John Ogdon Tokyo 2/13/1979
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- No copyright infringement is intended, if any still exists. Posted solely for the artistic exposure of John Ogdon's appearance 2/13/1979 on Japanese television.
John Ogdon speaks about himself
Television announcer
Schumann : Papillons
Scriabin: Sonata # 5
Chopin : Sonata #3
What an admirable VIRTUSO was John Ogden!!! 💝
Schumann : Papillons 1.02:24 2.03:08 3.03:21 4.04:00 5.04:40 6.05:34 7.06:32 8.07:10 9.07:48 10.08:11 11.09:41 12.11:25 Scriabin : piano Sonata no.5 14:08 Chopin : piano sonata no.3 I.23:55 II.31:34 III.33:48 IV.40:17
Just magnificent Scriabin, a performance that will live with me for ever.
I played with him in Grieg's Piano Concerto, a small regional concert in Essex (early 80s). An experience I'll treasure. Such power from such a quiet man.
The only matter that counts in my opinion is always the thinking musical head behind the hands, Ogdon's one is among the greatest of the century. There's a cd recording of op. 58 that's simply magnificent despite a no more perfect fisical condition. Here in Tokyo his ideas flow like a swollen river, but the hands do not follow his mind, obviously due to his health, however his performance is full of music and poetry. Counting flaws is not the best way to evaluate a recording: overtime I've heard a bunch of pianists give totally meaningless but flawless performances.
Yes, his Op. 58 was excellent on that recording, along with the Fantaisie in F minor.
priceless document. Thank you
I can only echo this comment. What a great pianist he was. Many thanks indeed.
In a hundred years time Ogdon will be treasured and remembered by those who know, just as Busoni and Anton Rubinstein are today. Many other pianists of today will leave no legacy at all. The plentiful critics will leave only a large minus quantity.
Too many pianists - not enough composers! (just as Horowitz said)
I remember sitting outside of Ogdon's studio in the fall of 79, listening to him practicing upcoming concerts, sadly they all sounded this stressed, everything galloped through carelessly, with incredible facility and no thought, wrong notes everywhere. His life must have been hellish. Gratefully, I'd heard him before the breakdown, with some marvelous performances. None of us knew what was going on in his life, one must have sympathy for this tormented man.
Obaysch mind private messaging me more about your knowledge of Ogdon? Please.
Yes when it comes that easy he didn't really care much about making music
Of course. Especially, having been there myself.
Write to mee too about him please! Thanks!
@@ciararespect4296 That's an absurde thing to say
It´s so great to have access to more footage of this incredible Pianist! My teacher Peter Feuchtwanger knew him of course, and saw him perform the mighty Busoni concerto.
why of course. we're not aquainted with your piano teacher
@@agagagag2123 Well google away my friend.
Give the man a break already. It's still entertaining/ nice to listen to.
Singular, immortal Ogdon. Unforgettable.
he was the greatest that ever lived, imo, and that's saying something
In 1979, his mental health is much worse than he's ok, so it's normal that his skill becomes out of control much easier, but his performance is still with unique soul at that time.
There are handfuls of mistakes - but no other british concert pianist could come close to the sheer genius of his playing !
You must be kidding! SOLOMON !!!
Peter Katin. Remember.
Thanks
He was an amiable fellow who loved to play and agreed to so many concerts - 300 in a year. May have been a factor in his breakdown. Could sight-read as if it was simple text.
Muchas gracias
nice performance!
No, I'm not agree. Disaster si different. Ogdon plays last movement like a real vertigo. The control on a dream is impossible.
Whatever that was, very few can even play like that. arm chair critics are a 1000 a penny.
Sublime Scriabin wonderfully poetic such unforced playing
Genius.
I'd hate to be a pianist as a profession, having to deal with the isolation.
Some sensitive and beautifully judged playing in the earlier parts of the recital. What a pity that the wheels came off and all control was lost in the final movement Chopin sonata. I know it is history now, but he could have played that movement half as fast and probably given a superb rendering. I heard Mr Ogdon give a recital at the RNCM in 1984 and his playing was similarly afflicted; a shame.
I feel sad for you
There's an astonishing live performance of Chopin's third Sonata from 1963 that's much better than this from a 26 year old Ogden.
The legend. Thank you.
Hard to watch. So sad.
SDnikko His later years paint a very solemn picture. However, his legacy as a musician and pianist of the very highest order will live on. I actually enjoy his Scriabin 5th aswell.
Hard to watch? Better than you could ever dream of
@@ciararespect4296Good point.
I couldn't go on after papillons; his playing is simply brutal.
The Ogdon of the mid-1960s was a phenomenal pianist. Lets not forget he shared first price with no less a masterful pianist than Ashkenazy at the International Tchiakovsky in 1962. Sadly this 1979 performance is the desperately chaotic and rushed playing of a tormented individual, which is painfully embarrassing to witness. There are lamentably few flashback examples of the young Ogdon.
How DARE you!!
A truly stupid comment. You are the one to feel sorry about. You can't be an artist.
40:18 4 movement
He was a genius. He had Mobus Scheuermann, Rachitis, bipolar Disorder and Schizofrenia and later also Diabetes. Maybe he also had Asperger Autism. Without Rachitis there is no Morbus Scheuermann. Vitamin D3 pills would have helped him.
I think Autism. Yes.
Not funny. Karma can can be a bitch. Compared to John Ogdon you're nothing but afterbirth!
A unique pianist! Felt a bit sorry for the piano after this bashing!
He played the 4th movement of the Chopin sonata at one hell of a rate. Despite some inaccuracies I so much prefer John Ogdon's rendition to the more precise, slower, but less exciting performances from many of the other top ranking pianists.
I had to skip thru most of this, and when i listened i couldn't stay for long. I heard the younger Ogdon at his brilliant best and this does a great disservice to his memory and to all the music played, like watching a nervous breakdown onstage. As his illness is quite common knowledge, is there any justifcation for posting this? The Skriabin particularly is unrecognisable, as if Shockhausen had found his Klavier stuck.
You don't understand greatness or art for that matter. Your comment is a joke.
This is a shame, thanks for the post, which is interesting, but played during the grip of his psychosis (I studied with him) and reflects his greatness poorly. Manic, unprepared playing. The most brilliant of gifts, this is interesting more as historical record than as great playing.
That tour was not a success!
That 1979 Japan Tour was not a success. I wish someone had wiped this tape and replaced it with someone worthy of the great man's memory.
@Kevin McCullers he was really ill not suffering 'stress and torment'. I don't approve of his video because it shows a sick person performing like a circus act.
@@neilford99 I remember seeing him at the Royal Festival Hall in London playing the Beethoven Emperor concerto just before he passed away. When he walked onstage it was like an automaton. As if he'd been forced into doing it (his wife??). The playing had flashes of absolute genius, although I don't think he really knew where he was. When I was backstage he was sitting in a chair on his own while his wife was chatting to everyone. I went over to him and we had a very interesting conversation, but he was in his own world sadly and I feel that he didn't know why he was there
@@petergolding5733 I was there, too. You may remember me playing a bit of Sorabji for John on the practice piano. My name is Reinhold Von Treffencaunbowz, but I'm a mathematician who plays a bit. Never had the chops to be a concert pianist. Hope that you're well! Reinhold
does music and JO no service a bit unfortunate like the VHorowitz Japanese TV......
40:19 what's this songs name?
4th movement of Chopin’s 3rd piano sonata.
16:11 all piano players can relate to this ;)
Please get your memes out of here.
@@terryss95System error: no memes currently present in chat
It's heartbreaking watching him play, clutching at the shreds of sanity he has left. There are short glimpses of his genius but most of the performance is erratic and confused.
Play it yourself do you? No I didn't think so
@@ciararespect4296 Actually I do play all the pieces he played in this concert, but I don't see why that's relevant...
It was the antipsychotic medication that crushed his spirit and negatively impacted his playing. He hated taking the medication for this reason. You truly suffered for your art which will live on eternally. Thanks, Maestro.
@@ganjamozart1435 I suppose that Sorabji is also in your repertoire? What name do you play under, and are you a 'tinkerer ' like me, or an actual virtuoso pianist? If indeed you're a virtuoso, when is your next concert?
@@barneyronnietotally and utterly irrelevant to the conversation. Stop being a lunatic.
쇼팽소나타는 맞는음이 하나도 없네요..lol
His take on Chopin's sonata 3 sounds like a mumble jumble rush. It's not even stylistically Polish. How these critics call him as a "genius" is beyond me. He may have the extraordinary sight-reading capability but his Chopin is dismal.
In fact, Ogdon's Chopin has always been questioned, as well as his interpretation of the composers of classicism. John Ogdon himself stated that he intended to study in Moscow as a youth to develop his finger technique in order to obtain greater articulation in execution. He always said that Ashkenazy's technique, his colleague, at this point was something miraculous.
John Ogdon's genius is wide, and lies in the fact that, as you said, he can read everything and perform extremely demanding songs by Alkan, Busoni, Sorabji without much effort.
A pity, however, that he had mental disorders at the height of his career.
Anyway, I register my opinion respecting his.
Hugs!
Truly awful. Yes, I know it's easy to criticize, but this ought to be taken down. Ogdon was undoubtedly a genius but his illness had clearly got the better of him by this time. Very sad.
last movement, disaster!
Unfortunately, yes. Unprepared.
71demy
This playing is the result of severe mental illness plus extreme medication. The poor man had a very hard life.
No, not especially, in comparison to the rest. The whole concert is rushed and heavy.
@@plekkchand yes it's all just racket. The pieces at the beginning are rubbish anyway.
Chopin sonata very sloppy.
Why this ugly horse racing!?!?... lousy piano playing. Far, far too swift....
Hideous hideous playing. Train wreck of all train weecks
Heard of Lang Lang or perhaps Ivo Pogorelichs late playing? xD
Grigor Petrov
This playing is the result of John's mental illness plus medication.
@@brucedavies8154 At least Ogdon and Pogorelich have valid excuses.