John Ogdon Tokyo 2/13/1979

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  • No copyright infringement is intended, if any still exists. Posted solely for the artistic exposure of John Ogdon's appearance 2/13/1979 on Japanese television.
    John Ogdon speaks about himself
    Television announcer
    Schumann : Papillons
    Scriabin: Sonata # 5
    Chopin : Sonata #3

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  • @arahovanessian7042
    @arahovanessian7042 29 днів тому +1

    What an admirable VIRTUSO was John Ogden!!! 💝

  • @theodorewashington9616
    @theodorewashington9616 5 років тому +26

    Schumann : Papillons 1.02:24 2.03:08 3.03:21 4.04:00 5.04:40 6.05:34 7.06:32 8.07:10 9.07:48 10.08:11 11.09:41 12.11:25 Scriabin : piano Sonata no.5 14:08 Chopin : piano sonata no.3 I.23:55 II.31:34 III.33:48 IV.40:17

  • @jonathantaylor5514
    @jonathantaylor5514 2 роки тому +6

    Just magnificent Scriabin, a performance that will live with me for ever.

  • @lawrence18uk
    @lawrence18uk 4 роки тому +13

    I played with him in Grieg's Piano Concerto, a small regional concert in Essex (early 80s). An experience I'll treasure. Such power from such a quiet man.

  • @plonati
    @plonati 7 років тому +29

    The only matter that counts in my opinion is always the thinking musical head behind the hands, Ogdon's one is among the greatest of the century. There's a cd recording of op. 58 that's simply magnificent despite a no more perfect fisical condition. Here in Tokyo his ideas flow like a swollen river, but the hands do not follow his mind, obviously due to his health, however his performance is full of music and poetry. Counting flaws is not the best way to evaluate a recording: overtime I've heard a bunch of pianists give totally meaningless but flawless performances.

    • @EliasCohen881
      @EliasCohen881 Рік тому

      Yes, his Op. 58 was excellent on that recording, along with the Fantaisie in F minor.

  • @ADGO
    @ADGO 8 років тому +24

    priceless document. Thank you

    • @richardmeads7775
      @richardmeads7775 8 років тому +9

      I can only echo this comment. What a great pianist he was. Many thanks indeed.

  • @ric5532
    @ric5532 7 років тому +25

    In a hundred years time Ogdon will be treasured and remembered by those who know, just as Busoni and Anton Rubinstein are today. Many other pianists of today will leave no legacy at all. The plentiful critics will leave only a large minus quantity.

    • @brydon10
      @brydon10 4 роки тому +4

      Too many pianists - not enough composers! (just as Horowitz said)

  • @Obaysch
    @Obaysch 7 років тому +24

    I remember sitting outside of Ogdon's studio in the fall of 79, listening to him practicing upcoming concerts, sadly they all sounded this stressed, everything galloped through carelessly, with incredible facility and no thought, wrong notes everywhere. His life must have been hellish. Gratefully, I'd heard him before the breakdown, with some marvelous performances. None of us knew what was going on in his life, one must have sympathy for this tormented man.

    • @leomiller2291
      @leomiller2291 4 роки тому +2

      Obaysch mind private messaging me more about your knowledge of Ogdon? Please.

    • @ciararespect4296
      @ciararespect4296 3 роки тому

      Yes when it comes that easy he didn't really care much about making music

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      Of course. Especially, having been there myself.

    • @compositeur87
      @compositeur87 6 місяців тому

      Write to mee too about him please! Thanks!

    • @TROW1000
      @TROW1000 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ciararespect4296 That's an absurde thing to say

  • @DanielRobertspiano
    @DanielRobertspiano 8 років тому +12

    It´s so great to have access to more footage of this incredible Pianist! My teacher Peter Feuchtwanger knew him of course, and saw him perform the mighty Busoni concerto.

    • @agagagag2123
      @agagagag2123 3 роки тому +1

      why of course. we're not aquainted with your piano teacher

    • @DanielRobertspiano
      @DanielRobertspiano 3 роки тому

      @@agagagag2123 Well google away my friend.

  • @MyMusicMeal
    @MyMusicMeal 4 роки тому +3

    Give the man a break already. It's still entertaining/ nice to listen to.

  • @dougie0109
    @dougie0109 5 років тому +4

    Singular, immortal Ogdon. Unforgettable.

  • @cryptohalloffame
    @cryptohalloffame 2 місяці тому

    he was the greatest that ever lived, imo, and that's saying something

  • @tkohsnu
    @tkohsnu 7 років тому +11

    In 1979, his mental health is much worse than he's ok, so it's normal that his skill becomes out of control much easier, but his performance is still with unique soul at that time.

  • @russellaustin8453
    @russellaustin8453 6 років тому +14

    There are handfuls of mistakes - but no other british concert pianist could come close to the sheer genius of his playing !

  • @carmenrubio3786
    @carmenrubio3786 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks

  • @simmo303
    @simmo303 Рік тому +1

    He was an amiable fellow who loved to play and agreed to so many concerts - 300 in a year. May have been a factor in his breakdown. Could sight-read as if it was simple text.

  • @GUSTAVOMARZANO
    @GUSTAVOMARZANO 4 роки тому +1

    Muchas gracias

  • @aldorossi3177
    @aldorossi3177 4 роки тому +1

    nice performance!

  • @andreacarcano3626
    @andreacarcano3626 8 років тому +8

    No, I'm not agree. Disaster si different. Ogdon plays last movement like a real vertigo. The control on a dream is impossible.

  • @alexistinsleypope9327
    @alexistinsleypope9327 7 років тому +22

    Whatever that was, very few can even play like that. arm chair critics are a 1000 a penny.

  • @jonathantaylor5514
    @jonathantaylor5514 2 роки тому +1

    Sublime Scriabin wonderfully poetic such unforced playing

  • @MMB.__
    @MMB.__ 7 років тому +7

    Genius.

  • @BarriosGroupie
    @BarriosGroupie 4 роки тому +2

    I'd hate to be a pianist as a profession, having to deal with the isolation.

  • @DavidButterworth202
    @DavidButterworth202 6 років тому +4

    Some sensitive and beautifully judged playing in the earlier parts of the recital. What a pity that the wheels came off and all control was lost in the final movement Chopin sonata. I know it is history now, but he could have played that movement half as fast and probably given a superb rendering. I heard Mr Ogdon give a recital at the RNCM in 1984 and his playing was similarly afflicted; a shame.

    • @TROW1000
      @TROW1000 3 місяці тому

      I feel sad for you

  • @remomazzetti8757
    @remomazzetti8757 3 роки тому +1

    There's an astonishing live performance of Chopin's third Sonata from 1963 that's much better than this from a 26 year old Ogden.

  • @u-j-g
    @u-j-g 3 роки тому +1

    The legend. Thank you.

  • @sdnikko8960
    @sdnikko8960 4 роки тому +2

    Hard to watch. So sad.

    • @TomCL-vb6xc
      @TomCL-vb6xc 4 роки тому +2

      SDnikko His later years paint a very solemn picture. However, his legacy as a musician and pianist of the very highest order will live on. I actually enjoy his Scriabin 5th aswell.

    • @ciararespect4296
      @ciararespect4296 3 роки тому +1

      Hard to watch? Better than you could ever dream of

    • @sdnikko8960
      @sdnikko8960 3 роки тому

      @@ciararespect4296Good point.

    • @johnschlesinger2009
      @johnschlesinger2009 3 роки тому +1

      I couldn't go on after papillons; his playing is simply brutal.

  • @meredith218461
    @meredith218461 3 роки тому +1

    The Ogdon of the mid-1960s was a phenomenal pianist. Lets not forget he shared first price with no less a masterful pianist than Ashkenazy at the International Tchiakovsky in 1962. Sadly this 1979 performance is the desperately chaotic and rushed playing of a tormented individual, which is painfully embarrassing to witness. There are lamentably few flashback examples of the young Ogdon.

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      How DARE you!!

    • @TROW1000
      @TROW1000 3 місяці тому

      A truly stupid comment. You are the one to feel sorry about. You can't be an artist.

  • @hughlazarus7806
    @hughlazarus7806 7 років тому +2

    40:18 4 movement

  • @LeChevalierDuFeu
    @LeChevalierDuFeu 5 років тому +4

    He was a genius. He had Mobus Scheuermann, Rachitis, bipolar Disorder and Schizofrenia and later also Diabetes. Maybe he also had Asperger Autism. Without Rachitis there is no Morbus Scheuermann. Vitamin D3 pills would have helped him.

    • @dougie0109
      @dougie0109 5 років тому

      I think Autism. Yes.

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      Not funny. Karma can can be a bitch. Compared to John Ogdon you're nothing but afterbirth!

  • @magnusalbertus2608
    @magnusalbertus2608 8 років тому +3

    A unique pianist! Felt a bit sorry for the piano after this bashing!

    • @NormanicusDiabolicus
      @NormanicusDiabolicus 8 років тому +6

      He played the 4th movement of the Chopin sonata at one hell of a rate. Despite some inaccuracies I so much prefer John Ogdon's rendition to the more precise, slower, but less exciting performances from many of the other top ranking pianists.

  • @nosehow2liv525
    @nosehow2liv525 7 років тому +1

    I had to skip thru most of this, and when i listened i couldn't stay for long. I heard the younger Ogdon at his brilliant best and this does a great disservice to his memory and to all the music played, like watching a nervous breakdown onstage. As his illness is quite common knowledge, is there any justifcation for posting this? The Skriabin particularly is unrecognisable, as if Shockhausen had found his Klavier stuck.

    • @TROW1000
      @TROW1000 3 місяці тому

      You don't understand greatness or art for that matter. Your comment is a joke.

  • @Obaysch
    @Obaysch 8 років тому +7

    This is a shame, thanks for the post, which is interesting, but played during the grip of his psychosis (I studied with him) and reflects his greatness poorly. Manic, unprepared playing. The most brilliant of gifts, this is interesting more as historical record than as great playing.

    • @neilford99
      @neilford99 7 років тому +1

      That tour was not a success!

    • @neilford99
      @neilford99 6 років тому +1

      That 1979 Japan Tour was not a success. I wish someone had wiped this tape and replaced it with someone worthy of the great man's memory.

    • @neilford99
      @neilford99 5 років тому +1

      @Kevin McCullers he was really ill not suffering 'stress and torment'. I don't approve of his video because it shows a sick person performing like a circus act.

    • @petergolding5733
      @petergolding5733 5 років тому +2

      @@neilford99 I remember seeing him at the Royal Festival Hall in London playing the Beethoven Emperor concerto just before he passed away. When he walked onstage it was like an automaton. As if he'd been forced into doing it (his wife??). The playing had flashes of absolute genius, although I don't think he really knew where he was. When I was backstage he was sitting in a chair on his own while his wife was chatting to everyone. I went over to him and we had a very interesting conversation, but he was in his own world sadly and I feel that he didn't know why he was there

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      @@petergolding5733 I was there, too. You may remember me playing a bit of Sorabji for John on the practice piano. My name is Reinhold Von Treffencaunbowz, but I'm a mathematician who plays a bit. Never had the chops to be a concert pianist. Hope that you're well! Reinhold

  • @chrisczajasager
    @chrisczajasager 8 років тому +2

    does music and JO no service a bit unfortunate like the VHorowitz Japanese TV......

  • @user-rgsd2d1j
    @user-rgsd2d1j 6 років тому +1

    40:19 what's this songs name?

    • @markgable1280
      @markgable1280 4 роки тому +1

      4th movement of Chopin’s 3rd piano sonata.

  • @blankname4716
    @blankname4716 3 роки тому +1

    16:11 all piano players can relate to this ;)

    • @terryss95
      @terryss95 3 роки тому

      Please get your memes out of here.

    • @blankname4716
      @blankname4716 3 роки тому +1

      @@terryss95System error: no memes currently present in chat

  • @ganjamozart1435
    @ganjamozart1435 7 років тому +2

    It's heartbreaking watching him play, clutching at the shreds of sanity he has left. There are short glimpses of his genius but most of the performance is erratic and confused.

    • @ciararespect4296
      @ciararespect4296 3 роки тому

      Play it yourself do you? No I didn't think so

    • @ganjamozart1435
      @ganjamozart1435 3 роки тому +2

      @@ciararespect4296 Actually I do play all the pieces he played in this concert, but I don't see why that's relevant...

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      It was the antipsychotic medication that crushed his spirit and negatively impacted his playing. He hated taking the medication for this reason. You truly suffered for your art which will live on eternally. Thanks, Maestro.

    • @barneyronnie
      @barneyronnie Рік тому

      @@ganjamozart1435 I suppose that Sorabji is also in your repertoire? What name do you play under, and are you a 'tinkerer ' like me, or an actual virtuoso pianist? If indeed you're a virtuoso, when is your next concert?

    • @henrigaziel2002
      @henrigaziel2002 Рік тому

      @@barneyronnietotally and utterly irrelevant to the conversation. Stop being a lunatic.

  • @iron-swing
    @iron-swing 8 місяців тому

    쇼팽소나타는 맞는음이 하나도 없네요..lol

  • @i-told-you-sodear1526
    @i-told-you-sodear1526 4 роки тому

    His take on Chopin's sonata 3 sounds like a mumble jumble rush. It's not even stylistically Polish. How these critics call him as a "genius" is beyond me. He may have the extraordinary sight-reading capability but his Chopin is dismal.

    • @fernandobnoliveira
      @fernandobnoliveira 3 роки тому +1

      In fact, Ogdon's Chopin has always been questioned, as well as his interpretation of the composers of classicism. John Ogdon himself stated that he intended to study in Moscow as a youth to develop his finger technique in order to obtain greater articulation in execution. He always said that Ashkenazy's technique, his colleague, at this point was something miraculous.
      John Ogdon's genius is wide, and lies in the fact that, as you said, he can read everything and perform extremely demanding songs by Alkan, Busoni, Sorabji without much effort.
      A pity, however, that he had mental disorders at the height of his career.
      Anyway, I register my opinion respecting his.
      Hugs!

  • @phantomlogger
    @phantomlogger 4 роки тому

    Truly awful. Yes, I know it's easy to criticize, but this ought to be taken down. Ogdon was undoubtedly a genius but his illness had clearly got the better of him by this time. Very sad.

  • @71demy
    @71demy 8 років тому +2

    last movement, disaster!

    • @LisztianGR
      @LisztianGR 8 років тому

      Unfortunately, yes. Unprepared.

    • @HermanIngram
      @HermanIngram 7 років тому +1

      71demy
      This playing is the result of severe mental illness plus extreme medication. The poor man had a very hard life.

    • @plekkchand
      @plekkchand 6 років тому +2

      No, not especially, in comparison to the rest. The whole concert is rushed and heavy.

    • @ciararespect4296
      @ciararespect4296 3 роки тому

      @@plekkchand yes it's all just racket. The pieces at the beginning are rubbish anyway.

  • @ulfwernernielsen6708
    @ulfwernernielsen6708 7 років тому +2

    Chopin sonata very sloppy.

  • @zuhairbakdoud1360
    @zuhairbakdoud1360 5 років тому +1

    Why this ugly horse racing!?!?... lousy piano playing. Far, far too swift....

  • @grigorpetrov5848
    @grigorpetrov5848 7 років тому +1

    Hideous hideous playing. Train wreck of all train weecks

    • @brucedavies8154
      @brucedavies8154 7 років тому +5

      Heard of Lang Lang or perhaps Ivo Pogorelichs late playing? xD

    • @HermanIngram
      @HermanIngram 7 років тому +4

      Grigor Petrov
      This playing is the result of John's mental illness plus medication.

    • @Pogouldangeliwitz
      @Pogouldangeliwitz 2 роки тому +1

      @@brucedavies8154 At least Ogdon and Pogorelich have valid excuses.