam turbine which cannot fit into a car, let alone a house with the amount of energy to create sufficient use. And you know what is more efficient? An alternator, which has been a thing since. Another problem with the source is the materials being used, since the tires would be 3D printed, it would use a real soft rubber that found on pencil erasers as 3D printing needs to have a low melting point materials.
Sawyer Dickson You call me a caveman yet you've managed to be deceived by an AD. Airless tires aren't viable as they aren't as sturdy as regular tires especially when being introduced at higher speeds as the tire is only held together by a thin pattern layer of rubber which will cause significant drag, you might as well be running on flat tires to make a fair comparison, the air in a regular tire is compressible, but it has a certain point which it cannot compress which is significantly less than that of the Airless tire.
Sawyer Dickson They've been addressed, but are they fixed? Like the saying goes "Don't fix what isn't broke"
Airless tires are a fad, just like the hoverboard. They needlessly fool people like you into thinking it's the best.
Sawyer Dickson It's all statements. If it's publicly proven, it loses the one advantage of being cheap. Practically throwing it into a catch 22, since you aren't able to produce a cheap enough tire to beat competitors, you'll need to lose quality of the tire to even make it a fair comparison. $150 per tire isn't good. Also such a super material that fulfilled in being elastic like rubber but having to be super durable is Graphene which is already expensive.
The only reason this has not been made available for over a decade now is because the current wheels are more profitable. It's a clear case of a better product being withheld from consumers because they would make a lot less money. (And any comments about noise or debris are easily solved with a simple side-wall).
1:28 “puncture proof”
*proceeds to show nails puncturing tire*
That's a bit pedantic
Puncture proof means a puncture like that will not affect the structural integrity of the tire, that you can still use it.
Wasn't this considered "The Best of What's New" in 2005 Popular Science!?!?!?!? 14 Years later and we still haven't seen them on a vehicle.
Lol they’re still trying to reinvent the wheel. We haven’t gone that far have we?
Improve*
@@lakasngamatzko4523 Yep. Guy thinks airless wheels a new thing lool
@@jakobmiranda2660
Yea this is years old tire technology. Just like the foldable oled screens. Companies like to milk the FK out of technology till it gets old, then they bring in technology that is "New"(old) and People go "Damnnnn that shit tight son!!!"
I can't see them used anywhere but in the southern states. once you get snow packed in them the balance will be so bad you wouldn't want to go over 25 MPH.
Thanks, I hate it
I would switch to airless tires when I need replacement. I would like to have sidewall protection to stop debris entering the tire sides as I am sure balancing and it her problems would happen.
and they will only be at the low cost of $5000 a tire...lol
these have been for sale since early 2018 they're about $5000 a set, and they have a cap of 40mph, they have yet to release any for cars that can withstand highway speeds. you can order for lawnmowers and construction equipment but that's it. it's sad if a set of 40mph or lower tires are about $5000 what are 60mph plus tires gonna cost.
They'll never sell them they will lose way to much money.
no the tread on the tire would still wear away. This just stops blowouts and leaks. My backround is in tires and we at the shop talk about this all time. Plus im sure they would be a premium tire. So on that alone most people wouldnt have them.
They will great on the Cybertruck
lol wtf "We are all biased about all types of prototypes and concepts. It actually makes sense." you sound like an AI... do you just write these scripts once and then record immediately? lol
Why is Steve here?
They’re written by non native English speaking Chinese hence the weird wording occasionally despite sounding mostly normal. Then they outsource the narration to someone on fiver or a similar site.
They need to make low profile pilot sport ones like that
*HOW about putting NORMAL size wheels the entire 19" 20" 22" wheels are IDIOTIC!!!*
Lots of brakes are getting bigger and bigger so wheels have to get bigger
My bmw has brakes so big 18 inch is the minimum and has barely any clearance, I’d get 19s if I could just for some breathing room
This wheel upsizing is a by-product of cars getting bigger and heavier. Larger brakes are required to slow them down.
This thing will be perfect for Indonesia, because there was some a hole that pour nails in the road, so when the tires puncture, the driver will fixed it at the street tire fixer that pour the nails, to make more profit
The first tires that are similar to today’s tires came out in 1923 and were first only available on the cole motor cars which were built in Indianapolis and the other car company was named moon. Those were the first car companies to offer what we consider standard tires today high volume and low air pressure they were called balloon tires at the time and were put out by Harvey Firestone
I’m interested in that last design by Hankook, the one that splits open with the turbine at higher speeds. I can’t imagine that would be a very smooth transition while going down the track.
Perfect getaway vehicle tires
This tires on the cybertruck
Perfection
Hell, my tricycle came with airless tires over 50 years ago..... and the pioneers crossed the continental divide on airless wheels...
No winter use. Snow getting in those open areas would put it out of balance.
Everyone says this but it’s visible for demonstration. The production tires will have a rubber sidewall to keep dust and water out.
@@markm0000 well then until the production tire is shown and demonstrated, it's 100% valid to comment on: what we see is *not* what you get. You are convinced, and that's nice. I want something more substantial behind my purchases.
rubber flanges where pretty cool
This is cool tires as long it can handles all kinds of potholes and protect rims, smoothly turns, tires for all season weather, long lasting treads, can handles the weight of the cars with passengers or any big items stuffs. Then I think it’s good to go for productions. Hey it’s just my opinions.
Won’t be for sale no earlier than 2024? We need these tires now because more and more vehicles don’t come with a spare.
Gotta love how the image accompanying the news that they decided to call it "puncture-proof" is of a nail puncturing the tire.
I believe they are referring to the fact that a puncture won't disable the tire.
@@jimschwartz1502 Of course! My point is: they couldn't have come up with a name that says that without being obviously wrong? Are you trying to tell me that "puncture-proof" is better than, for instance, "flat-proof?"
@@sambolino44 Just battling marketers. They live on the edge of truth.
Of course they delay production for regular cars, they’d sell 4 wheels that’d last much longer than traditional tires, hence less turnover, and less profits.
Was thinking of putting them on a WRX. 0:50 immediately refuted that
They'd definitely need full sidewalls, much thinner than conventional ones and not airtight but able to keep foreign matter out of the webbing.
The inner tire webbing shouldn’t be visible it takes away from wheel aesthetics. So cover it with rubber to look like a normal tire wile also having that web structure tire technology inside, enclosed but no air needed
its about time tyres were re designed it is the 21st century , most modern cars now dont have spare wheels !
It’s all fun & games until you live in Milwaukee where everyone does 60 in a 30 and there’s potholes everywhere 😂
Are these tires recyclable?Are they just going to landfills or big piles laying in fields.
that material is way too cool and high tech for recycling
How are police supposed to stop a criminal from running from them then?
Wonder if these could be used on tanks, instead of tracks. Maybe a bit more road friendly.
Some of these concepts are promising while others look to be very expensive alternatives for what has worked well for decades. I have always wondered why the tire manufacturers have not invented some type of foam filled tire that is airless and puncture proof. All of these sort of fit the category of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" in a way but new technology is always welcome as well.