TUBE AMP VS DIGITAL: 99% OF GUITARISTS WILL FAIL THIS CHALLENGE!
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2024
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Ca you hear the difference between a tube amp, an amp sim, and plugin?
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I don’t give a fuck how a tone is created, as long as it sounds great! For this style of music I did like no. 1 the best, followed by no. 6. I would guess no. 3 is the tube amp. Great idea for a vid. Love the channel! Cheers
Ur right!!! Doesn’t fukn matter
Some people will complain that using distortion makes this blindtest pointless
"you gotta play clean"
Thats just a way to avoid being wrong.
Since I couldn't give a rat's ass about clean tones, such arguments are not relevant to my interests. The cleanest cleans are always going to be solid state, so what those people are looking for is distorted...not clean...cleans. Which makes their argument about moving the goal posts.
That’s just a testament to how much it really doesn’t matter anymore. Like at all
Here's the problem with that is people come here for the heaviest of heavy tones, not to sound like bb king... therefore why would he test cleans?
Gojira "Unicorn"? "Harvester of Sorrow" or "Enter Sandman"? I mean, sometimes clean is useful.
I personally have a Randall RG100es, A 5150 iii 6L6, and the Mesa Mark 2c+ plugin from NeuralDSP. They ALL sound absolutely amazing despite being a solid state, tube, and plugin. Whatever you plug into, if it inspires you to play and to create music that you enjoy, it's the right choice.
Tone 1 - tube amp plugin? This is my favorite of the tones whatever it is!
Tone 2 - quad cortex Neural DSP?
Tone 3 - Cheap modeler or pedal, solid-state. It sounds a lot like the original pod/pod pro. My least favorite of the tones. Zero dimension, sounded thin.
Tone 4 - REAL TUBE AMP.
Tone 5 - my 2nd favorite tone. Tube amp plugin … mixwave?
Tone 6 - plugin of some kind. I didn’t care too much for this one, there was no color or dimension
This was fun! Now I will wait to see how wrong I am!
Such a beautiful riff! never gets old. 🔥👌
reminds me of a better version of everlong
I've been failing at playing this riff for weeks lol. It's constantly in my head.
Loved the video!!! Really difficult to say, couldn’t tell too much of a difference. My vote is tone 4 was the tube amp. Just a gut feeling.
I really love that first riff you play
First time commenting. Really enjoy your channel and authenticity. I actually wrote down my list and look forward to the video explaining the tones. Wish your stuff was on Apple Music. Oh, and GO BIRDS!
They all sounded mint! Not a single unusable tone right there.
Nice riff sir :)
1 tube amp and cab
2 quad cortex and cab
3 plug-in and sim
4 tube amp and cab sim
5 qc and sim
6 plug-in and cab
I guessed the same for 1 & 2, but I have no idea when it comes to the others.
@xanderraymondcharles Hey man, excellent test, these are my conclusions:
#2 is the amp with real miced cab, the remaining 5 are different Amp sim with the same IR.
- From worst to best seeing it from a mix context:
#6 The most boomy, very Scooped with too much low end oomph.
#5 Thin Unbosted loose tone, Dry without tight low end.
#4 Honky mids, Boxy tone, the most nasal of all.
#3 Somewhat nasal but still good tone.
#1 One of my favorites, with just the right frequency placement without accentuating any too much.
#2 Definitely my favorite on the list, mids at the exact point to easily use that in a mix, aggression, clarity with definition in notes and palm mute, saturation and compression very pleasant to the ear.
* At the end of the day with all the tools we have at our disposal today, we can achieve professional tones, even with free plugins, if we know what we are doing obviously. cheers 🤟💥
My guesses are as follows:
Tone 1: not tube amp (sounds great )
Tone 2: not tube amp (sounds good, aggressive mids)
Tone 3: Not Tube Amp (sounds good)
Tone 4: not Tube Amp (didn’t like)
Tone 5: I think this one is the Tube Amp! (sounds good) didn’t hear as much artifacts in top end of signal. If this ends up being a modeler I’ll be very impressed.
Tone 6: not Tube Amp? Or tube amp again? (Sounds like a tube amp, but because I think 5 sounds like more of one I’m not sure if you’d do it twice. If this is a plugin/modeler this sounds fantastic).
Overall I think 5 and 6 were my favorite! :)
Number 2 sounded the most like a tube amplifier to me. Who knows though, it's over my laptop speakers.
That sounded like the worst one to me. 🤣
quick question about mixing... in your song Subtle Comeback, you use double drop C#, do you also pitch shift the bass down an octave? or does the bass stay the same while the guitar goes from drop C# to double drop C#? Love the channel brother!
The first is definitely a tube. The bloomy low end and uncompressed harmonic range give it away. It seems to sound more dynamic
It feels more dynamic lMFAO it’s a you tube video,that’s hilarious
Turned out to be STL Andy James plugin
it’s a trick question. all of them are plug-ins
Was 100% going to say that, but #2 and maybe #5 ...?
GOT ME THERE 😂
That is what I’m thinking too…
My real amps never need software support and never crash my DAW.
bro if your plugins are crashing your daw you must have like 4 gb of ram and need to upgrade it. real amps are more volatile than computers. ill never sell my evh 100 watt. but im not carrying it to every gig.
I dont think its a RAM issue. Have a bunch of the ML Sound Lab plugins and two quit working a while back if a Logic project was loaded on a Mac running a M1. Ive had issues with Nueral DSP plugins too. I like plugins but they are just software they dont last forever unless the company continues to update the code. Because computer OS and hardware will continue to change. @@garrettharsh4880
I can’t tell which is which, but #5 sounded the best to me. Did you record on a looper and play it back through the different amps/sims?
Tone 5 sounded brighter and a little more full to me. The low end specifically sounded very clear and pronounced.
I like 1, 2 and 5. I'll be interested to see which is which, but I'll bet those are QC or sims. I think I like my high mids crispy, however they're being made.
Not sure which amp is which but that's a really cool take on 'My Hero' by the Foo Fighters!
I think it’s a trick question… all 5 attempts were only using a Roland JC-120. Massive range on the distortion channel there.
This is the only correct answer
Excellent, it's really difficult and i think at the end it doesn't matter if it's tube or digital. It's just a question of taste 😉
I play only on Axe Fx and it sounds great !
For me personnaly the best are 1 and 3 and if it's not tube that's ok. 4 and 5 sound really thick and fuzzy (pedal ? Digital ?). Anyway thank you for this video
There will always be people who don’t like change, people who think that modelers and plugins don’t sound as good as tube amps are the same people who only like think that strats and les Paul’s are the pinnacle of guitars
What change? There is no change just more options. It's not like it's one or the other, both modellers and tube amps can exist simultaneously. I like modellers for recording and tube amps for playing live. That's not going to change.
@@craigharrison5406 I find the change to be in the amount of players using digital amps increasing, and players using tube amps decreasing, and tube amps always will exist, but I imagine at some point there will be more players using digital amps than tube amps
2 and 4 for me.
Not a tube snob either, love my boss katana
Keen to hear the results!
I'm also buying the Evil Twin same as yours today, the day has come.
Keep up the great work!
Nice! I have the c-7 evil twin and the peavey vypyr x2. I just put a greenback in the amp today. It seems a lot better than whatever the stock speaker is.
Youll love your evil twin!
agreed, these sound the best (2 then 4) - on the subject of the katana, I tried it out but couldn't get into it. The tone studio is just too much; I don't need a 2nd job trying to flip and fiddle with switches and dials. Should I give the katana another try? Thx
@grod4844 yes, then you use the phone app to create different storable signal chains.
my input is based on mostly if i could hear the specific hiss and near underlying fuzzy tone of most plugins and amp sims. my guesses are absolutely probably 100% all wrong but i did my best to try and hear the differences, but there really just isnt any difference to the ear, especially once you get the tone in the setting of an entire mix or live setting. being stuck in the past of analog is king is just outdated and theres no need to stick to it if digital is actually on par for every setting and need now.
1. amp sim
2. tube amp
3. amp sim
4. plugin
5. tube amo
6. plugin
No idea 😂😂😂 the riff is so good 👍👍
I misunderstood initially so thought some where and some weren't, I was gonna say 1 and 2 and 6 were not and 3 4 and 5 were but when you said only one was tube at the end i was like I gotta run it back. I still think the tube is 3 4 or 5 but will come back and let you know the final choice haha
Tone #2 - full size pots
1 dijital and IR
2 dijital and cab
3 tube and IR
4 tube and IR (sm57?)
5 tube ans cab
6 dijital and IR
Tried to analize low end, sizzle and saturation after the cab like mic or IR. Sounds all good.
I think #3 had the most “air” on my speakers, so I vote for it as the tube amp sample. Other ones, the listener’s speakers are really limiting, so I am guessing nobody gets any right. Cheers from Houston!
I like of having an amp in front of me while playing. I know that digital tech is getting extremely close. Perhaps with a big powered cabinet I wouldn't notice a difference. Obviously recording and production adds a whole different dynamic which just makes it even more difficult to tell.
That being said i felt like TONE 2 was the tube amp, though i am probably wrong. It did sound best to me regardless.
A cool home rig would be to use plugins majority of the time with headphones/monitors, then when you get the chance to crank it you could use a line out to a poweramp and real cab. Obviously would need tweeking for love use, but a killer bedroom/office rig
@jamesmolloy5350 I did use all sorts of plugins, amp sims, audio interfaces, headphones, monitors... and i really didn't enjoy it. So much in fact that i ended up basically giving up playing for a few years. Then i got a 4 x 12 cab and a peavey 6505 and i absolutely love it. For me i just cant beat having a real amp in front of myself. A big cab and tubes. Perhaps a decent modelling system/pedal into a powered cab may do it to. The plugins and audio interfaces weren't nearly as nice as a real tube amp for me. Recorded/produced maybe a different story. Jamming live it just didn't do it for me.
Liked openess and grit of 1,2 best. First is amp? The second one is also very, very good
There are some obvious differences, but heck if I know which is which. If I had to guess, the ones with less broad tone (less pronounced highs/lows) is a pedal? Either way, I know I've jammed with similar tones in my life and they were fun to use!
I’m guessing two? Kind of a shot in the dark but whatever that really was I liked the tone.
Sound is one thing feel is another. What do you think about the feel of digital vs Tube Amp or Solid State Amp?
Tone #1 good saturation and a little sizzle on the high end but not unpleasant. My fsvorite overall
Tone #2 seems a little thin missing saturation also slightly harsh high end
Tone #3 muffled sounding but no harsh high end... Dont like the mic position on this take.
Tone #4 same ss 3' sounds muffled not sure but i dont like the mic placement or csb sim either.
Tone #5 not sure about this one, sounds less clear almost like to much gain was used.
Tone #6 same as 5' sounds muffled with to much gain and not enough clarity.
I have no ides what was what BUT #1 was the only one i really enjoyed so what ever you used for that.... Use it more? Cheers 🥂
My guess is that 1, 3, 6 are modulars, and 2, 4, 5 are the tube amps. I'm not saying either is better but I can hear a distinct note coloration, if I can put it that way. Idk, I'm sure I'm wrong haha I love watching ya man 🤘🏻
I honestly cant tell for sure Im going by instinct and say 4 is a real amp, but i liked 1 the most. 4 has some weird room sound going on which I assume would come from positioning two mics a slight bit out of phase usually. But I know nothing for sure...
So #2 is my favorite, it also sounds direct, My problem is “hey guess what is tube amp” but a tube amp is only as good on a track as the mic on the cab, Unless you went loop into direct, I don’t care how you get it as long as it’s great
It all sounds good
1. Is the amp modeling
2. Is the tube amp
3. Is the tube amp
4. Is a modeler
5 is a modeler
6. Is a modeler
The eq curve sounds identical, it's the way it distorts. I absolutely could be wrong tho, they sounded very similar
Number 5 is the real amp , it has the low end thump, it sticks out from the others and the little scrape noises at the end sound the most natural.
TONE 1 2:25
TONE 2 3:04
TONE 3 3:44
TONE 4 4:23
TONE 5 5:03
TONE 6 5:44
Damn thank you!
Idk does it really matter just keep playing and having fun brother
1. Tube amp
2. Modeler favorite tone
3. Plug in
4. Tube amp
5. Pedal
6. Solid state amp
Honestly 100 percent shot in the dark guess. No clue with any certainty what anything actually was.
3 was the tube. Free flowing and articulate.
no clue about what was what, but tone 1 and 2 sounded the most full. Loved tone 2 the most. I'm in the same boat where i dont care if its a real amp and cab, quad cortex, or a sim. If it sounds good, it's good to me 👍🏼
I can’t tell what’s a tube amp or not but tone 6,2, and 5 were my favorites
Tone 3
I genuinely have no idea though, 100% guess lol. 1st 2 I think are via PC due to the clarity with no mic to capture. Who knows though.
Don't know which is digital or analog, but I say 2 & 4 are one and 1 & 3 are the other. 5 sounds bad to me, compared to the rest. I'm interested to know what that one is.
3 is the amp is my guess. Sounded the cleanest and tightest. It was a toss up with #3 and #5 to me. #5 sounded like that tube amp that you just really wanted to get there but couldn't. Like a B52 or something.
Id guess #1 and #2 are preamp pedals and #4 is Amp sim.
Tbh i got lost after #4 but from my experience with preamp pedals they're pretty scratchy sounding. If #1 is an amptweaker I'll start playing guitar again.
Probably wrong but curious to know which one's the amp. Either way I liked #3 best.
I say 2 or 3 is tube ..but the real difference is tube amps feel alive where as solid state and plugins feel robotic when playing
6 sounds like the tube amp to me, has this certain warmness to it and has that mic'd sound to the eq.
I'm not an audiophile and I can't tell the difference between a tube amp and a high quality amp sim. Therefore, I am guessing for fun:
Tone 1: Sim
Tone 2: Sim
Tone 3: Sim
Tone 4: Amp
Tone 5: Sim
Tone 6: Amp
Subjectively, I preferred tones 1 & 2.
Can't tell which is a tube amp but I liked the way 2 sounded
The first one I thought was a tube and then after that I started thinking about it and my own experience and whichever one doesn't sound not good that's probably the Tube although I've noticed that in person it's a lot easier to tell
I can’t tell but however Tone 2 is by far the best sounding. My guess for that one is it’s a quad or a plug-in mostly because it’s really clean not much mud. Could be wrong though
Given that the gear could be anything the only thing that could come to my mind is that mmmaaaaybe number 4 is moving some real air and not just an IR? Like, i Hear some frecuencies that would usually be cut out on an IR and I really like that sound in a mix, so if It turns out to be an IR please, tell me where to get It hahaha
1 - plugin
2 - quad cortex
3 - cab sim from smth
4 - Tube amp
5 - plugin
6 - Tube amp in other spot
Holy shit. Are all these the same amp? Different cabs or settings maybe?
They all seem to have the exact same gain structure. They all seem to react the same to your strumming. The only thing that sounds different is the cab selection or eqing.
All sounds pretty much the same to me, couldn’t tell the tube amp.
Can’t beat feeling like a rock star playing thru my JVM with a big 4x12 tho. I think thats why tube amps are cool and have a future!
they all sound different but honestly couldn't tell which is the tube. too many variables. but i liked tone 2 the best.
1. JVM
2. QC
3. Uhhh not sure
4. Metal zone?
5. Plug in
6. Plug in as well
#4 lmao
Not sure about tone #1 but I definitely hear that rosewood fretboard.
hear the rosewood fretboard, hilarious
I like no.2 and no.5 best couldn’t tell what was digital or not
1 & 6 sounded like tube amps to me. Going by the transients and sag.
to my opinion... all sounded good.... and from the setup as I heard it through... it came to me as sound 1 and 6 were quite simular.... as sound 1 and 2 wereto me exact the same tone, only sound 2 came to me a bit louder. And as I used to be stuck with real amps too.... though 2 off my friends heavy surprised me, one was using a fractal FM9 turbo.... did not feel any difference as with a real amp.... nope absolutely no latency at all... as the same surprise I had with the other, he had a Plini plugin.... that felt to me also as a real amp... that really surprised me how both sounded absolutely great, with both not even the slightest bit of latency, completely not all..... and THAT was alays my fear in playing digital, the latency. And as for this video?? I could not tell which is which
The "tube amplifiers are superior" argument comes from a time when solid state amplifiers had a more grating clip on the distortion and tube amps had a smoother clip. Modelers simulate the tube style distortion quite effectively in current times.
I love the №1. I would be a bit upset if it's a tube because I'm all digital :)
1, 4, 5 Tube amp. Sounded like it had that natural grit/fizz. 2, 3, 6 IR. Sounded crisp. Watch me get egg on my face 😅
My guesses are (really no idea lol)
1.quad Cortex
2.plug in
3.solid state amp
4. Tube amp
5. Plug in
6. Modeler of some kind?
No idea, but I can tell you what I liked and didn't like. The first 3 examples are much nicer to me than the last 3. I think maybe 1 or 3 is my favourite, and 4 or 6 is my least favourite. The speaker or microphone choices on 4 and 6 just weren't doing it for me. 5 has a thing going on where the tone is full, but the transients are super soft, so it's probably like a Mesa Boogie or something. Not much to say about 2, it just has more presence than 1 and 3, I guess.
As proven in the past, I doubt anyone is gonna get this right. Keep coping, tube-heads. 😅
I don't know whether you give answers in this video, and I don't necessarily think that tube amps sound better (just sold mine and switched to a modeler for convenience) but Tone 1 is the only one that sounded like a tube amp to me. I guess we'll see!
Gonna say tines 1-2 and 6 are modelers or plug ins. 3-5 real amps. They seemed go have a little more squishy ness like a real amp ans more low end. Most plug ins and modelers seem to have a more sculpted tone to them based on what ive heard in videos. But this is a huge shot in the dark for me
I’ll be honest how simple it is, Does it sound good, yes, then I don’t give a damn how you got it, I love tube, I love solid state, I love tone and I don’t care where or what it comes from
Number 1 for sure.
i think 4 was tube, liked 1 best, chasing tone is funny, tone...either sounds good or it doesnt
TBH I'd believe it if you told me all of them were the same amp (regardless of what it was), just with different cabinets. That's what it sounded like to me.
I’m not sure but number one was killer and think that was your quad cortex, 2 and 3 plugins, 4 your Marshall, 5 and 6 plugins or pedals. Then again I’m probably totally wrong, but I have to say number one was killer whatever that was. It sounded like an SLO 100. Killer!!
"Tone" is in the attitude and in the playing obviously ....!!!!!
I think #4 maybe #1
I think it was n5, I liked all the other tones more. 😊
2 and 5 would best sit in a mix .. Tube or not
Question;: was this recorded directly in through an audio interface or two notes captor? I'm curious to see if they sound as close with mic'd up speaker cabs as opposed to recorded directly in.. Tube amps were designed to be played through a speaker cab not through an audio interface.
Turns out the tube amplifier was the jud juds we made along the way...
100% i cant tell which one... i guess Tone 3
I honestly have no idea 😅
I don’t know which one is the tube amp (and i don’t care), but my top 3 tones are:
1. Tone 1
2. Tone 5
3. Tone 2
They would sound best if you layered them all together
So…..which is tube, which is modeler? 🤔
#2 might be a tube amp otherwise #4 was tube. Or both?
I don't think any were superior though.
Over the web probably impossible. In the room would be a completely different thing.
without watching this at all. the 5% who pass is all luck. especially in video format. we are at the stage where plug ins and modelers are so good that if you can "hear" the difference, its cope
most definitely agree. i do however think that there will be at least a select few actual audiophiles and people who are genuinely on the spectrum who can somehow actually hear the true differences, but even then its still going to be mostly luck.
@@infall_blackmetal agreed! It’s the .1% of the .1% that can. Lol. Those are insane people w ears lol
lmao i love it when people state shit as if they’re facts (you never hear “emulators” on records). like- so many bands record with plug ins, and meshuggah were putting freaking DRUM plug ins! woah!
Beats the bananas out of me 🤷🏽♀️
1 modeler, 2 plugin, 3 tube amp, 4 pedal, 5 cheap modeler, 6 plugin
Seems like an editing trick going on here? I always thought WTF does it matter what someone's using as long as it sounds good and the musician finds it inspiring.
i think it was 2 but what do i know
2. 3. &6. Real amps