My new custom steel bike in process from a US builder is being built up with Campy 10 speed Centaur and rim brakes. I have had enough of charging everything over the last four years just to go out for a ride. I ran Campy stuff years ago and never had issues and my bike was always ready to go without having to do anything but check the tire pressures. And the noisy disc brakes. The noobs can have these modern gadgets, I'll be fine with old school.
Excellent quick review, no bs assessment. Imo, matte finish ideal for gravel. Less worry about debris strikes or hitting the deck. However, no surprise about pricing, battery form factor too big (limiting rear tire widths?) and no battery interchangeability. Hope Campy gets on with it for next gen Record and Chorus gravel wireless. Campy is killing me, lol
Campag SHOULD try and get some Shimano or SRAM technicians on board. Who the hell are these Groupsets marketed at 🤷🏻♀️. We’re all not on £50k a year jobs. I’ll stick with Record/Chorus 10spd for now as it just WORKS. And I don’t need to do a full Lobotomy on replacing a brake block as you’d do with spending 3 hours bleeding disc brakes. RIM brakes stopped me for the last 45 years even going down alpine passes in the wet and work in Scottish Rain also. Read the room Campag.
My guess is to justify the price by masking it under their top groupset name. $4300 is hefty, so saying it’s for weightier Super Record rather than just second-tier Record could work on whoever still uses Campy.
Can someone explain to me how come Campagnolo and Sram are fully wireless while Shimano still requires you to use wires in the frame? Is it a patent issue?
I think something like that could be at play, but I do like how Shimano does their wireless, or, semi-wireless. Sure, you still have two wires connecting the derailleurs to a battery, but vastly longer battery life. FSA were the first ones with that design in the still little known, WE groupset.
Still not a real gravel option with that cassette. When they release stuff like this, I’m rather confused as were they positioning this in the marketplace? I’ve grown up on a stable diet if Campag, but they done very little to retain old users or draw in new ones. Which beckons the question: what is Campagnolo actually dont these days? They don’t sponsor any pro teams? They didn’t attend Euro Bike and have skipped several shows. The current management is really handling business operations from an underground bunker because they have lost touch with the surface! Give them another decade of stumbling and it will be bought out and renamed Chinganolo.
@@argoperdana6823 Gotcha. Shimano is just so good. IMHO, their semi-wireless is the best approach to wireless. Two wires, connect the battery to the derailleurs, front end is wireless. Maximum battery life. FSA were the first with this type of design and their little known WE system.
Definitely pricey. Perhaps the technology ends up trickling down to more affordable Campy groupsets. And perhaps these lower-tier groupsets could come with bigger cassettes.
Wireless ekar would/will sell a metric gazillion more groups than super record s. Mind boggles why its not their absolute highest priority. Shoulda been released instead of ekar gt. what are they smoking in vicenza. Im a 20 year Campy guy switched to Di2 12 speed which is magically good and while not cheap it’s not stupid either now with 105
Finally a 11-32 cassette but still ridiculous cassette gear ratios introduced with the original WRL. Uselessly tight jumps in the lower gears. 10-29 is acceptable (10-30 would be better), 10-25 is 100% useless. Apart from negligible weight saving you don't gain anything from going down to 10-25 as there are no potentially annoying gear jumps in the 10-27 to begin with. Why no 10-32 or something?
11-32 is as close as you're getting for this launch. I would prefer 11-34, especially paired with the 45/29, and assuming I slapped this onto an Allroad / Gravel build... not a proposition for most people.
Campagnolo have lost the plot 😢 I’m a fan of campy but these new group sets are ridiculous.. no young riders will ever get into new Campag gourpsets crazy.. I’ll never buy one.. I’ll stick with mechanical 11 speed chorus on a couple of my others bikes.. and go shimano 12 speed di2 on anything else. Pete 👍🚴🏻
My new custom steel bike in process from a US builder is being built up with Campy 10 speed Centaur and rim brakes. I have had enough of charging everything over the last four years just to go out for a ride. I ran Campy stuff years ago and never had issues and my bike was always ready to go without having to do anything but check the tire pressures. And the noisy disc brakes. The noobs can have these modern gadgets, I'll be fine with old school.
I love Campy 10... I began stashing 10 speed parts a long time ago. I do wish Campy would reproduce the 10 speed ergo cog, and the G springs.
@@GravelCyclist I Squirreled a new Centaur 10 speed group years ago and that's what being used on this new bike frame.
@@Raymond-Farts Well played and planned!
Thank you. Always first class production. The video’s you made from the bike show were excellent.
Thank you, Felix.
Excellent quick review, no bs assessment. Imo, matte finish ideal for gravel. Less worry about debris strikes or hitting the deck. However, no surprise about pricing, battery form factor too big (limiting rear tire widths?) and no battery interchangeability. Hope Campy gets on with it for next gen Record and Chorus gravel wireless. Campy is killing me, lol
Hope they bring those crank options down market.
I love the 45/29 option.
Campag SHOULD try and get some Shimano or SRAM technicians on board. Who the hell are these Groupsets marketed at 🤷🏻♀️. We’re all not on £50k a year jobs. I’ll stick with Record/Chorus 10spd for now as it just WORKS. And I don’t need to do a full Lobotomy on replacing a brake block as you’d do with spending 3 hours bleeding disc brakes. RIM brakes stopped me for the last 45 years even going down alpine passes in the wet and work in Scottish Rain also. Read the room Campag.
LOVE 10 speed Record / Chorus, arguably the best groupsets Campagnolo ever made! Sitting on a nice little stash of those parts :)
Why didn't they just call it the Campagnolo Record like they used to do?
Not a clue. I was a little perplexed, your suggestion would make logical sense considering the company's naming history and tiered groupsets.
My guess is to justify the price by masking it under their top groupset name. $4300 is hefty, so saying it’s for weightier Super Record rather than just second-tier Record could work on whoever still uses Campy.
Super Record S actually sounds like it was the more premium option. Same with Ekar GT which sounds like a step up from just Ekar.
They should launch a Chorus wireless (all aluminium) with at 45/29 and drop the price so that it competes with AXS.
LOVE this idea. Add a 11-34 or 11-36 cassette to that, noiiiice!
Can someone explain to me how come Campagnolo and Sram are fully wireless while Shimano still requires you to use wires in the frame? Is it a patent issue?
I think something like that could be at play, but I do like how Shimano does their wireless, or, semi-wireless. Sure, you still have two wires connecting the derailleurs to a battery, but vastly longer battery life. FSA were the first ones with that design in the still little known, WE groupset.
@@GravelCyclist Idd, its just smarter than everything wireless in my opinion.
Still not a real gravel option with that cassette. When they release stuff like this, I’m rather confused as were they positioning this in the marketplace? I’ve grown up on a stable diet if Campag, but they done very little to retain old users or draw in new ones. Which beckons the question: what is Campagnolo actually dont these days? They don’t sponsor any pro teams? They didn’t attend Euro Bike and have skipped several shows. The current management is really handling business operations from an underground bunker because they have lost touch with the surface! Give them another decade of stumbling and it will be bought out and renamed Chinganolo.
That rear derailleur is huuuuuge, nothing changed from the Super Record WRL I guess
Same form factor for certain. I hope they re-do the design next release of WRL?
@@GravelCyclist I hope so! Personally, the new SRAM RED is the maximum tolerable size
@@argoperdana6823 The SRAM derailleur isn't exactly beautiful.
@@GravelCyclist I'm only talking about the size... Dura-Ace's RD is still the winner design-wise
@@argoperdana6823 Gotcha. Shimano is just so good. IMHO, their semi-wireless is the best approach to wireless. Two wires, connect the battery to the derailleurs, front end is wireless. Maximum battery life. FSA were the first with this type of design and their little known WE system.
You would think as time goes on technology shrinks into smaller more advanced components. Apparently it’s just the opposite in Italy😂
Definitely pricey. Perhaps the technology ends up trickling down to more affordable Campy groupsets. And perhaps these lower-tier groupsets could come with bigger cassettes.
I'm still sitting on an 11 speed NOS Athena EPS groupset, so there is hope for trickle down?
Sram costa 5 mila dollari$$🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Why TF is there still no wireless Ekar? It makes no sense!
I am curious if there is a big demand for it? I have seen many comments in the past about desiring an electronic variant of Ekar.
Wireless ekar would/will sell a metric gazillion more groups than super record s. Mind boggles why its not their absolute highest priority. Shoulda been released instead of ekar gt. what are they smoking in vicenza. Im a 20 year Campy guy switched to Di2 12 speed which is magically good and while not cheap it’s not stupid either now with 105
Matt finishes can be really hard to keep clean.
The worst color in matte to keep clean, white. I've seen white frames in this finish, hard pass on that. White gloss, different story, so nice!
Finally a 11-32 cassette but still ridiculous cassette gear ratios introduced with the original WRL. Uselessly tight jumps in the lower gears. 10-29 is acceptable (10-30 would be better), 10-25 is 100% useless. Apart from negligible weight saving you don't gain anything from going down to 10-25 as there are no potentially annoying gear jumps in the 10-27 to begin with. Why no 10-32 or something?
11-32 is as close as you're getting for this launch. I would prefer 11-34, especially paired with the 45/29, and assuming I slapped this onto an Allroad / Gravel build... not a proposition for most people.
Campagnolo definitely lost the plot. Love their Bora WTO wheels, but their groupsets are lost in space.
Sad to see this company struggle
How so?
@@GravelCyclist they’re trying to stay relevant, but people rarely ride campy now a days
Definitely sad not seeing them on any World Tour bikes.
Campagnolo have lost the plot 😢 I’m a fan of campy but these new group sets are ridiculous.. no young riders will ever get into new Campag gourpsets crazy.. I’ll never buy one.. I’ll stick with mechanical 11 speed chorus on a couple of my others bikes.. and go shimano 12 speed di2 on anything else. Pete 👍🚴🏻
Looks terrible
More premium that the original WRL though.
Yes but that derailleur is just hideous, just like the SR wireless.
So ugly! Also why not call it Record! It almost seems like they are getting paid to destroy the brand.
I was thinking the Record name would make better sense too. Seem logical when looking at the company's historical product line.