it was a given seeing how we didn't get any of the skills that made bow really good on the demo set. + the switch skills and loadouts were not that great for the weapon either + mizu fight. lol... we knew they were hiding the true potential of the bow! after World I don't think bow will ever be bad tbh. the sliding mechanic and evade window given to it since makes it amazing and mobile. I think it would need to go back into the way it was in generationsX for people to really complaint about a nerf! funny watching you in something not feh related lol! keep those vids up.
@@Quiqueleal85 I thought it was actually pretty good in the demo, we knew stamina wouldn't be an issue with the full game because of skills and Dash Juice. I was mainly concerned about the loss of quick shot and coconuts, but in exchange we ended up getting even crazier tools so it didn't really matter that much 😅
@@henriquerodrigues7795 Well, that's still people people being stupid for basing what a weapon's performance might be like from a Demo that we KNOW for a FACT is missing tons of the tools that will be available in the full game. Anyone who made a call that early, on that information, was a moron to do so.
RE: @4:07. "It was mined but not used" is not "fucking stupid". Programmer here. Have you consider the possibility that it is a design change? If it is, changing the equation is smaller change, and thus less risk, than to remove the value from the table, which is probably no longer referenced to or used, aside for miners to find. I feel like calling people "fucking stupid" was uncalled for. Because they are "fucking stupid" ONLY if your assumption that "everything in the table must be used" is true. And I don't think you can prove that assumption.
also to add to this: bow has a LOT of space for build improvements over the course of the next few patches, cos they essentially are working with 5 equipment slots instead of 6 due to the sole source of mighty bow being a single-skill piece of equipment. the moment it's a deco, a decently efficient armor piece, or available on charms, bow is getting a pretty big build efficiency boost
@@osunightfall Context clues, yes, but over-arching comments like that are exceptions. The point was that, while understandable in context to mean the MH team, Capcom is not MH.
I actually had no idea the rapid cancelling existed. Definitely not intended, I think itll be patched out really soon too. Thanks for actually caring about your weapon of choice
So should this game just become every other action RPG with MH paint on it? The soul of this relies game on tough fights with monsters, a bunch of overpowered weapons would destroy that. There's only so much they can do to ramp up the monsters as well. Plus, how do you even bring up all the weapons to that level? Just damage number increases? Add new moves? Take away existing flaws that each weapon possesses? Just make all the weapons exactly the same? Any ideas? Or do you just have the vague idea that all nerfing is bad because you've been on to many forums? Nerfing and buffing are tools, nothing more and nothing less. You can't buff everything else every time a mistake is made. Nerfing is more than reasonable in this case. It's sad to see how the new arrivals to the MH community effectively just want an easy mode to the game.
I guess this is probably an unpopular opinion but I don't understand why you'd want nerfs in a game that isn't competitive. Most players aren't speedrunners. Incorrect damage modifiers and stuff like that should be fixed, for sure. If only because those should be correct and consistent. That animation cancel is a cool tech though. It's fun to use and it's not exactly easy to keep your aim where it needs to be while utilizing it. Certainly not for the average player. Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't see the need to remove something that is fun to learn and get good at in a game that is single player/cooperative.
High rank speedrun with bow takes about 1-2mins, that's ridiculously fast, consider we are not even in the endgame with the best skills. Bow main people will run out of fun.
Is this bug still a thing? If so then I actually hope it doesn't get fixed without adjusting raw MVs first. As it sits, elemental bow only has about a 5% damage advantage over raw builds which is negligible considering raw gets more flexibility and being able to slot in qol skills like evade extender 2 instead of elemental attack. If this were fixed without adjusting MVs raw would just end up being superior in all instances. Bow is my favorite weapon, and unfortunately it IS overtuned, but I do like that raw and element are both viable. I'm hoping that in sunbreak they make some adjustments bc it just feels bad using other weapons right now bc bow is just TOO good.
@@Hedonkeviik it feels great and plays great but is underwhelming in damage. Plus normal pretty much can’t do anything better than long. With every weapon having good defensive options the boost and tuning of the shell types would help gl be more in line with the others
The Elemental 'bug' could be intentional as a lazy way of balancing it while they were scrambling to get the game out in the financial quarter. But the animation canceling was clearly not intentional.
This. Also bugs me how easily he calls people "fucking stupid", purely based on his assumption, when in fact he could be the one not understanding something here. Ironic.
@@theatog My guess for the animation canceling is that they tried to make the window to cancel to the Power Shot easier / longer, but went a little too far and the Rapid Shot comes out. Again, a lot of the minor mistakes like this feel like it was just rushing to get the game out. For a rushed game, it's pretty damn impressive. I just wish they had had more time.
Except that he explains the all the other data mined motion values were correct and only bow is off. And 20-30% is not a minor difference in a weapon with high uptime. Do I think he was a bit aggressive sure but the message I think is correct. It’s still a PVE game so idc and can still weeb my way to victory and play my own way lmao but I can also understand the frustration of a meta weapon being looking like the best way to play.
@@BiGGs16 values was not wrong. The calculation ignored one of the multiplier; or in simpler terms, the value is not used. It's in the table but not applied.
I'm 230 hours into the game and like 70% of that I was maining bow, I'm new to MH and the only reason I decided to main this weapon is because bow is my favourite weapon in general. I had heard it was broken but I didn't know any details so this sums it up. I'm still going to keep using it though, alternating with the other weapons I'm learning to play
Thats what I'm saying 🤣 People whining about a good thing. If it was a pvp game then I'd understand because it would affect people... bunch of snowflake players 🤣
@@alexbaron8199 nahh, its exactly because its a non pvp game, when things are OP, it makes other options feel less valuable, at that point its just bad game design.
@@Tommyvang187 nah, because its a non pvp game its not broken based off of the value you PERSONALLY think that the bow has vs other weapons. You can literally compare every weapon and the play style is different for each one to the point where you can make your own judgement on what play style you like most. Also the difficulty of mastering the Bow vs any of the other weapons is waaaay above them in difficulty. Im not talking from experience of JUST monster hunter rise so i know what im talking about. This argument comes up so often its cheasy. You kids need to understand that a game where its not pvp oriented doesnt need to be balanced like it is one. Not everything in life can be balanced.
I love how honest you are because I am the same, I hate using broken weapons and I hope they fix this since I am Bow Main but even saying that I have not the skill level to abuse it like you showed most of the time, so I can play with it free of guilty lol. There are some things that should be fixed and I am glad people is actively showing this info so we can get good patches and a fresh game instead a stuck/bugged version until the expansion
I get what you two mean by not using the bow, but if Capcom removes the cancel animation it is going to suck hard. I know it might not be an intended feature of the weapon, but it makes it much more satisfying to play. You just can feel the speed and agility of this combat style.
i always find it funny that people even care about something being OP when monster hunter isn't really competitive at all if anything being op just saves you time grinding nothing else
It's not about being competitive or not, it's about being balanced between the different weapon types that none of them are that much better than others.
@@jet-blackjo2455 my point is balance doesn't matter when the game isn't competitve having an edge over someone else doesn't matter when the multiplayer part of the game is both optional and not competitive. I don't think anyone is going to notice or even care if you have someone in your group doing 5-10% more damage.
I main bow in every mh. It feels crazy overpowered in rise at the moment but I'm just enjoying it after recently playing underwater bow in mh3u. Pairing that slide with lvl3 evade extender has been great fun.
@@itsjustsilver8172 I mean you aren’t wrong, but personally I don’t like having one weapon be objectively better in every way than all the other weapons, it makes the game a lot less interesting imo.
why do hard core players of a game try to ruin it for everyone. every time people like me get a advantage someone like you just have to complain. and capcom seems to listen every time.
I come to game's like this because they are difficult and don't just hand things to me. I need to work for it and that is a large aspect of the game. If you want an easier game that just makes you OP and hands you shit go play Skyrim or some shit. No easy modes should exist in MH. Why do casual gamers of a game try to ruin it for everyone? Every time people like me get a game series they like the casuals have to complain and game companies seem to cave to their whining every time.
@@paulvogel6401 but like...you're the one whining here. Base monster hunter games are always easy. Pre-iceborne world was not difficult in the slightest. Once you get over one monster hunter learning curve, they're all pretty easy. If you don't like that about monster hunter then I suggest you find a different series to play. We've been playing the game for quite some time and we don't bat an eye.
@@jojojokokomo I wasn't initially talking to you. But I've been playing MH since the beginning, so I know what they're like. A good chunk of the game revolves around difficulty, though I will admit you are right in that the last two entries have been incredibly easy even through most of G-Rank for MHW. Even MHGU was easy in comparison thanks to all the OP styles. I certainly don't want the game to get any fucking easier though. Don't know how that came off as a whine, I was poking fun with the last sentence. It's essentially a rephrased copy of his comment.
He's not ruining anything for you; he's pointing out things that are probably bugs that need to be fixed so that more players understand why Capcom needs to change it.
after patch 2.0 what happened? it's still there. Don't listen to this guy and play bow if you want to. This bug he mentioned even ain't broken compared to how other weapons have hysterical i-frames. His made up explanation don't even make sense when you consider what other weapons can do.
So while I don’t think it’s generally fixed after the update, I think they may have... cut bows damage a bit. After the update I haven’t seen a single shot(non aerial aim/dragonoiercer) break 50. The most I’ve seen is 38 on regular and power shots. Is anyone else getting this or is this just me being bad at aiming or something.
Yo Phem, would you ever consider doing an overview of the metagame throughout the series? Even if it's only focused on gunning that'd be an interesting watch.
You don't have to not use Bow just because the core meta sets are broken in damage, it's still a fun weapon to play. If it's your preference and you don't want to feel like you are cheating do something off-meta with it and have fun.
@@KiwiOnTheTube Ye he got like wex 2 con 2 with a bunch of slots. It’s pretty ironic when someone who’s playing with that kind of charm is trying to communicate how op the weapon is. I still agree with everything said in the video though
I think the problem for him is the bugged on arrow elem calculation. Since it's like 20% increase in elem dmg so it should feel like you always using exploitation especially for someone who concern about using glitches or exploits. Same as me which always avoid exploiting(or even META) on any Solo/MP games.
Elemental damage, sure. But I'm not so sure about the cancelling - The character loads the bow (pulls the bowstring back) in the charge step animation already, so releasing the arrow is all that's left of the animation after it, and it's really fast. You can even buffer it way before the slide ends. The animation for the power shot (pressing A) plays completely, so that seems fine. The only thing you're cancelling is the "wind down" animation of the shot after the dash, which is common for any weapon doing any combo (the combo here being shot -> powershot). Been testing this myself, and it becomes more obvious when using something like evade extender. Anyways, just my 2 cents.
@@gh3superflame584 like you said thats after every move. the bow slide cancel is literally during the move which basically doubles the amount of arrows you shoot per frame. if it were true for every weapon its like hitting twice with a greatsword by spamming x during an overheadslash animation
@@joshuaanesdyquiangco3577 I'd say a better analogy would be straight up drawing to a strong charged slash with GS while magically getting the dmg from the first charged slash. But yeah, the animation cancelling isn't just cancelling the endlag, it's just straight up cancelling the whole animation frame 1 while still getting the projectiles out.
capcom doesn't like cancel aninations?? street fighter became what it is today cause of them lol. but I get what you say. but is it really that of an issue to prioritize when the BG is making hunts - than 3 mins??
I was thinking the same thing when he said Capcom doesn't like cancel animations. Street Fighter and DMC franchise wouldn't even exist if that's the case
If bow is broken then what are the duel blades? I hit a average of 50+ damage of 13 to 20 in no more then 2 sec. now figure that out. I don’t think the bow is broken. Oh and my highest hits are 120
So might be dumb but just to be clear the info you have on how mechanics are supposed to work and function are from datamines? Because I literally can't find legitimate info anywhere Is it just not available?
The datamines he was talking about was from the demo, so it might not be a bug since the full game tweaked a lot of values. The cancelling though most likely is
If they dont fix the Helm splitter hitbox or all the broken things in bowgun i would not expect them to "fix" bow, all weapons should be treated the same
What would be your reaction if they never "fixed" it after all patches, would you actually accept that this is what they intended with the weapon or would you still think it was unintended, cause lets face it, these are the same guys that gave LS a counter that has massive i-frames, deals damage AND raises a spirit bar level if it hits, without any cost other than "know the timing" aka, play the weapon well and the same team that still treats Gunlance like garbage, balancing is NOT capcom's strong point.
These are not "bugs," just changes. Also, Power Shot always animation cancel, whether you're dashing or not. What you have to keep in mind is that the game was not designed with you sweaty gamers who have spent a bagilllion hours on the series. For people like that, the bow is very "meta" cuz it's a ranged weapon that allows you to have extremely high uptime, dodging everything while still aiming for weak points. For the average player though, the bow has some very significant downsides. I love how the "meta" only takes into account 10% of the playerbase. This is most likely cuz only 10% care enough about a "meta" to be talking about it.
If they 'fix' the rapid/power animation cancel, then i want either quick shot or a mighty bow deco dont know about this one chief. i do agree about the numbers needing to be what they say it is, if the arrows are ignoring values, thats a bug.
Can someone kindly explain how the slide abuse works? I can’t seem to pull it off... I’m trying slide > zr > a (as fast as I can). And can’t seem to get it done right
Well, I suppose it's tradition at this point that some crazy animation cancel bug exists in a MH game. Also fulfilling tradition of a ranged weapon being stupid unreasonably overpowered.
I hate finding out about this stuff cuz it makes my sense of accomplishment/improvement feel unnearned y'know? 😔 But it's also important to know about so
Goddamn, let weapons be as they are, not everyone will play any weapon just because its doing good damage! You can cheese anything with a half-decent build in the game. This is likely going to trash the bow down to shit if they decide to nerf. This is why we can’t have nice things smfh 🙄😑 you can also make animation cancel with other weapons as well, btw.
No animation cancels are as ridiculous as this one though, you gotta admit. Besides, world bow didnt have this and it was also one of, if not the best weapon in the game.
I mean its Japanese them, yeah the long sword and the bow was going to be the go to weapons. I am not mad at it tho, I like a lot of the weapons and seeing how they work better for each monster.
bow ain't gonna change that much even if the so called "bug" is removed. To do it properly you need to buffer the attack as you slide and time the power shot very precisly. Doing this on a moving target with just a controller is very hard. Its better to aim properly rather than try to cancel animation just to save 0.5 seconds.
It will matter for speedrunerrs who exploit the ai, know what the monster will do where it will be, and restart missions over and over for best times. The on paper efficient things is what they can use that we don't in normal play with randos. But yes your are right for most people and scenarios and normal play it probably will not matter because it will be difficult especially online with randoms moving the monster around, except for when it gets to pc where aiming is way easier it will probably see alot of use. Also .5 of a second is theoretically half the time it should take, leading to double the shots, for a way shorter on paper half time hunt.
the damage is insane but , based on my experience and my experience only , i found it quite hard to play , you have to play very close to monsters et you are very squishy
If you use a pierce bow you can actually play far away from the monster, there's actually also a skill called ballistics which makes you able to stand farther away from a monster too, even works with close range coatings. Works with any bow, but paired with a pierce one you can stand super far away.
Its funny how I didn't knew any of this stuff but I felt like the bow was kinda op. Like I was dealing waaay more damage with it than other weapons but didn't really feel like it was because I was really good with it but instead bc it was just kinda OP. Turns out I was right... I suck but the weapon is broken lol
See I dont min/max or anything. So I honestly don't do the whole meta chasing part but even I noticed the rapid power cancel thing. But honestly I don't think it is so broken you should stay away from it. Just don't lean on that aspect so when it's removed you aren't effect too much.
I'll never understand why people cry for nerfs in this game. Oh no! We killed the monster too fast! Get a grip and play solo if you want to take half an hour per run
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I love how we all thought Bow was nerfed from MHW, then after about a week of Rise we realized its actually better haha
It was mostly due to the demo, we had no access to the full arsenal and the set we could use was really bad
it was a given seeing how we didn't get any of the skills that made bow really good on the demo set. + the switch skills and loadouts were not that great for the weapon either + mizu fight. lol... we knew they were hiding the true potential of the bow! after World I don't think bow will ever be bad tbh. the sliding mechanic and evade window given to it since makes it amazing and mobile. I think it would need to go back into the way it was in generationsX for people to really complaint about a nerf!
funny watching you in something not feh related lol! keep those vids up.
@@Quiqueleal85 I thought it was actually pretty good in the demo, we knew stamina wouldn't be an issue with the full game because of skills and Dash Juice. I was mainly concerned about the loss of quick shot and coconuts, but in exchange we ended up getting even crazier tools so it didn't really matter that much 😅
@@henriquerodrigues7795 Well, that's still people people being stupid for basing what a weapon's performance might be like from a Demo that we KNOW for a FACT is missing tons of the tools that will be available in the full game. Anyone who made a call that early, on that information, was a moron to do so.
Similar to insect Glaive, we didn’t even have diving Wyvern or any of the switch skills that were just better.
RE: @4:07. "It was mined but not used" is not "fucking stupid".
Programmer here. Have you consider the possibility that it is a design change? If it is, changing the equation is smaller change, and thus less risk, than to remove the value from the table, which is probably no longer referenced to or used, aside for miners to find.
I feel like calling people "fucking stupid" was uncalled for. Because they are "fucking stupid" ONLY if your assumption that "everything in the table must be used" is true. And I don't think you can prove that assumption.
Next patch: all weapons removed, only LS remains
I do like the LS to, the Lovely Switchaxe is the only weapon that everyone should play at least once
Ahh yes the tripping team
Reject variety return to Samurai
I feel sad for other Melee Weapons like my favourite, Lance. 😢
@@JayCalis Both lance and GL keep getting cucked game after game FeelsBadMan no fun allowed
also to add to this: bow has a LOT of space for build improvements over the course of the next few patches, cos they essentially are working with 5 equipment slots instead of 6 due to the sole source of mighty bow being a single-skill piece of equipment.
the moment it's a deco, a decently efficient armor piece, or available on charms, bow is getting a pretty big build efficiency boost
I'm just learning bow again because Bow Charge is so easy to get in Rise.
PRONTERA SOOOOOOONGG!!! OMG You just brought me back sooooooooo far back in time I almost cried!!
I liked the video, I'm going to try bow now! xD
for real, that came out of nowhere
"Capcom doesn't like animation cancelling."
*Looks at SFV and DMC*
I have a question?
Right?? Lol!
Exactly my thought. And you know it he said.
with capcom he probably means the MH dev team
The comment is clearly in the context of Monster Hunter, not the company as a whole. Context clues ftw.
@@osunightfall Context clues, yes, but over-arching comments like that are exceptions.
The point was that, while understandable in context to mean the MH team, Capcom is not MH.
I experienced the cancel animation unintentionally and thought huh did I just fire 2 shot there, and this confirmed it
Yo shout out for using Prontera theme ✌️👍 great video
The RO music gave me such a flash back i missed the whole video.
Part me is like "Hmm time to use bow!"
Same
Good video! Loving the Ragnarok Online music!
Prontera Theme
That RO music is taking me back.
Same here bro.
RO, always have a special place in my heart.
Very nice video, the Pronterra music is the icing on the cake
I actually had no idea the rapid cancelling existed. Definitely not intended, I think itll be patched out really soon too. Thanks for actually caring about your weapon of choice
Wrong. Animation canceling is just a thing. lemme tell you why. dodging. Dodging/sidestepping is allowed whenever. It is indeed intended.
Imagine if this is what Capcom actually intend for bow... 🤣
The RO music in the back made me watch this whole vid
Glad I wasn't the only one to notice
Its not a bug, its a feature.
They’re not even fixing it. So hopefully it’s a feature.
I believe all weapons should be all equally powerful from one another, nerfing weapons solves nothing.
now ask this, do you wanna rework on 12 other weapons to keep them in line or do you wanna just solve the few outliners? you see the problem now?
i dont think bug fixes are nerfs.
So should this game just become every other action RPG with MH paint on it? The soul of this relies game on tough fights with monsters, a bunch of overpowered weapons would destroy that. There's only so much they can do to ramp up the monsters as well.
Plus, how do you even bring up all the weapons to that level? Just damage number increases? Add new moves? Take away existing flaws that each weapon possesses? Just make all the weapons exactly the same? Any ideas? Or do you just have the vague idea that all nerfing is bad because you've been on to many forums?
Nerfing and buffing are tools, nothing more and nothing less. You can't buff everything else every time a mistake is made. Nerfing is more than reasonable in this case. It's sad to see how the new arrivals to the MH community effectively just want an easy mode to the game.
I guess this is probably an unpopular opinion but I don't understand why you'd want nerfs in a game that isn't competitive. Most players aren't speedrunners. Incorrect damage modifiers and stuff like that should be fixed, for sure. If only because those should be correct and consistent. That animation cancel is a cool tech though. It's fun to use and it's not exactly easy to keep your aim where it needs to be while utilizing it. Certainly not for the average player. Maybe I'm alone in this but I don't see the need to remove something that is fun to learn and get good at in a game that is single player/cooperative.
High rank speedrun with bow takes about 1-2mins, that's ridiculously fast, consider we are not even in the endgame with the best skills. Bow main people will run out of fun.
Did they ever fix both of those bugs ? We about to get Sunbreak soon and I dont think I heard anything about fixes to bow in rise so far
I’m digging bow. They don’t have to change anything.
Honestly I keep rewinding your explanations because that Prontera theme playing background confuse me a lot! Good ol' days
That animation cancel is pretty silly. Word will spread it around eventually so yeah, there's no way they'll let it slip under the radar.
I didn’t even know there wasn’t an animation cancel. Then again I use the dodge bolt skill. 😆
@@Sunkhrist it's the same for dodgebolt though?
@@jadedeleon156 you can only cancel animation with sidestep
@@marcoleung311-v7j is it? Haven't tried might have to check, thanks!
Hasn't happened yet
Is this bug still a thing? If so then I actually hope it doesn't get fixed without adjusting raw MVs first. As it sits, elemental bow only has about a 5% damage advantage over raw builds which is negligible considering raw gets more flexibility and being able to slot in qol skills like evade extender 2 instead of elemental attack.
If this were fixed without adjusting MVs raw would just end up being superior in all instances. Bow is my favorite weapon, and unfortunately it IS overtuned, but I do like that raw and element are both viable. I'm hoping that in sunbreak they make some adjustments bc it just feels bad using other weapons right now bc bow is just TOO good.
I don’t care if the dash is safer or stronger, hitting a dodgebolt parry for a knockdown is a rush
But yeah I hope they fix it. And buff Gunlance 💪🏽
It’s more of a perfect dodge than a parry. But I agree.
@@Howl_3DN buff gunlance?!
@@Hedonkeviik it feels great and plays great but is underwhelming in damage. Plus normal pretty much can’t do anything better than long. With every weapon having good defensive options the boost and tuning of the shell types would help gl be more in line with the others
@@Hedonkeviik a wide 4 gunlance has to eat for bombardier and use groundsplitter to do the same damage as a wide 4 gunlance in world.
Im abusing bow so hard atm holy shit.
its not abuse your just playing the game
@@Fiveyin *you're
The Elemental 'bug' could be intentional as a lazy way of balancing it while they were scrambling to get the game out in the financial quarter. But the animation canceling was clearly not intentional.
This. Also bugs me how easily he calls people "fucking stupid", purely based on his assumption, when in fact he could be the one not understanding something here. Ironic.
@@theatog My guess for the animation canceling is that they tried to make the window to cancel to the Power Shot easier / longer, but went a little too far and the Rapid Shot comes out. Again, a lot of the minor mistakes like this feel like it was just rushing to get the game out. For a rushed game, it's pretty damn impressive. I just wish they had had more time.
Except that he explains the all the other data mined motion values were correct and only bow is off. And 20-30% is not a minor difference in a weapon with high uptime. Do I think he was a bit aggressive sure but the message I think is correct. It’s still a PVE game so idc and can still weeb my way to victory and play my own way lmao but I can also understand the frustration of a meta weapon being looking like the best way to play.
@@BiGGs16 values was not wrong. The calculation ignored one of the multiplier; or in simpler terms, the value is not used. It's in the table but not applied.
@@theatog but you keep ignoring that it IS used in every other instance. Every other weapon utilizes the entire table that was mined. Just stop
Ragnarok music for my ears, oh my.
Oh Ragnarok Online background music and a good guide? :D Nice! Subscribed.
I'm 230 hours into the game and like 70% of that I was maining bow, I'm new to MH and the only reason I decided to main this weapon is because bow is my favourite weapon in general. I had heard it was broken but I didn't know any details so this sums it up. I'm still going to keep using it though, alternating with the other weapons I'm learning to play
I'm sure you're not getting carried, if they change it you'll still be more than capable it will just mean longer hunt times
Had to comment because of the Ragnarok music. The music in that game is so nice
I love how all the comments are about Prontera. Took me on a trip also
Broken? Sounds like a perk to me
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Thats what I'm saying 🤣 People whining about a good thing. If it was a pvp game then I'd understand because it would affect people... bunch of snowflake players 🤣
@@alexbaron8199 nahh, its exactly because its a non pvp game, when things are OP, it makes other options feel less valuable, at that point its just bad game design.
@@Tommyvang187 it is arguably PVP if you are competing for best complete times against other players
@@Tommyvang187 nah, because its a non pvp game its not broken based off of the value you PERSONALLY think that the bow has vs other weapons. You can literally compare every weapon and the play style is different for each one to the point where you can make your own judgement on what play style you like most. Also the difficulty of mastering the Bow vs any of the other weapons is waaaay above them in difficulty. Im not talking from experience of JUST monster hunter rise so i know what im talking about. This argument comes up so often its cheasy. You kids need to understand that a game where its not pvp oriented doesnt need to be balanced like it is one. Not everything in life can be balanced.
I love how honest you are because I am the same, I hate using broken weapons and I hope they fix this since I am Bow Main but even saying that I have not the skill level to abuse it like you showed most of the time, so I can play with it free of guilty lol. There are some things that should be fixed and I am glad people is actively showing this info so we can get good patches and a fresh game instead a stuck/bugged version until the expansion
I get what you two mean by not using the bow, but if Capcom removes the cancel animation it is going to suck hard. I know it might not be an intended feature of the weapon, but it makes it much more satisfying to play. You just can feel the speed and agility of this combat style.
@@JPerez-ci6xu yeah, at least this animation cancelling seems to be tricky to do, unlike countering with LS iai...
You know what?
I hope they never patch it, and instead bring other weapons up to the bows level.
If they get rid of that animation cancel and fix the damage it's still gonna be amazing
Yeah sounds like all that’s borked atm is element modifier and the rapid cancel. Other than that it’s still a really good weapon right now
i always find it funny that people even care about something being OP when monster hunter isn't really competitive at all if anything being op just saves you time grinding nothing else
It's not about being competitive or not, it's about being balanced between the different weapon types that none of them are that much better than others.
@@jet-blackjo2455 my point is balance doesn't matter when the game isn't competitve having an edge over someone else doesn't matter when the multiplayer part of the game is both optional and not competitive. I don't think anyone is going to notice or even care if you have someone in your group doing 5-10% more damage.
@@facehugger8995 i mean speedrunner notice it pretty quickly, also, if it ain't balanced, then why have multiple weapon types at all?
Came to learn about bows, stayed for Prontera
Bro, is this Ragnarok Online music? So nostalgic
Ragnarok online background music. Nice man
I main bow in every mh. It feels crazy overpowered in rise at the moment but I'm just enjoying it after recently playing underwater bow in mh3u.
Pairing that slide with lvl3 evade extender has been great fun.
I really wish sometimes we'd just keep this low-key so they don't fix it ;/
don't worry, they won't. The guy is making things up.
Right? All the best stuff just gets erased, slice ammo, clusters, now the dodge dash
What? You WANT the game to be unbalanced? Why?
@@wobblecrash MH is a pve game so balance doesn’t mater as much as a pvp game
@@itsjustsilver8172 I mean you aren’t wrong, but personally I don’t like having one weapon be objectively better in every way than all the other weapons, it makes the game a lot less interesting imo.
I played Bow in the demo and just felt something and now in game and I love how strong it is
a weapon tuned to my skill level!
Did this stuff ever get patched
Oh found the bow in 3.0 vid
It still works this way
why do hard core players of a game try to ruin it for everyone. every time people like me get a advantage someone like you just have to complain. and capcom seems to listen every time.
I don't understand what your issue is. How is this ruining anything for you at all?
I come to game's like this because they are difficult and don't just hand things to me. I need to work for it and that is a large aspect of the game. If you want an easier game that just makes you OP and hands you shit go play Skyrim or some shit. No easy modes should exist in MH.
Why do casual gamers of a game try to ruin it for everyone? Every time people like me get a game series they like the casuals have to complain and game companies seem to cave to their whining every time.
@@paulvogel6401 but like...you're the one whining here. Base monster hunter games are always easy. Pre-iceborne world was not difficult in the slightest. Once you get over one monster hunter learning curve, they're all pretty easy. If you don't like that about monster hunter then I suggest you find a different series to play. We've been playing the game for quite some time and we don't bat an eye.
@@jojojokokomo I wasn't initially talking to you. But I've been playing MH since the beginning, so I know what they're like. A good chunk of the game revolves around difficulty, though I will admit you are right in that the last two entries have been incredibly easy even through most of G-Rank for MHW. Even MHGU was easy in comparison thanks to all the OP styles.
I certainly don't want the game to get any fucking easier though. Don't know how that came off as a whine, I was poking fun with the last sentence. It's essentially a rephrased copy of his comment.
He's not ruining anything for you; he's pointing out things that are probably bugs that need to be fixed so that more players understand why Capcom needs to change it.
Crit LBG can out dps still the Bow for this meta. We'll see on future patches.
after patch 2.0 what happened? it's still there. Don't listen to this guy and play bow if you want to. This bug he mentioned even ain't broken compared to how other weapons have hysterical i-frames. His made up explanation don't even make sense when you consider what other weapons can do.
So while I don’t think it’s generally fixed after the update, I think they may have... cut bows damage a bit. After the update I haven’t seen a single shot(non aerial aim/dragonoiercer) break 50. The most I’ve seen is 38 on regular and power shots. Is anyone else getting this or is this just me being bad at aiming or something.
Yo Phem, would you ever consider doing an overview of the metagame throughout the series? Even if it's only focused on gunning that'd be an interesting watch.
You don't have to not use Bow just because the core meta sets are broken in damage, it's still a fun weapon to play. If it's your preference and you don't want to feel like you are cheating do something off-meta with it and have fun.
Yes, it is weird if he feels like cheating because he really literally cheated to get a god deco..
@@paulbarola123 lul I didnt know that
@@KiwiOnTheTube Ye he got like wex 2 con 2 with a bunch of slots. It’s pretty ironic when someone who’s playing with that kind of charm is trying to communicate how op the weapon is. I still agree with everything said in the video though
@@philipp5756 Wild
I think the problem for him is the bugged on arrow elem calculation. Since it's like 20% increase in elem dmg so it should feel like you always using exploitation especially for someone who concern about using glitches or exploits. Same as me which always avoid exploiting(or even META) on any Solo/MP games.
Those data mines are from the demo, are you sure they are still correct? There's been dozens of changes since then
Who cares when you can get those sweet, sweet clicks?
Elemental damage, sure. But I'm not so sure about the cancelling - The character loads the bow (pulls the bowstring back) in the charge step animation already, so releasing the arrow is all that's left of the animation after it, and it's really fast. You can even buffer it way before the slide ends. The animation for the power shot (pressing A) plays completely, so that seems fine. The only thing you're cancelling is the "wind down" animation of the shot after the dash, which is common for any weapon doing any combo (the combo here being shot -> powershot). Been testing this myself, and it becomes more obvious when using something like evade extender. Anyways, just my 2 cents.
Leaving this here because I haven’t decided a main weapon yet. I’m already at hub rank 7 though
A friend told me to play ragnarok with him and i said not cause i was busy with MHR. Thats me playing RO again, thank you 😂
Do u know If it got patched by now?
"Capcom doesn't like animations canceling" almost every single ones can do that in rise
That's cancelling the very end of the animation; he was plainly talking about cancelling the entire animation (outside of a frame or two).
@@Eladelia just like the kinsect recall, it'll let you cancel almost everything, and you can do it after every single move
@@gh3superflame584 like you said thats after every move. the bow slide cancel is literally during the move which basically doubles the amount of arrows you shoot per frame. if it were true for every weapon its like hitting twice with a greatsword by spamming x during an overheadslash animation
@@joshuaanesdyquiangco3577 I'd say a better analogy would be straight up drawing to a strong charged slash with GS while magically getting the dmg from the first charged slash.
But yeah, the animation cancelling isn't just cancelling the endlag, it's just straight up cancelling the whole animation frame 1 while still getting the projectiles out.
capcom doesn't like cancel aninations?? street fighter became what it is today cause of them lol. but I get what you say. but is it really that of an issue to prioritize when the BG is making hunts - than 3 mins??
I was thinking the same thing when he said Capcom doesn't like cancel animations. Street Fighter and DMC franchise wouldn't even exist if that's the case
If bow is broken then what are the duel blades? I hit a average of 50+ damage of 13 to 20 in no more then 2 sec. now figure that out. I don’t think the bow is broken. Oh and my highest hits are 120
god dam ragnarok prontera background music, awesome!
So might be dumb but just to be clear the info you have on how mechanics are supposed to work and function are from datamines? Because I literally can't find legitimate info anywhere Is it just not available?
The datamines he was talking about was from the demo, so it might not be a bug since the full game tweaked a lot of values. The cancelling though most likely is
It is actually. None of my other weapons can compare with the bow
surprise surprise bow is broken again. welcome back Kelbibow.
If they dont fix the Helm splitter hitbox or all the broken things in bowgun i would not expect them to "fix" bow, all weapons should be treated the same
so you're telling me elemental weapons would be good actually, if capcom didn't try to neuter them and just unleashed it?
What would be your reaction if they never "fixed" it after all patches, would you actually accept that this is what they intended with the weapon or would you still think it was unintended, cause lets face it, these are the same guys that gave LS a counter that has massive i-frames, deals damage AND raises a spirit bar level if it hits, without any cost other than "know the timing" aka, play the weapon well and the same team that still treats Gunlance like garbage, balancing is NOT capcom's strong point.
These are not "bugs," just changes. Also, Power Shot always animation cancel, whether you're dashing or not.
What you have to keep in mind is that the game was not designed with you sweaty gamers who have spent a bagilllion hours on the series. For people like that, the bow is very "meta" cuz it's a ranged weapon that allows you to have extremely high uptime, dodging everything while still aiming for weak points. For the average player though, the bow has some very significant downsides.
I love how the "meta" only takes into account 10% of the playerbase. This is most likely cuz only 10% care enough about a "meta" to be talking about it.
Power shot only animation cancels after a dodge.
What i heard : bow is OP
What i will do : We`re getting bow set guys
Is that they use Dmg Cal from MHXX/MHGU? It seems likely that MHGU doesn't have Ele Mod in each Arrow Types like World/Iceborne.
Hope they fix this, but gives us the deco for bow charge up
Probably not that'd be to good
@@smurphy55656 ;_;
@@LuisEdGm but a man can dream... right?
You could, it’ll be a level 5 slot 🤣
@@UtagU_ab And then they release the deluxe arena feather earring which is the only gear piece with a lvl 5 slot....
If they 'fix' the rapid/power animation cancel, then i want either quick shot or a mighty bow deco
dont know about this one chief. i do agree about the numbers needing to be what they say it is, if the arrows are ignoring values, thats a bug.
O_o Ragnarok Prontera Theme?! Gah, now i have to fire it up again, thanks -_-
not broken. you are doing the attack DURING the slide.
its not a bug, its a FEATURE !
that pun in the thumbnail tho, damn.......
Complaining about animation cancelling is a bit silly imo, it's not like it's a PvP game, why not just let ppl have fun.
Hopefully bow is replaced with projectile longswords
ur talking about how broken bow is while I’m here struggling to aim properly
Gyroscope
Gyroscope makes it better
Can someone kindly explain how the slide abuse works? I can’t seem to pull it off... I’m trying slide > zr > a (as fast as I can). And can’t seem to get it done right
You dash normal shot and tap A twice you need to have the switch skill charging sidestep not dodgebolt. Dodgebolt ruins the input flow.
@@EzraLeoGomez I see. Thanks kindly friend!
Shouldn't the formula be (20*1.125*30)/100 for the elemental shot at 2:25? Giving +7 damage? (Rounded from 6.75)
Well, I suppose it's tradition at this point that some crazy animation cancel bug exists in a MH game. Also fulfilling tradition of a ranged weapon being stupid unreasonably overpowered.
I hate finding out about this stuff cuz it makes my sense of accomplishment/improvement feel unnearned y'know? 😔 But it's also important to know about so
The animation cancel is cool and should be kept. Nerf the damage not the gameplay at least.
With any type shot bow the animation between normal shot and power shot is basically instant. I love it 😁
As a bow main im offended that they are gonna nerf/fix Bow knowing LS exist
Phem: *complains about the bow*
LS, LBG, HBG: and I took that personally..
Goddamn, let weapons be as they are, not everyone will play any weapon just because its doing good damage! You can cheese anything with a half-decent build in the game. This is likely going to trash the bow down to shit if they decide to nerf. This is why we can’t have nice things smfh 🙄😑 you can also make animation cancel with other weapons as well, btw.
No animation cancels are as ridiculous as this one though, you gotta admit. Besides, world bow didnt have this and it was also one of, if not the best weapon in the game.
complains about bow and then uses bowguns lmao
Realized this today. I bully HR tetranadon and get 6 to 8 min solos with most weapons but I just did a 3min solo with tobi bow.
I mean its Japanese them, yeah the long sword and the bow was going to be the go to weapons. I am not mad at it tho, I like a lot of the weapons and seeing how they work better for each monster.
bow ain't gonna change that much even if the so called "bug" is removed. To do it properly you need to buffer the attack as you slide and time the power shot very precisly. Doing this on a moving target with just a controller is very hard. Its better to aim properly rather than try to cancel animation just to save 0.5 seconds.
Very true.
It will matter for speedrunerrs who exploit the ai, know what the monster will do where it will be, and restart missions over and over for best times. The on paper efficient things is what they can use that we don't in normal play with randos. But yes your are right for most people and scenarios and normal play it probably will not matter because it will be difficult especially online with randoms moving the monster around, except for when it gets to pc where aiming is way easier it will probably see alot of use. Also .5 of a second is theoretically half the time it should take, leading to double the shots, for a way shorter on paper half time hunt.
I like your videos in general, but adding ragnarok online ost takes it to next level sir!
the damage is insane but , based on my experience and my experience only , i found it quite hard to play , you have to play very close to monsters et you are very squishy
If you use a pierce bow you can actually play far away from the monster, there's actually also a skill called ballistics which makes you able to stand farther away from a monster too, even works with close range coatings. Works with any bow, but paired with a pierce one you can stand super far away.
Its funny how I didn't knew any of this stuff but I felt like the bow was kinda op. Like I was dealing waaay more damage with it than other weapons but didn't really feel like it was because I was really good with it but instead bc it was just kinda OP.
Turns out I was right... I suck but the weapon is broken lol
Prontera BGM 😳
is that the sound track for ragnarok mobile on your video in the background?
See I dont min/max or anything. So I honestly don't do the whole meta chasing part but even I noticed the rapid power cancel thing. But honestly I don't think it is so broken you should stay away from it. Just don't lean on that aspect so when it's removed you aren't effect too much.
This ragnarok ost though. Prontera
I'll never understand why people cry for nerfs in this game. Oh no! We killed the monster too fast! Get a grip and play solo if you want to take half an hour per run