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Black South African and White South African discuss State of South Africa
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2018
- So, a black South African living in Beijing took exception to some of the things I said about South Africa in my "China Saved my Life" video, and felt compelled to meet with me to air her views, I was very happy to hear her side of the story... You decide!
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Love your videos. Respect to you for giving a fair hearing to those who disagree.
"If south Africa is so good.. why are you living in Beijing?" *drops the microphone*
Winston,
Dis dieselfde storie elke keer, sodra iemand hulle anvat en uitwys dat hulle verkeerd is blameer hulle die wit persoon. Vat verandwoordelikheid vir jou onoselgeid en hou op uitmaak asof die wit mense so sleg is. Die ergste van alles is dat mens die haat aan voel, dat hulle die "westerse" ideoloë wil verwyder maar hulle geniet BMW's en selfone te veel.
Not to say I was right, but now power is out over 10 hours a day, it’s faaaaaar worse than when we made this video
Yes even right now, we have cable theft, potholes, water shortages and some communities don't have power for days on end, it's really bad.
Crazy that such a geographically privelaged country can have so many problems. It is little bit like Argentina except there is less crime. With so many natural resources and fertile land it should be pretty easy to run this country and no need of other crap
Would love for you to interview her today and see her thoughts on her views from the original video haha!
Makes me appreciate living in Boston.
@@MrCharvik All the white people were genocided and ousted, that's what happened.
I'm black and i have to say, perspective is just perspective. He is as balanced and unbiased as one can be. I would say that the first step in moving forward for her, would be to acknowledge the true issues that exist by first checking her own huge bias. Denying the problems and ills that exist and plague a community, is a sure fire way to ensure their continuance.
Agreed. She speaks from "feelings", SerpentZA speaks from facts. She tries to twist facts in order to support her feelings.
It also felt to me that she was more concerned about race and his white privilege more than anything else.
@@mrt737 - And if you haven't been to South Africa, this might seem a bit either "American leftist" (it isn't though) or just "overly concerned". But this is a South African standard. Even though black people make up a large, very large, majority of the population, there is a lot of rules in place in South Africa to promote discrimination in favour of black people - at the expense of everyone else.This is where mentions of not just white people, but also coloured people comes in. There's actually quite a few news clips, South African ones, from South African mainstream media, where coloured people explain that they were better off, had it better, under Apartheid. Not because Apartheid was good in any way (it wasn't) but because what is now is a travesty and even worse.
I know, it's a long and deep topic to get in to. And at times, even a difficult one.
Young woman is probably sincere however many people tend to believe government statements
Some Jewish people did not believe the trains were taking men women children away never to return.
One brave polish jew escaped from a death camp ,he tried to warn other jews in ghetto them response was not
As he expected he was vilified even threatened by Jewish leaders the reason was simple the truth was too brutal.
Them young man survived the war moved to America.
Who's fault was apartheid it was the whites we've lived under terrible circumstances for most of our life why can't the whites toil through
He didn’t base his decision to leave S.A. on his emotional response; his decision was based on the realistic view of what he can plainly see.
shes listening to reply, not listening to hear u.
she has a narrative in her mind and is immune to hearing
*Listening to replay !! Nice expression bro !!!*
I have found that most people communicate in that fashion, sad
A nice argument! But both of them are playing the part. Winston said it. He invited her to express her opinion. She's an educated grown up as a result she would have a matured opinion on the situation. As a result her answers to the issues in ZA are already ready...
Thomas H. If that's the case, whites should give back all the gold, silver, and diamonds they took. And move to Britain
espn0o id be in favour of both
Winston: "This is still happening"
Her: "It is getting better"
Winston: "Yes, but it is STILL HAPPENING"
Her: "We've moved on from that"
Winston: "We should move on from Apartheid"
Her: "Oh no you must understand, it made people very emotional"
.........
Some people don't want to move on.
Typical victimhood mentality and culture, believe me it's everywhere. Many black people all over the world think this way and refuse to think otherwise.
If you don't forgive it will never heal there .
Carlos Fdz and that my friend is why Winston has moved on.....to China and far away from her people.
UtamfShapes that’s why we want to live as far away as possible away from them.
"My friend got murdered"
"You were privileged"
Things must have been really bad there
the movement is making its way around the world
“my friend got killed”
“you deserve it because you had it good”
sound exactly like what a dictator from Germany said
@@buzzlaw I was in Ghana a two months ago (at a hotel) and I was asked my pronouns.😅
@@tylerdurden3722 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no way
He should have used his white card to get out of that murderous situation.
As a black south African i agree with Winston 100%
30 years gone and these people still use apartheid as an universal excuse for their sh!t. Incredible.
they are other countries who had communism and wars, no natural resources and they do not use it as excuses in every sentence lol like many Africans
And it only gets worse and worse
Slavery was gone for much longer yet they still use that as an excuse in the USA.
she has a lot of excuses but not a lot of arguments
yea that bugged me.
Ares Well some people don't like their home land getting shit on but i do agree with you on her just giving excuses
I'm amazed how Winston didn't lose his temper every time she tried to twist his words against him... Well what can be expected from leftist who has no personal opinion? I don't believe that anything she said were her own conclusions .
apartheid doesn't justify murder and theft of people who took no part in it
If it's true, then there's no denying that!
She did not convince me. It seems to me that SA is moving in the wrong direction.
The first step to resolve an issue, is to acknowledge that issue.
South Africa is currently stuck at the step 0 of a 50.000 steps program...
I made up my mind about SA even before the lady started talking
Zimbabwe all over again.
That's called racism and it's a sign of stupidity...
THE GOOD CONTENT No it’s not racism. I do not think SA is a good country
Her points all supported Serpentza's argument. She painted an even MORE negative picture of South Africa than Serpentza. Being attacked three times is horrible.
Would be interesting to see how she feels in 2021
I'm seeing this for the first time and was thinking the same.
Holy shit, man the xenophobia in south Africa Just gets worse every year
She’d be feeling the same, blaming everything on white privilege
@@jetjack74 Did you call her up recently to confirm that? No room for assumptions, its immature on your part. People's pathologies can change with time. Let her speak for herself, and you speak for yourself.
@@acosiak6191 What are you doing? People who act morally righteous are so annoying.
Yeah! Tell that guy he should have said "probably"! You tell em! Probably doesn't even know that people change their minds, am I right? Fuck these mansplainers, everybody look at me - I'm a good person!
“Apartheid still affects us”
“We moved on from that president. That was months ago”
Thuggery comes in all forms. Some use weapons, while others use lies, excuses, propaganda, and communism. But it's hard to be consistent when one is a liar.
Only affects them because their parents refused to forgive, and this taught the younger generation to hate.
There is a difference between me being an actual victim VS being taught I am a victim and should blame or hate certain people, and justify it.
White Argentinian That's a massive oversimplification but not too far from the truth lol
Also:
"The power outages are no longer a problem"
"Uh, yes they are."
"The power outages are not as much of a problem."
Look to Zimbabwe for the road map. To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher: The trouble with demagoguery is that eventually you run out of other people to blame.
Admirable restraint-stay classy, man.
indeed bro
Yep SerpentZA is sooo unbalanced. He gave you more than equal speaking time. Credit to you Winston
you can tell the type of person Winston is from this video. Some types delete / block dissenting comments, this guy invites them on his show and lets them talk for half an hour. As for which of the two people in the video espoused their views more effectively... the video speaks for itself.
I've been physically attacked 3 times but nothing is wrong. WTF!
If you notice she didn't say if it was her race or a different race, it was most likely her own race.
With female mysogenists race trumps gender and she wouldn't risk losing favor from her own male peers for the sake of addressing the nature of the problem for her sisters' sake.
juan tomas The OP didn't say anything about race.
China Expat listen again. She stated it is sad that violence has been normalized and it is a problem in her community.
Yes I know, I was trying to say that most likely if she was attacked it was most likely one from her own race, if it was someone from a different race she would have said so most likely, it's just the way people are.
sadly, there is quite a bit of denial on her part
Nevertheless it's good they had this mature conversation.
Serpentza summarized it all in the "China saved my life" video with his shitty car analogy.
IIRC he basically said that no matter how shitty a car is, its owner will try to rationalize and see only the good points ("yes there's only space for 2 people and there's no trunk, but that makes it easier to park !", "the headlights don't work, but I never drive at night so I don't care" and so on).
Yeah, Confirmation Bias
Sir Trollalot ..Watch the documentaries that have come out this year about South Africa. Farmlands
There's a difference between violence by criminals and violence by the state. The violence against white farmers has government sanction.
her statements on infrastructure has aged like fine milk
This didn't age well...
The thinly veiled racial resentment is strong with this one, she's absolutely seething.
South Africa went from being a beautiful, rich, first world country to a "developing nation" in a very short time. They majority are producing exactly what they are capable of and achieving exactly what they deserve.
Your comment is plainly untrue. Just watch the video again...
My family moved to SA in time to experience the 1980s. Most of the country was third world, and in those days there was the danger of criminals and the police were not to be trusted. They'd burst into people's homes at night. I was regarded by the racialized society as "White", and still I didn't like the security state. So I went about happily enjoying all the amenities that were for us designated "Whites" only.
Jacob Zuma and many corrupt (not Mandela's generation) ANC cadres have poisoned the system. If we rank SA's post-1939 PMs/presidents from *worst to best* tho (for how they affected *everyone's* lives, it's approx: Verwoerd, Malan, Vorster, Strijdom, Botha, Zuma, Mbeki, de Klerk, Ramaphosa, Smuts, Mandela.
(If you're surprised to see Ramaphosa ranked 3rd, he is a deeply decent forward-thinking man, but far too cautious in dealing with the terrible corruption that Zuma entrenched - if Ramaphosa had not been willing to compromise, various corrupt/criminal factions in the ANC would never have allowed him to be elected!)
Well said.
She sounds like a government spokesperson. This is some kind of damage control.
I don't totally believe her
I know the executive who went out to South Africa for the building of power station and the response was that they wanted a 60 /40 split. The executive walked away from the ridiculous offer of the South African greed. This is a true story. The same executive went on to build the Hinckley point nuclear power station in the UK. Fucking cunt corruption has been the most sickening thing for south Africa
The level of entitled black people in power are the problem.
Just like Serena Williams who was on the way down thought that she was entitled to win. Or kapaernik on the way down in the natural evolution of sport with the underdog replacing the Lords of the game. Same ol same thing with mugabe who should have stood down graciously 25 years ago. But just like the executive who offered the power station is still working on getting cannabis legal in vaping and is not retiring yet. He now has a powerful position in imperial brands. Formerly imperial tobacco
Greedy fucking elites on both sides
Edit. The black woman is a good example of a kafffer who is riding on the white guys platform that I have been watching for ages.
He built the you tube with blood sweat and tears and she came out as an entitled woman from the new south Africa and has the temerity to still pin the white guilt on him. It is just like the jew of ww2 who has made every single person in the world to feel guilty about something they had fucking nothing to do with the great grandparents did.. They exploit guilt.
Fucking hypocrisy
@@ralphwiggum250N I know the executive who went out to South Africa for the building of power station and the response was that they wanted a 60 /40 split. The executive walked away from the ridiculous offer of the South African greed. This is a true story. The same executive went on to build the Hinckley point nuclear power station in the UK. Fucking cunt corruption has been the most sickening thing for south Africa
The level of entitled black people in power are the problem.
Just like Serena Williams who was on the way down thought that she was entitled to win. Or kapaernik on the way down in the natural evolution of sport with the underdog replacing the Lords of the game. Same ol same thing with mugabe who should have stood down graciously 25 years ago. But just like the executive who offered the power station is still working on getting cannabis legal in vaping and is not retiring yet. He now has a powerful position in imperial brands. Formerly imperial tobacco
Greedy fucking elites on both sides
Edit. The black woman is a good example of a kafffer who is riding on the white guys platform that I have been watching for ages.
He built the you tube with blood sweat and tears and she came out as an entitled woman from the new south Africa and has the temerity to still pin the white guilt on him. It is just like the jew of ww2 who has made every single person in the world to feel guilty about something they had fucking nothing to do with the great grandparents did.. They exploit guilt.
Fucking hypocrisy
She just doesnt want to admit is going to Zimbabwe soon
Nah, just exaggerated patriotism. I can find plenty of similar excuse-makers for Russia and the US if you'd like, who dismiss all criticism.
How were you not rolling your eyes the entire time. She has an excuse for everything, it’s almost as if she’s on the ANC payroll
If you give platform to someone you can of course debunk them, but if you INVITE them on it would look bad on him if he did. I agree though, I did the entire time.
If I roll my eyes any more, they're gonna get stuck back in my head
He invited her to give her the chance to explain her point of view. Being negative would defeat the point. The audience can make up their own mind without Serpentza telling them how to feel.
Basically every black SA'er
one excuse for everything......white people did it!!
There is no way to sugar coat the crap that is going on in South Africa! Keep speaking your truth!
You mean the systematic discrimination against the black population that never ended or the hoarding of wealth by the white population? Or the government of the anc who takes millions in bribes too keep the situation how it is? White people getting their stolen property taken away is not a bad situation, it's decolonization and the population has every right too do so if they feel it is appropriate to move forward. None of these people have the privilege too keep stolen property, foesn't matter if they didn't steal it themselves, if i give a stolen phone to my child it won't make it their property either 💀
Winston, you had patience in listening. She really did not. It was nice listening and awesome☆☆☆☆☆
For me...I am so glad you moved from SA to China. You have contributed/educated a lot of people who love your channel. Thanks for sharing your stories.
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JA, THANK U FOR UR HATRED AGAINST SOUTH AFRICA, WE LOVE U AS WHITE PEOPLE BECAUSE U TELL US EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. KEEP TELLING US HOW WHITE GOVERNMENT UPGRADED INFRASTRUCURE AND HOW BLACK GOVERNMENT DEGRADED IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO HEAR. WE'VE ALWAYS LIKED TO BE SUPERIOR.
@@Man-P Do you feel superior because your people ruined your own country?- That's wicked.
@@Man-P I feel sorry for you
I really appreciate her for giving her opinion, but everything Serpenza said is true.
Four years later. This video has aged. Now South Africa is near collapse. It is the same thing that happened to Rhodesia. Oh excuse me, Zimbabwe!
"Apartheid was very recent, people can't move on from it."
"Malema hasn't been president for months, we have moved on from that."
ARE U FOOLISH ENOUGH NOT TO REALISE WHAT U ARE COMPARING IS NOT THE SAME.
Nicely done
@@Man-P I think you need to press shift again.
She reinforces a lot of SerpentZA's points in his previous video.
That's exactly what I thought, she is just proving his points
Proving his points but with a excuse for why its happening and why its not a big deal haha.
iPervy ...a delusional excuse.
@@iPervy WOW U GUYS HAVE SOME SOLIDARITY OUT HERE.
Honestly, I think they both were very balanced about it and both want to move on from Apartheid. Yes, her included. Should I point to specific timecodes?
She is 100% delusional. Sorry but that is the truth. Good on you for not letting her get away painting the fairly tales of that shiithole. It is not developing but devolving.
@TheOriginal GGHarasser Her friends/family must be working for the government. That's all.
They do it every time. Complain about colonials (which has some validity) but when colonials go and leave behind the infrastructure they built, they don't maintain it or improve on it, they destroy everything and fall to corruption and crime. You're right, she is delusional.
It is devolving. Just look at the unfinished projects that were stopped in mid build. It would look like a calamity happened and the building just ceased to someone that didn't know what was going on. Roads going nowhere ending in mid-air, buildings that were never quite completed and are filled with criminals, and on and on. I'm not from there but I've never heard a more rosy picture painted than what she is trying to sell. I think some don't want to admit that the country has slowly went down hill since the 90's because they are afraid it would give validity to the segregation that existed before.
@@MaTtRoSiTy
Countries with post-colonial nationalism all possess certain level of negativity bias, I think.
It's really sad that people with worse mindset than her get to decide about future of country. I don't know whether it's her denial about state of matter or she simply sympathizes with those radical leftists in power... Whatever is the truth we can all agree that she is 100% delusional and this serves as evidence of how SA is going to become Zimbabwe 2.0 . Speaking from European standpoint, we should soon give free resident visa to White South Africans because this will become much greater problem as it progresses , and we shouldn't leave another black mark on historical timeline.
She is mad at you for talking about the power grid issue. But totally dissmiss Julius Maleme and other south African leader chanting kill the boer.
FUNNY HOW NOW THAT IT'S THE BOERS WHO ARE IN THREAT OF DYING YALL WAVING UR BIG MOUTHS ON THE COMMENT SECTION
This is like a competition in ignorance
@@Man-P what so two wrongs make a right do they?
@@Man-P Why would you kill the only people in that can feed you?
Well this video is exactly what I expected. Victimization, scapegoating, no personal responsibility. Why does the West put up with this?
Jesus, I say this as a black american : Are there any large groups of strong african ancestry that DON'T blame white people for any and all wrongs and actually do well on their own? I swear, this shit is depressing. So many other ethnic groups that aren't black seem to at least do well educationally, technologically, and to a degree socially but it's like people of my particular ilk seem to just go on and on and on with this deep sense of irrationality and racial pride that has literally accomplished NOTHING for their groups. UGh...just...ugh.
victimhood is profitable these days, of course it's all the "wypeepos" fault.
True, I understand that, however, it's disappointing to see. The amount of illogical hoops you have to jump to attribute all troubles/problems/suffering to one group of people is appalling. If you think this way about this one thing, then just imagine all of the irrational meanderings and thoughts these people have about other topics. Not good my friend, not good.
Tswanas in Botswana. They're one of the best African countries with 0 corruption, 0 debt and amazing values
ArisenMind you’re stupid. Apartheid stopped in the 90s. Which means that black had no rights. At least African Americans got their human rights in the 60s
Arisen the issue is you're a dumbass. No black person who knows their history would say such a thing. You still have western countries, and now eastern, playing Game of Thrones in Africa.
3:39 "We come from a caste system" - you still do, it's just reversed, more violent, far more corrupt and heading to the tribalism found all over Africa, from Nigeria to the tribal genocide in places like Rwanda or Sierra Leone. I travelled across 14 African counties - it's entirely tribal, with violence and a 'caste system' everywhere.
Edit: By the way - I'm Scottish, several hundred years ago, we did the same thing. We had the Clan System (Scottish Tribes) - The MacDonalds slaughtered the Campbels (or the other way around - who cares). It's the same thing - it's human tribal psychology. When people relate it to 'my colour' - they are talking about the big chip on their shoulder, and not what is in front of their nose. If we don't all grow up, and embrace morality (which is colour blind and ignores 'victim hood') this crap will continue forever.
Very well said, It's kind of sad how far we've gotten as a species, but we still can't solve simple problems like accepting that a person holds the same value as any other person regardless of something as simple as the color of their skin.
He says "I didn't come from money. I think we have a similar background" she says "no i dont think so, i dont come from money at all"
She clearly wasnt listening to a word he was saying, just waiting for her turn to speak.
I have 2 questions for her:
1. How long will she blame apartheid?
2. How long will she believe in government?
Can't agree more with Winston......the lady, um not so much...sorry!.
Aparteid ended long ago in SA, but, what I found its now become like a "reverse aparteid" with what i believe was even worse than under DeClerk, only the vindictiveness against white people is all craftily covered up by global media is truly disgusting as its not growing or helping SA, but only setting it back further & further.
Last time I visited Joburg in 2004, they had the EXACT same issues & back then criminals were faking emergency calls to deliberately rape paramedics like wtf!.
17 years later after my beautiful SA holiday (where i had visited Joburg, Praetoria, Sun City, Magaliesburg, Monty Casino & their awesome lion/safari parks) the ANC seems to be STILL making the same old bs crap excuses, constantly blaming racism whilst amazingly at the same time constantly turning a blind eye to the cartels constantly running white south african farmers out of SA making them flee to Russia (had it not been for Putin they'd be all dead!) or murdering them...such stinking deep hypocrisy which the ANC constantly ignores.
I find she's also making the very same crap ANC excuses as they were in 2003/2004 when I was in SA & until the ANC finally stops the blame game & gets off its fat posterior in working for ALL South Africans (like it claimed it would do during their "reconciliation" speeches, nothing will ever change in SA.
Visited four ways, sandton, east rand & pff loved Joburg so much & had 2 months of travel withdrawal symptoms when I left because I missed it that much....but Winston is 100000000000% right and I still have friends in Joburg, Durban & CT who tell me same & Winston is 100% on target with everything he says because I saw & see the EXACT same things myselfvwhat people share with me
SA people are mostly awesome & I'd even consider living there myself as the climate, food, beautiful people are such positives (Toto was definitely right about the rains & the beauty of the climate & lands & everyone shoukd visit at least once in their lives!), but, the ANC I'm sorry to say sucks donkey balls & the worlds media is also part of the injustice & who also actively & continually covers up their bs & all my SA friends are genuinely scared at the constant escalation in crime & ANCs complete inability to fix these problems & many had shared with me from friends in Joburg whose SA friends were slaughtered, raped, randsacked & more ranging from babies to very old people & is one of the greatest atrocities which most people have never even heard of, except for gems like Winston!.
I also call bs on her "fake news" claim that this isn't happening in SA still......that's not what i hear & am told about
As I said, IF many "stick their heads in the sand" SA people like this woman & the ANC finally stops this blame game & also 100% wishes to 100% genuinely work with white SA people & 100% drop their ulterior motives to see justices for past wrongs & dismantle the policy of "re-appropriation" aka legalised theft then SA I honestly believe will eventually become the very best country in the world, but, with pigheaded attitudes like this, yet another 17 more years of excuses will pass, yet another stack of good SA people will be murdered or raped & SA will only sink further into the abyss in a never ending spiral.
If the ANC simply cannot do this (or doesn't possess the competency) for SA then I'm sorry for my candidness but they seriously need to gtfo of SA....sorry, that the truth hurts.
As for Julius....why even ANC allows this to occur in SA society also speaks volumes as they cant blame whites for this malakia, like seriously!.
Finally, as an Aussie of Greek descent I really do love SA & wished I could visit again otherwise I'd write nothing about the topic.
Never heard Greek music in a sushi bar, Oh I did in Joburg SA!.
Love bands like Watershed & Craig W Hinds masterpiece "Indigo Girl", love those oranges of theirs watching the cricket at Wanderers stadium, love the SA parties & SA sense of humor (highveld stereo, you know exactly who I mean!), love SA braai, love proper SA biltong, love boerewors & carpaccio bok....pff this is such an injustice to see SA suffer needlesly like this.
SA brought us Elon Musk, the Nikola Tesla of the 21st century & we allow SA to sink like this, still!.
Sending my love and support also to SA UA-camrs ie Winston (goes without saying!), Kurt Kaz & so many more & thanks deeply so much Winston for sharing this as media/journos outside SA say nothing.
Peace out & stay awesome!
And now a third question... How does she think SA is doing these days with all the looting and fires and general apocalyptic shit going on?
probably forever and her kids and grandkids will think the same.
Forevermore
Just look in the US. They are still blaming the white people150 years later. It will never stop. Here or there.
Basically her stance is "Stop telling people of European descent to leave SA otherwise we won't have anyone to blame".
I think its more about the brain drain problem they have:
www.thesouthafrican.com/read-gov-to-limit-emigration-by-tracking-those-leaving-sa-for-more-than-three-months/
All the white people leaving would mean a lot of skilled people leaving. That would create a lot of problems. It would also mean a lot of companies and capital leaving despite the rather high cut of the later the government takes.
The loss of tax payers is having a serious effect .
Dumbest stuff I ever read
Now you become racist you know.
youknow ant ... I cant tell if you are objecting to G.M.A.s statement or the statement he referenced in quotes?
Without being rude to the lady I would sum this up as a perfect example of facts vs emotions and now after listening to the lady I completely understand what Winston was talking about in the video 'china saved my life' . These people basically use apartheid as an excuse for everything wrong happening right now in SA. The lady seems quite educated and if her thoughts are reflection of the educated black majority then god help SA.
This educated black South African woman seems not that educated at all, she still holds similar opinions as most black South Africans do. If the black people in SA cannt figure out their own issues and keep blaming others, this country will never be a safe and good place to live in.
Great comment so true
Yes. Its facts vs emotions bc its man vs woman. Talking two topics as always. Insightful.
What thoughts are you talking about, though? On one hand you say she's educated, right after you say, God help SA? You don't make any sense. It's obvious he hardly identifies as South African, he could give two s**ts about Africa and I doubt it's a recent change. You really think SA or any country is going to be improved by an ethnic group with outsider beliefs?
@@johnyankee6999 They're not well educated. A degree from a South African uni means nothing nowadays unfortunately
Who's watching this after the looting in July 2021?
The South African lady talking about the apartheid reminds me of some Algerian friends, always talking about the past, blaming French colonisation for everything in the present! Instead of taking full responsibility for the current state of the country! They basically use the history of French colonisation as a scapegoat!
Winston, you showed tremendous patience and didn't lose your composure with her. Congratulations. Sometimes there's no point in reasoning with a racist. She's definitely got a chip on her shoulder.
I don't think she's racist. I think she's just brainwashed and regurgitating everything she's heard a million times but never thought about rationally. I must say that I struggled keeping my patience with her, and I wasn't even there. I'm guessing you also sat facepalming every time she spoke. Lol.
She is a result of a racist society that began with oppression against blacks by whites you idiot.
@@handlesareweird she has obvious prejudice against Winston's skin color and accused him multiple times just for being white. She shows essence of racism.
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@@CJ-fs1zr The tides are turning
Extremely well-done Winston! You handled this discussion so well.
Why are you Israelis throwing out Africans? I thought Jews were all for Multiracial/Multiculturalism???
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I think you don’t know what ( Allah ) means.
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@@benvad9010 where did you hear this
"South africa is a young democracy..." sounds like a lame excuse
And so is South Korea. And Taiwan. LOL
@@chiyoko4244 The Republic of China - aka Taiwan - is a much younger democracy (~1995). South korea is a much older democracy (1979)
Watched this again after seeing it when it first came out over 2 years ago. Worth a second glance, and it maintains my regular appreciation of you and Laowhy86's vids. I am SO glad to have "met" you guys online, and how you relate to the world and realities. I myself lived and worked in Sweden for several years (probably still speak Swedish better than your Afrikaans), and then recently under Covid came back to the U.S. after living in Cork, Ireland for 24 years. It really gives one a different perspective when one has been a PART of a foreign culture for so long. Anyway, will always appreciate your vids and opinions.
Quite a spicy video. You handled yourself very well, stay awesome man.
So she's saying that she has a problem with you telling your side of the story of what you personally experienced?
Yes, she warned that it's dangerous to give his "WHITE" opinion and that he should STFU, because she's a black supremacist.
The whole interview is cringe worthy.
@@MrNopehaha smh
@@BosenPoker agreed
What we have here is a person from a majority telling the minority he doesn't have an opinion. SA is dead
This lady is the true meaning of delusional. SA has been in free fall since and it's getting worse.
.... And we are in the SECOND WEEK OF LOAD shedding.
These are the effects of corruption
Sweet girl but a bit deluded.
For instance she took your example about the two of you buying a farm completely into left field by saying she would have no special advantage because she has no farming experience. A completely redundant point as it's obvious you were talking about the insecurity you would face in potential confiscation due to race.
She is quite good at obfuscation of the true problems by side stepping.
It's not identical but seems like a close cousin to Chinese what aboutism.....
Anyway, good job at being civil. I was feeling less than patient hearing the excuses, but oh well
best comment, she was side stepping so much
I never made love to a black girl before.
@@TheEwanMC That's a generous interpretation. Too generous.
This chick works for the South African government? Very diplomatic conversation Winston.
Jacques Pasquinel no she is the REAL SOUTH AFRICAN NOT LIKE YOU
Winston is a gentleman, but I feel he is accommodating her because: 1. if the SA government stops his passport, he gets thrown out of china, 2. He is aware of threats to family back home if they dont like his position.
Shoot the boer
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Definitely a real south africa, blame apartheid and praise the anc. You can blame apartheid past mistakes but you cant blame anc past mistakes, like she said move on from jacob zuma and power cuts but you cannot move on from apartheid. Typical south african hypocrites.
The is a documentary made by Lauren Southern called "Farmlands" in South Africa, talking about the white genocide.
Serpentza, everything I heard her say , proved the point that you are correct.
“I don’t agree that the infrastructure in South Africa is failing.”
Also: “Load sharing was the specific reason why we had power outages.”
Sooooo, there’s not enough power to go around, and the load has to be shared at different times by different customers. That’s the very definition of insufficient infrastructure. She literally just torpedoed her own emotional argument.
I had to stop watching there. Her emotional cognitive dissonance was wasting my time and not teaching me anything about South Africa. Props to Winston for continuing on and further engaging the conversation.
Thank you!!
Because it went from shitty to less shitty, hopefully to resolve by 2020. Thus in her heart, she feels the statement made by serpentza isn't fair. Because it doesn't reflect the current situation. And some viewers will just have a prejudice that's based on old info.
Of course, her words used do suggest that she is trying to paint things are great now which isn't accurate either...lol
Yes, she does have some emotion that need to be addressed about the apartheid. It's like the "have nots" vs the "have nots-with opportunity".
Resenting the ones with opportunities equally isn't fair.
"People getting murdered is an issue" Makes it feel like she has a rather big disconnect to what is really happening in her Country of birth..
I would be outraged to see people get killed on a Farm, just because they are far away from the central Police Station. But to her it's "an issue".
So it's strange how she seems to feel that she is more right in her views than Serpentza is in his?
*This girl is Brainwashed. What a shame. Can't see the difference between criticizing bad politics and criticizing the country. She gets offended when facts are said*
Everett Your last name offends me. Delete it.
Who is the lady? An official of the S.A. government?
I was thinking the same thing...
If this is proven to be true, Mr. Snake may have broken his own rules of staying away from politics.
Staying away from politics is a difficult for anyone.
But it's just what he had stated in his previous videos, defending himself from criticism of smearing the image of China ...
He does appear to be trying to stay out of politics, That's all that matters right? I'm sure you'd enjoy the same kind of content from Chinese living abroad and the same sentiment would apply to them as well.
However it will be difficult for him to stay out of politics now that BRICS is becoming mainstream ( I believe it's China, Russia, South Africa, Brazil and perhaps someone else? )
So with each video he uploads, Please keep in mind that he may be thinking to himself that China supports the policies of the government that drove him out of his home, Aslong as he does not mention this perspective, Consider him "Staying out of politics" To a sufficient degree.
Winston this was an excellent interview. It was a difficult conversation but you carried on very well here. Perhaps we need to have these tough conversations if we're going to make improvements.
A nice lady. But I wonder how she feels about South Africa right about now.
"Jacob Zuma isn't relevant anymore, that was several months ago" "You are privileged because of apartheid" ??????????
this
Welcome to Social Justice.
Colonialism
Nez SecurityBlack - this this this... that woman is a walking contradiction.
South Africa is going down the drain. I've met tons of SA and one had to leave class cuz his uncle was just attacked with a machete at his house. Other SA I've met all talk about violence and lack of opportunities. This lady seems way off and politically sided.
Sorry, but she never disagreed about the violence. She even said she has been attacked several times
Yeah what she said is its getting better - I dont wanna imagine how it was when it was through the drain...
Her definition of "better" is "blacker".
【This lady seems way off and politically sided.】
Does it ever occur to you that this black lady might have a even tougher life story than Winston?
Maybe from her perspective/experience SA is getting better.
Winston grew up in a white neighborhood, and that environment is deteriorating indeed.
But that white neighborhood is not where she is from.
Winston does not share the same SA with that lady!
SA is 90% black and that is absolute majority.
From Winston's perspective, he is absolutely right to move on from SA. When wealth and ethnicity is so unevenly distributed, nothing good can come from it.
She looks like someone who would preach about white science and it being racist
this is a great example of how a debate should happen. Kudos to Winston and Anna! I come from Brazil and sadly many of the issues raised here happen there as well
I'm glad the two of you were able to have such a civil conversation.
I don't think she was listening very well.
It was interesting her speaking of the: 8:43
apartheid system- a policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race.
saying it was scary, and to never go back there...
BUT...
Didn't SA just vote a discriminating law into effect, that allows the government to remove farms from whites? Seems SA is going back to an apartheid system... not progress.
She then makes the argument that she would have less of an advantage, because she lacks knowledge of working a farm??? Isn't that what the internet is for???????????????????????????
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@Reach 3D Printers : Some people are terrible at generalizing.
She probably think this is an entirely different situation because skin colors were switched...
A bit like a young child that can sum 2 apples + 2 apples, but is completely lost if you ask him to sum 2 + 2 ...
Han Onyme, we are a jaded bunch, us humans. Always the victim when it benefits us. :)
I believe the only "privilege" that any population may have over another, is knowledge and drive...
Drive is imparted by the parents, by demanding responsibility for a child's actions and responsibility for their own future. I was taught that if I wanted ANYTHING in life, I shouldn't count on anyone except myself to get it. Work within the confines of the law and be careful what you promise so you can keep your word.
Knowledge is freely available, unlike EVER before in human history. The internet IS the library of Alexandria. With a little drive, you will thirst for knowledge and become successful.
I am privileged in the fact that my parents taught me RESPONSIBILITY... thus a drive for knowledge.
Reach 3D Printers she was listening only to the point of making her point of blaming the past for current political and infrastructure ills.
She is an attractive educated BLACK WOMAN playing the part of a victim no matter what her personal financial economic condition is.
She will raise her future children to be victims of apartheid no matter what their economic condition is as well.
The Whites that remain will always be pointed at as the reason a single black person is failing in society.
If the Whites united to TAKE control the UN would sanction a murderfest against any such group. If a single White community begins to thrive; the ANC followers will terrorize them, kill them, destroy their community.
I know such a family who were terrorized for about 8 days. The Blacks came to their rural farm; raped the woman in front of her husband, made him rape his own wife then after about 6 days he and she was drinking beer with the blacks and everyone was taking turns on the woman. Then; the blacks left. Leaving the everyone alive but the Whites were destroyed as a family. Their 9 year old daughter was forced/ encouraged to watch from day one then she also participate in these sex orgies by day 8.
Now; they screwed and partied to save their lives but that does not go away. The police did nothing as no one was beat up or stabbed or killed. They blamed the White guy for picking the wrong friends. Because he and she and the daughter also spoke Africons so; they lived.
The Woman moved to the US with her daughter leaving her husband and told me all about this with her daughter; now 14 present. The Woman also blamed her husband after the fact.
She was a victim and her daughter will probably grow up to be a victim. They are white but it seems everyone loves to play the roll of the victim. They become entitled to being recognized as the victim.
She was just talking the same race based talking points I hear all the time on a variety of issues. She uses race when it suits her , like when she said he was privileged, and when he brought up the farms she then of course denied she would be in a better situation because she wasnt white if she bought one. this angle is just a tired old go-to argument some people use.
Well she got her chance to speak. mostly just said a bunch of nonsense.
She doe not want the real truth to go out. It is obvious. I have seen similar behavior of people in Cuba.
4 years later it would appear that the situation is even worse
Hi, Winston, Starting watching your videos half an year ago, you have become my role model of life.
The structure of this conversation is exactly same as one of the conversation between Japanese and neighboring people like Chinese.
I am from Japan and I think that We are only people in the world who can speak for White South African‘s suffering without blaming you guys in racism context, because we are in very similar situation to yours where both we and you are young generation who has been blamed for what happened before or almost before we were born.
White South African are human being like black South African are and have their own suffering in their lives, which should not be ignored for his race, the history and the social situation.
Even in 2018 and 2019, a certain country neighboring to Japan is doing exactly the same as what Zimbabwe did to White Zimbabweans.(Look up with google.)
I have been to South Africa and White South African I met were really nice and made me wonder why such nice people to me could do bad things to other people.
I mean oppressors anywhere are not born to be evil but situation and time surrounding them can make themselves to be both nice and evil.
Then I thought that the world is in the phase where people who used to be oppressed in the past should not blame the next generations whose parents or grand parents used to be oppressors because in the first world, those who used to oppress admit their past faults, apologized at least, tried to change minds not to discriminative to their counterparts to restart a new relationship.
I don’t mean that the past should be ignored and be justified but now is the turn where people whose parents or grand parents used to be oppressed in discriminative and awful way get over the past and history for nice future.
The social problem like wealth gap can be traced back to the history but we have to know that the past history is not a tool to continue blaming somebody from the ethical standpoint that nobody can avoid with today’s sense of humanity.
Wow, that was actually very hard to watch, if only because this lady has her head in the sand. Kudos to you, Winston, for keeping your cool, because for me this would've been an unbelievably frustrating conversation; just spinning tires in mud.
Jesus it gets even worse, wtf is this “you would have an advantage with your farm because your parents are good at farming” 😂😂 missing the point there a bit I think...
I thought that was a huge miss as well. Sad! She had to think for a minute to come up with this.
Its funny, they didn't start out by knowing how to farm.
Because she’s gifted with an IQ70
@@benvad9010 I beg to differ, now let me turn this conversation around in a circle. African has done nothing wrong, we are peaceful people.
@@Ghost572 Yea, its why all people are getting murdered and burned right?
it hurts to see how nice and polite Winston is to this person.
JA, "THIS PERSON" WOW RACISM OUT HERE. RACE SQUAD RYT HERE
It warms my heart. My admiration for him is increased.
@@Man-P Radicalized and brain-washed people will read "racism" into literally anything. 🙄🤦♀️ "This person" is a neutral term and not rude in how it is used here, it is also not race-specific in any which way.
she speaks like a politician. points being made by serentza followed by just excuses by this lady but i will say she was very polite and well spoken and was overall an interesting conversation between 2 people who disagree. a rare thing these days
Winston: Here's a problem in S. Africa.
Anna: Yes, but.
That's called discussion and nuance. The world isn't black and white. That may be too complicated for you.
Good call @Cornland Wasteland
Winston, you are the logical one here. I wish this lady was as down to earth and reasonable as you. You handled this gracefully, well done
im impressed you kept your cool with this bigot
Wow.. Did not expect a heartfelt indication from you on this comment @serpentza..
This is why racism will never end. The pendulum of oppression never stops swinging. Everyone always wants vengeance.
Why do I think your comment sounds bigoted?
This aged well for her arguments...
Sarcasm is not always so obvious
It's so rare to see unfiltered conversations like this. Thank you for having a vulnerable conversation and then sharing it.
And I just want to add that you both were very well spoken.
Love your videos, man! I'm a South African living in Japan and I also fear ever returning to SA to try and live there. I don't think I've once disagreed with your assessment of things regarding SA and I hope you keep on telling it like it is and not as your guest would like it to be.
I wonder if her perspective on South Africa has changed with the recent riots.
According to her behavior, she probably joined the rioters.
You said the infrastructure was crumbling. You asked "Have you ever seen the power go out in China". She didn't really have any rebuttal to what you were saying, just an excuse. "The power does not go out as frequentely as it used to". It seems for that point you were spot on, she sort of helped you make your point. Also she seems to be a little racist, because you white were you couldn't have possibly struggled? I'm also not sure how she thought you were boasting about your fathers time and how he would have been privileged. The way you were speaking, to me it sounded like you were just trying to make a point. I think she's a little upset that a white person is being critical of South Africa. "You always have your Indian friend, bring him here". What is she talking about?I think you bringing her on, giving her an outlet is a very brave thing. You didn't have to do that. At the same time I don't think she was able to help her case. If anything she made it appear as if you were correct.
serpentza, you have an INCREDIBLE amount of patience...
He is on camera so off course.
His time in China has taught him that.
Yes say whatever you want about him but this interview showed that he is a pretty classy person he never lost patience with her
Respects
It's painfull to watch this video.
She's probably not a bad person, but seems very indoctrinated.
Oh please lady, today's SA government has had 25 years to rebuild the electrical infastructure. That's a quarter of a century. Let's not trick each other... Its getting worst now my lady.
This is great man, bloody great dialogue. A mind like yours and hers, openness is what, conversations, without emotions is what South Africa needs
This is something that happens way too little in todays media... An actual conversation between individuals in which both are able to speak their mind and finish without interruption or sensationalist escalations. I want to applaude the both of you for having the courage to pick up the conversation and have it in such civilized manner.
oh god, she had to bring up identity politics.
lol exactly
I don’t think it’s possible not to when it comes to South Africa. Apartheid followed those uneducated people being promoted to senior positions would fuck up any country.
Saganator cx spot on. And apartheid being the root cause of all the current problems
Grant Weir You don't know the first thing about Apartheid. Go spend a few weeks (at least) researching it before talking.
zero surprise there.
Lol you should've got her to say 'STAY AWESOME WHATEVER COLOR YOU ARE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL FROM THE HUMAN RACE.'
the fact that she dropped privilege, and race at almost every chance she could get shows there's no real conversation to be had. Sounds like she went to an American college.
Why is this woman trying to deconstruct your identity and denigrate your lived experience?
She asked SerpentZA an open question. Which means he could have answered it anyway he wished. He chose to mostly mention European influences and identity. He chose not to include anything African or South African in terms of culture in his answer. This was clearly his choice.
SHE IS SA SPECIAL AGENT! DONT U GET IT?
The use of accusations of White Privilege to elicit guilt is a learned power play. If you don't provide any positive basis on which to shame you, your failure to disavow your privilege (or, in this case, the Apartheid system) with sufficient vigor will do nicely.
It was a civil conversation overall, but a pointed one. Rather than simply respond to his earlier statements with facts such as the reduction in power outages, she felt at liberty to bring in neo-marxist dialectics to try to establish moral superiority. Some people do this with aggressive intent, but in her case I think it was a reflexive defense mechanism, to compensate for nervousness or insecurity.
You get red-pilled when you realize white Europeans are the least racist, most accommodating and most generous and yet most hated in the world.
Looking back, I can't nail down exactly when making statements that are racist toward Caucasians/Europeans became not just not shameful but virtuous, but I for one have run out of patience with the lack of perspective and abject ignorance of reality and history that it reflects.
is she running for mayor or something?
Her crony relatives are embezzling whatever they can and that’s how her jaunt to Beijing is paid for.
Lol
Lol dying 😂
I think I’ll be scared to go to South Africa just as I’m scared as hell to go to East New York.
Am not from SA, but have been following your channel. I respect both yours & your guest's views. I am also happy that this lady now has the opportunities which her previous generations have not experienced just because of the colour of their skin.
I love your channel for your thoughts on various things. Your views are quite balanced.
How can she put the blame of infrastructure on Apartheid. All infrastructure was built by the Apartheid Government. Once the ANC came into rule, they stopped infrastructure development and maintenance had no priority while millions of households were being linked up to it. Money disappeared and still does in wasteful expenditure. It took 14 years before we ran out of power. The power crisis which started in 2008 has killed so many industries that SA is using less power today than it did before the power crisis started and we had another power shortage only a few months ago. No new dams were built since 1994 and Cape Town got by for over 20 years. Apartheid was wrong and unfair, but you cannot blame the infrastructure on it.
The ANC government is going out of its way to keep poor people poor so they can blame it on Apartheid and white people.
Anti-Marxsist ZA maybe the apartheid system created so much imbalance between the poor and the rich white and black that all of the country's money had to be spent trying to addressed that to prevent total collapse or even violence that could lead to lead to civil war
"China saved my Life" is what got me looking at youtube videos on South Africa. It's all there for people to make up there own mind. Interesting that she feels the need to tell you to be more balanced. She might consider taking her own advice. Only my opinion.
And here we are today.....
But all honesty, this is how a discussion between two adults should be. An exchange of view points, opinions and equal flow of energy without the need of overpowerment and shutdown.
I saw the entire video and I highly enjoyed the respectful conversation between the two of you, even though you two have differing opinions. I think that's the important message of this video is that if you have a different view or outlook than someone else you can still try to debate peaceful without shouting at one another.
So many excuses, very little responsibility. Just think about how much China has changed since 1994.
And sa has the same ideology as china 👏🏽
Good point! It shows what capitalism can do vs socialism/communism. They may be communist but the economy is not.
yes and now it is backfiring on the anc because they are at a point where we have to gain economic power again and implement reform for all South Africans
China isn't communist in the least. They're totalitarian but they understand that a certain amount of economic freedom is necessary.
end of the day China is assisting Africa as a whole plus we are apart of brics as South Africa which is a very great thing
This woman is a perfect example of moral relativism.
And low IQ.
Not really. Moral relativism is about metaethics, not about not being judgemental about others actions. It just has to do with the origins and nature of goodness and badness.
Like if you believed morality was objective then you would have to prove the origins of morality objectively. Like can you derive morals from nature, or can you derive them like a platonic solid.
Moral relativism would say that morality is structural or morality is utility. That's not to say that structural or utility morals are worthless, but they are not objective and thusly subject to change based on its utility or time.
“I want to have my cake and eat it too.” Then I DO NOT want to accept RESPONSIBILITY if something goes wrong.🙅🏿♀️
Is this MORAL RELATIVISM………………………………………………………….or CHILDISHNESS, IMMATURITY, SELF-INTEREST and SELFISHNESS!?🧐
🎓There are two types of practical moral relativism: individual and cultural. Individual moral relativism is the idea that values vary from person to person and each person has their own valid set of morals. There is no concept of correct moral principles; everything is based on what an individual desires.
The problem with individual moral relativism is that it lacks a concept of guiding principles of right or wrong. “One of the points of morality is to guide our lives, tell us what to do, what to desire, what to object to, what character qualities to develop and which ones not to develop,” said Jensen. If morality is already based on personal desire, he continued, there is no way to distance oneself from a situation to find a truly objective moral ground and make a decision based on what is right.
Cultural relativism suggests that a “culture has various standards and those constitute morality.” This viewpoint solves the guidance problem, but also raises the issue that most people identify with several different cultures which could have oppositional values. There is also the issue of tolerance. While thinkers of cultural relativism are clear that it is wrong to impose one’s own cultural values over another, some cultures hold a central value of intolerance.
An example given by Jensen was religious extremist groups. In those cases, groups often have a moral principle of destroying cultures that are different than theirs, thus unseating the notion that cultural relativism is always tolerant. For tolerance to be a true part of cultural relativism, Jensen explained, “tolerance has to be regarded as a universal moral value” which makes it no longer relative.🎓
@@ZacharyBittner How much did you pay to be proud of not understanding a very simple concept?
Moral relativism - Philosophical positions about the differences in moral judgments across peoples and cultures.
You don't even have to look it up in a dictionary. Do you know what morals are? Do you know what relative means? Wow, look at that.
"thusly" lmao. We're all sooooo impressed.
Meta-ethics* is concerned with the nature of ethical theories and moral judgments. It's very broad term in which moral relativism is a proposed answer to one of the many questions derived from meta-ethics.
@@chungboislim2061 You are so right! :D Trying to sound so intellectual by saying absolutely nothing of substance. So cringe
Her: "Emotions"
Him: "facts"
Her: proving his point😣
He should no from his experience talking about china. That people are overly emotional. Big of him to keeps trying to talking to her. This makes me have more confidence in all his videos!
Would be fun to hear her perspective now 4 years later, I have mad respect for people that adapts to the situation and change their mind when the facts are irrefutable.
To me South Africa is just a version of a kleptocracy.
Wow I live in South Africa and she's a bit mis-informed on the facts. One the murder rate increased 11% since last year, it's crazy violent here (57 murders a day). Eskom the state power agency is going to go bankrupt next year and the Chinese are going to buy it, god knows what that going to happen then. Also if you live in the city infrastructure is good, but if you go to the rural parts most of the municipalities are going bankrupt (I lived in Estcourt, now bankrupt). In terms of privilege and opportunity, I think it's crazy we now allow the marginalization of any group based on the notion of privilege. It's skews the debate into crazy town. You could argue that this lady is privileged in South Africa, 5% of children are orphans and she had a mother. You just start arguing into crazy circles.
But this is the problem; South Africans argue pointlessly in circles one side trying to site facts and the other side making some debate about human right, etc. etc. Meanwhile no jobs, no water, no power, government stealing, government going bankrupt. Then they point fingers because solving problems requires work and effort and South Africans are lazy so it's easier to pass the blame than fix things which require action.
Serpent you weren't being 100% sensationalist maybe only 50%. I think if were fair the future elections are the EFF's to lose. not saying they will win 2019 but the future is theirs for the taking.
At least in the future when China owns South Africa, Winston will be able to secure himself a great government gig.
"and the Chinese are going to buy it, god knows what that going to happen then." You'll get a stable supply of electricity.
The chinese generally structure a lot of these things as debt, for example countries like Zamiba have gone into massive debt defaulted on that debt from the Chinese (Also for power stations). Then randomly give up bits of the country... the long term economic effects are not always positive, but I hope for the best
When I get a loan from a bank and fail to pay them for my mortgage, the bank takes my house. That's because I failed to pay the bank. I fail to see why countries defaulting on their repayments from loans that they've willingly took somehow makes China the big bad scary wolf. This is just business as usual.
"South Africa won't turn into Zimbabwe because it isn't landlocked"....LOL
Yeah, thats the only reason Rhodes.... i mean Zimbabwe failed. Its not like they were ever the breadbasket of Africa anyway /s
Serpentza doesn't have strong comebacks though like: "You mean like those impoverished landlocked states Austria and Switzerland?"
Venezuela isn't land locked and look at the state of it now ahahahaha
Maybe she meant that South Africa, unlike Zimbabwe, has ports so they can receive emergency supplies and food from the EU, US, Japan and the UN after the ANC destroys the country.
As a US citizen living in a country that is trillions in debt I don't want to see us donating anything to some $hithole country that has run itself into the ground while blaming apartheid.
I would like to know her opinion today
Great video! Love to see more videos on Africa! I spent 7 years living and working in Zimbabwe. Being a white foreigner I can definitely identify with these issues. Thanks again!