Boy that “full power” power-on stall got my attention - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Garmin attitude indicator display show that much pitch up! How did it feel in the plane? In the 310 I trained in that type of power-on stall would have been a big no-no, we used half throttle and it still felt like you were pointed straight up. I’m also curious about setting power with prop control only, what system is it allows the pilot to do that, some type of electronic or computer engine control? The steep approach looked awesome! Thanks Rich!
That was very impressive and Rick solid stable. The ECS system handles the loser based on RPMs so MP and fuel automatic from ECS. Very simple. Steep approach was impressive too - don’t know where you would ever need to do that but clearing an obstacle prior to short field landing would be very easy. Thanks for watching.
I had the Italian guy say the TO is a STOL, so the pull hard control back prior to TO roll, n in the lift-off, then ease back..with power adjustments via prop (to 2400)..
Sure is one nice looking plane. That steep approach was really steep and impressive. Single engine operation and handling seems to be fairly simple and easy. Wish they had a diesel/ jet fuel version for the European market since those 100LL pumps is getting both fewer, expensive and hard to find. Thanks for the ride again Rich
Really good video. loved how benign it was in the maintained stall. The automatic run up was really interesting how it reduces pilot work load . Thank you for sharing.
I used to fly the DHC 6 Twin Otter in Hawaii to some of the smaller airports like Hana and Kalaupapa, Kapalua, West Maui. This would be a great airplane for those smaller airports. What a great airplane! I am a big fan of the Technam P2006T Twin Rotax 4 seater twin also.
I did a little looking to see how the Traveler stacks up against the Caravan - it seems that although it is not quite as capable in some areas, the operating costs appear vastly lower. That, combined with better safety, a more comfortable interior with better amenities makes me think that this plane could very well steal the Caravan's thunder in at least the commuter sector.
Tecnam looks lie a real winner for that mission segment. When I fly my C206 into KBIL for a COSTCO run I see a flock of them at Cape Air. Funny seeing Cape Air out here in Montana. They were big back east when I flew for Continental Express from KEWR.
Great video, the first on the P2012 that pilots would be interested in. The handling qualities seem perfect for a commuter airline with relatively low time pilots and the engines seem much easier to handle than that on the Chieftain. It will be interesting to see what Tecnam comes up with next. Retractable gear would be nice, as would G3000 avionics with touch screen controllers. I'm curious if Tecnam is investigating a diesel option, something like the Centurian 4.0 V8 engine. This would aircraft would be perfect for an earthrounder trip, but avgas is imposible to find in many parts of the world and if you can find it.....it is expensive. One quetion I have is are the throttle leavers left at the full forward position for most of the flight - if power is regulated by the pitch levers. It would be really nice if Tecnam would also put the POH/AFM on their website so prospective pilots/owners could familiarise themselves with the aircraft.
@@FlyingwithRich It's a mistake a LOT of youtube content creators make. Here's how to set it: 1. Use a decent pair of headphones or studio monitors (Best to check with headphones, as overly loud parts are usually more obnoxious on headphones). 2. Set headphone (or monitor) volume, so the typical dialogue volume sounds like you're listening to a conversation with somebody right in front of you, who is speaking clearly. 3. Without changing headphone (or monitor) volume, set the music volume, so it sounds appropriate/ in context to your dialogue reference. (This process assumes that you've already mixed your dialogue for consistent volume level throughout the video, and applied any necessary post production, such as compression/limiting/AGC etc).
A fine upgrade of the Partenavia P68 Victor I saw at the dealership North of L.A. some years ago. Head banging in turbulence was an issue. The five point harnesses good to see.
Hi Rich, it would be great to get your opinion on the Tecnam P2006T, light twin engine retractible gear trainer. Just to get an experienced pilot’s perspective as a trainer but also as a personal aircraft. Great videos Rich, greetings from Germany!
I've really liked the Tecnam P2010, wished they had a little more payload/speed as they fall in-between the 172/182 in my opinion. But man I love the third door!!!! Rich, your channel is growing in leaps and bounds I think you have hit on the right format, another great and informative video!!!
We were just talking about the P2012 last night and this morning!! It all started with the new Cessna Sky Courier. Then the sich w/ Cape Air and the P2012! 8) The Sky Courier is very cool too!! Cape Air is replacing their Cessna 4xx's with the P2012's. We were speculating if they might add some Sky Courier's also. 8) 2- PT6's, very good performance!! I think they were designed for FedEx!? Interesting!! Great ride along, thanks Rich!! 8) --gary
I mostly agree. If they did take on any cargo missions, or anything where more capacity was needed, the brand new Sky Courier would be an excellent choice. It's still single pilot certified, has big capacity, built like a tank and PT6's are so common now they are easy to get worked on! Parts are everywhere. It seems a great value! All things to look for when optimizing the bottom line. 8) Peace.. --gary
Skycourier is basically double the money and 19 seats. For operators who can fill the seats or fill it with boxes it will make a lot sense, but likely a different operator than the P2012. I think you will see Fed Ex phase out the Caravans for Skycouriers over time. We’ll see.
I’m pretty sure I have flown in this plane. Kenai Aviation airplane from Alaska. There up to three of the new Tecnam Aircraft! They’re super impressive! Pretty cool how smart they are!
150 Kt airplane at 40 gals an hour, fixed gear. Not bad, call it 8 pax, Pilot and Co pilot, 10 total. Very nice Stall handling, full power stall just a little right rudder. What kind of anti ice. Probably boots with recip engine. Very nice camera demo sales setup.
Good video. Nice looking aircraft. It possibly competes a little with the BN Islander, which is still in production, but this is a more modern design with a price that reflects that. It's amusing to watch with the CC on. "Mission" is often rendered as "bishop," "high duty cycle" is shown as "I did a cycle" and so on.
"We are a cigarette" The subtitles are cracking me up. I'm sure I'll see these out on Nantucket & Martha's Vineyard next year once Cape Air starts taking delivery, if they haven't already.
I think that’s the plan with Cap Air - seems like a perfect fit for them. We had audio problems which seems to be a recurring event. Thanks for watching!
Rich- You, very good Pilot-,because You together with original pilot Francesco from Tecnam flying over Palm Beach piloting brand new-model Tecnam P2012 Traveller from Italy..!!! I wish You --Good-luck in You mission...
Seems like a very nice plane and extremely safe with very benign stall and single engine demo. Fixed gear and no pressurization means less complication and cheaper to run. Wonder how sales would go considering it's a piston. Thanks Rich
Turbine power would probably add the better part of a $million to the price. But depending where the aircraft is flown the difference between the price of jet vs. Avgas needs to be considered. As for the fixed gear and no pressurization, this seems like a short haul commuter hauler. On the short legs the speed penalty for the fixed landing gear is not a big deal. And on short hops at low altitude the pressurization isn't necessary. Just a heavy expensive fluff.
Perhaps consumer demand may convince Tecnam to explore other engine options later in its life? I've seen that an electric is being trialled in Norway. Maybe a diesel version in the future could be popular where low lead is scarce?@@davem5333
Cool, as always! Would enjoy hearing you speak of the new Hondajet 2600: how good is it, will it make it to production, how long, engins from whom? Thanks
Nice, aircraft where my elbows are not stuck in the side of my co :) ... is it just me, but those panels seem to move a lot when operating switches and push buttons. Nice video! $2.6 Million, on the pricey side but certainly cheaper than a TBM 940 at $4.3 Million which seems to require more care/maintenance. Seems to be a very stable and solid workhorse aircraft with low operating costs.
The Tecnam Twin has a future as a short Haul commuter, maybe like Long beach to LAX or Van Nuys, Big Bear or the Springs ??? looks big enough inside to pack Cargo but I didn't notice any big door for that purpose....You Nailed it.... Thanks for the ride...
Seriously for the longest time I was favoring the old Cessna Skymasters for twin power, I never had issues with engine out issues with inline centerline thrust. A true workhorse in its day, always flew it in a four seat configuration which was all needed for my type of flying. What I would like to know what is the price of one of these 2012’s in Euros, import taxes into the USA must be crazy stupid. I reside in Europe now but I am curious to compare costs. Too bad they don’t have the 2006 with these Lycoming engines.
I can’t wrap my head around the market for the P2012. Its a nicely appointed plane but for $2.6mm you can buy a very nice Cessna Caravan and fly it for a year before reaching the acquisition price of a P2012. You will fly a littler faster, have better useful load and have PT6A-114 reliability. An A&P told me Cape Air was having issues with the engines.
There is a strong component and appeal for redundancy of twin engine. Caravan will burn more block time fuel but fuel costs will be similar due to cheaper jet fuel. High utilization operations will likely have higher engine maintenance costs due to HSI interval and component cycles. We’ll see though - Caravan very tough competition for sure. Thanks for watching.
For the type of flying cape air does(remember this aircraft is custom designed for cape air) caravan is not an option. Multiple short flights in an hour type of operation cycles out turbine engines way before they reach operating hour limit. Now you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to overhaul an engine that has half of it's nominal tbo left. Piston engines only count hours. There is no cycle limit. They should have bought a turbine aircraft people have no idea what they are talking about. The engine overhaul costs would eat operators like cape air alive.
@@blegi1245 I didn’t suggest Cape Air should be flying Caravans. I said Cape Air may be having problems with the engines. Many operators run short hops with aircrafts with PT6 and other turbine engines. There are 135 operators like VeriJet flying short hops in single engine jets like SF50. The fact remains that it’s $2.6 mm for the Tecnam at 150 TAS doesn’t move the needle for me IMO and you don’t have nearly the National support as a Textron aircraft.
Looks pretty nice. I personally hate the p2006 after working in them for a few years but this seems pretty good. Better cowlings with the new engines. Interior looks like it would break less after wear. Having it with fixed gear doesn’t mean I have to curse at the tail panels fir the pump and hopefully they moved the relays. I’d just need to see about the brake system and the brake rotors themselves. The brake rotors on a p2006 are barely bigger than a light sport category aircraft and like to bend if over heated and over used as compared to a da40 which has a much bigger break rotor with both aircraft having similar empty weights
Great video Rich and this looks like a seriously nice airplane. I can't help but wonder how this machine compares to the Grand Caravan, in performance and load capacity. Obviously not going to carry as many people in the P2012 vs the GrandVan but I'm thinking about freight? The GrandVan, in my understanding, will carry up to 1200kg with full fuel and then planning happens at 165kts. Cost of purchase and ownership on this will be materially cheaper... Your thoughts?
Grand Caravan standard useful load based on standard airplane which is pretty light (no options) has more like a 1800kg useful load. Similar P2012 has a 1360kg useful load. Max seating in both airplanes is 10 but one of the things I was most impressed with in the P2012 was the feel of cabin and seating - it just had a very comfortable, airline feel to it. Obviously, the Caravan will be stiff competition for the P2012 but I see some advantages to it and I think it I’ll do well in the market, but won’t happen over night. Thanks for watching.
You probably scared the crap out of people on ground with that steep approach. 😅 That's a beautiful airplane though. There's competition for cessna's new sky courier I think they call it ?
Rich, does the P2012 have spoilers to control speed during the steep approach? This approach would be helpful landing at Toncontin Airport Honduras and Gustaf Airport St Barthélemy Island, not to mention London City Airport. Do you think maintenance of two piston engines would be more or less the cost of one turboprop turbine engine? Great performance on single engine. Does the aircraft have air conditioning?
No spoilers. Yes on AC. Great question on engines and I’m not really sure. I can see real advantages to both. A lot of high utilization operators can get on TBO extension programs for PT6s than can push overhaul intervals way out which can really drive costs down. There are other factors that make the pistons a better choice - not subject to expensive component cycles so we’ll see. Thanks for message and watching!
Great! What I see is yet one more Garmin avionics suite that needs ever constant software updates, especially with every malfunctioning part, that usually eats up my entire day or week and weekend depending on exactly what degree of 'Oh Sh--" we're into with an owner/operator screaming about warranty through the whole process. Cheers!
Boy that “full power” power-on stall got my attention - I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Garmin attitude indicator display show that much pitch up! How did it feel in the plane? In the 310 I trained in that type of power-on stall would have been a big no-no, we used half throttle and it still felt like you were pointed straight up. I’m also curious about setting power with prop control only, what system is it allows the pilot to do that, some type of electronic or computer engine control? The steep approach looked awesome! Thanks Rich!
That was very impressive and Rick solid stable. The ECS system handles the loser based on RPMs so MP and fuel automatic from ECS. Very simple. Steep approach was impressive too - don’t know where you would ever need to do that but clearing an obstacle prior to short field landing would be very easy. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Capt. Rich
Thank you!
I had the Italian guy say the TO is a STOL, so the pull hard control back prior to TO roll, n in the lift-off, then ease back..with power adjustments via prop (to 2400)..
What a nice plane, without retracting gear, and the best part is that the cost on an annual just got cheaper and easier.
Wow, this is a very nice airplane! Thanks for another great video Rich.
Thank you.
The cape air special! See these every day.
many years ago, I did my SOLO on a Tecnam P-92... great project!!!
Been following this aircraft that I found very interesting. Thanks again Rich for taking us along.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the video and very clear explanation from the perspective of a pilot.
Man looks a lot like the Britten-Norman BN-2 Islander. Thanks for the video Rich.
It really does. There is a operation out of Camarillo that flew Islanders to Channel Islands for 40+ years. Thanks for watching!
Sure is one nice looking plane. That steep approach was really steep and impressive. Single engine operation and handling seems to be fairly simple and easy. Wish they had a diesel/ jet fuel version for the European market since those 100LL pumps is getting both fewer, expensive and hard to find. Thanks for the ride again Rich
Yeah I’m with you on all your points. Thanks for Rich.
Phenomenal technology to handle tactical situations. Loved it!
Really good video. loved how benign it was in the maintained stall. The automatic run up was really interesting how it reduces pilot work load . Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Rich for "flying with you" again. Compliments. Impressive flight characteristics make you feel safe in this beautiful twin.
Thank you. Well said about the twin.
I used to fly the DHC 6 Twin Otter in Hawaii to some of the smaller airports like Hana and Kalaupapa, Kapalua, West Maui. This would be a great airplane for those smaller airports. What a great airplane! I am a big fan of the Technam P2006T Twin Rotax 4 seater twin also.
Thanks for the message!
Tecnam are making fantastic Aircraft
Very cool airplane. I've seen one once at KFTW and now I know what it's about. Thanks Rich!
Thank you!
Have always favored the Caravan, but the Traveler offers the extra safety of having that extra engine. Very nice plane, very solid.
I did a little looking to see how the Traveler stacks up against the Caravan - it seems that although it is not quite as capable in some areas, the operating costs appear vastly lower. That, combined with better safety, a more comfortable interior with better amenities makes me think that this plane could very well steal the Caravan's thunder in at least the commuter sector.
A caravan has a turbine engine
Tecnam looks lie a real winner for that mission segment. When I fly my C206 into KBIL for a COSTCO run I see a flock of them at Cape Air. Funny seeing Cape Air out here in Montana. They were big back east when I flew for Continental Express from KEWR.
Look at all that room! Nice.
A great plane. Wonderful video! Thank you
Thank you!
Great video and demo. The product: DREAM.
This will do just right for family and work .
Once we see something cool with wings by default we go straigt to your UA-cam channel!! Good job!
Haha - thank you!
First time here and I am falling in love with the channel already!!!!!! 🥰🥰
Thank you!
really cool. nice to see a company making a stab at the short haul niche. nice video
I'll never get to fly a nice plane like this, but thanks for showing us.
Wow! I want to be a demo pilot! That steep approach was impressive! Great demo Rich!!!!
Thanks - yeah very impressive!
gorgeous aircraft
What a clean plane.
Great video, the first on the P2012 that pilots would be interested in. The handling qualities seem perfect for a commuter airline with relatively low time pilots and the engines seem much easier to handle than that on the Chieftain. It will be interesting to see what Tecnam comes up with next. Retractable gear would be nice, as would G3000 avionics with touch screen controllers. I'm curious if Tecnam is investigating a diesel option, something like the Centurian 4.0 V8 engine. This would aircraft would be perfect for an earthrounder trip, but avgas is imposible to find in many parts of the world and if you can find it.....it is expensive. One quetion I have is are the throttle leavers left at the full forward position for most of the flight - if power is regulated by the pitch levers. It would be really nice if Tecnam would also put the POH/AFM on their website so prospective pilots/owners could familiarise themselves with the aircraft.
Or tiny turboprops
Surprised they did not fit G3000 in there as well considering the size.
Rich I’m glad to be back here on the Channel
Really enjoy your videos with the exception of the obscenely loud music at the lead in!
Thanks. I’ll try to turn that down.
@@FlyingwithRich It's a mistake a LOT of youtube content creators make. Here's how to set it:
1. Use a decent pair of headphones or studio monitors (Best to check with headphones, as overly loud parts are usually more obnoxious on headphones).
2. Set headphone (or monitor) volume, so the typical dialogue volume sounds like you're listening to a conversation with somebody right in front of you, who is speaking clearly.
3. Without changing headphone (or monitor) volume, set the music volume, so it sounds appropriate/ in context to your dialogue reference.
(This process assumes that you've already mixed your dialogue for consistent volume level throughout the video, and applied any necessary post production, such as compression/limiting/AGC etc).
Thank you. Will definitely do it!
I've never heard of this aircraft. Very nice!
Thanks for watching.
A fine upgrade of the Partenavia P68 Victor I saw at the dealership North of L.A. some years ago. Head banging in turbulence was an issue. The five point harnesses good to see.
Was that Channel Islands at CMA?
Really enjoying the captions. Pretty funny.
thats a very interesting airplane! keep up the exceptional content!
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Saludos !!!
Hi Rich, it would be great to get your opinion on the Tecnam P2006T, light twin engine retractible gear trainer. Just to get an experienced pilot’s perspective as a trainer but also as a personal aircraft. Great videos Rich, greetings from Germany!
the steep approach is really impressive
I agree!
I've really liked the Tecnam P2010, wished they had a little more payload/speed as they fall in-between the 172/182 in my opinion.
But man I love the third door!!!!
Rich, your channel is growing in leaps and bounds I think you have hit on the right format, another great and informative video!!!
Thanks Ron. We’ll be picking up a P2010 this week to get a good look at it. I have never flown one.
@@FlyingwithRich
Awesome, looking forward to what your opinion is of it.....
Good, informative overview video. The auto-generated subtitles are kind of hilarious too. Tks.
Thank you! Yeah and half of the subtitles are actually transcribed by a 3rd party and not auto generated 😂
fantastic plane enjoy
Looks like a great plane .versatile!
I agree - let’s see how it does in the market!
This is powerful its real go for it deal
Looks like a upgrade from the Norman brittan islander one of the best short haul twins in the world.
Very impressive flight qualities, nice equipped plane…
Thanks for watching!
We were just talking about the P2012 last night and this morning!! It all started with the new Cessna Sky Courier. Then the sich w/ Cape Air and the P2012! 8) The Sky Courier is very cool too!! Cape Air is replacing their Cessna 4xx's with the P2012's. We were speculating if they might add some Sky Courier's also. 8) 2- PT6's, very good performance!! I think they were designed for FedEx!? Interesting!! Great ride along, thanks Rich!! 8) --gary
I doubt Cape Air would add the new Cessna as it would mean maintaining two types instead of one, which would be more expensive.
I mostly agree. If they did take on any cargo missions, or anything where more capacity was needed, the brand new Sky Courier would be an excellent choice. It's still single pilot certified, has big capacity, built like a tank and PT6's are so common now they are easy to get worked on! Parts are everywhere. It seems a great value! All things to look for when optimizing the bottom line. 8) Peace.. --gary
Skycourier is basically double the money and 19 seats. For operators who can fill the seats or fill it with boxes it will make a lot sense, but likely a different operator than the P2012. I think you will see Fed Ex phase out the Caravans for Skycouriers over time. We’ll see.
I’m pretty sure I have flown in this plane. Kenai Aviation airplane from Alaska. There up to three of the new Tecnam Aircraft! They’re super impressive! Pretty cool how smart they are!
150 Kt airplane at 40 gals an hour, fixed gear. Not bad, call it 8 pax, Pilot and Co pilot, 10 total. Very nice Stall handling, full power stall just a little right rudder. What kind of anti ice. Probably boots with recip engine. Very nice camera demo sales setup.
Thanks!
Website says it has TKS.
Good video. Nice looking aircraft. It possibly competes a little with the BN Islander, which is still in production, but this is a more modern design with a price that reflects that.
It's amusing to watch with the CC on. "Mission" is often rendered as "bishop," "high duty cycle" is shown as "I did a cycle" and so on.
Looks like an upgraded version of the Islander. Beautiful bird though. 👍🏻
"We are a cigarette" The subtitles are cracking me up. I'm sure I'll see these out on Nantucket & Martha's Vineyard next year once Cape Air starts taking delivery, if they haven't already.
I think that’s the plan with Cap Air - seems like a perfect fit for them. We had audio problems which seems to be a recurring event. Thanks for watching!
"Level off similar to celery"
Rich- You, very good Pilot-,because You together with original pilot Francesco from Tecnam flying over Palm Beach piloting brand new-model Tecnam P2012 Traveller from Italy..!!!
I wish You --Good-luck in You mission...
Thank you!
@@FlyingwithRich ok
Great plane..👍
Seems like a very nice plane and extremely safe with very benign stall and single engine demo. Fixed gear and no pressurization means less complication and cheaper to run. Wonder how sales would go considering it's a piston. Thanks Rich
Good question on the piston component. We’ll see. Thanks for watching!
Turbine power would probably add the better part of a $million to the price.
But depending where the aircraft is flown the difference between the price of jet vs. Avgas needs to be considered.
As for the fixed gear and no pressurization, this seems like a short haul commuter hauler. On the short legs the speed penalty for the fixed landing gear is not a big deal. And on short hops at low altitude the pressurization isn't necessary. Just a heavy expensive fluff.
Perhaps consumer demand may convince Tecnam to explore other engine options later in its life? I've seen that an electric is being trialled in Norway. Maybe a diesel version in the future could be popular where low lead is scarce?@@davem5333
That is one hell of a plane. Rich what s the VNE and 80% speeds . The Allison 250 or RR 450 hp Turbine could be a match on long flights.
Love your channel… thanks
Thank you!
Tecnam are marketing a STOL version of this now
Cool, as always! Would enjoy hearing you speak of the new Hondajet 2600: how good is it, will it make it to production, how long, engins from whom? Thanks
Impressive aircraft!
Tecnam is in my top five for interest.
How do they achieve that control with the wings stalled. Is it washout, aileron mods or what? very nice though. No wing drop stall though 🙂
I’m not sure but a very nice ride.
Very impressive airplane.
Thanks. I agree.
It would be neat if you had a DB meter to measure sound levels in each of these different airplanes.
Nice plane
Nice, aircraft where my elbows are not stuck in the side of my co :) ... is it just me, but those panels seem to move a lot when operating switches and push buttons. Nice video! $2.6 Million, on the pricey side but certainly cheaper than a TBM 940 at $4.3 Million which seems to require more care/maintenance. Seems to be a very stable and solid workhorse aircraft with low operating costs.
The TBM doesn't have near as much interior room or the ability to carry cargo. The TBM is a sports car and this is an SUV.
@@TexanUSMC8089 You cant compare this pice of Junk to a TBM
good video good aircraft
This is a cool airplane
So cool!
That steep approach was impressive, but how do you prevent shock cooling those big expensive 540s?
Cool them off before the descent if you can. Don’t do it often.
Could see many rolls for this aircraft. It’s a nice looking plane as well. Short medical trans or even ma and pa shuttle cargo sky’s the limit really.
Agreed!
Cool italian accent 😉🇮🇹
Loved it
The Tecnam Twin has a future as a short Haul commuter, maybe like Long beach to LAX or Van Nuys, Big Bear or the Springs ??? looks big enough inside to pack Cargo but I didn't notice any big door for that purpose....You Nailed it.... Thanks for the ride...
Thanks for the message and watching!
It does have a big side door for cargo.
Cape Air on the East coast have 30 of these already. I think they have over 60 on order
Seriously for the longest time I was favoring the old Cessna Skymasters for twin power, I never had issues with engine out issues with inline centerline thrust. A true workhorse in its day, always flew it in a four seat configuration which was all needed for my type of flying.
What I would like to know what is the price of one of these 2012’s in Euros, import taxes into the USA must be crazy stupid. I reside in Europe now but I am curious to compare costs. Too bad they don’t have the 2006 with these Lycoming engines.
WOW! The best!
Wow, what all piston twins should be like.
Thanks for watching!
The P2012 is an amazing machine. Have flown from Boston with Cape Air on these 5 or 6 times over the last year. So impressive.
sorry to see this isn't a diesel, thought it was initially... definitely seeming the way to go in the future, in Europe anyway.
good demo
Thank you!
@@FlyingwithRich yehhh, good day to you my friend
I can’t wrap my head around the market for the P2012. Its a nicely appointed plane but for $2.6mm you can buy a very nice Cessna Caravan and fly it for a year before reaching the acquisition price of a P2012. You will fly a littler faster, have better useful load and have PT6A-114 reliability. An A&P told me Cape Air was having issues with the engines.
There is a strong component and appeal for redundancy of twin engine. Caravan will burn more block time fuel but fuel costs will be similar due to cheaper jet fuel. High utilization operations will likely have higher engine maintenance costs due to HSI interval and component cycles. We’ll see though - Caravan very tough competition for sure. Thanks for watching.
For the type of flying cape air does(remember this aircraft is custom designed for cape air) caravan is not an option. Multiple short flights in an hour type of operation cycles out turbine engines way before they reach operating hour limit. Now you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to overhaul an engine that has half of it's nominal tbo left. Piston engines only count hours. There is no cycle limit. They should have bought a turbine aircraft people have no idea what they are talking about. The engine overhaul costs would eat operators like cape air alive.
@@blegi1245 I didn’t suggest Cape Air should be flying Caravans. I said Cape Air may be having problems with the engines. Many operators run short hops with aircrafts with PT6 and other turbine engines. There are 135 operators like VeriJet flying short hops in single engine jets like SF50. The fact remains that it’s $2.6 mm for the Tecnam at 150 TAS doesn’t move the needle for me IMO and you don’t have nearly the National support as a Textron aircraft.
@@DonAv8s go buy a textron turbine then. Why are you here crying instead?
@@blegi1245 Wow man! Do you work for Tecnam?
Looks pretty nice. I personally hate the p2006 after working in them for a few years but this seems pretty good. Better cowlings with the new engines. Interior looks like it would break less after wear. Having it with fixed gear doesn’t mean I have to curse at the tail panels fir the pump and hopefully they moved the relays. I’d just need to see about the brake system and the brake rotors themselves. The brake rotors on a p2006 are barely bigger than a light sport category aircraft and like to bend if over heated and over used as compared to a da40 which has a much bigger break rotor with both aircraft having similar empty weights
Thanks for the feedback - so important to get the service/reliability right on a working airplane like this!
Great video Rich and this looks like a seriously nice airplane. I can't help but wonder how this machine compares to the Grand Caravan, in performance and load capacity. Obviously not going to carry as many people in the P2012 vs the GrandVan but I'm thinking about freight? The GrandVan, in my understanding, will carry up to 1200kg with full fuel and then planning happens at 165kts. Cost of purchase and ownership on this will be materially cheaper... Your thoughts?
Grand Caravan standard useful load based on standard airplane which is pretty light (no options) has more like a 1800kg useful load. Similar P2012 has a 1360kg useful load. Max seating in both airplanes is 10 but one of the things I was most impressed with in the P2012 was the feel of cabin and seating - it just had a very comfortable, airline feel to it. Obviously, the Caravan will be stiff competition for the P2012 but I see some advantages to it and I think it I’ll do well in the market, but won’t happen over night. Thanks for watching.
@@FlyingwithRich thanks Rich. Any indication of price for the P2012?
@@StrandManna ... I believe that it’s priced right around 2.6 mil... depending on specs of course
Nice airplane, I believe Cape air are replacing their twin cessna fleet with these.
You are correct. Thanks for watching!
Interesting video. Pity about the low sun angle.
Agree!
I think they should try the Austro engines that Diamond uses. Complete efficiency, and no avgas issues.
Check that video!
ua-cam.com/video/GJy93vrbvw0/v-deo.html
That's what I said. Agree 100%
Never go into diesel..
DA42/62's are down for maint 60% of the time, not as reliable as been lead to believe.
Hi there did I understand properly that you fly this aircraft from take off on with the blue levers which are the prop levers? Thank you very much.
Can floaters be mounted onto it for landing on water?
You probably scared the crap out of people on ground with that steep approach. 😅 That's a beautiful airplane though. There's competition for cessna's new sky courier I think they call it ?
Skycourier is a larger airplane and has PT6s. Pretty much double the useful load, 200KTS, and $5.5M - $6M - so in a different class.
Rich , my wife saids that I don’t love her anymore since I only wants to watch you flying !
Haha! It’s only 20 minutes once a week!
Looks like it has some mission crossover with a Caravan. Slow, unpressurized....but carries a lot of stuff.
Rich, does the P2012 have spoilers to control speed during the steep approach? This approach would be helpful landing at Toncontin Airport Honduras and Gustaf Airport St Barthélemy Island, not to mention London City Airport. Do you think maintenance of two piston engines would be more or less the cost of one turboprop turbine engine? Great performance on single engine. Does the aircraft have air conditioning?
No spoilers. Yes on AC. Great question on engines and I’m not really sure. I can see real advantages to both. A lot of high utilization operators can get on TBO extension programs for PT6s than can push overhaul intervals way out which can really drive costs down. There are other factors that make the pistons a better choice - not subject to expensive component cycles so we’ll see. Thanks for message and watching!
I’ve wanted this plane since it was released. Rich, did you get a headache towards the end of the video? Maybe caused by the sun?
I did - picked the wrong time of day! Thanks for watching!!
cool airplane. I kinda thought that airplane would be a little quicker than what it is.
Great! What I see is yet one more Garmin avionics suite that needs ever constant software updates, especially with every malfunctioning part, that usually eats up my entire day or week and weekend depending on exactly what degree of 'Oh Sh--" we're into with an owner/operator screaming about warranty through the whole process. Cheers!
Pretty plane. Cape Air uses Tecnam I think.
Yeah - unique airplane I hope the sell a ton of them.
Very impressive could it be used as Bush plan like the Kodiak?
It could be - it’s rugged and has great short field performance but I believe Kodiak has shorter TO & Landing performance.
How many Freighters ships do you see from that Altitude you are at in the Tecnam
Haven’t counted but as many as I have seen before.
Sounds like he's flying with Furio from the Sopranos...
stitching on the control yoke looks a bit dodgy unless that's just something due to the camera.
I didn’t look that close at yoke, but overall it was a very quality finish on the interior.
Nice aircraft Rich …. When did Christiano Ronaldo become a demo pilot?🤣🤣👍
Haha good one!