ANGRON THAL'KYR - Lord of Red Sands | Warhammer 40k Lore
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- For this Transmission of Traitor Primarch we shall tell the deeds of the so'called Red Angel: Angron.
Forced to fight within the gladiatorial pits of Nuceria, the boy whom would be named Angronius Thal'Kyr would not begin his life as a crazed killer but an honourable and compassionate soul.
Yet with the implantation of the Butcher's Nails into his skull, the Primarch of the World Eater's future would be damned to tread the path of the Blood God and his never ending bloodlust and rage...
00:00 Introduction
01:30 Gladiator of Nuceria
03:38 Lord of the Red Sands
06:45 Eaters of Cities
10:04 The World Eaters
11:32 The Butcher's Nails
13:51 The Red Angel
16:15 Dawn of Heresy
18:12 Apotheosis of Angron
20:40 Rampage of Terra
23:56 Conclusion
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Primarch Angron the Red Angel? I thought not. It's not a story the Imperium would tell you. It's a Chaos legend.
Dont call him red angel or he'll come and get you
@@user-nl6xv2fh9f true but he's out to get everyone anyway. All blood is...borrowed.
@@jamesneese7663 once she’d it’s lit return…
Angron Thal'kyr, the Primarch of the Twelfth Legion of the Great Crusade, was so powerful and so wise, he could use the warp to influence emotions to create... Black Air Force Energy...
He had such a knowledge of the warp he could even keep his OG's... from dying...
@@user-nl6xv2fh9f khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows.
Angron was forced into roles he didn't want by every ally he ever had except his foster father gladiator. His story is a lot more tragic and sympathetic than someone like Lorgar or Fulgrim, for example.
It’s easy to see how he could’ve been a loyalist if he was given just a bit of help and had the nails subdued or removed.
A Dornian heresy Angron would definitely be an army thatd be cool to paint
@@dexaphobia8085removing the nails would've killed him. But if the Emperor saved Angron AND his men he would've had new Initiates for the War Hounds/World Eaters and a thankfull, loyal Primarch. When the nails eventually killed Angron his legion would've been proud to have fought on his side, sing war songs about him and his fight against slavery and include him in their battle cry. Angron could've been Spartacus but he became Kratos because of the Emperor's stupidity.
@@danmarusan2878 it’s tragic really, shame he’s written as an angry child instead of the deeply hurt warrior empath he is
It’s hard to see how he could become anything but where he ended up.
I couldn’t see a single reason for him to remain loyal, but he’s not innocent either, perpetuating the abuse onto the World Eaters in the vain hope of feeling that kinship again.
But again, his worst moments are born out of agonised lashing out and grieving desperation.
@@dexaphobia8085He's only written that way because the Nails numbed his ability to feel beyond bloodlust and base aggression along with occasional pleasure stimulation from killing.
"War is only won when every enemy is dead. A pacified enemy, is still an enemy." Angron, the Red Angel, conqueror of worlds, scourge of the galaxy.
Had that quote on a t shirt
Use to love the looks i got from it
I guess even traitors to the Golden Throne can be based.
Night lords shaking and crying rn
The Carcharadons would agree.
That final quote is incredible. It really speaks to the kind of Primarch Angron was born to be, crafted to become. Much like Jaghatai, he truly grasped the enormity of their situation, as butchers for a tyrant, hounds for a brutal master. If not for the Nails, he might've been as compassionate as Vulkan or Roboute or Jaghatai.
I always thought Angron was just a blood thirsty murderer but those quotes really show he was intelligent and could see through the bs. His fate is actually pretty sad, doesn't excuse the atrocities but still sad.
@@Cdot94 Actually due to his circumstances, I think he is innocent through and through . Every atrocity he perpetrated was due to the horrors implants in his brain .
Angron would probably have been one of the best if not for the nails. He was honorable and merciful before the nails.
The Emperor you can call a bad father but he was never a tyrant or a brutal master. He showed great patience and restraint towards his sons and to countless worlds during his crusade. Just look at Lorgar and Angron, sons that Big E should have aborted the moment he set his eyes upon. One of the reasons the Emperor almost lost to Horus is because he didn't have the heart to kill his most favored son, despite everything Horus did. Eventually he killed his son after he saw the cruelty and insanity of the Warmaster.
Every single traitor Primarch is either broken as a person or proud while every rational and functional Primarch and countless regular humans defended the Emperor to the end. That showed how much of a "tyrant" he was. The Emperor always saw the bigger picture and had noble goals like destroying Chaos. He is the only hope for humanity like it or not.
@@apocshadow1217 a British dude in his basement made a character called Angron. He was never destined to be written as some calm loyalist.
‘You’re still a slave, Angron. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Too hateful to learn. Too spiteful to prosper.’ -Guilliman hitting the nail on the very tragic coffin
Brain not coffin
@@Theobserver6897 ...get off the stage!
Nails in my brain dude
Blue clad wreches crying out "courage and hounor"
Hitting the butchers nail on the head
Angron didn’t force the butcher’s nails onto the World Eaters, the World Eaters lead by Kharn did it to prove to Angron how far they were willing to go to relate to him, and it was after that Angron finally realized the World Eaters were honorable enough to be lead by him and they were not some group of the Emperor’s cronies that were forced upon him.
Even after the legion implanted the nails angron still saw them as mindless dogs, willing slaves of a tyrant to be used against the weak. He didn't respect them for it because they did it willingly while himself and his fellow gladiators had the nails implanted in them against their will. Other than kharn angron only really respected the loyalist world eaters he slayed on istvaan 3 because that was the first time any of his sons fought back against his own tyranny.
There are several theories as to why the emperor treated Angron the way he did among my favorites:
1. the simplest is that angron represented an aspect of the emperor's self that he didn't like.
2. another is that it was punishment for refusing to serve. while other's had challenged him to prove his worth and Corvus asked for time to finish his war none had flat out refused.
3. in creating the primachs the emperor had given away parts of himself. he literally couldn't understand how important this was to his son, because the part that could've was gone. this also explains why he couldn't just make new ones. there is a nonphysical aspect to the primachs creation that he couldn't repeat. this is also why he couldn't grasp Logar's need for faith or Horus's insecurities. I also think this cause him to see them less as individuals and more as extensions of himself which is why he always just assumed they would do as they were told.
That last theory is now my head cannon. It explains a whole bunch of stuff. Cheers!
I like the third theory best
@@ULTIMATZEKROM me too
@@Ibdabadman nah the theory of the emperor trapping 20 chaos gods to make the oprimarchs is the best one you should look into it \
@@klim6440 Yeah I like this theory more. The emperor knows the primachs will betrayed him. It was part of the deal of the warp and Angron was apart of that trade. That is was during the Horus heresy the emperor didn't tell any of his Son's his plan because The emperor doesn't know which son will betray him first.
The quote in the beginning made me realize that the Emperor let Lorgar keep his other abusive father in his life, even though the Emperor could probably sniff out the sickening vibes that dude was giving off alone.
Big E really just choose to not care for Angron even a bit.
The Emperor just wants #$@#$ done. He never cared how or why, just as long as #$#@ got done. Any impediment to his progress like Lorgar's wasting time with building cathedrals, THEN was a problem. He is the Master of Mankind. He does not ask. He only expects....
@@jamesneese7663
Tell that to how he took the time to teach Vulkan after he found him and took him to Terra.
@Eckskalibur again a matter of convenience. The one thing not brought up in the video is that Big E was already on the planet in pursuit of Angeron. The High Riders cut a deal with big e to surrender peacefully and join the Imperium willingly, all for handing over Angerons location. The Emperor readily agreed, not knowing how much the High Riders had abused and tortured Angeron and was caught in a vice to keep his promise or to purge a world all for sake of a problem he didn't fully grasp at the time. The choice was obvious even if seemed absurd to Angeron
It wasn't until long after the fact that the Emperor discovered how extensive that dark age ^&^% was destroying his son, and by then it seemed terminal so Big E decided the problem would resolve itself eventually. Then the heresy exploded. In his face.
The Emperor was probably like "D'oh."
@@jamesneese7663
The issue with the “issue resolving itself” Is that it involves Angron to his fate, which if I’m not mistaken was death.
@Eckskalibur yeah, and? By time The Emperor found Angeron, the nails were already hammered in, by time Big E realized they were a problem, the nails had literally replaced entire sections of Angeron's 🧠 in a way that Arkran Land foremost expert on dark Age tech for the entire Imperium was stupefied and aghast at how they worked far beyond what they were supposed to based on historical records. Even threatening them with death, Lorgar couldn't get any useful information out of the high riders
Angeron was "dead" before the Imperium ever recovered him. The nails were meant to be a slow, painful and entertaining death for rebels by high riders of nuceria. No one imagined how they would react to a primarch but the end seemed the same as for everyone else ever implanted: terminal.
There was nothing anyone could do to "save" him, so Lorgar damned him to eternal hell instead .
Out of all of the tragic backstories among the Primarchs, Angron's comes the closest to bringing me to tears. To lose those he loved and have his freewill totally taken, its just heartbreaking to me. Maybe its because I understand how it feels to have an overbearing parent just deny your choices and preferences. No wonder he betrayed his "god" of a father.
Angorn was a tragically figure for the Imperium and it was unending rage that doom him and his Legion and plunged the Galaxy in a bloody mess that will forever drown in his slaughter.
Khorne is more manipulative than it appears
yes i agree that the story of angron is a tragic tale, but it was to be fair the emperor who kicked his unending rage into overdrive by not helping angron or his slave army. the emperor has helped other primarchs in battle and taken in the people under the primarchs. if he had done the same with angron he prob would have stayed by his fathers side.
@@xzeke666x I mean, according to what the Remembrancer's said, Emps offered to help him. Angron refused, not sure if it was his pride or what, but he chose to refuse the Emperor's offer. Sure, I don't agree with Emps beaming him up without his fellow slaves (at the very least he could've also saved Angron's friends too), but had Angron accepted the Emperor's offer, a lot less of his friends would have died, just saying.
@@ULTIMATZEKROM Angron had the choice to either die a free man or be a slave to the emperor.
So, Angron, unarmored and nearly naked, through sheer force of rage and will and before ever recieving proper training, killed a Custodian.
That is absolutely terrifying, and that is years before he even first donned power armor
Primarchs are built different, brah.
He also lifted a warhound titans foot to save Lorgar....
Makes no sense he couldn't free himself.
@@accaciagame1706Nuceria had advanced technology; it was just the gladiators with neo feudal weapons out of sick entertainment of the masses. The world had tanks, firearms, artillery, etc.
I liked Angron. He didn't hate the universe. He just hated what it turned him into.
Did you just paraphrase Talos Valcoran?
Did you really compare Angron to Soul Hunter? That guy didn't lift a finger to save his parents.
God that voice at the beginning is stunning, I can genuienely imagine him sounding exactly like that
He has a last name?!
Yes my brother, Thal’Kyr is the name of the slaver family that owned him. His original name was Angronius Thal’Kyr. Meaning Thal’Kyr’s Child of the Mountains.
I'm just as surprised as you. I had always had the impression that there were never meant to be any last names for those sons of the Emperor who didn't get one.
@@oceanman1687 waaaa
He would likely kill someone for calling him that last name. He despised being called Thal’Kyr because it was a slave name.
There's Vulkan Hestan, Lorgar Aurelian, Roboute Guilliman etc. The Primarchs have adopted names of the families they grew up with after being scattered to Space.
Weep for Angron, O Imperium, for fated he was throughout his life to find his way to Khorne. Weep for Angron, O Immaterium, for his torment is never-ending. Weep for Angron, O ye Steel Legions of Armageddon, for he has come to you, knowing his time soon shall end, and Ghazghkull Thraka comes soon to destroy him.
Honestly I didn't realize the Emperor had actually offered to help Angron and his warriors defeat the Nucerians, even if it was on the condition of him leading the War Hounds. That makes Angron's entire plight a lot less sympathetic to me. But it also clarifies why Angron sees the Emperor as a tyrant, he was given an offer, refused, and yet was forced anyway. But just imagine if Angron had instead responded to the Emperor something to the effect of, "You help me save my brothers and kill the Nucerians, I'll lead your legion." Would of had a loyalist Angron I bet.
I get what you mean, but I’m not sure that level of foresight was possible for Angron. He was broken, after I’m assuming years of resistance and the effects of the nails, I think he just wanted to die with his men and women. I feel for him because he didn’t want to be a general, he didn’t care about an emperor and his dream of unification. They weren’t his dreams. The Emperor took what I would assume to be something extremely valuable to a former slave from him, his freedom. His free will was taken from him. And it’s clear the Emperor knew Angron would die, but he chose to get his buck for his dollar. Also, why are all the other Primarchs so autistic to not be able to see that? Hell, even the angel didn’t really do anything for Angron. Free my mans Angron! Let him die in peace!
What part of lore states this? I’ve ready most if not all of the World Eater books and have yet to read an offer of help.
Agreed.
There was an offer but it wasn’t a “Hey we’ll help ya bud I am your loving father.” It was more of “Come with me if you want to live.” The offer was to Angronius and Angronius alone. Not his people. That’s why he said “Nay knave!” Then good ol’ Neoth was like “Whatever, yoink” and took Angron despite himself. Angron was all like “Nooooo!” and Big Easy is like “Shut up pipsqueak!” and Angron was all like “You suck dad!” and Empy was like “Duh I know but I’m me so shove it.” And then Lorgar and blah blah blah Angron comes back omen omen omen ark blah blah and then mushrooms. Yup friggin mushrooms!
Waaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!
We’ll see though. Angron by far, my most favorite Primarch. I hope he gets some redemption somehow. Either a good death or like a return to sanity or something I dunno I just hate his constantly being the bad guy because somebody else was an a-hole to him. He’s never seen as anything other than a monster. I think the only one who really maybe cared was Sanguinius.
Angron is nothing more than the whiniest of the Primarchs. His rage is nothing more than the impotent rage of the victim. Impotent because no matter who or how many he slaughtered, he could never, ever assuage that rage. The best part of the Horus heresy is his DEFEAT at the hands of Sanguinius, and his realization that the rage of Sanguinius is true rage. Pure. The rage of righteousness.
I hope Angron finally gets the death he wanted, but what do you guys think?
I think his death will come at the hands of Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka. He has to answer for Yarrick, after all. That was Ghazghkull's favourite enemy.
He's a prince daemon, to kill him; Khorne must first die.
@@efaristi9737 Or we can just uses The emperor sword which G-Man has.
@@vontheunknown7982 It has the special power to annihilate demons to the point to prevent their rebirth?
@@efaristi9737 It can fully kill Daemons permanently.
What a horrible, sad and tragic tale. I never knew the story of Angron...until now. Thank you for this. It was excellent.
Hey brother amazing video.
However we know Angron was banished back to the warp when Sanguinus defeats him. The reason the legion fragments is due to Angron not being in real space for thousands of years. Khorne uses his most prized asset in the great game. Then when Angron is summoned to the orks home-world known as armageddon, this starts the cycle, he returns again to the conquer and the world eaters have started to amass. He is a beacon of slaughter to the world eaters they are drawn to him like a hive to a queen. It explains this in the new angron book.
Your recent releases are setting the standard on YT for Primarch Lore. Really well done 👍
Excellent lore on Angron! Thanks for all your efforts. Reading the horus heresy, and these videos make is come into perspective so much more.
Man the voice actors for your videos are Amazing! Loved the Angron voice.
Great video man . i hope we get some Eldar Dark Eldar lore videos at some time
I love Angron always will your on a roll covering my favourite primarchs😂 keep up the good work
I await weekly for your videos, great job Remembrancer
Keep up the great work man and stay safe
16:58 man this makes me miss drop assault shame the lisence for it expired it was fun as sure there were bugs but it was the most enjoyable strategy game I've played in a looooooong while I'll miss drop assault and my alliance members. see you again some day teaboy thanks for helping me understand the game
VF reborn we all shall meet again in Valhalla
6:53 the butchers nails the let me dream they give me peace, what would you know of struggle roboute?, perfect son when have you ever had to do anything but tally compliance’s and polish your armor, when have you ever had to fight against the mutulation of your own mind, you know nothing of courage you know nothing of honor
G-Man and Angron ever meet again, I wonder if G-Man will have more sympathy with Angron then the last time they talked, But what do you guys think?
Guilliman's dialogue with Yassilli Sulymanya in Dark Imperium: Plague Wars implied that he takes a more sympathetic view of the hardships his traitor brothers endured nowadays.
@@LordCommander-ui2fw Oh, true.
I think Gulliman certainly realised that life has not been as easy for some of his brothers than it was for him, especially after seeing that the Emperor was not the father figure he thought he was.
@@efaristi9737 HALF true. Yes Guilliman understands that his brothers had their reasons, but at the end of the day his brothers still betrayed him, still betrayed and nearly destroyed the Imperium. He can understand them but he cannot show them any mercy as they will not hesitate to bury him and the entire Imperium.
Big E has had a lot of time to reconsider that maybe he should have handled things differently. A LOT of time But at the same time, end of the day he's still The Emperor and in the choice between his sons and his Imperium, the sons are going under the bus. He is still the Master of Mankind and The Big Picture is more important than entire sectors of lives and resources. He might be a little better than he was, but he's still a monster if push comes to shove. Horus was one of the only sons he ever really cared for, and we saw how that fell out.
The way I see it, Emperor basically lost a child, found him in middle of two criminal gang fight as an emaciated dying addict. Thinking like that, i understand why emperor did not want to rescue any of the eater of city. Everyone is focusing on Emperor's apathic toward Angron, but maybe Emperor's judgement was clouded because in his mind he can only see "what had they done to his precious child."
You'd think the emperor, aspiring master of mankind that he was, would help Angron in his battle, then offer advice if not outright help in punishing the slave masters of Nuceria. Just imagine it, how loyal a primarch Angron would have been if the Emperor hadn't been cruel.🤦🏾♂️
Sad.
I think he knew he was sacrificing angron to chaos in a trade for keeping sanguinius loyal
@@SoulGizmo what do you mean?
Did the emperor condone slavery? otherwise, his actions make no sense. And honestly, it's not like he was on a tight schedule, he could have just come back in a few years. It's funny to see how the so-called master of mankind lack in humanity.
@@SoulGizmo personally I would’ve sacrificed someone else, Daemon Angron is a massive threat, should’ve dropped the iron hands or something
@@efaristi9737 khorne put his focus on 2 of the primarchs. Sanguinius and angron. This comes from a theory I have about the emporer knowing which gods were going to go after which primarch.
The beginning is actually wrong. The Emperor never offered to help Angron in the battle, he only told him that he was his son and that he needed to come with him to command his legion, and the Emperor never let Angron take his gladiators with him. Also, the Emperor was not “disappointed in Angron’s tactical acumen” as you say, in fact quite the opposite, The Emperor was actually very impressed with Angron’s great victories but knew he would die in this last battle as he was outnumbered massively, therefore he forcefully teleported Angron to his ship in order to save his son because he knew he would be a useful tool.
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Which alternate Heresy Angron is better?
In the sense is it better Angron who is healed from the butcher's nails or Angron who never had the butcher's nails (example Blood Angels)?
He who looks like a barbarian gladiator but is actually a rock of discipline and valor worthy for the World Eaters (and the Emperor)?
(The Crimson Slaughter certainly doesn't need butcher's nails to create an ocean of blood)
With his warriors, then finally with his sons, Angron manages to liberate the world of Nuceria and become its ruler.
It would be clearer to say that: Angron is saved and raised by the village of the city of Desh'ea and then sells himself as a gladiator planning its conquest and liberation, neither he nor Oenomaus receive the butcher's nails but they are still forced to fight with Angron who gives an honorable death to his dear mentor, then (recruiting more villagers and soldiers over time) in the last battle the Emperor decides to send the World Eaters to defend Angron and his gladiators (recognizing potential new forces for his XII Legion) and subsequently, with all medical science, heal the heads of the surviving men.
A good example is Vladus Barca himself (practically the loyalist version of Angron).
And the World Eaters choose to repaint parts of themselves red to honor the title (and above all the sacrifice) of their father: the Red Angel.
Precisely as an example the Blood Angels, since the World Eaters of Angron do not suffer from the butcher's nails they still suffer from a kind of mental torment, the Blood Voice, which forces the most affected to shed enormous blood in order to gain some respite (of course the Librarians, using the Primarch's empathic psychic power, try their best to heal everyone).
Angron also lived alongside ferocious predators, the wild Wolves of Nuceria (hard-skinned beasts), before being taken by the people of the village.
And just like the Iron Hands with the Bulls of Medusa, the Dark Angels with the Lions of Caliban and the Space Wolves with the Wolves of Fenris, the World Eaters learn to build a bond with the creatures of their home planet.
Another good possibility is this!
Oenomaus had already freed Desh'ea and ruled House Thal'kyr, then after hearing about the boy named Angron, raised first by wolves and then by villagers, he decides to recruit him among his gladiators, seeing him as their hope.
Angron thus grows well becoming a just adult, in a reborn city with a large army of strong warriors, successfully leading his valiant soldiers (and many others thanks to his empathic psychic power), with the title Red Angel, against the tyrants (witnessing the tragic but honorable death of his father figure in the last battle), ultimately becoming the Gladiator King, powerful ruler of all Nuceria.
Some time after the planet's pacification Angron meets the Emperor, this time voluntarily embracing his place as son, Primarch and father of the XII Legion of War Wolves (World Eaters), officially making Nuceria their homeworld.
Or maybe even this: all the cities of Nuceria are already free and governed by several Gladiator Kings (the bloody slavery just a bad memory), who over time see the rise of the wolf Angron Thal'kyr as a sign of a worthy ruler (and future worthy Primarch)!
(A soul like that of Sanguinius)
"angron...angron...angron..."
A red and white light was called in the warp. A gold presence
"Father...?" It was the daemon who would not speak. The true soul of the red angel spoke in horor.
"My son. You must wake."
"No...please no...look what i did,i destroyed so many..."
"You died on nuceria when those nails were drived into you. I cant hold on longer...please...help...your brothers are returning..."
The light merged,as a man woke upon a world in snow. Waking up in the wilds was a man. The true lord of the red sands rose confused. Coming to a frosted spring angron saw he was changed. He was a man. Tall as an astartes he looked...himself without the butchers nails. Tears flooded angron as he looked to the sky. He was free. Free of the nails. Free of being a beserker...free...
"Father...why..."
To be continued...
is this a quote?
if it is
TELL ME WHERE TO FIND IT OR SO HELP ME KHORNE I WILL SHOVE A CHAINAXE UP YOU I NEED TO FIND THIS
@@WarmasterWirMustard sadly its fanfiction. A alt universe of 40k in where the emporor, struggling to keep himself together does all he can to reunite as many sons as possible
Directing the slowly dying sevatar to guilaman with the corona nox for the shard in the big es sword to cleanse his mind
Guilaman finding clonegrim and the lion
And lastly,angron surviving the frozen hell of fenris in which he must come to terms with his sins and potentially save the wolf king as he makes a race aganst the forces of nurgle to bring isha out of the warp into the reletively safer realspace to prevent capture
@@lolbots686 that
Confuses me more than the alpha legion
Damn you! I want this to become cannon!
@@halfknight2310 WE MEET AGAIN BROTHER HAHA
one of my favourite characters in 40k. Betrayer is an great book
The best explaination ive ever heard about why the Emporer didnt help Angron was because when he met him and saw what had been done to him he realized he couldnt help him.
He thought of the ancient Terran shark, and how if it ever stopped swimming it would simply die. It always needed something to hunt to kill to keep it moving.
Angron was much like that shark. He knew that if Angron got his revenge on the masters he would lose the thing that drove him forward the thing he hated so even if he helped him win his war he would slowly fade and die because he didnt have his reason to hate.
So the Emporer loved Angron so much he didnt want to see him die so he gave him something to hate and a reson to keep going, even if it meant he had to hate him..... 😢😢
Great video on the Red Angel. He is a tragic tale but in current 40K nothing but a butcher to be feared.
Two things I don't understand, how were they able to subdue Angron to implant the butcher's nails into his brain? Also when the Emperor teleported Angron away from his final battle, why not help his son by doing what he wanted which is to win the battle?
I can only assume they used sheer numbers to dog pile him or threatening to kill his adoptive father/friends doesn't seem far fetched. As for the emperor as praised as he is with all the justness and divine light he's a pretty cruel man committing genocides across the stars. A lot of people will say his mission and goals are so great millions of eggs have to be broken to cook that omelet but it's left him with an absolute superiority complex and other issues I can't put into words. Angron's outright refusal was probably a major blow to his ego so leaving the gladiators to die was probably out of spite. At this point I really can't say if there are any 'good' sides in 40k but it's grimdark so maybe that's the point,
He was weak because he had been attacked by an Aeldary fleet.
@@ramonserna8089 Where can I read about that?
Given that every other primarch unified their worlds, I get the sense (no idea if this was the writers' intent) that Angron proved more a disappointment to the Emperor. The Emperor wasn't one who rewarded failure and he wasn't one who would waste a resource. He wanted to salvage what he could from one of his most expensive weapons.
@@JLAvey Yeah but Konrad came from a planet of criminals. Big E still let him recruit from them for his marines. I just cant see him being so out of it that he wouldnt have seen the value of pulling from a trained fighters, that had already shown undying loyalty to what would have been their primarch. It like Big E gets to be the most wise master thinker, and then gets a pass for missing obvious things. How do you NOT grasp that leaving this mans ONLY family to die is going to be a big problem.
I don’t really like chaos but man Angron’s history is one that really hits me hard .
Nice Work on Angron remembrancer
as sad as angrons story is i do really like him, his tale has a flavour of spartacus by rising up against his opressors/slavers. how he reacted when the nails more or less forced him to kill his mentor and even when beeing taken away from his gladiator "brothers" show us how caring he was or maybe even is still behind his new form. even if he longs for battle, skulls and blood now more then ever i do belive he still longs for revenge for his gladiator brothers, nails and so forth.
The emperor really screwed angron! He should have reinforced him and his boys in their last stand. This the first lore video ive watched on him well done sir.
Emperor did two things bad when he came for Angron. First one was not saving his comrades. Second one was not allowing Angron to purge Nuceria with the War Hounds to bond them.
@Tigran-Abazyan Mortarion also failed in liberating his world and had to be saved by the Emperor.
17:58 That attempt should have been made literally decades ago.
Such a tragedy, Angron potential, destiny, his very being! were spolied before he even fly up to the stars. I don't get why the Emperor kidnapped Angron, it would have been so easily for him, even with just a bunch of custodian, to destroy the slavers armies and even conquer Nuceria entirely. Or even just to offer a escape route to Angron army. Angron would have been grateful and getting Nuceria into the fold was in the Emperor plan anyway so why not doing it?
Nuceria is about to become imperial compliance world. Emperor is already having a deal with Nucerian governer
@@danendraarkananta9442 So the Emperor is favorable to slavery?
The Emperor never leads in love or wisdom. That is his fatal failing.
That is the core of all his errors.
If the emperor allowed the war hounds to fight alongside angron on nuceria, things would have turned out so much differently. It's very puzzling why emps didn't do that.
At this point there. The Emperor had to knew his son was becoming a champion of the Blood God.
Hello dude incredible work
Havin to binge watch all these again because I forgot to like them all 1st time around ;)
No one hits like Angron
Fights in pits like Angron
In a Bloodbowl match no one can blitz like Angron
"I'm especially good at eviscerating!"
My, what a guy, that Angron
Right off the bat, a son speaking the truth.
I mean Angron has a point. Big E could have came down and helped Angron but he didn't. Instead he spent time screwing around with Russ having drinking and eating contests.
Big E"and I am telling you..hic...son
..that is why i will never go to that side of the galaxy again and what not...hic....hmmm...I feel like I have forgotten to do something...what was it...I can't..hic...put my finger on it....(GASP)...OH SHIT....I left the oven on"
His son's claim to be angry all the time. The Angry Marines would like to argue against that. Angron is insufficiently angry compared to the Angry Marines.
I think the Emperor was disappointed in Angron . He wasn't able to conquer his home world and was about to die when the Emperor found him. He treated Angron like a failure. Angron deserved so much better.
just got off work, ready to hop into some 40K lore
I always thought that the more heartbreaking and tragic reason Angron hated and despised his Legions' weakness was due to NOT pushing back and outright refusal to his insistence on taking of "The Butchers Nails"... Very much at the risk of Death for the Legionaire.
"There is Honor in Death with one's Refusal to Bow!"
If anyone is interested I strongly recommend Chris Glass's video called Courage and Honor.
I think it would’ve been nothing for the emperor to conquer the highborn. I resonate with angron because like him I’m also a child of neglect. This was completely avoidable, I don’t understand why an omnipotent being like the emperor couldn’t see this.
Once meant to be the moral empath for his brother primarchs in the Master of Mankind's vision.
Thx remembrancer 🎉🎉🎉🙏👏👏👏💅👍
Plz make video on the Lucifer black there is literally no video on them except by majorkill
Thanks!
Thank you for your support Brother!
@@TheRemembrancer May the legends live on!
Angron ,Angron swimming in the ocean causing a commotion coz he's so awesome
My primarch we have forge ourselves in ur image *angron growls* we broke ourselves for u broken sons for a broken father
It's surprising that Nuceria appears to have had no taint of Chaos despite bringing a smile to Khorne, had he known about it. The Butcher's Nails seem like something wholly inspired by Khorne, yet the Emperor detected no Chaos in it (Chaos artifacts always have taint even if they don't use warpcraft in their operation) when he examined Angron alongside Arkhan Land. Then again, the Emperor somehow missed all the Chaos worship when he visited Colchis.
It is amazing how incompetent Angron was given his many failures to escape. If he could slay hundreds in the arena he should have been able to escape easily, I doubt they had an entire army to guard him. Even 20 or 30 men should have been woefully insufficient to stop him.
Would be interesting to see him be reborn I he's cast back in to the warp and saved by the big e before khorne can claim him again.
I never knew his full name. As much as I love Angron, this brings more context to this video, which I saw about a year ago. It makes me feel worse, for Angron: ua-cam.com/video/KwEKZ4UCoYA/v-deo.html
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULLTHRONE!!!
@The Remembrancer
Letting ya know, at 15:30 the dialogue repeats.
I just learned he had a surname.
That makes it even all the more tragic.
I’ve never really understood how angron was 1 captured and forced into slavery and 2 subdued to implant the nails when he took out a squad of eldar, who presumably probably had technology more advanced than anything on that planet, as an infant. This always seems to be glossed over in all these explanations.
A whole planet of Techno barbarians can subdue one demigod better than a small squad of elder. He wasn’t a chaos god after all. He was still mortal. Just super enhanced with super long life. And he was basically still an infant when they captured him
@@Cinerary Are we to believe an entire planet worth of warriors was gathered at the capturing of angron, with him slaughtering hundreds or thousands before they got him in chains strong enough to hold him? I don't think so.
@@coops3600no. But the point is, they had high technology, and there’s enough of them to be able to subdue him. A squad of 20 eldar are still just 20 eldar. You bring 200-500 men with high tech weapons like Nuceria has, he’s not coming out alive. He’s an infant demigod. It’s more unbelievable that they subdued his adult form but I’m sure they had devices for that. Maybe they could have gone into more details, but they didn’t. If that’s the most unbelievable thing you’ve read in 40k you just haven’t read enough lol.
Angron’s early escape sounds like the story of the Third Servile Uprising (The War of Spartacus)
So confused as to how the writers think angron would've lost the slave revolt
Because gladiators aren't soldiers, a mob of gladiators won't beat an army, the butcher's nails make Angron a poor leader of men especially if he's fighting in the battle himself, and primarchs aren't invulnerable. Angron had the benefits of the legions backing and the support structures of the imperium. Angron and a couple thousand gladiators and rebels with no real supply lines or logistics don't stack up to an entire planetary army with advanced tech.
If Angron had never had the nails, he would've likely succeeded in rebelling and have been a loyalist primarch.
@@SpoonerSpecter oh I didn't know it was the entire planet
I didn't know that Angron refused the help, I had always believed that Big E came there, saw Angron, Yanked him from the planet somehow and left.
I have to agree with Angron last quotes in this video.
We need a God of War style game with Angron and the Red Sands of Nuceria.
there is a part who is left out part of the legion rebelled against the butcher nail and was killed
Honestly, Lord of Red Sands sounds way better than Red Angel.
It’s an epithet that gives more personal context without making him sound like discount Sanguinius.
I'm so confused about GW's writing here. These primarchs are so far above normal humans as to be super -powered, right? This guy was so mad he killed a Custodes while not wearing power armor. He killed an Eldar assassination squad as a toddler. A *toddler.* And they expect us to believe he lived a lifetime under slavery under regular humans, even in a technological society, without escaping despite numerous attempts? Dude could sneeze at a brick building and knock it down. Mere humans managed to enslave a Primarch and maintain such perfect security and vigilance that it took him decades to escape?
I feel like the company writes itself into a corner constantly, then handwaves it away because they just had to have their Spartacus ripoff.
Angron could've been the Spartacus of Warhammer 40K but because of the butchers nails he became Kratos with brain tumor and CTE.
All the Emperor had to do was saving Angron AND his men. They could've been transformed into Space Marines, a gratefull Angron would've lead them from one victory to another and when the nails eventually killed him the War Hounds/World Eaters would've worshiped Angron, honored his legacy by defending humanity as loyal servants of his father: the Emperor.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
When exactly did the Emperor offer aid? It was more of a "you're coming with me, like it or not" scenario.
Wait. The emperor offered to help him at first? And Angron turned him down?
Didnt sanguinius kill/banish angron during the siege of terra by pulling out the butchers nails from his head?
One of the greatest displays of the Anatolian's failure.
Crazy agron was meant to be like an empath with ability to calm his brothers from the pain of war so he probably would've been just as good of a man vulkan was
I never understood why the Emperor would not have had the butcher’s nails removed when he found Angron. It wasn’t until later, that their incorporation to his mind went past the point of no return and would have killed him were they removed. It just makes no sense other than to further the plot.
Sooo much went wrong for The Red Angel.....From the Eldar he fought with upon his pod landing...which wore him out
Making it possible for the slave master to capture him....
Which then led to him being sold to a Gladiator Household,
Which then led him to develop a sense of "Family", and honor amongst his slave brethren, and receive a Father Figure in his older slave mentor. Unfortunately, this led to him going against the slavemasters will, and giving them a reason to basically lobotomize him. And then more kiiling...He FINALLY ESACAPES
LEADS A RAG TAG ARMY..AND IS THEN EVENTUALLY CORNERED AND ABOUT TO DIE. HE IS SAVED BY THE EMPORER, WHO REALLY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT DECISION THROUGH I.M.O., AND THE REST IS HISTORY. THE NAILS CANNOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT KILLING ANGRON (EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE ALREADY KILLING HIM..JUST SLOWLY)AND HE SHOULD HAVE JUST BEEN LEFT TO DIE AN HONORABLE DEATH AND BE PUT OUT OF HIS MISERY. HE WASN'T A PRIMARCH LIKE HIS BROTHERS ANYMORE. HE WAS BROKEN...HIS LEGION WERE DOING JUST FINE WITHOUT HIM, AND HE BASICALLY SENTENCED THEM TO DEATH SIMPLY BY BEING GIVEN HIS SONS. HE HATED THEM...FOR REALS HATED THEM...IF NOT FOR KHARN HE WOULD HAVE KILLED THE ENTIRE COMMAND STRUCTURE IN A MATTER OF HOURS.
It all comes back to win his pod crashed on nuceria, if the Elder hadn't been there he might have been able to go hide in the mountains until he was at full strength and I don't think you would have been captured at that point and he could have taken over the world like the rest of his brothers did instead he was caught unawares and was screwed over right at his weakest point and that set the ball in motion for him to be screwed for the rest of his life. If only a couple things could have been different we would have gotten a very empathetic but also extremely calculating and brutal Primark and that would have been sick. I wish that there had been a way for them to remove the nails safely as well I mean come on and your you telling me you can't figure that out? Owal now we have a demon primarch with electronic dreadlocks and we have Kharn who's just a badass, KILLING EVERYTHING LOL!!! So carry on boy's !! 🩸🩸BLOOD🩸 FOR🩸 THE🩸 BLOOD🩸 GOD!!🩸💀 SKULLS 💀FOR 💀THE 💀 SKULL 💀 THRONE! 💀💀💀 LET'S GET IT! 🪓🗡⚔️🪓⚔️🗡🛡🛡🛡🛡⚒️⚒️⚒️⚒️
The Angry child. GW wrote him to be VERY one dimensional after the Horus Heresey. Kurze got his duality of personality after the Horus Heresy, but Angron they sort of threw away.
I would love to hear the story of what could have been.
I wonder what kind of Primarch Angron would have been if not for the nails. I think about this a lot :(
Maybe his power to absorb the pain and negative emotions of others also affected him as much as the butchers nails. The pain and negative emotions need to go somewhere.
That would also make some sense
To think all he had to do is help his son get revenge agianst the people on that planet and maybe then he wouldn't betray the emperor same with mortarion if he would have let him get his revenge things would have been diffrent
Angron is based on Agron is the Spartacus series.
Wait the Emperor did not offer to help Angron and his comrades, he only offered to take him away. Angron chose not to abandon his comrades
What could’ve been?
I think I saw fan art of Crixus from Spartacus
Angron the main reason why the emperor is not good guy, neither a reasonable man. He should be a battery for all eternity. And guilliman should be the new emperor
I want to run chaos undivided
Horus seems like a slightly naughty boy, in comparison to this dude