Civilian Legal Flashbangs: IWA flashbangs vs TAGinn comparison
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- So I finally got my hands on some of these civilian legal flashbangs by IWA international and TAGinn. I wanted to try them out and compare how these two flash bangs going off sound and whether they are worth it.
The IWA flashbangs are civilian legal and go up to 124 db. I think that's pretty good for a civilian flashbang. That's until I tried the TAGinn, which are marketed as flashbangs in airsoft. I was surprised how this thing can be used as an airsoft granade.
That one goes up to 140 db. You can see my reaction to these flashbangs going off in the video and make the decision for yourself.
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Have you tried either one of these civilian legal flashbangs? What'd you think?
Hey! You have a great channel name, it sounds like you have connections in the tactical world and the biggest thing is that you have the energy and charisma to be VERY successful on UA-cam!!!
My advice to you:
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If you do these things, and learn as you go along you will become very popular. Remember me when you do, lol.
@@remainingrex9471 thank you, really appreciate that and I will!
Jamul?
@@cameronbentley8259 just past the gun club in that area, yes
We got private land and a solid group every weekend if you wanted to link up
Better question-why are real flash bangs illegal? (Or any ordnance for that matter). Seriously though, the ATF and NFA need to go away, along with a bunch of other unConstitutional BS.
Noooooo way almost like the Jews want to disarm you
So they can stack up on your door with impunity.
Yep. Its all bs. Stupid politicians. I own 7 nfa items. All load of bs we can't own the real ones.
Because tyranny. It's actually the AFT according to prez. Lmao
It’s only illegal until you have enough of them. Then it doesn’t matter.
You're an American citizen. You don't need to explain why you're carrying a pistol. Personally, I believe people need to explain why they DON'T carry a pistol.
Being a "US" citizen is exactly why we dont have a 2A. Own your strawman and own your God given rights. It's all in the legalese language.
Agree
lmao you already said why. as an American citizen no one has to explain anything to you
It should be law if u don't carry some form of firearm u get a citation
Hell yeah!!! 2A says what it does for a reason. Carry if you want. Carry if you can. Carry with a permit so you don't get in trouble and go to jail and lose your guns and rights. Stay safe y'all.
Just some helpful info. I was in SWAT for several years and can tell you this:
1. First prep the grenade ring and cotter pin. Before you anticipate deployment, pinch the wings on the retaining pins from its 90 deg angle to a flatter position so u can pull the ring smoothly.
2. Make sure the safety spoon rests firmly against the web between your thumb and index finger. DO NOT grasp it with your four free fingers; u can have an accidental discharge.
3. DO NOT throw the ring away. Keep it in your free hand in case you abort deployment and need to re-engage the safety spoon.
Thank you for your advice and service! Just tried pinning this comment so it stayed up top for everyone to see easily but couldn't.
@@CivilianWarrior thank you
This guy is a real mvp
No, just no.
@@CivilianWarrior if you pull a pin on a Flashbang and don’t need it during clearance the best thing you can do is chuck it somewhere that’s been cleared or anywhere it won’t be a problem for that matter, behind you, etc…. I can’t imagine having time to re insert a pin during clearance, taking a rifle out of the fight, especially under NODS/with gloves on
Bought a case of the TAGinn at a gun show about a year ago. Got home, and we had the brilliant idea to use one in the garage to see how loud it was...not our smartest moment haha
Lol, I can only imagine.
Where did you get them? Ive been trying for a month to find some
@@wootdoo Got that case at a gun show last April, but I’ve also bought them from Evike
@@wootdoo taginn is getting new import permits from us government bc they moved everything to Latvia so bypass Russian import ban. They told me they hope to ship product into US within next Month or two
@@CivilianWarrior Couldnt come any sooner.
They’re both legally classified as pyrotechnics, like fireworks. The M12 is a “distraction device” and the TAG-19 & 67 are airsoft frag grenades, they have airsoft bbs molded in the foam, so when you shake them they don’t make a noise. If you want a true TAGGIN stun grenade, get the FBG-4/6
Thank you for commenting. I use TAGGIN products all the time. Now I'm not saying this video is a bad thing. But it's already hard enough to get them on certain fields and keep them in play
Can somebody tell me where to get some super loud ones? I looked on evike but couldn't find any kind of grenades.
@@collinb.8542 Evike doesn’t have any TagInn pyro at the moment because they still have issues with their supply lines. The company was moving from Russia to the UK before the war because of newer russian law about explosives
I'm guessing they won't ship to states that restrict pyrotechnics then.
Now on their site it says you need a pyro license to buy them?
You don't need to explain why you carry a gun.
Agreed
Couldn’t agree more. You don’t need to explain why you’re exercising any other constitutional rights, like remaining silent when being questioned by police, there’s no need to explain why you’re exercising your 2nd amendment rights either :)
As a longtime user of taginn products, their underbarrel launched grenades are a ton of fun too- they have chalk, timed, impact fused, and smoke rounds.
Check out the new video I just uploaded on these going off at night
And for those who don't know: An increase in decibels is a logarithmic increase and not just a flat number. 124dB comes out to about 32PSI for sound pressure. 140dB on the other hand is 200 PSI. You're looking at an almost 7x more powerful bang out of the TAGinn. Most gunshots are between 140dB and 165dB. 85dB is what's considered hearing safe.
You let one of those TAGinn's off indoors and whoever's unlucky enough to be in the same room as it is probably going to be throwing up.
Also, I mean the thing looks like an RGD-5 frag grenade. If you wave that around to someone who wants to start trouble you're gonna make a lot of people cut and run instantly lmao
They won't make you throw up, but they will make you ears ring if youre not wearing proper earpro. Source: I have been fragged with them many times.
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My question is how the crack heads that live behind me will respond at 3 am in the middle of their drug deals
thank you very much for this
Update: obviously because of current events, taggins can’t be imported in due to the Russian ammo ban and because of the sanctions on Russia, heard that taggin is trying to work something with the US and EU governments but also heard that they may move a factory to the US who knows. I play airsoft and have used their products before and honestly they’re amazing but with all going on it’s hard and expensive af to find taggin items.
I hope they do and that all this is over soon.
@@CivilianWarrior same, getting real tired of trying to scourge for tags for some of the Airsoft events I go to and getting really tired of paying 30$ for 50 rounds of Russian ammo
its a product from Latvia, not Russia. Different country guys
@@NightWarp not what my six boxes say. All say made in Russia
@@CivilianWarrior interesting... could it be the company is hq in Latvia, but the product is made in Russia? Because if you look up the company its contact infos are in Latvia.
Pro tip, always hold the spoon with your thumb. You want the most contact of the hand with the body of the device. If your left handed hold it upside down. Insert finger up or down through the loop, make a fist. Rotate and break connection by pulling across your chest to separate the pin from the device. Aquire target. Strike a pose. Throw. Get behind cover.
Proper grip, thumb the clip, twist pull pin, sneak a peek, frag out!
Pro-tip: Acquire.
Literally none of that applies in a real world situation especially not a damn banger
@@ViktoriousDead well I guess you'll have to take that up with Drill SGT Brown with Alpha 3-34, Fort Jackson South Carolina.
You let that spoon slip and you might be holding the "banger" when it goes off, which is not something that I would imagine is conductive to still having fingers when you go home afterwards.
@@rickhowe5082 in the Finnish army we hold the spoon into the palm of our hand and not just the thumb. Feels very secure there. But yeah never hold the spon with your fingers.
Interesting to see how different militaries do it differently
I have the FBG6 and it is rated at 140db. I love how you addressed the cost. It took me a long time to afford them so I haven’t used them but seeing your reaction makes me feel so good that they are, for now, pretty superior! I understand real bangs go up to 175db
I got some of those too! Love how lightweight they are. Yeah that's what I have seen regarding real flashbang. Saw there was a multibanger and the specs on that said it was 145db so these are pretty close to at least one of the real flashbangs in regards to how loud they are.
I checked the site for this model, said it was for LE only. I'll C&P the description below:
"Meet the “FBG-6 mini” is the first product by TAGinn designed for professional purposes only. This grenade is NOT for the consumer market and will be used only for the professional LE and military activity, such as training or the “soft stun” effect. The sound report is 10 dB higher than at the rest of our other grenades.
Package bundle: 10 x “FBG-6 mini” hand grenades in a cardboard box."
@@ricksters11 you are correct the "mini" are for LEOs. There is another model that are just FBG. They are black, not orange like the mini and are for civilians. The site you went to might not have the normal, civilian ones
I have the FBG-6 MINI which are even louder. 😅
I don't understand why he used a frag grenade reproduction for comparison to a flashbang. 🤔
If real deal Flash bangs are 170+ and you wanna know what they're like, try firing an AR pistol, something like a 10.5 barrel. Put a muzzle break on it and shoot it under cover at the range. It will probably permanently damage your ears if they're un-covered. Or, you could do the same thing in an indoor cinderblock room. I had a gun recoil and knock my ear protection loose and I absolutely damaged my hearing I. My right ear permanently from 1 shot at 170+ in that room. ;)
Acoustic sound levels, measured in Decibels ("db"), are a logarithmic scale. Each time a sound’s decibel level increases by 3db, its acoustic energy intensity doubles. The decibel scale is not linear. Therefore, a sound level increase of 10 dB sound is 10 times more energy, a 20 dB sound level increase is 100 times more energy, and a 30 dB sound level increase is 1,000 times more energy.
If the grenade labels are true as to the IWA = 124db and the TAG grenade = 140db, the resulting difference is 16db. The TAG grenade is, therefore, 40X louder than the IWA based upon acoustic power calculations. I wrote a Microsoft Excel calculator using the logarithmic formula for it:
Decibel Change Calculator
Enter Sound Level 1 140.0 db Enter the Higher db Value (TAGinn)
Enter Sound Level 2 124.0 db Enter the Lower db Value (IWA)
Gain/loss 16.0 db Difference in db
Sound Level 1 has: 39.81 X Approximately 40X more sound energy than sound level 2
It was no wonder you flinched at the TAG grenade. You upped the acoustic energy level by 40 times over the IWA the moment you tossed it. By the way, even short term exposure can cause permanent damage. 140db is the loudest recommended exposure WITH hearing protection!
Excellent explanation thank you! I struggled to explain that even though I had read it. Wasn't as simplified as you were able to explain it. Thanks again!
@@CivilianWarrior Due to your courtesy, you just gained another subscriber!
I have the FBG-6 . They were $10 a piece + 30 has mat fee.I was pretty impressed.They are from Russia makes sense that they don't have them anymore.
I believe they moved production to another country, it's now import paperwork needs to be approved again, may take some time
@Jiří Švestka any word?
@@seth4x4 Any idea if Tagginn is producing again?
@@FlatRangeOperator our government moves slowly on everything. They're being made, there just not getting here for awhile
@@seth4x4 I can attest to that
Tip for people, if you have a nade bouncing around in your bag you can wrap the spoon with electrical tape for extra security. When you pull the pin orient the spoon into the web between your thumb and index finger. Flashbangs are surprisingly light and hard to throw.
Videos like this get Atf attention so “ how is that legal” may be responded by Atf by illegalizing it since they are the legislative branch nowadays
They’re both legally classified as pyrotechnics, like fireworks. The M12 is a “distraction device” and the TAG-19 & 67 are airsoft frag grenades, they have airsoft bbs molded in the foam, so when you shake them they don’t make a noise. If you want a true TAGGIN stun grenade, get the FBG-4/6
Tag inn is Russian, so we will not see them anymore. They look fun to try out.
@@matthewdowney5449 they’re an airsoft company with ties in Western Europe, they are in the process of moving locations. We’ll still see them, maybe sometime later this year
The Alphabet soup knows about everything available on the civilian market. They won't give a shit until one is used in a crime that gets the housewives all flustered, and a cuckold politician uses them as leverage in their attention-seeking campaign.
This is the entire history of the NFA.
The ATF is out side of checks and balances. Abolish the ATF
You can always just use a 12 gauge bore thunder rounds as distraction devices. They offer several advantages over even restricted distraction devices, and they're not regulated at all because they're considered ammunition and not an explosive. They're directional, so you can focus the direction of the blast towards the badguy, they work great for breaching windows, and you can load a whole lot more than you can traditional "flash bangs", especially the shorter casing ones. Plus, they're way cheaper. I've used them many times in real world situations even though we had flash bangs in our arsenal (that had to be collected, logged, and accounted for in every instance in case of an BATF audit. Yes, law enforcement agencies still get audited by the ATF albeit rarely). With the bore thunders, we could just use them and eject the empty casing. No fuss. No bureaucratic red tape. Overall, they're better in my opinion.
Now, ALS used to make a true stun grenade (which flash bangs are not) that was freaking devastating. Those were sort of a last resort option because the overpressure was such that they would really mess anyone up who was within the vicinity of the blast, but I've only heard of them being used one time in a real life situation on a barricaded subject with an AK, and only after the SWAT teams breach was delayed and the element of surprise was lost. The blast left him deaf and delirious and even knocked the ceiling tile and air condition return vent out from the room he was in. I've had flash bangs go off at my feet with no earplugs in (forgot to put them in) and was perfectly fine, and I've been down the hallway from a room when one of those stun grenades were used, and we had to open our mouths while keeping our jaws clenched to allow air to escape and prevent the overpressure from collapsing our lungs. Those things are awesome!
Thank you for advice in definitely going to look into that as soon as I'm home. 🤙
I'm wondering how close those stun grenades come to a pure concussion grenade. Although maybe my curiosity is stemming from not fully understanding terminology and not any physical differences between the two devices.
@@JustIn-op6oy that's exactly what they are, concussion grenades. They're so much more powerful than a regular flash bang. Flash bangs are merely distraction devices meant to distract someone with a loud noise and flash just for a split second to allow for a team to enter and get off the first shot, but the concussion grenades literally discombobulate and completely disorient the occupant or occupants indefinitely. The amount of overpressure is awesome.
@@JustIn-op6oy a flashbang is disorienting for a split second, even one that goes off nine times isn't really that much better. A concussion grenade is so powerful that it causes you to be completely deafened and possibly blinded or make your lungs collapse if it's close enough in a small enough area.
It's like getting knocked out cold with a lead pipe.
@@Terminal-Vet ahh, I guess I screwed up with categorization. I thought concussion grenades were intended to do physical damage/death via the over pressure wave as opposed to fragmentation.
As an airsoft guy I will say I love those things. They are a lot of fun on both ends, it adds a level to playing that is just great
Well this video should get them band pretty fast…
they're out of stock and illegal now apparently. i contact a taginn rep and said their grenades fall under russian ammo ban.
@@prod1gy216 They are trying to manufacture them here from what I heard, hope so!
@@hmg9194 they said they were trying to make adjustments to their products and get them out by summer of this year. idk how thats possible with the on going war.
Russian ammo ban!
Sobs have been causing an ammo shortage for years.
This Russian ammo ban is another tyrant traitor trick.
Oath violators.
Any youngins read this;
Know the constitution & how it applies.
Know history & the declaration of independence.
If you get a gov job that requires you take an oath, honor that oath.
Know honor.
A lot of good people have sacraficed everything for our liberties .
DONT make me shake my cane at you!
(Smc)
Your reaction to the airsoft grenade exploding was priceless.
Honestly I was just as shocked as you were watching this on my phone.
Great video.
Just uploaded a video of them going off at night to see the "flash"
about as loud as a chainsaw ..... not too disorienting but yeah really, really loud
I don’t think the average person realizes the difference between 126 dB and 140 dB is not just the 14 dB difference it is more than twice as loud because of the way to the scale works
I agree, I can't recall exactly but each additional decibel is around 12% greater sound or something like that.
4:28 IWA M12
8:12 TAGinn N17
Been at events where they throw a metric ton of those Taginns and without earpro your ears will start ringing after a while. It'll surely take you by surprise lol
Check out the BANG 22 airsoft grenade. It's rated for the same amount of decibels but after 100 purchase price, its 7cents per toss. It uses 22 nail gun cartridges. Easy choice for airsoft but could be great for tactical use, especially during training.
Thank you, I'll look into that. Appreciate the comment.
I have these and agree they are awesome.
They have now gone bankrupt lol
So basically the Valken Tactical CO2 grenades are louder at 130 decibels and far cheaper to buy…..
I actually found out later on that the taginn (Russian looking one) sets off at 130db
Bro aren't we trying to normalize stuff like this for civs. That thumbnail is counter productive
Totally
Jeol Erk from the keyboard warrior battalion
don't show this to the civs, dude.
That TAGinn test and reaction: _priceless_ .
So the Tag-19 is a frag grenade, so they do have airsoft Bbs in them. The tag-67 is also a frag. Hence why you had shit flying everywhere when it exploded
The taginn FBG-6 is sound/flash only.
Can’t seem to find any comparisons between them. Are the 19 and 67 virtually the same except cosmetics? And sound wise is the FBG much louder/brighter?
@@turnerables Yeah they only have a cosmetic difference and the FBG is loud with a bright flash, they also make smoke grenades that are pretty effective, I'd reference Novritschs recent video for all the grenades.
Lol! So this dude actually exploded an airsoft frag??😂😂
For future reference the letter under "ТАГ-19" (litterally TAG-19) tells you what kind you have. The one you tested in the feild was "ш" (pronounced "sha" and makes "sh" sound in a word) has BBs in it. The one at the end was "у" (U as is in "boot") and is just a flash and a bang. Ш is slightly heavier than у.
Yes russian
But no a in ш
Спасибо!
The cost for flash bangs is nothing compared to not having them 😂 this is awesome thanks for the video, I was thinking of this exact thing recently.
Believe me, I work in government law enforcement, and these flashbangs aren't nearly as loud, bright or effective as the real ones, as the real ones occasionally cause minor concussions without proper standoff, temporary to longer term blindness, along with spontaneous fires from the pyrotechnics used to make them.
Ok. If no one else is going to ask the obvious question, I guess I will.
So what's the purpose of throwing them in the homes of senior citizens who have heart conditions & In the cribs of sleeping babies?
@@jupitercyclops6521 there isn't a purpose for that, and why do you ask did something happen recently?
@@jupitercyclops6521 it's a diversion... Obviously...
@@steelrainfpv3383 yeah it's happened.
@@jupitercyclops6521 “if no one’s gonna ask my extremely inbred question I will” fixed it for you
Im actually laughing over your reaction to the taginn. I've had to suffer through an indoor arena game against 2 guys packing co2 shell bursting grenades.
Taggin's are airsoft grenades. Theres also a paintball version. The main difference is 1 has airsoft bb's and the other has paint. They are loud enough to cause your ears to ring. Ive been on the reciving end of one of a pyro airsot grenade going off from about 15 ft and they are verry loud. The kill radius 10ft. Taggins are also avaliable for 40mm airsoft grenade launchers but you will need an adapter
This is bringing back terrible memories of the days when I reffed paintball (as part of my team's sponsorship deal). One multiple occasions I had to threaten to call the cops on some mil-sim whackjob who brought real flashbangs intending to use them on the field. I guess he missed the repeated signs (and verbage on the waiver they signed) stating absolutely no explosives of any sort allowed on the fields. It still feels surreal 20 years later thinking back on being 16 and having grown ass men threaten to assault me because I was adamant about keeping everyone safe.
Frags should be legal. If the military can have it, so can we.
ahaha - that was a dream product endorsement - for ONE of them anyway, not gonna spoil it. Kind of a nice plot twist though 😂️
Excellent video! Glad to see someone reviewing these products
Thank you! Going to be reviewing IWA smoke device vs enola gaye next week once they get delivered.
Actual test starts at 4:30
Thanks dude
Excellent field analysis and testing of product quality.
Thank you!
your taggin reaction was mine too when I set it off in my suburb neighborhood lmao! That shit is fucking insane and badass! luckily didn't get in trouble but I'm never doing that again haha
Lol thank you, some ppl are thinking I was acting and yeah I don't want to risk tossing another one in my neighborhood
Be safe out there brother you never know who or what could be lurking just out of your line of sight
Hey man you don’t gotta explain why you got your side arm on you, responsible and environment aware gun owner will understand it’s a crazy world right now and has been for a while. Always ready is a good motto to live by my man.
The flash of the second one was much more impressive too.
You need to test them in a dark space to evaluate the flash.
OH MAN! When I saw you let off the last one I was! Man that was crazy 🤣😆 I’m gonna get those
Unfortunately my timing of this video wasn't good. Taginn is currently made in Russian and due to current conflicts, isn't able to be imported into the US. Taginn is apparently looking to move it's manufacturing to another country but who knows if that's real and or how long that will take.
That was my reaction when one of the Taggin gernades landed next to me for the first time at the airsoft field
I kinda want to toss one inside a building or home. I'm sure it'll be louder!
@@CivilianWarrior You definitely need ear pro inside buildings. Gave my friend a headache for the rest of the day after he was inside an airsoft shoot house with a bunch of these.
One of those blew up like 8 inches left from my head at a game. I could only hear it on the right side because it immediately blew out my left eardrum.
@@CivilianWarrior DONT DO THAT! The TAG-19 & 67 have airsoft BBs in them, if you want to do that use the FBG-4/6. It’s a little louder but all you’d have to worry about is burn marks.
You can legit use the airsoft civilian flashbag type devices to get the same effect. You can train with them as well as use them in a real-life situation and they are just reusable.
"OHH SHITTT" LMAO that reaction
I didn't think it was going to be louder than IWA LOL
Just went to their website and they have a civilian version of their law enforcement flash bang. Would be interesting to see that compared to this one.
I'm trying to get some of those once they are back in stock
That second one really went BANG!
did you notice the small piece that came rolling down the hill a few seconds after the taginn went off?! lol 8:23 from right to left, a small piece rolled back down
@@CivilianWarrior I did see it, lucky it didn't hit you.
When he did the first banger I thought to myself.. my airsoft banger is louder than that & mine only cost around $20 each.. no way would I be spending over $40 on that little thing lol. TagIn all the way!
I use TAGinn for airsoft, I love them for the mock force on force events. unfortunately TAGinn is a Russian company and its really hard to obtain for those fun weekend Airsoft events. You can also use them for Paintball! That and the Enola Gaye smoke "Pyrotechnics" A lot of photographers use their smoke "bombs" for cool visual effects.
Taginn actually shut down their Russian plants and moved everything to Latvia. They are getting their import permits now and hope to send more product to the US market within two months
Just an FYI these were banned as part of the Russian ammo ban and are no longer available until they move production to Poland or otherwise solve the issue. I found your video looking for reviews on the IWA units for my kit and not for airsoft.
I can't seem to find a definitive answer on that. I bought mine after Sept 7th which is when the ban took place. I also reached out to the company I purchased these from, they told me they has no issues bringing them in after the ban took affect. I contacted Taginn b4 the start of the war with Ukraine asking if they were affected. In their broken English they said they were going to try shipping more to the US this month(March). But now with the war, i wouldn't be surprised the initial 12 month ammo ban gets extended until Russia pulls out.
@@CivilianWarrior they have been working for months on it, and this was confirmed to me by distributors. I work in the airsoft world, but I'm also in the real steel world too, so I've used the taginn stuff for years. What you were getting was stock left over I'm sure as I just got a few boxes of FBG6 which don't spray pellets in November. All that said they may have worked something out because they technically shouldn't have been banned from import.
@@EDDSkitz oh ok, then I'll defer to your knowledge as you work in the industry and know more than me. Even those fbg-6 are louder than iwa. I think you'll be disappointed with their performance. I will say, I do like the size of iwa but very overpriced.
Does anyone want to sell me a couple they have? I just want to add it to my home defense kit.
@@danylopez7612 Lololol, go to amped airsoft, they do pyro shipped easy and you can have a reminder sent when back in stock.
we use these all the time in airsoft, especially the taginn grenades. Enola gaye makes some too that are more affordable than the IWA options. come to an american milsim event and embrace the boom
Taginn makes flashbangs too. Way louder than the tag19s
The taginn catalog says these are the loudest ones they make. The FBG are 130db and these tag 19 are 140db. Except for the FBG mini which are made for the police
Aaaaaas soon as I saw and hear the second one I instantly said “I want….I need”🤣
Damn Man. Impressive bang, but it sure looked like a fairly big piece of something came flying back towards you at high velocity with the Taginn. Was that the spoon? Sounded like it hit something behind you.
Hi, sorry could have sworn I replied. The entire unit breaks apart unlike the IWA. I couldn't find the spoon so I'm not really sure. Definitely recommend wearing some type of eye and ear protection!
Lol😂 this is because this wasn’t a flash bang! It was an airsoft frag grenade 😂 that thing is embedded with airsoft bb’s in the wall of the grenade (no rattle to give you away) So yeah…
@@Av-vd3wk technically the one I used was the training version with no bbs
These would be great while hiking if approached by an aggressive dog, bear or mountain lion.
Exactly! If I had the time, I would rather use one of these to scare it away vs having to shoot it. After all it's their home
Airsoft definitely is not soft. There have been loads of players that have had to dig pellets out from close hist on exposed skin.
Pretty soft compared to getting shot by real guns.
Back when the 2nd amendment was written, it was understood & practiced for citizens to have their own war ships with cannons and puckle guns.
Again, right to bear "ARMS", not just firearms.
Yeah people owned slaves too. Aren't we glad times are changing? Oh you aren't? Sad face.
Yep, you shouldn’t own a firearm
@@michaelvick2872 The AI has been really obvious lately. Always with the general first & last name & letter profile pic.
Again, god given rights, not man. Man nor government granted / gave me these rights, therefore no man nor government can infringe or take them away because again, they are not god. God. Given. You can't take away something that is given to us by natural law / gods law. It is something every person is born with, the right of self protection, for if you have no right to protect yourself than how can you claim you are a individual living being with your own conscience & self worth ? If you cannot protect yourself then you are not free not exist, you are less than a animal, which is exactly what the elite think of you
Get over it bud
Just a few corrections, the IWA m12 single bang are $33 and you can buy up to 27 per hazmat fee of $40, if you buy 12 or more they are $31. The m11 4bangers are $44, same purchase of 27 per $40 hazmat and 12 or more are $42.
In my business and recreation I use both IWA and Taginn products and even though Taginn are cheaper per unit they tend to have a higher failure rate in my experience. Not sure why unless they are more mass produced akin to common fireworks. In Taginn's defense they have a great ml36, 36mm grenade launcher system operated by HPA and I rarely have a failure with those rounds. Unfortunately Taginn is not being imported to the USA thanks to Biden's Russia sanctions, no end to that in sight.Both IWA and Taginn's items are made and exported from the UK and Russia respectively, even without the sanctions it is very expensive and time consuming to import this stuff and the hazmat fees don't help. It's a real shame that there isn't an American company stepping up to fill the void.
Being flashbangs ain't exactly the hardest thing in the world to make
Airsoft fields only allow specific brands
I love TAGinn grenades for the disorienting effect and because they’re disposable. I’ll often loose reusable airsoft grenades or have them stolen.
I’m surprised to see that you nearly got taken out by the spoon!
Would the spoon be an issue if I wanted to use this at an airsoft game? I don't want that spoon hitting someone in the mouth or un-protected head.
I haven't played airsoft yet but I would ask the staff of they are ok to use. As for the spoon hurting, I personally would be more worried about the airsoft balls hurting more. Let a friend shoot me from 15 feet and each ball actually broke my skin.
Doubt it. Usually the spoon detaches from the grenade once throw, why it didn’t here I don’t know.
That’ll depend on the weapon system, bb weight and velocity. I’m not sure of the velocity of the frag but I’m sure it’s pretty minor. Airsoft BBs can definitely break skin if someone is running a hot gun and breaks the rules.
Most of the time it just hurts a little depending on where you get hit.
Here: ua-cam.com/video/C3SJy1r3t4o/v-deo.html
In this video you can see the spoon detached. It is possible that the core was ejected, hard to say. It is made of plastic however.
This is why proper protection is important. Plenty of players can and will loose their hearing if they don’t wear ear pro, and you can get hit in the face either by frag or BBs if you don’t wear face protection.
It’s a contact sport and dangerous if you’re negligent. Everyone knows this when going in. As long as everyone stays in the rules and has proper gear, it’s safe (relatively).
@@CivilianWarrior it really depends on what type of Airsoft you played too. My friends and I used to play very casual at each other's houses but we played with spring weapons and not CO2 so usually we would wear just t-shirts (and glasses obviously) and have Exposed Skin and we were fine. It might sting a little bit but I only remember once were it actually broke my skin. CO2 airsoft is a whole other game I don't have any experience with that but they all look pretty legit when I see them at paintball fields.
I actually remember when I got my airsoft gun so I didn't have to borrow it anymore my dad who had no experience with airsoft very stupidly put the gun all the way up against his leg and shot himself. It definitely hurt more than what he was expecting but it didn't go into his skin because it was spring of course. They can be hit-or-miss but my model is pretty accurate within 20 ft maybe a bit further haven't played in a while
The 2nd one would be worth the money the 1st 1 sucked
I would like to find a civilian legal stingball grenade one day
One day
I was completely unimpressed with the first bang. Not much of a distraction there. The second device was substantially louder.
But none of these things will work on someone who is experiencing them. A SWAT Team lobbed a Def Tec in my house and were very surprised when their little toy didn't work.
The Ruskie bangers look like a lot of fun. Hopefully the jackasses in this country don't discover them and give their friends and family members heart attacks with them.
Had swat shoot flashers into a house that got raided I was at. I mean I was long gone out the bacc window into a marsh. But shit sounded like a cannon booming
some can be duds that dont go off as hard as they should. also bad placement is a thing...if a properly cooked one went off before it hit the ground in a room i imagine without earplugs while out from cover youd be feeling it.
They need to bang hard enough to blow out windows.
Well,...... regardless if they are "legal" or not, no government, government agency or representative of any agency has the authority to implement or enforce any such "laws" that would prohibit an American citizen from manufacturing, acquiring, possessing or utilizing these or even regular fragmentation grenades. You're welcome:)
Not that I disagree.... but the feds don't care. And then it's salad tossing time.
You cannot just say something and make it true. The government does have this authority. You can go on and on about it, but prison will seem awfully real...
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 You would allow yourself to be detained? Arrested? Charged and tried? Without defending yourself using whatever means necessary upto and including the use of deadly force to ensure the continuity of your rights and freedoms guaranteed per the United States constitution? God damn bruh. Maybe you're much nicer and compliant than I am.
@@camcameron1430 Yes. I recognize that law is a necessary requirement in any society, and I also value my life and the lives of others. There is not a single country in the history of humanity that has flourished without law or government. There will ALWAYS be those who victimize others to better themselves.
"You would allow yourself to be detained? Arrested? Charged and tried? Without defending yourself using whatever means necessary upto and including the use of deadly force to ensure the continuity of your rights and freedoms guaranteed per the United States constitution?'
You do realize that your rights and the constitution ALLOW for arrest and detention, right? Your argument rests on the theory that an arrest is inherently not allowed by either, when the opposite is true. In fact, if you were to resist a legal arrest, you would be spitting in the face of the constitution because it specifically states when such an interaction is allowed.
@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 Of course arrests are allowed. And necessary. We are a nation of laws. However one must defend himself from unconstitutional, and thus null and void "laws". The second amendment isn't terribly difficult to comprehend. Unless you're a democrat. Ergo an American citizen not only had the right, but many would argue the duty to defend himself, his home and his family using whatever means necessary upto and including the use of deadly force to mitigate any threat to his rights and freedoms and being secure in his person, place, papers and effects per the United States constitution. Regardless of any "law" that is contradictory to this end. Yes, I know. There are many individuals that would definitely send a strongly worded email if their rights were violated. Perhaps some would file a "formal complaint". Some would even go to court with ambitions of being found "not guilty". However some do not find these as an acceptable recourse for a blatant transgression against an American citizen and an American citizens Rights and freedoms.
Man! I had the best laughs for the tag-19 granade reaction that I have had in a long time! Those are seriously loud devices :D
The reason they price it like that and shipped like that is to keep people from buying them unless you have a genuine need for them. It's used for indoor use . To shock the bad guys senses to give you the advantage when breaching rooms . It's a tactical tool not for outside use.
The $40 is hazmat fee, it's a federally required fee, and it's per case, you can get up to 50 of the eg67 airsoft frag grenades for 1 hazmat fee, I think the taginns are around the same per case if you order in bulk
Correct
did a room clearing drill in a furnished room in a kill house. I threw the tag in in the room n set the couch on fire and very loud. we had to get the fire extinguishers out. these things ain't no joke. I still laugh my ass off
i honestly didnt even think about the pistol, notice it, or care about it until you brought it up.
I moved into a new neighborhood and we had some neighbors 3 houses down that got raided one morning. I was in my living room when the cops threw a flash bang or something into their house. When it went off, it was so loud that the pictures on my wall jumped off the wall and it sounded like it was in my living room. You could literally feel the acoustics or the pressure coming off of it. It was really scary and I was three houses away! I couldn't imagine how devastating one of those would be if you were in the same room when it goes off. Awesome video!
Damn that's some serious stuff.
Thank you!
Dragonmans wife was killed by a smoke grenade, be careful with any GRENADE!
Oooh my dude running Goruck swag. Awesome company and even better challenges.
So you may be interested to know that the IWA is manufactured by TLSFX here in the UK. These are now considered an explosive and require specialist "pyrotechnic" licences to own. These are the same kinds of licences that control the regulation on gunpowder and ammunition. So basically in less than 6-7 years we went from these being used at airsoft arenas and readily available to all civilians, to them being a completely prohibited explosive item under current legislation. I had three variations M11 - M12 and M13 all were confiscated and destroyed.
He said "oh shit lmao" 🤣🤣 God video brother you got a new sub
Haha thank you!
i watched the green case fly by you, i was worried. then you said it was foam lol. sick!
Dude almost gets smacked with plastic shrapnel. “Yeah, This one is FTW” 😂 buuurah im glad you didnt get hurt
The only reason bangers are illegal is because the blasting caps can be used as primary ignition for explosives, they’re the only controlled piece
I wonder how a bear or mountain Lion would react to one of these?
I had the same reaction as you damn that was strong and loud
Possibly already stated, but aren't these meant to be deployed in a building? Testing these outdoors in an open area isn't gonna give an accurate feel for how loud they would be indoors.
That said, that second one would be crazy loud in an enclosed space 🤯
They'd definitely be louder inside. But it would also depend on the size of the room and what was inside the room. If i tossed it inside a room with a lot of furniture, it wouldn't be as loud as if I tossed it in a shipping container.
"How are those things legal?" You can't be serious 🤦🏾
It's meant to grab ppls attention...
@@CivilianWarrior you’re gonna help ruin it for all of us; but hey at least you’re getting views, right?
Good prep work on the item(s) at the beginning of the video haha. I’m just messing around. Thanks for sharing.
Hey 8 min videos = 2 ads which means double the revenue for me. Had to fill in the time lol.
The shipping sounds high--only if you don't consider what HAZMAT shipping adds to that cost.
Biggest issue I see is that the tag inn one looks like an RDG5.
On my SHTF carrier I have an Enola Gaye EG18 Smoke device, but it looks like a soda can.
A good cop would recognize this is not a real destructive device.
But if I hang a distraction device that looks like a real grenade from my kit, I'm probably gonna be the first guy taken out!
I would rather pay the extra to have something that looks like a distraction device than risk someone sending the ATF to my door
Valid point! I stuffed an enola gaye milx smoke and two of the Russian looking devices in a small gp pouch from spiritus systems. This way no one sees what I have.
...are we not gonna talk about the top of the TAGinn yeeting towards him?
Why not just talk to me about it!? Lol. I read every post and try to reply to them all.
That's some funny sh*t!!!! I love your reaction when the TAGinn goes off. Keep up the good work!
🤣 Thank you!!
Good thing you tested them in bright daylight!
I also have a friend who is USMC retired, and CHP retired, and has two sons, one of which is a Pinellas County deputy, and the other is active duty USMC.
Small world. I'm sure they're different folks.
The shipping makes sense because it's an explosive. I'm actually surprised they aren't over 50 bucks each after shipping.
The second one had me cracking up with your reaction. LMAO.
Me too 😂
Suddenly I want a few bangers.
That was some funny shit. I bet all the airsoft guys are laughing and caught on early when he mis-categorized those Taginns as a flash bang. I only watched the rest of the video to see him learn that lesson.
That's exactly why I took my so long to buy them, bc I knew they were over priced as is the shipping. I was director of supply chain & logistics for a very big company so I know what shipping really costs.
Those are rebranded TLSFX grenades. Their company is in the UK. If you can, buy direct from them next time. But honestly, Taginn makes a better flashbang. Cheaper and louder.
Bruh ur facial expression and body movement was priceless I'm gonna order sum
😂
Those audible grunts you made when you had to pick up the first flash bang.... Liao I feel u buddy. Me too
What!? I gotta rewatch my own video now 🤣
As an airsoft guy, I was waiting with a simile on my face for you to throw that when I saw that other pics of shit go off
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Make sure you keep the spoon inward towards your palm, not towards your fingers. Also nice Bengal in the background.
Response was a great sales pitch for TAGinn.
You are my HERO. Nice way to interrupt a car jacking. Drop that at his feet. Or leave in my car as he begins to drive off.