I'm curious. Can you cite a Catholic author or a Pope who said the equivalent of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? I've heard many argue that this is not at all a Catholic or Christian idea.
"As St. Ambrose put it: “You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich.” (Blessed Paul VI, On the Development of Peoples [Populorum Progressio], no. 23) One should note that ability and need are not disconnected. A person with gifts for art might be given gold and marble such that they can create good art for example. Apologies if I have misunderstood your point.
I don't have quotes, but this makes me think of Virtue. When a Catholic grows in virtue/talent/capacity, it is ultimately to serve those who lack said virtue/talent/capacity. Like a father who have the capacity of an adult, and who uses that capacity to take care of his children who don't have that capacity. Or when a doctor makes use of his knowledge of medicine to cure the sick who cannot cure himself due to his lack of knowledge and ability. So we must not reduce this idea to merely taxes and money, but see it as a larger hierarchy of charity. The marxist idea in question is an imperfect understanding of this Christian concept.
I would love to see more of an exploration of Catholic/Christian socialism here; I'm not sure why it's devoted solely to a Marxist interpretation. I think the first thirty-ish minutes of description are really good, only to shoehorn a very specific interpretation of socialism utterly opposed to charity. That's an interesting argument, but it seems to me that many socialists (especially anarcho-socialists) would ideally enjoy and agree with a society based on subsidiarity and charity, even if initially they would desire to use the nation state to implement equity as best they could. Full disclosure, I'm a huge fan of Dorothy Day and the Catholic Left. I would really appreciate a video where you interact with some more recent thinkers who are interested in exploring the space between socialism and Catholicism.
Pope John Paul II frequently called for sharing-based economics, and redistribution of wealth. The U.S. Conference of Bishops also passed resolutions calling for redistribution.
I think this is for the most part a smart view of socialism/communism. But i would push back about how "it failed every time it's been tried" Cuba has a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate than the USA, also since the start of the century less people have died in hurricanes in Cuba than the US despite being poorer and hit harder and even when you compare it to Puerto rico it's much worse, Cuba even offered to send aid to new Orleans after hurricane Katrina but bush said no. Or have the easter block if socialism was so bad you'd expect things to get better after switching to capitalism even if capitalism has its own problems, but we see the opposite suicides go up and alcoholism go up. That's not to say there aren't issues, but we should learn from them, like a lot of the wealth of capitalist economies got started with things like slavery, most socialists don't want to copy exactly the USSR but improve on it. Cuba is still a third world country but I'd rather live there than a capitalist 3rd especially if i didn't have the wealth of a 1st worlder like expats.
@@NewPolityPodcast yes i have seen it, and i know the problems with capitalism, my issues was the "every time socialism has been tried it has failed" because unless i missed the part where you said "every time capitalism has been tried it has failed" because yes socialism has it problems but objectively unless you are rich life would be better under socialism than capitalism, what do you mean by failing that wouldn't apply to capitalism also? this video was actually the best explanation of socialism by a catholic because it actually was correctly.
Fantastic. Comment for traction.
I'm curious. Can you cite a Catholic author or a Pope who said the equivalent of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? I've heard many argue that this is not at all a Catholic or Christian idea.
I also don't agree that's its what happens in a family
"As St. Ambrose put it: “You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich.” (Blessed Paul VI, On the Development of Peoples [Populorum Progressio], no. 23)
One should note that ability and need are not disconnected. A person with gifts for art might be given gold and marble such that they can create good art for example.
Apologies if I have misunderstood your point.
I don't have quotes, but this makes me think of Virtue. When a Catholic grows in virtue/talent/capacity, it is ultimately to serve those who lack said virtue/talent/capacity. Like a father who have the capacity of an adult, and who uses that capacity to take care of his children who don't have that capacity. Or when a doctor makes use of his knowledge of medicine to cure the sick who cannot cure himself due to his lack of knowledge and ability.
So we must not reduce this idea to merely taxes and money, but see it as a larger hierarchy of charity. The marxist idea in question is an imperfect understanding of this Christian concept.
@@kingofmaglos3 that has nothing to do with ability or need
Probably St. Oscar Romero
I would love to see more of an exploration of Catholic/Christian socialism here; I'm not sure why it's devoted solely to a Marxist interpretation. I think the first thirty-ish minutes of description are really good, only to shoehorn a very specific interpretation of socialism utterly opposed to charity. That's an interesting argument, but it seems to me that many socialists (especially anarcho-socialists) would ideally enjoy and agree with a society based on subsidiarity and charity, even if initially they would desire to use the nation state to implement equity as best they could.
Full disclosure, I'm a huge fan of Dorothy Day and the Catholic Left. I would really appreciate a video where you interact with some more recent thinkers who are interested in exploring the space between socialism and Catholicism.
Capitalism is not Catholic either.
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Pope John Paul II frequently called for sharing-based economics, and redistribution of wealth. The U.S. Conference of Bishops also passed resolutions calling for redistribution.
I think this is for the most part a smart view of socialism/communism. But i would push back about how "it failed every time it's been tried" Cuba has a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate than the USA, also since the start of the century less people have died in hurricanes in Cuba than the US despite being poorer and hit harder and even when you compare it to Puerto rico it's much worse, Cuba even offered to send aid to new Orleans after hurricane Katrina but bush said no. Or have the easter block if socialism was so bad you'd expect things to get better after switching to capitalism even if capitalism has its own problems, but we see the opposite suicides go up and alcoholism go up. That's not to say there aren't issues, but we should learn from them, like a lot of the wealth of capitalist economies got started with things like slavery, most socialists don't want to copy exactly the USSR but improve on it. Cuba is still a third world country but I'd rather live there than a capitalist 3rd especially if i didn't have the wealth of a 1st worlder like expats.
Have you checked out our Liberalism and Libertarianism are not Catholic episode? We address capitalism there, it seems that you would appreciate it.
@@NewPolityPodcast yes i have seen it, and i know the problems with capitalism, my issues was the "every time socialism has been tried it has failed" because unless i missed the part where you said "every time capitalism has been tried it has failed" because yes socialism has it problems but objectively unless you are rich life would be better under socialism than capitalism, what do you mean by failing that wouldn't apply to capitalism also? this video was actually the best explanation of socialism by a catholic because it actually was correctly.