Why Rotate Tires and What is the OPTIMAL way ?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- What is the correct way to rotate your 4x4 tires, or optimal way, if you like, have you ever thought of that?
For some reason I haven't done that until last week, as I thought I should rotate my tires this weekend, as next weekend I will be doing another 1000k km round trip.
What do you think is the correct, proper or optimal way to rotate your non directional 4x4 AT or MT tires?
Let me know in the comment section, I would love to hear and learn if there is a better way.
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Do YOU rotate your tires? And how do you do it? 🤔
Frankly, no. Best goes to the rear. If a new pair is required, the new ones go to the rear, old rear ones to the front.
And with your Coopers, once in a while check your inner sidewalls. As you might remember mine blow up at 110kph, on the rear. Big split directly at the bead.
@@Christian76S Okay, may I ask way, is there no need?
And which tires are you using?
@@Christian76S I will put that on my todolist when I rotate or change to winter/summer tires. Very good point!
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1st: the better profile (tread depth) needs to go to the rear for an improved ability to displace water. Cause the rear axle is what guides the vehicle in its tracks.
2nd: Compare the swap of tires to grating down a piece of Parmigiano: you're turning it, changing sides, to grate it down faster. Right? Now imagine what happens to sawtooth of you change the main rotation direction by swapping them to the other side: wear and noise gets even worse.
Hence I retain the sides, but better profile goes to the rear.
With my BF Goodrich KO2 tyres they get very noisy if you rotate conventionally due to lug stepping. Much quieter if you rotate as a directional tyre but they won’t last as long (though I did get 120,000km out of my last set so can’t complain.
Hey, that's great info, the noise factor. I went for a test drive yesterday and hour after changing the tires and it felt noisy, but it was raining heavily so could be a factor. I will do a test drive when it drys up and see.
After well into the second season with my STmaxx I definitely have noticed more road noice. And on really slow turns, on almost full lock, I can feel the outer lugs really well. Like when backing into my driveway.
120k km is great. I hope to get 60-80k km and then I will be happy. 4 -5 season and 80k km is good I think. The rubber get's old quick after that.
The KO2 was the top competitor agains my current setup and will probably be on the top next time. I would love to test out the Nokian Outpost tire just to see how much better it is to drive on longer trips. My winter tires is just a dream to drive with, easy and so smooth. 👌
@@LandRoverDrive I think they will be the new KO3 when you get to look at them. KO2 has issues with sidewall cracking on 60 profiles and less (related to running on lower pressure and sidewalls overheating). KO3 they are trying to reduce this.
@@snorris89 Yeah, you are probably right. They launched them a while back. I haven't seen them in Norway yet.
60 profile, I think I will go for the same size as I have for winter, 245/70R17, so nice to drive and feels like the car loves them much more as well.
They roll easier, they drive true without any tracking.
I'm tempted to go up to 245/75R17, which is just at the limit of what I'm allowed to have on my car, but again, the 70 profile is fits much better with the gearing.
Only thing is the 70 vs 75 profile has a lower load rating, with the 75 you get 121.
But KO3 will be on the top of the list for sure, I haven't really heard anyone having big issue with the KO2, so much be a good tire. :)
Need new winter tires first, won't come cheap so hopefully I have good 3-4 seasons on the summers left. 😅
@@LandRoverDrive tyre wall cracking has been an issue in Australia on 265/60r18 which is my size. The r17 sizes would do better as the tyre wall to width ratio is closer. K02 side walls are super strong but that comes with reinforcement that will heat up if flexed so they are sensitive to low tyre pressures at highway speeds. I think the lr recommended pressures are too low for these tyre constructions.
@@snorris89 Nice info, and I think your tires have it a bit harder than up here in Norway, with the intense heat you see down there and sun exposure over time.
When it comes to tire pressure I usually at 40 psi on the summer set, trying to avoid side wall sag as much as possible. It's a heavy car and on the General Grabbers AT2 I had, they got really soft in the end.
I guess it will be a bit more noise but the D3 is not noisy at all, so worth it I belive.
I feel the STmaxx's has sagged a bit since new, but I guess it is to be expected. Why I try to find the tire with the highest load rating that I can within legal speck. +-5% of original size is the rule in Norway.
And Australia, Every Norwegian overlander dreams of driving there.
I generally turn on my vehicle, engage forward or reverse and sit back and let the engine rotate those buggers like nobody’s business.
Hehehe, my preferred way as well, as I'm getting older, but some times I like to go a bit crazy and mix it up a bit. 😂
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For my non directional Duratrac tyres i swap front left to rear right and front right to rear left. I have never introduced my spare into the rotation which I probably should because when I changed brands to the duratracs I now have an unused Cooper Xeon Ltz tyre as my spare, which bugs me because I've never been happy with mxing tyre brands.
Yeah, makes sense to do it that way with four, you get a bit of both sides and a bit of front and rear.
It’s maybe overkill to do a double cross, but then again, every tire gets all the type of wear. If that makes sense.
This set of tires that I have on is my first set to be a complete set of five, so understand where you’re coming from.
I had the original 19” underneath the car as a spare for 8 years. 😅
If you can match the size with your spare I wouldn’t bother changing it out, but if it’s far off it might be worth it if you end up using it at some point.
Tyres are getting so ridiculously expensive that a spare is what I call luxury item at this point. 😂
@LandRoverDrive yes I agree with what you've done. Makes sense 👌
Luckily the cooper is the same size 255/55 R19.
Yes, good tyres are expensive! More so in NZ.
I have never had a flat tyre yet and hope not to in the future 🤞 so yes, does seem like a luxury, but is a must have when going remote, even though I carry tyre goo in a can and a tyre plug kit.
@LandRoverDrive I got rid of the spare under the car as I could not imagine emptying my boot in pooring rain to access the spare tyre 😅
NZ, nice, looks so beautiful there. 😊 And bit better climate than here.
And yeah, would want a spare as well. Same size, I would run with that.
I haven’t had a puncture yet neither, but I always like to be on the safe side of things. Especially if the family is on board.
I would like a spare for winter but as I figured out today making this video, I would need two for rotation to work correctly. 😅 Double expensive.
Wouldn’t be a big problem having just one as it would be more than good enough to make it to safety or back home.
I probably could use one of my old ones as a spare no problem. 💡😊
You reminded me that I need to get some tire plugs. 👍
Hehe, my winch lift broke, so I have been going on trips with the spare safely stored in my garage. 😂😂
Spare carrier at the rear would be nice but I’m at the weight limit soon. 😅
On AWD vehicles front to rear and that's it
Okay, why only front to rear and not cross rotate on AWD? 🤔
@LandRoverDrive well I said AWD, because front tires also pull, when I had my first Range Rover, a 93 Classic, I noticed tread life significantly lost if I cross rotated
@@CristianZamora I will try to monitor my tires from now on and see if I will notice more wear because of the cross rotating.
And 93 classic, very nice, what I would give to drive a classic tomorrow to work. 😊👌
@LandRoverDrive since front wheels are also driven, the inner steel belts get used to that torque load, swapping sides reverses that torque load and weakens the belts causing tire sag and higher wear on outer treads... this is what an old mechanic at the Land Rover dealer in Memphis told me
Aaah, thank you for this, that is awesome information, I haven’t thought of that.
The inside structural part of the tire could weaken due to the change of torque direction.
Hmm, I need to do even more research, and maybe hear what Cooper tires has to say about this. 🤓
I would guess wrong or too low pressure, off-road driving and other stuff would have an impact as well to the internals of the tire, and therefore add to the wear factor of a tire.
My tires see mostly tarmac and gravel roads so an even use pattern.