2 YEAR FOLLOW-UP to Toilet Flange Fix / Also, Compare Different Toilet Seals
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Previously, I made a video showing my toilet flange fix. It was a rusty, off-level and unsupported toilet flange. I went far and above what anyone would normally do to fix it, but in the comments I was told by professional plumbers that I didn't repair it correctly. Maybe they were right. In this video, I pull up my toilet two years later to see if my flange repairs held up. Who was right - the DIY guy or the professionals? I also compare various rubber toilet seals to find one that's right for my project. Besides plain wax rings, the brands include Danco HydroCap, HydroSeat, Perfect Seal, as well as Fluidmaster Better Than Wax and Sani Seal.
Skip ahead with time stamps, if preferred:
00:01 - Intro / setup for video.
01:41 - Disassemble the toilet.
02:18 - Pull toilet / reveal results from two years ago.
03:22 - Preparation for a redo.
04:10 - Compare various toilet seal products.
10:44 - Prepare toilet seal product of my choice and set toilet.
12:28 - Commentary about plumber's advice.
13:02 - Pull up toilet (again) and inspect the performance of the new rubber toilet ring product.
13:38 - Adapt the product for final use.
14:44 - Final commentary - What's the deal with toilet engineers? New toilet ideas.
16:07 - Mention of upcoming videos / sign off. - Навчання та стиль
One thing my Dad taught me that he was truly right about is that just because you're not a professional at doing diy projects doesn't mean you can't do a better job than professionals . I've seen some so called professionals do pretty sloppy work.
I agree, with tons of how to videos on youtube and personal experience by the old timers I manage to find a solution. My mom always encouraged me to learn from the older heads and pick their brain. Good thing is youtube has some of those mentors like Essential Craftsman etc. I do a combo of learning from my elders + youtube videos.. i personally believe if there is somethinf that needs a repair youtube has a video for it.. im not that old (38) but im used to passed along knowledge but youtube specfic videos have saved my butt..
No kidding. I'm an amateur but even I have done better plumbing work than the "professional" plumbers in my area. Granted there are only 2 of them in my area and both of them suck. One of them busted holes in an elderly man's brick wall to run a vent pipe for a washing machine & didn't even seal or patch around the hole on the exterior. He also only ran the pipe up a few couple feet and slapped an AAV on it. AAVs aren't even allowed by my state's plumbing code. And this is an exterior vent! When he did the other drain pipes he had the customer's grandson dig the trenches but then charged for digging even though he never touched a shovel and he just slapped the pipes into the trenches without any slope and left them sticking out of the ground (he didn't set them all the way down into the trench). I almost hired that guy but after that I would never let him touch a project at my house. The other guy won't sweat copper (which I admit I won't do either) and rushes jobs & doesn't care if he leaves a mess in a customer's yard or house. He didn't even bring the right equipment to do the job & had to use our wire hangers (got mad last time he came out bc he used up the last of our hangers & we don't have anymore and they don't sell them in the area). Doublecharged for literally 2 minutes of cleaning a drain because he was mad that he showed up a day early without calling first & my disabled mother had trouble getting to the door-- the kicker is, he saw her come out but because it took her so long to answer he left anyway and charged us for that visit. After that I learned to snake drains myself.
You should move to an area that has more plumbers
He's lucky he has 2! We only have 1 where I live. Granted he is awesome and does great work. We also don't have any handymen who aren't strung out so I'm looking at having to do everything myself if I want it done halfway decently. I sit here watching videos about the product I already bought to fix my toilet which started leaking lol. Glad the product I chose is the one people seem to like and use.
Kevin Sorenson. Back in '03 I was building a small work shop. I did the framing, insulation and all the sheet rock work but before the insulation and rock, I asked the electrical inspector if a DIYer could do the wiring and save a ton of money. He said yes as long as it was code. So I bought a bunch of romex, switches and recepticals and spent a week mapping out where I wanted stuff. When I was nearing the end of the project, I called for an early inspection as the dept suggusted. He pointed out a minor few things that needed to be corrected. About 3 weeks later after I was sure everything was up to code, he came back and told me for an amateur, I had done a first class job, better than some pros, in fact. He signed the job off and I had power the next day to where I could work nights putting in insulation and rock. The days were just to damn hot to work in. Plumbing isn't usually my thing but the wife needs a new more modern toilet, so I guess I will try it. If Joe the Plumber can do it, I guess I can too. Cheers, my friend. Bob
Professionals are trained to do the most cost effective installations that are up to CODE. DIYers have more investment into their projects and benefit from overkill because they are already saving money from not hiring a pro. Just because it is above an beyond CODE, doesnt mean it is wrong. Remember that installation CODE is the bare minimum that must be followed by law. You did a great job that will last as long or longer than any pro. Dont listen to internet trolls. A+ for taking the time to do a rock solid install.
Thanks for the comment. That is the perfect analysis of the situation.
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I second motion this comment!..
Some so called professionals are nothing more than cash grabbing hacks. There is cutting corners responsibly and then there is doing substandard work to cram in more calls.
I'm a plumber,and your 100% right in the fact of there's more then one way to skin a cat. But I say you did an excellent job. I'd shake your hand and say well done mate.
Dude, you're a plumber, skip the handshake bro. lol
@@garybonz Also, there's a pandemic. Do elbow bump instead.
@@garybonz That's some funny shit right there.
ditto
😂@@JasonEMoustakas
Stumbled onto your video; I rarely comment. As a professional plumber I enjoyed your video and would agree, social media is full of Monday morning quarterbacks and "experts" there to tell you how you did it wrong. As a homeowner who cares, and is willing to put in the work/effort, you can sometimes do a better job than someone you might pay. Now to your repair; I noticed you are very concerned about the level of the flange. I've never put a level on the flange and know that the odds of finding a perfect one are nil. What's more important is where the flange is in relation to the top of the floor(I know it's not level). Only reason that's important is it determines how thick a gasket/ring you will need to make a good seal. Since I started my business doing service and repair, I've never stocked wax rings on my truck. I've always used different types of foam gaskets like the ones you show in the video. Sani Seal is a great one. For a while I've been using a product called Tight Seal gasket made of elastomer. Gaskets always more $$ than wax, but so worth it. BTW, I hold no ill will to those who want to do their own work. Of course I don't make money as a pro that way; but I also don't have to do the work! Keep up the good work.
"...but I also don't have to do the work." Haha. Thanks for commenting. Sorry for the delay. Sometimes I live in a time warp.
Yes this is a good comment, and a good video. Essentially the end product is to get a good long lasting seal. As it your own toilet, you have the time and attention to research and do the best possible job you can. Plumbers will never go out of business, because who wants to do a job like this in a well used high traffic commercial restaurant😊 But good job 👏
Your NOT stupid. You are very thorough. Nothing wrong with that. You obviously hit a nerve with plumbers. That tends to happen when people get jealous. Great job.
Contractors will ALWAYS tell you the guy before them did it all wrong, it’s in their handbook! 😂
If that aint the truth!!
yip!
Programmers and Mechanics are the same breed of cat.
It's usually the truth unfortunately.
The guy before him did it wrong, he’ll do it wrong, and the next guy will do it wrong…
Friggin Hilarious. Marty you're the funniest home improvement hack I've ever seen. With regard to your extended bolt idea I couldn't stop laughing. The stackable seals were probably the least desirable option but you made them work, and by doing so you have earned the respect of all the home improvement hacks everywhere. Keep on hacking (with videos) because the world needs as much humor as possible.
"Do what we can with what we got" Brilliant!
The sweetest spirit. Revealing your honest thoughts. Cleanest underside of a toilet I have ever seen.
Even if you don't care about this topic.. I love the dead panned humor at the end....
Applause for thinking outside the box
Thumbs up for having the nerve to wear those socks on camera! LOL.
Solid review! I like it !! :-)
Your attention to detail is oddly soothing.
This man speaks truth! Love his comments. Seriously, toilets haven’t changed in my lifetime
The uh change every day almost including the toliet seats bra
Toilets have changed for the better. Our new 1.6gpf Kohler one-piece has yet to be clogged by our olympic dumper 15 yr old son. He was clogging our old 1984 Am.Std Plebe 4gpf on a weekly basis. The Kohler has 2 flush modes: quick press/release of the handle to flush .75g for pee, or depress the handle for 4 seconds to release the full 1.6g for a dump flush. My wife loves the one piece design for teenage-boy-spray cleanup. Also, one-piece design avoids the possibility of the water tank leaking through those bolts and seals that attach to the bowl. And we all love the soft-close seats.
I have got to give you props for doing it yourself. People have directed the same kind of comments to me over the years but I've saved a lot of money and, knock on wood, have never "learned the hard way" by having one of my repairs fail.
Sadly there is too many unscrupulous and/or hurried "pros" out there for anyone not to try a repair themselves... especially with all of the resources now available to the public
Working in building for over 30 years what I learned is most of the people that do it have no formal training on how to do it and you’re absolutely right I can afford to do things myself wrong three times more than paying somebody to do it wrong for me once I love your comment
Man, you are hoot! And where did you get those socks?! I had to turn down the brightness on my monitor. Seriously, your video is 100% worth watching. I am about to replace a toilet in my house and I never would have known about all those seal options and pros and cons of each. I appreciate all the time and effort you put into this quality video. And with your personality, you could have your own show on HGTV.
I think they are Gatorade socks, but couldn't tell for sure!
As a certified master toilet technician (plumber) I approve of this message.
Your comment about the "20 minute man" was spot on. You call a plumber today, he's on the clock so it's "Blow and Go". They are pigs, almost never cleaning up behind themselves. Yeah, this was a little overkill, but your toilet didn't leak a drop. Can't tell you how many times I reseat a recently installed toilet that is leaking. Other than not using the 3 1/2" closet bolts (and hacksawing them down so the bolt caps fit) don't apologize to anyone here. It's the "Pigs" reputation that you can't equate to his value. I encourage all my home owning customers to take a swing at doing this kind of home repairs. It ain't rocket science. If not, there are guys like me out there who do make love to making sure these jobs are done right and left cleaner than when I showed up.
From one toilet ingineer to another: I approve of your work.
I like Marty because he talks to me on the same level, don't make us wait long time for the next video 🚽
Engineer but thanks for desging toilets, we need more like you
@@turtlesmo9603 ungineer
Thanks Sir! It is unfortunate some haters have the need to disparage your efforts.
Proper video man. I do everything myself. Electrics, Plumbing, carpentry, masonry etc.
I may take longer than the "Professionals" to do the jobs, but it will be done right, unlike the so-called "professionals" who may show up late or never. It's not so much about saving money, but more about a sense of satisfaction that one can do their own maintenance and also saving yourself a lot of aggravation by not having to deal with the so-called professionals. Keep up the good work.
Never thought changing a toilet ring would entertain me,but I was wrong . Thumbs up
"Mr. Twenty Minute Man". Classic.
Forget the people who want you to pay them. What you did worked great and you didn't have to pay a know it all! Keep doing and learning and you'll be self-sufficient! Remember there is no one way!!!! If your way works keep going! Learn as much as you can and never stop!
Marty, you are a funny guy and a pleasure to watch. Your solutions are logical and effective. As a high school art teacher, many years retired, solutions were always in the back of my mind. Name it, I taught it. That's 35 years of fun. I own a house built in 1904 and with 4 johns I always looked for a solution or two in my 50 years of ownership
Excellent video! One of the most articulately explaned videos i've seen!
Great job on the flange, I used the fludmaster seal and had to use both pieces from the kit because my flange is below floor level due to the way they tiled my floor. Our issue is that with wax every winter we would develop a leak. The rubber and the foam seals have held up for two years so far.
You got that right you’re doing it yourself it doesn’t matter if it takes you 3 times as long. The price is right. A plumber would cost you a hundred bucks just to look at it. Long as it does the job
That’s all that matters
Moral of the story...Wax is messy, yes, but Wax is reliable. When in doubt, use a good-quality wax gasket and a spacer or two if needed. Nice Job!
I think you did a remarkable job! Thank you for sharing. You are very motivated to take on these big projects.
Bravo, you hit the nail on the head here. I installed a new toilet two days ago and -after doing a little research- decided to give the Fluidmaster non-wax ring a try. However, my comfort level about having achieved an actual seal immediately after the installation was next to zero, so I went straight back to using the wax ring that was fortunately included with the toilet. Back to the stone ages…
I guess this is a common experience. I did exactly this 2 years ago. When I set the toilet down on the rubber gasket I wasnt feeling good at all about how it was seated and just used the wax ring that came with it instead as well. I just really perfer that nice seal you get with a wax ring, and with how cheap they are it isnt the end of the world that it cannot be reused.
Oh, how smart, Marty, putting wax where glue is not holding, going to do EXACTLY as you did...getting 2 of them! Tiling my bathroom but never did a toilet area. Thanks for your wonderful “meticulousism”. You are soooo funny, so glad I found you!
Hey guy you're really too hard on yourself. You've been a big help to me. Thanks a lot.
Marty, the Fluidmaster comes with a height spacer for flanges that are too low. You didn’t need a second gasket.
I was wondering the same thing. Why not use the height spacer? I mean, if you want to buy two then go for it. But what do you gain by using two versus the added spacer?
Good info💥👍💥
Marty you need to make more videos like this-had me laughing. I really enjoyed this and it also helped me with my leaky toilet repair!! I was just complaining about the exact thing how old some of this tech is for toilets. Its unbelievable.
I have too say you did a fine job. I've been a plumber for 25 years. Trust me you did a better job then most plumbers that I know!
Great job. Plumbers can complain all they want about your video, but none of them is going to do the research and testing that you did.
Thank you so much for doing a follow up. Greatly appreciated!
I use the green foamy seal (managing rental multi units) all the time . Installed a few dozen so far for a least 6 years. None failed yet . No leaks and being reused every time if toilet needs to be reinstalled .
The green ring is the best . No problems with it at all .
I used one a few years ago and so far so good
Marty...I grew up with a great Dad that always said.."If you want it do right ..do it yourself."
Like your idea of using the straws for the bolts. You are not stupid ..Marty.
Thanks for the education...always learning. GOOD VEDIO.
Just remember...Thermometers have degrees...and you know where they stick them!
THATS....DONE RIGHT ...my bad.
Job well done, I enjoyed how you addressed, then dismissed, the 20 min bonehead. Those people are out there no matter what you do. Great information. I've used wax rings for 20 years, and will continue to do so for 20 more.
A properly installed wax ring can last almost forever if no plunging is required. However most toilet removal photos show a lot of creepy crud around the flange and even on the floor. In my case I have Kohler Rochelle toilets installed in a tight location where I can't peek around the rim to see the flange bolts. It's also a bit tight to try to use a spotter. I have been able to do it with some difficulty by using stacks of shims and removing them one at a time but Have often damaged the wax ring and had to reform or replace it. This time I am going to try either the Sani Seal or the Fluidmaster and the shims hoping for a more forgiving placement.
I share this dudes frustration with plumbing supplies. They seem to be made with absolutely no standard or end goal in mind. We've had plumbing for enough time now, you would think it would be perfected! Instead you get such variety, and you can never really know until you go thru all the steps and spend the money. It feels like a racket sometimes!
I come from Industrial Maintenance and EVERYTHING in Residential and Commercial Construction drives me CRAZY. Not designed for long term or from a preventive maintenance perspective at all!! But the absence of these creates such a target rich environment for our innovative NATURES that at least I am having a fun time inventing, prototyping and testing my devices in numerous situations. I, like you, see a better way in everything I see. Not so in aircraft where I admire the progress and reliability, but in construction design, maintenance and repair the objective is always, and always has been, BASED ON TIME CONSTRAINTS FROM BEGINING TO END ! I can't blame them in the trades and love every one of THEM doing the work MOST OF US DON'T WANT TO DO!!!! I feel your PAIN !!
Love the humor, intellect, and information. Thank you sir.
not sure how I found you Marty but I'm so glad I did. You sire are the Larry David of home improvement.
I like the way you make videos and your meticulous nature! Great job, subbed!
Thanks so much for the funny but true remarks about the way toilets are made! And I love your suggestions on how to make a better toilet!
I loved the video, your humor and your thoroughness! You did a really great job! I feel more confident about tackling my toilet repair tomorrow. I also have a 3 3/4 inch cast iron pipe I’m working with. Your toilet seal review was great. I actually had looked at the exact same ones wondering which would be best. Thank you for your knowledge and personal opinion.
Kudos to you for your honest comments. Haters will always hate.
You are so smart!! And adorable. Thanks for sharing.
You sir are a genius..
WOW! You uploaded a follow up? Well, I asked for it and I got it!
Thanks for your insight. I’m about to replace ours. Hilarious comment about the lack of advancements in toilet technology also😃
Wonderful video! Watching this as I rest up for round two with attaching a Toto washlet to a Kohler skirted toilet....
You are funny (in a good way), love the background music. This is a solid video.
Great video. I agree so much with how ridiculous the modern toilet is and the fact that no one has come up with a fail safe version.
I’ve used the Danco products a couple of times to compensate for height issues and have had good luck. Thank you for the video!
AWESOME VIDEO! I WATCHED 6 OTHERS AND YOURS WAS THE MOST UNDERSTANDING. NOT TO FAST AND NOT TO SLOW! FANTASTIC JOB! THANK YOU
Thanks for the great compliment on my video. Appreciate you watching.
You are very thorough and explain very well. Good review!
I like this guy he's not afraid to reinvent or try something different. He questions an established mentioned looking for a better way. There's always a better way if you are willing to try and question things most of the time.👏👍
I like this guy . His swagger and tone of confidence is cool to watch . I don’t really care about his toilet issues
i really like how he filled in the space between the flange and tile to prevent water from going under the tiling and creating a bigger problem. This helps to know if their is a leak from the wax ring, The caulking around the base should have some hole to let the water out.
I really enjoy how laid back you are about everything. We could all learn something from you!
You don't need me, you've got those spliffs :)
Great video, thanks for your time and effort. I think you forgot the word "savant" when you called yourself an idiot, those are some great ideas. I'm pretty sure there are some high end toilets out there that have what you're asking for. Keep up the good work.
Great job! We find that when we do projects around the home ourselves, we also take more time yet we also take a lot more care and put more thought into the finer touches. We have had some pretty shoddy work done when we have let the 'pro's do the work for us. Generally, because they are in a rush to move on to the next job.
Some jobs though I really don't enjoy and struggle through, watching countless videos until I feel I can tackle it, and sometimes struggling through, yet in the end, I have a better result. We tend to overdo things too, especially now as we are tiling the bathroom my hubby had to remind me we are not making a swimming pool as I was taking the waterproofing the outside corners of the shower pan too far.
The toilet was an issue as to save having to tear out more ceiling below and redo the drainpipe I opted for a 'twist and set' flange to work with the existing pipe. It seems to be a good seal and once our shower drain is also installed we can test it as they share the same line.
You are the man, Marty! Good Job. Do what works for you! Excellent video!
Thank you.
Love the socks man! great review thanks for the info!
Thanks for watching. Nike basketball socks.
Not only was this informational it was entertaining….I installed the Danco Perfect Seal today. Easy peasy and the leak I had is gone. I never checked the flange for being level. Hmmm….now you got me worried….lol!
Hey, Marty! Loved your videos, and I hope that you do more! The fake window, and counter tops look awesome! Hope that you are doing well, and that you add to your Channel. 👍😊
You are not that dumb, over 100 thousand views on this video alone. Great research, thank you very much
It looks like you did an meticulous outstanding job
This was the best video I've seen! Great work 👏
You have humor as dry as a tumbleweed and I genuinely enjoyed it haha that’s for multiple good ideas sir!
Man, I just had to drop a comment. The way you operate is far too similar to my own idiosyncratic ways. Awesome video, awesome humor. Keep doing your thing.
Hey Marty I Like a guy that speaks the truth and you also went out to show everyone the differences of these items! Wow I think that's special, I agree with you and thank you for a nice waking up video on how to repair these issues!
Thanks man, glad you liked it.
Brilliant idea to put a window in the side of the toilet. I would love to have that feature at this very moment.
Marty, thanks for this video. I'm not a plumber, I'm a mechanic, I'm about to swap out the old wax seal on one of my toilets in my condo with a new rubber one. Unfortunately, I'm left with which seal to use since I was bent on using that green one like you originally were, but the warning you gave about those leaking really caught my attention, because I hate doing something twice. Thanks for the heads up my friend, and I agree completely with you that the toilet manufactures should really come up with some better ways/better products. These things suck!!
I like your straw trick dropping the bowl on the flange. I use the straw trick on the flapper chains to keep the chain from getting to trapped in the flapper seat. I use an extra washer and nut to hold the johnny bolt rigid so dropping the bowl onto the flange is easier.
I'm watching your videos in reverse order. You mention improving the water closet (toilet). I used to work with a fellow from Lebanon. He had some anatomical problems and required an operation on his lower backside. During his discussion of the operation, he ranted against Western toilets. He pointed out that the squatting position is more anatomically suited to the job than sitting. I believe he went so far as to find proof on the internet. From experience. in the woods, you squat. So the biggest improvement may be to match the toilet better to human anatomy. Tomorrow, I'll install the Fluidmaster and hope to fix the leak currently in the wax ring. Thanks for these videos.
Thank u sir. I appreciate ur time and effort.
Did it leak? No! Then you did it right the first time! 👍🏼
Don’t let the trolls bring you down, a thorough job that you are confident in is always the best. 👍🏼
*oh and I love your socks. 😉
Thanks, man. Nike basketball socks - Kevin Durant model.
Well done, Marty! My son just bought a house with a slightly wobbly toilet. He tightened the bolts. Now he has an EXTREMELY wobbly toilet. I am going to use your guidance and attempt a Dad to the rescue repair. :-) Thanks Man!!
Toilet shims help, particularly with not completely level tile.
I don't usually subscribe, but this level of detail and humour requires it. That and 20 minute plumber is a pig indeed.
I'm a nurse who loves doing things by MYSELF! I've had previous upstairs disasters with leaking plumbing so I like to be able to know how I sealed it and check it periodically. Your creative methods are awesome - I wish there was a leak indicator that we could mount on the subfloor to be able to know if water is soaking into that if leaking under the tile floor that would save lots - thanks.
How about using spacers to raise the flange above the floor and seal the gap between the flange and the tile floor using silicone? If there is leak, water is on the tile floor, not under.
Well done. I like your attention to detail. Why pay for someone to do a crappy job on your systems - we should all know how to repair our own things.
Love your videos, keep doing what you do. 💖
Thanks man. Everyone has an opinion. That toilet flange looked as dry as anything. Nice.
A catapulting toilet would be awesome.
I love the straw idea! I will use that. Thanks.
This video was perfect! I'm gonna look for the previous install vid now. I subbed as well.
i'm sick of so called professionals screwing up work in my house.i now do almost everything myself better. all the best from the UK
Love the video. Informative and hilarious! The tongue and cheek humor kept making me laugh.
I like your video and the socks scare me. You may want to cover up your legs, they scare me too. I like the flange with the drill-able holes where on the outside holes could resolve the unleveled old flange. The floor is level and the outside flange holes would resolve the unleveled flange. Your sense of humor is great! I learned something today. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks, Woody!
Super good video! Thank you for sharing. 👍
Thanks. Glad you liked it.
Good video, really enjoyed it, keep up the good work.
great socks! Thanks for the humor.
Marty, I love your video. Great ideas about toilet improvements, and right about taking your time. I wish you were my neighbour , i think we would be great friends... hi from Canada
I feel you man! Cheer up! I did a similar thing for my dad and he gave me heat cause it took me long but I didn't care. I was trying to learn, study, experience and experiment with my skills. Especially, when running into hiccups such as uneven floor surfaces.
Excellent works, thanks.
I would hire this guy before some plumbers.