Watching the comparison after playing the remake, I do agree that Kaine looks more emotionless in more scenes. It's like her eyes don't move. But that problem is also in the original. Kaine ALWAYS looks like she just killed someone's sister in the original. It's like her eyes never move in both.
Something that you didn't mention that I feel is important is that replicants brother nier was the original way the game was intended to be experienced. So saying that dad nier was the "original" is kinda invalid. He was an afterthought for the western release because they thought the west wouldnt lime a child protag. He was Not the original.
This is maybe late comment, the only way to play the original brother nier on the ps3 version is an emulation. I’ve watch a recent emulation playthrough of the game. It is the same as papa nier with Kaine scenes are the same. The complain is that the remake is that they took away kaine’s facial expressions. Also how square most didn’t save their original soundtracks. Though the difference in the ps3 is that brother neir’s young model just terrible how he puts his hair up like he has spiky hair like cloud. Also older brother nier model in so many scenes look like he is more pissed off in every cutscenes to show his hatred for shades and everything that has happened. I kinda think there is a missing link bc all versions of the game should be considered nier replicant for the ps3.
So,in automata when you get iron pipe and the history say "youre the best father in the world" i think papa is original just like brother is original too,Are just two points of view from the same world!
@@kijengam3r614 more like when automata was released in English, there was no way to play with brother neir in the west. So when they localized it. They changed it.
Wasnt the original idea to have gestalt be the xbox version and then replicant be the playstation version, making both of them "original" versions, and the xbox version just happened to be more marketable on the west, so they ported it to western ps3 release? I mean, all of the EU that came afterwards was focused on replicant brother, but then again they would unvariably have to settle on one of them for those. Not that it matters a lot, Taro himself says that whatever he releases doesn't need to apply for every single timeline his stories have. Gestalt is just another one
Yeah I hard disagree with this guy on essentially everything. Kaine looked like an alien before, the over saturation was terrible and the music is better now
This was such a detailed comparison. It's great to see other original fans discussing the changes in Replicant, even if my opinion differs on a lot of elements. Here's hoping we get that papa Nier dlc so I have an excuse to play through a fifth time.
So a note about the scene order of the second half of the game: You can still have it so the Aerie is your final stopping point. For example if you do Junk heap 1 and then choose to talk to popola she sends you to seafront and then it leads into the first part of Facade. If you instead choose to do the Forest of Myth instead of talking to popola then when you do get to her she sends you to the Aerie. Anyway, this was a very fascinating video and was a nice quick reference of the main changes. I personally love both versions of the game so I couldn't choose to give one up over the other.
I am glad to see someone else thought Kaine's new face was worse. People blew up on me when I said she looked way too android or doll like in the remake. I know she looks like an alien in the og but there was just a certain charm to it and the way she animates that they couldn't replicate in the remake
I think Kaine's new face is worse, and I will never apologize for it. It's as if a teenager had their way with a doll and tried the best job they could to put the most perfect proportions on a face. And that destroys what Kaine is supposed to mean to me as a character. She's a character coming from a tragic backstory who wasn't blessed with a decent life, and nor would she be blessed by some perfect/symmetrical doll-like looking face. If Kaine is slightly unattractive, that is what makes the symbology of the character shine even more for me. I've never seen a game bask itself so honestly in stories so tragic where you go: this is so bad that I expect what happens next to be better. And then it turns out not to be better. And then you understand sometimes that is the tragedy of life; you are cursed with shitty life circumstances and it doesn't get better. And that's what made original Kaine so relatable to me.
yeah, but as someone who didn't play the OG, I always noticed that the facial features in automata were also super dull, especially when(spoilers) 9S screams "What do you know? You don't know anything about us!"
Yea i wasnt a huge fan cause alot of her emotions are definitely lost, in replicant she expressed more and looked more androgynous cause she has both genitals
I'm fine with the face itself. I'm not fine with how much less emotion they show. I think with a little more tweaking with the animations it could have at least been on par. As is, they are really lacking
They definitely at least changed word drops in one way. You can now get a few that are missable in different places (well mostly the Lost Shrine). No idea about drop rate tho. They didnt change their original positions either much. I had a few 30% ones by the time I was done too, but there are more which are just painful to grind for.
The weight system in replicant is so odd, the only difference in speed I felt was using the iron will, it's probably the only weapon with a noticeable speed change.
You can totally still get the Sacrifice keyword last in 1.22. Head to the Junk heap first, then go back to see Popola. You’ll get the Seafront quest then the Facade one so Sacrifice is last. That aside, this was a fantastic comparison. I do think the new faces are a lot better for some characters though, just definitely not for Kaine.
I think 1.22 is better in everyway, but I also hate the entirety of the ps3/xbox360 generation. Everything just has a piss filter. But whatever I favor the ps2 era with its 240p, don't litsen to my boomer ass.
One thing I'd like to say after having tinkered with audio modding (as you pointed out needless dynamics to the field theme) is that some songs that used to be dynamic no longer are (IE. Song of the Ancients - Fate) while others that used to be static tracks now have dynamic layers (IE. Dark Colossus Destroys All.) I've been working on a soundtrack mod that blends the best elements of both OSTs together and this has made it a pain; and 90% of the time these dynamic changes don't amount to almost anything in the actual execution of in-game music. I don't really know why they made changes like that but it was an interesting aspect I noticed many times.
@@mcbaws21 thank you both ! Currently still waiting on BNK editor to support changing loop points because doing it through a hex editor is so confusing and I can't figure it out. Once that update happens I'll definitely finish working on it
I agreed with basically everything here EXCEPT for the songs used in the comparisons. Personally, I liked that the vocals for Hill of the Radiant Wind only played when the sun was out as I got burnt out of the song when I first played NieR. And I didn't get as burnt out of Wretched Automatons as much as I did back in og NieR. The songs that I felt got really downgraded were definitely Dark Colossus Destroys All and Gods Bound by Rules, and these were the songs I loved the most out of the original OST. IDK, the lack of percussions and weird extensions really bugged me. But I think it might be something mostly people with a deep attachment to the game felt, or even cared about.
I absolutely love the changes to Shadowlord in the remake. Being my favorite theme from the original, the way it changes into a more rage and despair filled version after the death of Gestalt Yonah hits really hard.
I actually think proportions are off more in Rep1.22 … Kainé’s neck and Nier’s head size and waist line and unusually large biceps. Emil’s head changed to match automata.
The kissing subtext in the post-Emil sacrifice scene was intentional. Taro called it "The most romantic moment in the game.". Not at that point in the remake yet, but am sad it was lost.
Great vid, I agree with most of the points made, but some things I noticed/do not agree with (it seems like most of the problems are related to personal experience): - The music on the plains: ther vocals played for me fine. I would say, about 60 or 70% of the time I spent on the plains, the full song played, vocals and everything. - The weapon weights: It still works, but you will notice it less - until you do. For example, Iron Will is left in the dust because it swings so slow that you get hit a million times before you land anything, while Beastlord is usable, and 2Bs two hander from Automata is straight up swings like a one handed sword. - About the words: I got the best ones I needed near the midpoint of B, and almost all others near the start C, so it seems like the drop is random, and you got a bad roll.
There might be some slight desync on the lip flaps due to the cutscenes being at 60 because console has them capped at 30, but that's me flagrantly talking out my ass, could easily be wrong. Also as for Aguilar's direction, something tells me the director had Kyle McCarley's 9S performance too embedded into their mind when giving Zack his lines. Call it a hunch but it explains why the tone of voice seems so familiar
Yeah playing it on consoles, the lip fans still don't match at all. At least with the English dub. I was hoping they would redo the lip flaps for the English dub to match and have two different sets. Instead it's basically like most anime dubs. Just dubbing over the original and trying to match the lip flaps. But not matching at all
In the Devola Popola fight, Popola (on the stage) is dancing along with the OST, which is why it stops when pausing the game. Not sure why it restarts, though.
In my opinion, Replicant 1.22 is the gold standard for what a Remake should and should not do. It changes what deserves to be changed, but leaves the core experience the same, warts and all. On top of that, it adds new content, taking advantage of the fact its revisiting a game to correct old regrets of missing storylines, and putting in some extra new story to satisfy those returning for a second time. My only real complaint is that you don't get to choose between Gestalt and Replicant versions, making it less "complete" than it could be, but I can understand the decision to stick with the original iteration of the game. In a way, it serves as the exact opposite of what Demon's Souls Remake did, which misses the ball on pretty much every aspect of what a remake of that game should be.
Such a great review. I agree with most of what was said. Just wanted to point out though that the music stopping for the Devola and Popola fight in intentional since Popola is dancing along with the music. Also sidestepping and going faster as you keep running were in the og too, sidestepping was especially effective with the already broken Pheonix Lance since attacking after one would do a large sweeping attack that can clear entire rooms lmao Also I wouldn't recommend hard mode because it only turns everything into damage sponges, and I mean, they have 15x their original health in hard mode...
Yonah's Japanese voice in Replicant1.22 is absolutely atrocious compared to her original Japanese Replicant voice, she sounds like an old lady trying to sound young
I feel like this problem is because they used the same voice actress from 10 years ago But now this actress became older so now she can't act like a kid anymore
yeah thats the one thing that convinced me not to play in japanese in the beginning. started the game in english, sounds a little awkward. started the game in japanese and get full anime loli voice acting. fuck outta here
Honestly wish you could play as both as brother Nier and Father Nier. Like it would be nice to be able play as which ever protagonist is your favourite.
They probably could've for the remake, but they didn't. The original releases were console dependent, and it was part of the marketing in japan. In North America, and in Europe, we only got Gestalt.
Well, I now have almost all my questions about the differences between Gestalt & Replicant 1.22 answered - thanks for being so thourough. Subbed and belled!!
For the most part i agree with you when it comes to music and the character models. One other song that I dislike the change in the remake for is the village theme. The song in the remake doesnt have the same feel as the orignal, it doesn't have this aetherial sound as the original had. In terms of combat I will say that the remake is an improvement. I also feel that the gameplay is a lot worse in the original. While it's true the phoenix spear is an amazing weapon the trivializes the game and it's combat. It doesn't take away from the issues the original and ends up making my problems with the combat more apparent. While the combat in the original is defintetly playable it is by no means enjoyable or good at least in my opinion. The remake has problems I agree with the weight issue especially when I could use the dlc weapons and have no problem dash attacking everything in the remake with no drawbacks. The game is significantly easier but i feel that is also due to the lock on making the combat that much quicker. I agree that i miss the stinger it made using the spear so much better. One interesting this is that since we have an actual lock on now we no longer need to aim shots which takes away from the moment to moment gameplay the original had. While both put me on auto pilot. I got to autopilot in Replicant earlier than in the original. I think the dialogue changes between the original and the Replicant end up being a lot more interesting because replicant is more faithful than the original, but that doesn't change the fact that replicants lines lack the punch the original had. I agree it's probably due to direction the VAs had but Jamieson Price is also just an amazing VA so there may be some bias for me. While i understand wanting to reccomend the original, I feel the accessibility will be the biggest hurdle, I'm lucky i picked this up for $5 in a bargain bin way back when but others arent gonna be able to find the original in any easy capacity. I do wish we had the option to pick which Nier we could play as so that players can have the experience they wanted, but i also understand that Yoko Taro never wanted Papa to begin with and probably doesn't want papa Nier to be a frame of discussion anymore...which is impossible because you have an entire side of the world who has grown up with papa their entire lives. While i actually prefer Brother Nier both thematically and story wise. My fondness for Papa Nier is something that would never change and I'd do another full playthru of the remake if they allowed me to play as papa Nier. One final thing about Ending E. I feel the disconnect people will feel about the added ending will be entirely on whether the individual consumes all the media outside of the videogames. While i personally feel that it's a terrible thing to do and it really fucking sucks to keep doing this. It semi made sense why the original went the route of expanding the story thru other media. They were probably never gonna get another chance of telling these stories so putting them in some book is better than letting them rot. So while ending E has been around for quite a long time. The implementation of it is significantly different than in the novelization which meant even the most seasoned reader wouldn't have really expected some of the info in that ending. I also know that people have a huge connection to Ending D and i did as well but I've spent years with the knowledge of ending E so I've never felt like E invalidated ending D. In fact it doubles down on the fact that sure you brought back Nier but it's not gonna be the same one you spent all that time fighting with and all of humanity is still to be extinct. Sorry for the big wall of text, I just appreciated your care on discussing the issues the remake had and actually comparing them and wanted to have an actual response to your video. It was a great video and i would love to see more of your thoughts on Nier in the future!
I agree with this comment for the most part. I didn't think the character models were that bad, I actually enjoyed them over the originals. And about the soundtrack, I agree that it didn't really capture the same feeling, but it was good enough to still have a good experiencec, I would like if the did like the FF12 remaster and let you choose between the original or the new soundtracks. As for the rest of the points you bring up, I couldn't agree more with them.
This was my first video of yours. It got recommended to me today and how could I not watch another Nier related video. Not that there wouldn't have been hundrets before this one. I really loved this. I haven't had the chance to pick up the remake. Only played the original, and I'm glad to hear your words. Thanks a lot for this video. It means a lot to me.
The thing about replicant is that it’s a continuation of Gastalt, so the devs/writers can kinda get away with people looking and behaving differently lore wise.
18:59 I knew something was off with the replicant version when I heard it! I couldn't put my finger on it but I distinctly remembered Gestalt Nier being more explicitly bitter in this scene
While I have to agree that some changes (like beat for «Wretched Automatons» or some of Kaine's facial expressions) were in fact a step back, I strongly disagree with the notion that new version looks bad for being more "washed out". To me this seems like a nostalgia speaking and little else. Sure, there was much more saturation and contrast, but just like some old soundtrack parts it was almost annoying for being TOO in-your-face sometimes. Overall I think that both versions are deeply flawed (dragging the story for basically no reason on second and, especially, on third/fourth playthroughs while adding almost no meaningful new content, archaic amount of hollow backtracking, no feedback for completing side quests, some emotional beats feeling kinda alien and/or undercooked, etc.), but at it's core the game and, most importantly, it's story are great and unparalleled in many respects. Endings "D" and "E" are enough of a reason to tolerate all the hiccups along the way IMO 😊
They did not change Popola's "No one STOOOOOOPS!" line. They changed some words in her speech like "You cut down my sister like an animal" adding "goddam" before animal. Also in "You think I have the luxury to stop?" had the subject changed to you: "You think you have the luxury to stop?" But that shout. "No one STOOOOOOPS!!" Can't be replaced. Eden Riegel cooked with that one
I think wretched automatons sounds better with the more emphasis on the strings but at the same time the machinery charm is lost and idk how to feel about it
Now this was a great video to highlight the differences in both versions, most people would just say to either play the remake for more content or Gestalt for dad nier, I loved how you compared the visuals for more than just "looks newer", the point about the gloom I think they tried to reach a balance between the over use in Gestalt and under use but ended up just kinda putting it on the wrong places.
Weirdly you can do a pretty good "fix" of the artstyle by just reducing the brightness. It's a tiny change but it does alot of good to let the darker colours pop out more and it looks much more like the original game.
I can appreciate your sentiment towards the original release cuz I felt that way about the Shadow of The Colossus remaster/remake and how it handled it’s visuals. On the surface sure it was very “pretty”, but it completely neutered the facial tones of Wander from the original and very much changed the environmental characterization by playing with the original’s bloom lighting.
>wants every action game to just be DMC >says “difficulty in games just sucks” >thinks action games should just be about spectacle rather than actual depth and nuance >favorite game is Nier Holy shit, it all makes sense.
I think it’s because Nier has adventure to compliment the combat. If you’re going the DMC route and have nothing to offer but fight after fight than your gameplay better be as good and deep as DMC as it is the sole focus.
The combat in the remake weirdly makes you use more of the other mechanics. On normal I basically just used spears and lance. On hard, I used a lot of the magic just so I could use the downwards attack that kills enemies instantly. Now, all hard mode does is make enemies damage sponges and hit like trucks. Which normally I would find lazy. But these changes makes me use more that just spears and lance. Heck, it made me actually use magic wall
i also wish that they didnt make you replay the game so many times, but the only difference is the kaine scene after defeating the new mermaid boss. where defeating that boss the first time and the mailman intervenes Kaine rips up the letter from louise, but the 2nd time fighting her nier is leveled up more which leads to a different ending of the fight and scene with Kaine where she is shown to have sympathy for louise. I am not sure if the inclusion of the new boss fight specifically made them decide to not start ending c right at the shadowlord's castle so the different Louise fight could be seen
Would have been great if square would sell original nier separately along side the remake. Maybe having an added mode for them for brother and father Nier. I mean I definitely do prefer brother nier. Some of the sexual tension between characters feel less weird with brother nier just from the age difference. The kiss from Nier and Kaine, Emil hinting that he has a crush on Nier and when Emil said that Nier looks "cool" does have some more impact with brother Nier than father Nier personally
If nitpicking can fill a nearly 1 hour compilation video then he must have some points! Or should we kiss the a$$es of videogame companies just to get remakes they didn’t even put 30% of the effort form the original Titel in a Remake? I think no we shouldn’t and I feel like it’s now industry standard that most videogame remakes are getting pooped out like they just wanted make cash as fast as possible instead of trying to understand what the original game made people having fun while playing it and getting fascinated about.. They just want to make the wrapping but not the piece of art that was wrapped in it! If you’re not understanding what I mean play some original Titels you know and then play any modern remake of these titles.. you will feel so hollow after you finished the first game
@@ultraspinalki11 didn't think to check that. The psn website doesn't list ps3 games anymore, but from forums, it seems like you can't buy nier digital on psn.
@@ultraspinalki11 That's the point, unfortunately. The physical release of Nier can reach crazy prices because it was the only way to play it back on ps3/Xbox360.
@@ultraspinalki11 Sadly, you can’t get digital versions of the original Nier and finding physical copies can get expensive. I say find a place where you might find it on bargain bin prices, or just pay $30 bucks or more if you’re willing to spend that much on used copies.
I'm glad I picked up my copy of the original Nier, and it was fun, but I greatly prefer the remaster, no I'm not calling it a remake. Slapping on roughly 40 minutes to 2 hours of new content doesnt reinvent the game. One is for accessibility and two cause they fixed the mostly broken combat.
I don't want to be that guy as I have been a nier fan since the beginning... But the remake is just better in all regards. music is better, new dub is better, graphics are so much better. It's fine to prefer something due to familiarity, but the remake is objectively better across the board. It just is
@@ChadKakashi I agree I haven't played the games myself but I do prefer the original much more it just comes down to preference I mean at the end of the day they are the same game with small differences
Having never played Nier, but absolutely loving all of the ost in Yoko Taro games. Some of the new songs are just so, so underwhelming in comparison...
I feel like alot of this comes down to nostalgia, i finished the remake and looking and gestalt makes me feel ill, the graphics dont really hold up and kaine looks like an alien
same to my the original xbox360/PS3 ver just look like shit to my and original kaine really really look fucking weird in the original while in the remake she look a lot nicer remind me of 2B/A2 anime like face
Its a trippy watching the side by side comparisons and seeing that the remake clearly looks better and have cvit say its worst. Visuais are trully subjective
I was playing this game on steam on family sharing. Didn't expected anything out of it first few missions were boring but it got omg it's so good after 10 hours then after a few more hours the guy removed me from sharing and now I can't finish it 😢😢
When you mentioned for the remake that Loyal Cerberus was the last verse I was confused as my recent stream I did I got it before p-33 and forest of myth. That said I do like you can go in any order and is not restricted to a narrow path
NieR is also my favorite game but I’ve never played the original I’ve only ever played the remake and automata So it turns out you can buy the original on the Xbox store So I’m about to spend 20 bucks I guess I feel like I’m gonna prefer brother NieR though because the age difference with father NieR weirds me out Because she’s like 17-20 and he’s like 45 vs brother NieR where they’re a lot closer in age so it doesnt feel weird
Thanks for making this. I've been wondering if I should get this game and I think this is the only review I've seen from someone who is genuinely a big enough fan of NieR Gestalt to critically and concisely go through Replicant's merits and demerits as a remake.
I'm just over here wondering why in the hell I'm supposed to believe a teenage femboy was a leading scientist in the gestalt project. Dad nier made sense as the shadow lord at least.
@@OlDirtyBaron Nier never leaded anything. Project Gestalt started 30 or so years before he was even born. While they were distributing Grimoire Noir to the public to experiment on them, they found a stable Gestalt, which was Nier. They asked him to corroborate in exchange for helping his sister. "Corroborate" not as in become scientist with us, no, as in become an experiment subject. That's how they found that using his Maso had the capability to stabilize other Gestalts. They kept lying to him saying Yonah can be saved and will be throughout the whole thing. They knew she was byond help, but used him for the sake of humanity. When Every human became a gestalt, the observers Devola and Popola and the rest of the androids were tasked to work with him to keep the other Gestalts stable and oversee the project as a whole. The androids regularly extracted his Maso for that purpose.
@OlDirtyBaron Nier never had anything to do with the science behind the project, he was just the only successful subject. Its pretty clear if you play the game 😂 Young Nier makes the shadow lord even more of a tragic figure cuz they tricket this innocent kid into helping them by promising to save his little sister.
FYI in the DLC in 1.22 isn't father Nier. It's still the brother. He's dreaming. He's just older. Father Nier is the same age and still Nier just rewritten as a father. But it is NOT the father in the DLC.
Sorry but no matter your nostalgia, papa nier makes less sense the more you dig on the story, ofc everything make more sense with the brother, specially the shadowlord
You may already know this but for those how don't *The music stops when the game pauses* at [31:38] because one of the sisters is *dancing along to the music.* It's a cool detail, I recommend watching the whole thing somewhere or if you have time on route C.
Honestly the hills of radiant winds theme change in the remake really hurts because the vocal version of the remake track is even better than the original and you barely get to fucking hear it
Quick technical feedback: Not sure if the noise gate you’re using is set too slow in terms of attack times or if you’re using some heavy noise reduction plugins, but it’s a little bit too aggressive - makes it sound like you’re running out of breath on every second word during quieter parts of the audio. Great video as always though, love to see new content from you. Keep up the good work.
i just finished replicant and even though the game and writing was great on paper, i didn’t enjoy it as much as i felt i should have. i completely agree with the kaine face issue, and that it should have been left as-is. she’s not the type of character to have a perfect face. i also agree that the voice acting was better originally, but i played the game in japanese anyways so it doesn’t matter that much to me. anyways, i can completely understand how the game could have had a huge impact with each of its reveals, first that shades are the real humans and second the ending D which leads to you deleting your save file. both of these were ruined due to me playing automata first. i already knew about project gestalt, so it was easy for me to guess how the story would turn out, and i completely saw the “shades arent bad” thing coming. also with the save file deletion, since i already knew that it would happen and since i already did it in automata, it meant less to me since it wasn’t as shocking, subversive or meta as it would have been to an original player. (granted, other games like undertale also caused me to be more cynical about this too) anyways i really wanted to love this game but i cant bring myself to do kore than just say i liked it. some things still got me, such as the reveal in shadowlords castle that those egg looking things are children. it actually made me feel sick, and i loved how that made me feel. all in all if i could change one thing about this remake, i would fix all the models to be more accurate to the originals, and i would retain the original animations / improve animations for new scenes. i feel like most animation in the remake is a downgrade. thanks for the vid, you earned a sub.
Great video bro. I appreciate the fact you made this because I was curious about the differences between Gestalt and Replicant since I just finished Replicant. (Loved every second of it honestly!) I would always wonder when will NieR basically evolve into Papa NieR because I thought there would be a different time skip to save Kainé since I did the DLC before completing Route B and just assumed haha. So I'm glad to know that they are two separate counterparts, and I'll have check out Gestalt one day.
When you side comparison Kaine with that Village That newer one Honestly makes her look more humerus to look at because for how it just doesn't work Definitely the older one is better
I'm kind of surprised you didn't bring up how they changed Emil sacrifice in the remake. Honestly that was the one song I really didn't like the new version of it compared to the original. I just found the singer more grating and more whiny compared to the original version if that makes sense? I might be in the minority on this but other than that I still loved the new soundtrack especially shadowlord and Kaine's theme. great video btw love your comparisons and retrospectives
The new metal sounds in Wretched Automatons aren’t bad, per say, but they go almost unnoticed for the entire track except the beginning. Even at the beginning, they don’t have that same power and rhythm the original had. Not enough smaller metal sounds, I believe.
I finally got Ending E after one hell of a grind to upgrade every weapon (which is pointless, don't do that) so I could finally watch this video without having to look out for spoilers :)
Okay I absolutely love the remake, and I do think that it looks visually gorgeous but good god I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought Yonah's face looked absolutely horrid in ending A. Like I tried rationalizing it, maybe it was like a BOTW thing where it was a "real smile" which is why it didn't look that good, but yeah no it looks awful
I like Kaine's new face, not because of the expressions. but i think having her have a "prettier" face makes for a good contrast for her foul mouth for newer players to witness
I think that a lot of the nitpicks here are just based on preference. Like for example when you're going over how you prefer some of Kaine's lines over others, in the examples you gave i just preferred all of the 1.22 lines. As for the music a big problem i had was not being able to hear lines over the music in the og. I STILL have that problem in 1.22 but its way less bad, which is why i figue they reduced the volume of sound effects across the board in the songs
I disagree a lot on the visuals part, they were good. Also I don't think Kaine being shocked by being called a monster by a person from Arie in the old version is off because those people called her a monster a lot anyway. But for some reason the new visuals fit better with the Japanese voices compared to the old visuals which fit better with English voices considering how in most cases English dub actors sound like they are tryhards compared to Japanese voices who feel more natural for me.
Remaster is great, but I'll choose original anytime. I think I'll even buy an Xbox so I can play it again. New look and dub is just so much worse for me.
Absolutely agree on Kaine's face. It's down to a combination of eyebrow definition, face length and bang distance from the eyes. New Kaine has more crammed Asian features while old Kaine looks more eastern European. Also now that we're done remaking games that are already good, it's time for Drakengard fans to eat dagnabbit. I WANT DG3 WITH ACTUALLY GOOD COMBAT
I beat NieR Gestalt a while back, but I recently got Replicant remake, so I'm gonna have to replay it again. Not sure whether I wanna try to get ending E in Drakengard first, since it's only really tangentially related.
Lmao, ok I know this video came out two years ago but seeing a guy being upset with the improvement of the game is hilarious. being nostalgically blinded is wild..
Strange, I got Emil destroying the Aerie as the last key, maybe it was a bug, or picking the wrong choice? I know it wasn't my last choice on all routes
I do think in complete honesty you have to have complete nostalgia goggles to think 1.22 does not replace the original. The graphics, the voice acting, the sound design, the models, all of it is better. The faces don’t always look great but they look infinitely better than Gestalt in most instances. And the combat? The original is hard to play nowadays. 1.22 isn’t perfect combat but a lot more usable
Cvit @ I agree 💯 with you man, gestalt is still my favorite, remake is decent but it does fail in emoting emotional scenes, not sure how i feel about the doll look of the characters still unsure about it, the repeat playthroughs are are a slog to play through and getting all 33 weapons wen i think there were 20 in the gestalt i cant remember actually iknow it was less and way easier, this is why i think automata handles its multi playthrough thing better it doesn't feel as much of a chore as it does in the remake, oh one thing that bothered me is that they changed the sound of the shades specifically kalil, during her losing her mother, it doesnt sound as heart breaking to someone who just heard her mother get slashed up and die, i do think they improved the kings anger abit so good on the voice actor there, the new song fleeting words is a beautiful heartbreaking song and i absolutely love it, unfortunately for combat it just isnt changed enough to feel relevant, like the fact that u still.. have to lose your evade and guard if you want to have all four verses equipped that always bothered me, the combat is fast but doesnt feel as nice and fluid as automata and there's way more moves in automata as well, i like nier its till my fav however its nowhere near as good as automata is for me, nier gestalt and replicant are storys that focus on the games characters, while automata focuses on humanity as whole the characters are there and relevant to the plot but thats not the message the game is trying to go for. All and all play automata then if u want to experience the old play replicant, just know its alittle behind the times with very little changes they do add.
Watching the comparison after playing the remake, I do agree that Kaine looks more emotionless in more scenes. It's like her eyes don't move.
But that problem is also in the original. Kaine ALWAYS looks like she just killed someone's sister in the original. It's like her eyes never move in both.
Something that you didn't mention that I feel is important is that replicants brother nier was the original way the game was intended to be experienced. So saying that dad nier was the "original" is kinda invalid. He was an afterthought for the western release because they thought the west wouldnt lime a child protag. He was Not the original.
This is maybe late comment, the only way to play the original brother nier on the ps3 version is an emulation. I’ve watch a recent emulation playthrough of the game. It is the same as papa nier with Kaine scenes are the same. The complain is that the remake is that they took away kaine’s facial expressions. Also how square most didn’t save their original soundtracks.
Though the difference in the ps3 is that brother neir’s young model just terrible how he puts his hair up like he has spiky hair like cloud. Also older brother nier model in so many scenes look like he is more pissed off in every cutscenes to show his hatred for shades and everything that has happened.
I kinda think there is a missing link bc all versions of the game should be considered nier replicant for the ps3.
So,in automata when you get iron pipe and the history say "youre the best father in the world" i think papa is original just like brother is original too,Are just two points of view from the same world!
@@kijengam3r614 more like when automata was released in English, there was no way to play with brother neir in the west. So when they localized it. They changed it.
@@Ms.Meggzz780 oh,i think you are right!
Wasnt the original idea to have gestalt be the xbox version and then replicant be the playstation version, making both of them "original" versions, and the xbox version just happened to be more marketable on the west, so they ported it to western ps3 release?
I mean, all of the EU that came afterwards was focused on replicant brother, but then again they would unvariably have to settle on one of them for those. Not that it matters a lot, Taro himself says that whatever he releases doesn't need to apply for every single timeline his stories have. Gestalt is just another one
Me listening to the vid: "Wow, they really improved it!"
Cvit 5 seconds later: "It's a shame they changed it for the worst"
me: "WAIT WHAT?"
Hahahaha I feel that is just everyone reviewing something that got remade
Yeah I hard disagree with this guy on essentially everything. Kaine looked like an alien before, the over saturation was terrible and the music is better now
Tbh the oye thing i miss about Gestalt is the first BOSS them chants, it's the only thing i liked more in The of that the remaster@@ultrarising2983
This was such a detailed comparison. It's great to see other original fans discussing the changes in Replicant, even if my opinion differs on a lot of elements.
Here's hoping we get that papa Nier dlc so I have an excuse to play through a fifth time.
So a note about the scene order of the second half of the game: You can still have it so the Aerie is your final stopping point. For example if you do Junk heap 1 and then choose to talk to popola she sends you to seafront and then it leads into the first part of Facade. If you instead choose to do the Forest of Myth instead of talking to popola then when you do get to her she sends you to the Aerie.
Anyway, this was a very fascinating video and was a nice quick reference of the main changes. I personally love both versions of the game so I couldn't choose to give one up over the other.
I am glad to see someone else thought Kaine's new face was worse. People blew up on me when I said she looked way too android or doll like in the remake. I know she looks like an alien in the og but there was just a certain charm to it and the way she animates that they couldn't replicate in the remake
She looks way more "anime" in replicant I agree. She still looked significantly more "human" in the OG
I think Kaine's new face is worse, and I will never apologize for it.
It's as if a teenager had their way with a doll and tried the best job they could to put the most perfect proportions on a face.
And that destroys what Kaine is supposed to mean to me as a character. She's a character coming from a tragic backstory who wasn't blessed with a decent life, and nor would she be blessed by some perfect/symmetrical doll-like looking face.
If Kaine is slightly unattractive, that is what makes the symbology of the character shine even more for me.
I've never seen a game bask itself so honestly in stories so tragic where you go: this is so bad that I expect what happens next to be better. And then it turns out not to be better. And then you understand sometimes that is the tragedy of life; you are cursed with shitty life circumstances and it doesn't get better. And that's what made original Kaine so relatable to me.
yeah, but as someone who didn't play the OG, I always noticed that the facial features in automata were also super dull, especially when(spoilers)
9S screams "What do you know? You don't know anything about us!"
Yea i wasnt a huge fan cause alot of her emotions are definitely lost, in replicant she expressed more and looked more androgynous cause she has both genitals
I'm fine with the face itself. I'm not fine with how much less emotion they show. I think with a little more tweaking with the animations it could have at least been on par. As is, they are really lacking
If you don't want to grind for words, use the item drop words as soon as you get them, never had to grind for anything till the diary
Also difficulty effects drop rate, just like the original
They definitely at least changed word drops in one way. You can now get a few that are missable in different places (well mostly the Lost Shrine). No idea about drop rate tho. They didnt change their original positions either much.
I had a few 30% ones by the time I was done too, but there are more which are just painful to grind for.
@@Amitlu pretty much just the lesser versions are missable, so it's just a collection thing. But it be nice if they were available in the diary
At least the Fortune teller sidequest lets you collect a lot of the ones from Part 1. If only it worked on those Barren temple words.
The weight system in replicant is so odd, the only difference in speed I felt was using the iron will, it's probably the only weapon with a noticeable speed change.
You can totally still get the Sacrifice keyword last in 1.22. Head to the Junk heap first, then go back to see Popola. You’ll get the Seafront quest then the Facade one so Sacrifice is last.
That aside, this was a fantastic comparison. I do think the new faces are a lot better for some characters though, just definitely not for Kaine.
I think you can 100% tell that Kaine almost kisses Nier in the remake, it read that way easily to me and I hadn’t played the original at the time
I think 1.22 is better in everyway, but I also hate the entirety of the ps3/xbox360 generation. Everything just has a piss filter. But whatever I favor the ps2 era with its 240p, don't litsen to my boomer ass.
One thing I'd like to say after having tinkered with audio modding (as you pointed out needless dynamics to the field theme) is that some songs that used to be dynamic no longer are (IE. Song of the Ancients - Fate) while others that used to be static tracks now have dynamic layers (IE. Dark Colossus Destroys All.)
I've been working on a soundtrack mod that blends the best elements of both OSTs together and this has made it a pain; and 90% of the time these dynamic changes don't amount to almost anything in the actual execution of in-game music. I don't really know why they made changes like that but it was an interesting aspect I noticed many times.
Ungodly based of you to make that mod
this mod sounds great and i would get it if you finish it
@@mcbaws21 thank you both ! Currently still waiting on BNK editor to support changing loop points because doing it through a hex editor is so confusing and I can't figure it out. Once that update happens I'll definitely finish working on it
I agreed with basically everything here EXCEPT for the songs used in the comparisons. Personally, I liked that the vocals for Hill of the Radiant Wind only played when the sun was out as I got burnt out of the song when I first played NieR. And I didn't get as burnt out of Wretched Automatons as much as I did back in og NieR.
The songs that I felt got really downgraded were definitely Dark Colossus Destroys All and Gods Bound by Rules, and these were the songs I loved the most out of the original OST. IDK, the lack of percussions and weird extensions really bugged me. But I think it might be something mostly people with a deep attachment to the game felt, or even cared about.
I dont mind the new Colossus. But I agree with Gods Bound By Rules being changed too much.. (and the Song of the Ancients - Fate)
I absolutely love the changes to Shadowlord in the remake. Being my favorite theme from the original, the way it changes into a more rage and despair filled version after the death of Gestalt Yonah hits really hard.
I actually think proportions are off more in Rep1.22
… Kainé’s neck and Nier’s head size and waist line and unusually large biceps. Emil’s head changed to match automata.
I agree 100% but..
big biceps hot
The kissing subtext in the post-Emil sacrifice scene was intentional. Taro called it "The most romantic moment in the game.". Not at that point in the remake yet, but am sad it was lost.
Great vid, I agree with most of the points made, but some things I noticed/do not agree with (it seems like most of the problems are related to personal experience):
- The music on the plains: ther vocals played for me fine. I would say, about 60 or 70% of the time I spent on the plains, the full song played, vocals and everything.
- The weapon weights: It still works, but you will notice it less - until you do. For example, Iron Will is left in the dust because it swings so slow that you get hit a million times before you land anything, while Beastlord is usable, and 2Bs two hander from Automata is straight up swings like a one handed sword.
- About the words: I got the best ones I needed near the midpoint of B, and almost all others near the start C, so it seems like the drop is random, and you got a bad roll.
There might be some slight desync on the lip flaps due to the cutscenes being at 60 because console has them capped at 30, but that's me flagrantly talking out my ass, could easily be wrong. Also as for Aguilar's direction, something tells me the director had Kyle McCarley's 9S performance too embedded into their mind when giving Zack his lines. Call it a hunch but it explains why the tone of voice seems so familiar
Yeah playing it on consoles, the lip fans still don't match at all. At least with the English dub. I was hoping they would redo the lip flaps for the English dub to match and have two different sets. Instead it's basically like most anime dubs. Just dubbing over the original and trying to match the lip flaps. But not matching at all
Can't wait to see the season 3 of GX just found your channel a couple days ago and have binged a lot of your videos
I discovered his videos 2 years ago, and This man deserves more subs
Ha ha what a funny joke man (it’s probably not going to happen)
In the Devola Popola fight, Popola (on the stage) is dancing along with the OST, which is why it stops when pausing the game. Not sure why it restarts, though.
In my opinion, Replicant 1.22 is the gold standard for what a Remake should and should not do. It changes what deserves to be changed, but leaves the core experience the same, warts and all. On top of that, it adds new content, taking advantage of the fact its revisiting a game to correct old regrets of missing storylines, and putting in some extra new story to satisfy those returning for a second time. My only real complaint is that you don't get to choose between Gestalt and Replicant versions, making it less "complete" than it could be, but I can understand the decision to stick with the original iteration of the game.
In a way, it serves as the exact opposite of what Demon's Souls Remake did, which misses the ball on pretty much every aspect of what a remake of that game should be.
Such a great review. I agree with most of what was said.
Just wanted to point out though that the music stopping for the Devola and Popola fight in intentional since Popola is dancing along with the music.
Also sidestepping and going faster as you keep running were in the og too, sidestepping was especially effective with the already broken Pheonix Lance since attacking after one would do a large sweeping attack that can clear entire rooms lmao
Also I wouldn't recommend hard mode because it only turns everything into damage sponges, and I mean, they have 15x their original health in hard mode...
Yonah's Japanese voice in Replicant1.22 is absolutely atrocious compared to her original Japanese Replicant voice, she sounds like an old lady trying to sound young
I feel like this problem is because they used the same voice actress from 10 years ago
But now this actress became older so now she can't act like a kid anymore
@@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman
They rerecorded all the lines even the old ones
So she would still sound different 10 years later
yeah thats the one thing that convinced me not to play in japanese in the beginning. started the game in english, sounds a little awkward. started the game in japanese and get full anime loli voice acting. fuck outta here
Honestly wish you could play as both as brother Nier and Father Nier. Like it would be nice to be able play as which ever protagonist is your favourite.
They probably could've for the remake, but they didn't. The original releases were console dependent, and it was part of the marketing in japan. In North America, and in Europe, we only got Gestalt.
Well, I now have almost all my questions about the differences between Gestalt & Replicant 1.22 answered - thanks for being so thourough.
Subbed and belled!!
For the most part i agree with you when it comes to music and the character models.
One other song that I dislike the change in the remake for is the village theme. The song in the remake doesnt have the same feel as the orignal, it doesn't have this aetherial sound as the original had.
In terms of combat I will say that the remake is an improvement. I also feel that the gameplay is a lot worse in the original. While it's true the phoenix spear is an amazing weapon the trivializes the game and it's combat. It doesn't take away from the issues the original and ends up making my problems with the combat more apparent. While the combat in the original is defintetly playable it is by no means enjoyable or good at least in my opinion. The remake has problems I agree with the weight issue especially when I could use the dlc weapons and have no problem dash attacking everything in the remake with no drawbacks. The game is significantly easier but i feel that is also due to the lock on making the combat that much quicker. I agree that i miss the stinger it made using the spear so much better.
One interesting this is that since we have an actual lock on now we no longer need to aim shots which takes away from the moment to moment gameplay the original had. While both put me on auto pilot. I got to autopilot in Replicant earlier than in the original.
I think the dialogue changes between the original and the Replicant end up being a lot more interesting because replicant is more faithful than the original, but that doesn't change the fact that replicants lines lack the punch the original had. I agree it's probably due to direction the VAs had but Jamieson Price is also just an amazing VA so there may be some bias for me.
While i understand wanting to reccomend the original, I feel the accessibility will be the biggest hurdle, I'm lucky i picked this up for $5 in a bargain bin way back when but others arent gonna be able to find the original in any easy capacity. I do wish we had the option to pick which Nier we could play as so that players can have the experience they wanted, but i also understand that Yoko Taro never wanted Papa to begin with and probably doesn't want papa Nier to be a frame of discussion anymore...which is impossible because you have an entire side of the world who has grown up with papa their entire lives. While i actually prefer Brother Nier both thematically and story wise. My fondness for Papa Nier is something that would never change and I'd do another full playthru of the remake if they allowed me to play as papa Nier.
One final thing about Ending E. I feel the disconnect people will feel about the added ending will be entirely on whether the individual consumes all the media outside of the videogames. While i personally feel that it's a terrible thing to do and it really fucking sucks to keep doing this. It semi made sense why the original went the route of expanding the story thru other media. They were probably never gonna get another chance of telling these stories so putting them in some book is better than letting them rot. So while ending E has been around for quite a long time. The implementation of it is significantly different than in the novelization which meant even the most seasoned reader wouldn't have really expected some of the info in that ending. I also know that people have a huge connection to Ending D and i did as well but I've spent years with the knowledge of ending E so I've never felt like E invalidated ending D. In fact it doubles down on the fact that sure you brought back Nier but it's not gonna be the same one you spent all that time fighting with and all of humanity is still to be extinct.
Sorry for the big wall of text, I just appreciated your care on discussing the issues the remake had and actually comparing them and wanted to have an actual response to your video.
It was a great video and i would love to see more of your thoughts on Nier in the future!
I agree with this comment for the most part. I didn't think the character models were that bad, I actually enjoyed them over the originals. And about the soundtrack, I agree that it didn't really capture the same feeling, but it was good enough to still have a good experiencec, I would like if the did like the FF12 remaster and let you choose between the original or the new soundtracks. As for the rest of the points you bring up, I couldn't agree more with them.
That ADHD rolling comment at 42:45 had me clocked. I almost never just ran through all 62 hrs of my playtime.
This was my first video of yours. It got recommended to me today and how could I not watch another Nier related video. Not that there wouldn't have been hundrets before this one.
I really loved this. I haven't had the chance to pick up the remake. Only played the original, and I'm glad to hear your words.
Thanks a lot for this video. It means a lot to me.
The thing about replicant is that it’s a continuation of Gastalt, so the devs/writers can kinda get away with people looking and behaving differently lore wise.
18:59 I knew something was off with the replicant version when I heard it! I couldn't put my finger on it but I distinctly remembered Gestalt Nier being more explicitly bitter in this scene
While I have to agree that some changes (like beat for «Wretched Automatons» or some of Kaine's facial expressions) were in fact a step back, I strongly disagree with the notion that new version looks bad for being more "washed out".
To me this seems like a nostalgia speaking and little else. Sure, there was much more saturation and contrast, but just like some old soundtrack parts it was almost annoying for being TOO in-your-face sometimes.
Overall I think that both versions are deeply flawed (dragging the story for basically no reason on second and, especially, on third/fourth playthroughs while adding almost no meaningful new content, archaic amount of hollow backtracking, no feedback for completing side quests, some emotional beats feeling kinda alien and/or undercooked, etc.), but at it's core the game and, most importantly, it's story are great and unparalleled in many respects. Endings "D" and "E" are enough of a reason to tolerate all the hiccups along the way IMO 😊
They did not change Popola's "No one STOOOOOOPS!" line.
They changed some words in her speech like "You cut down my sister like an animal" adding "goddam" before animal. Also in "You think I have the luxury to stop?" had the subject changed to you: "You think you have the luxury to stop?"
But that shout. "No one STOOOOOOPS!!" Can't be replaced. Eden Riegel cooked with that one
Remake fixed a lot of the firsts problems but made new ones
I think wretched automatons sounds better with the more emphasis on the strings but at the same time the machinery charm is lost and idk how to feel about it
21:08 Most likely because Weiss is a half book, half machine hybrid
The Shadowlord keys still depends on the player's choice. My last key was the Robot one. Probably got patched?
Now this was a great video to highlight the differences in both versions, most people would just say to either play the remake for more content or Gestalt for dad nier, I loved how you compared the visuals for more than just "looks newer", the point about the gloom I think they tried to reach a balance between the over use in Gestalt and under use but ended up just kinda putting it on the wrong places.
Weirdly you can do a pretty good "fix" of the artstyle by just reducing the brightness. It's a tiny change but it does alot of good to let the darker colours pop out more and it looks much more like the original game.
I can appreciate your sentiment towards the original release cuz I felt that way about the Shadow of The Colossus remaster/remake and how it handled it’s visuals. On the surface sure it was very “pretty”, but it completely neutered the facial tones of Wander from the original and very much changed the environmental characterization by playing with the original’s bloom lighting.
>wants every action game to just be DMC
>says “difficulty in games just sucks”
>thinks action games should just be about spectacle rather than actual depth and nuance
>favorite game is Nier
Holy shit, it all makes sense.
I think it’s because Nier has adventure to compliment the combat. If you’re going the DMC route and have nothing to offer but fight after fight than your gameplay better be as good and deep as DMC as it is the sole focus.
The very light spears are used to move faster with animation cancels
The combat in the remake weirdly makes you use more of the other mechanics. On normal I basically just used spears and lance.
On hard, I used a lot of the magic just so I could use the downwards attack that kills enemies instantly. Now, all hard mode does is make enemies damage sponges and hit like trucks. Which normally I would find lazy. But these changes makes me use more that just spears and lance. Heck, it made me actually use magic wall
Rip Mr.Miura
Fly high 🕊
i also wish that they didnt make you replay the game so many times, but the only difference is the kaine scene after defeating the new mermaid boss. where defeating that boss the first time and the mailman intervenes Kaine rips up the letter from louise, but the 2nd time fighting her nier is leveled up more which leads to a different ending of the fight and scene with Kaine where she is shown to have sympathy for louise. I am not sure if the inclusion of the new boss fight specifically made them decide to not start ending c right at the shadowlord's castle so the different Louise fight could be seen
Would have been great if square would sell original nier separately along side the remake. Maybe having an added mode for them for brother and father Nier. I mean I definitely do prefer brother nier. Some of the sexual tension between characters feel less weird with brother nier just from the age difference.
The kiss from Nier and Kaine, Emil hinting that he has a crush on Nier and when Emil said that Nier looks "cool" does have some more impact with brother Nier than father Nier personally
You are nitpicking half of the video
If nitpicking can fill a nearly 1 hour compilation video then he must have some points! Or should we kiss the a$$es of videogame companies just to get remakes they didn’t even put 30% of the effort form the original Titel in a Remake? I think no we shouldn’t and I feel like it’s now industry standard that most videogame remakes are getting pooped out like they just wanted make cash as fast as possible instead of trying to understand what the original game made people having fun while playing it and getting fascinated about.. They just want to make the wrapping but not the piece of art that was wrapped in it! If you’re not understanding what I mean play some original Titels you know and then play any modern remake of these titles.. you will feel so hollow after you finished the first game
Ok, now I want to re hook up my old ps3 and hunt down a ps3 copy of the original nier and play that after watching this.
Is it not available on the PS3 digital store? If so, damn it.
@@ultraspinalki11 didn't think to check that. The psn website doesn't list ps3 games anymore, but from forums, it seems like you can't buy nier digital on psn.
@@ultraspinalki11 That's the point, unfortunately. The physical release of Nier can reach crazy prices because it was the only way to play it back on ps3/Xbox360.
@@ultraspinalki11 Sadly, you can’t get digital versions of the original Nier and finding physical copies can get expensive. I say find a place where you might find it on bargain bin prices, or just pay $30 bucks or more if you’re willing to spend that much on used copies.
I'm glad I picked up my copy of the original Nier, and it was fun, but I greatly prefer the remaster, no I'm not calling it a remake. Slapping on roughly 40 minutes to 2 hours of new content doesnt reinvent the game. One is for accessibility and two cause they fixed the mostly broken combat.
I don't want to be that guy as I have been a nier fan since the beginning... But the remake is just better in all regards. music is better, new dub is better, graphics are so much better. It's fine to prefer something due to familiarity, but the remake is objectively better across the board. It just is
I never played anything NieR. I just watched a side by side comparison and I think the original looks better.
@@ChadKakashi I agree I haven't played the games myself but I do prefer the original much more it just comes down to preference I mean at the end of the day they are the same game with small differences
>>>>dub
@@ChadKakashigo play them bruh. You’re missing out
Having never played Nier, but absolutely loving all of the ost in Yoko Taro games. Some of the new songs are just so, so underwhelming in comparison...
I feel like alot of this comes down to nostalgia, i finished the remake and looking and gestalt makes me feel ill, the graphics dont really hold up and kaine looks like an alien
same to my the original xbox360/PS3 ver just look like shit to my and original kaine really really look fucking weird in the original while in the remake she look a lot nicer remind me of 2B/A2 anime like face
Its a trippy watching the side by side comparisons and seeing that the remake clearly looks better and have cvit say its worst. Visuais are trully subjective
As a huge DMC fan, which/what game would you recommend? I’ve had trepidation about playing them because I’m not sure if they’re up my alley
they are no where near as deep as DMC, story is their focus. If you only want to play 1 and have something closer to DMC then go RepliCant 1.22
i would say play automata for somthing closer to dmc
I'm glad that Nier has a remake but the remake I want is Gestalt (Papa Nier), so I'm hoping in future we get a remake of Gestalt.
I ordered it on PS3 when I found out there would be no papa Nier
No
Favorite game ever…………….what happened to Devil May Cry?
Dmc is top 5 but this is number 1
Since both games are also in my top 5, I’ll allow it.
NieR’s story is better than any of the DMCs and I’m saying that as a huge fan of DMC5
I was playing this game on steam on family sharing.
Didn't expected anything out of it first few missions were boring but it got omg it's so good after 10 hours then after a few more hours the guy removed me from sharing and now I can't finish it 😢😢
Preliminary statement that Papa Nier is the best Nier.
I'm sorry I can't watch the video yet but as soon as I get nier I'm coming straight back to this video
When you mentioned for the remake that Loyal Cerberus was the last verse I was confused as my recent stream I did I got it before p-33 and forest of myth. That said I do like you can go in any order and is not restricted to a narrow path
NieR is also my favorite game but I’ve never played the original I’ve only ever played the remake and automata
So it turns out you can buy the original on the Xbox store
So I’m about to spend 20 bucks I guess
I feel like I’m gonna prefer brother NieR though because the age difference with father NieR weirds me out
Because she’s like 17-20 and he’s like 45 vs brother NieR where they’re a lot closer in age so it doesnt feel weird
Thanks for making this. I've been wondering if I should get this game and I think this is the only review I've seen from someone who is genuinely a big enough fan of NieR Gestalt to critically and concisely go through Replicant's merits and demerits as a remake.
Still think daddy NieR's motivation makes more sense with the narrative
Not really, he lost all his parents.
He became his sisters dad due to their parents being dead.
He had no one else, and was living in hell.
No take your Nostalgia glasses
I'm just over here wondering why in the hell I'm supposed to believe a teenage femboy was a leading scientist in the gestalt project. Dad nier made sense as the shadow lord at least.
@@OlDirtyBaron Nier never leaded anything. Project Gestalt started 30 or so years before he was even born. While they were distributing Grimoire Noir to the public to experiment on them, they found a stable Gestalt, which was Nier. They asked him to corroborate in exchange for helping his sister. "Corroborate" not as in become scientist with us, no, as in become an experiment subject. That's how they found that using his Maso had the capability to stabilize other Gestalts.
They kept lying to him saying Yonah can be saved and will be throughout the whole thing. They knew she was byond help, but used him for the sake of humanity.
When Every human became a gestalt, the observers Devola and Popola and the rest of the androids were tasked to work with him to keep the other Gestalts stable and oversee the project as a whole. The androids regularly extracted his Maso for that purpose.
@OlDirtyBaron Nier never had anything to do with the science behind the project, he was just the only successful subject. Its pretty clear if you play the game 😂 Young Nier makes the shadow lord even more of a tragic figure cuz they tricket this innocent kid into helping them by promising to save his little sister.
FYI in the DLC in 1.22 isn't father Nier. It's still the brother. He's dreaming. He's just older. Father Nier is the same age and still Nier just rewritten as a father. But it is NOT the father in the DLC.
Sorry but no matter your nostalgia, papa nier makes less sense the more you dig on the story, ofc everything make more sense with the brother, specially the shadowlord
I wonder what the modding community can do for this game.
Kaine playable in Route B.
Father Nier playable in the routes
Good Kaine face
Also, the blood was remove completely in 1.22 when Kaine destroys Hook's eye
Hearing that it’s your favorite game makes me want to play it but I also want to support you by watching this video
You may already know this but for those how don't *The music stops when the game pauses* at [31:38] because one of the sisters is *dancing along to the music.* It's a cool detail, I recommend watching the whole thing somewhere or if you have time on route C.
No it’s a bug.
@@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman Nuh uh
The ps4 era remakes have come to be definitive versions if only as they are the ones on pc that stand to be available indefinitely
Honestly the hills of radiant winds theme change in the remake really hurts because the vocal version of the remake track is even better than the original and you barely get to fucking hear it
Quick technical feedback: Not sure if the noise gate you’re using is set too slow in terms of attack times or if you’re using some heavy noise reduction plugins, but it’s a little bit too aggressive - makes it sound like you’re running out of breath on every second word during quieter parts of the audio. Great video as always though, love to see new content from you. Keep up the good work.
yeah its the noise gate
i just finished replicant and even though the game and writing was great on paper, i didn’t enjoy it as much as i felt i should have. i completely agree with the kaine face issue, and that it should have been left as-is. she’s not the type of character to have a perfect face.
i also agree that the voice acting was better originally, but i played the game in japanese anyways so it doesn’t matter that much to me.
anyways, i can completely understand how the game could have had a huge impact with each of its reveals, first that shades are the real humans and second the ending D which leads to you deleting your save file. both of these were ruined due to me playing automata first. i already knew about project gestalt, so it was easy for me to guess how the story would turn out, and i completely saw the “shades arent bad” thing coming.
also with the save file deletion, since i already knew that it would happen and since i already did it in automata, it meant less to me since it wasn’t as shocking, subversive or meta as it would have been to an original player. (granted, other games like undertale also caused me to be more cynical about this too)
anyways i really wanted to love this game but i cant bring myself to do kore than just say i liked it. some things still got me, such as the reveal in shadowlords castle that those egg looking things are children. it actually made me feel sick, and i loved how that made me feel.
all in all if i could change one thing about this remake, i would fix all the models to be more accurate to the originals, and i would retain the original animations / improve animations for new scenes. i feel like most animation in the remake is a downgrade.
thanks for the vid, you earned a sub.
Great video bro. I appreciate the fact you made this because I was curious about the differences between Gestalt and Replicant since I just finished Replicant. (Loved every second of it honestly!) I would always wonder when will NieR basically evolve into Papa NieR because I thought there would be a different time skip to save Kainé since I did the DLC before completing Route B and just assumed haha. So I'm glad to know that they are two separate counterparts, and I'll have check out Gestalt one day.
Looks like I gotta jump into 1.22474487139 now!
about an hour of nitpicking
7:15 “my sister! No!”
Dude, your sister not have a name?
When you side comparison
Kaine with that Village
That newer one
Honestly makes her look more humerus to look at because for how it just doesn't work
Definitely the older one is better
What? You don’t have to do loyal Cerberus last. I did sacrifice last on my first run.
I'm kind of surprised you didn't bring up how they changed Emil sacrifice in the remake. Honestly that was the one song I really didn't like the new version of it compared to the original. I just found the singer more grating and more whiny compared to the original version if that makes sense? I might be in the minority on this but other than that I still loved the new soundtrack especially shadowlord and Kaine's theme. great video btw love your comparisons and retrospectives
The new metal sounds in Wretched Automatons aren’t bad, per say, but they go almost unnoticed for the entire track except the beginning. Even at the beginning, they don’t have that same power and rhythm the original had. Not enough smaller metal sounds, I believe.
I finally got Ending E after one hell of a grind to upgrade every weapon (which is pointless, don't do that) so I could finally watch this video without having to look out for spoilers :)
That thing with you not getting the words you needed is a bit odd. When I played I got all the higher level words with 0 grinding
Omg i was waiting for this thank you so much
I love your videos
Spoiler alert you do get to play as kianè
Why do I feel like nier would work well as a musical
Okay I absolutely love the remake, and I do think that it looks visually gorgeous but good god I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought Yonah's face looked absolutely horrid in ending A. Like I tried rationalizing it, maybe it was like a BOTW thing where it was a "real smile" which is why it didn't look that good, but yeah no it looks awful
7:16 Oh, um, hey there Shinji.
6:04.....I see what you did there. :D
I like Kaine's new face, not because of the expressions. but i think having her have a "prettier" face makes for a good contrast for her foul mouth for newer players to witness
And the fact that she sees herself as a monster and was bullied for it
I think that a lot of the nitpicks here are just based on preference. Like for example when you're going over how you prefer some of Kaine's lines over others, in the examples you gave i just preferred all of the 1.22 lines. As for the music a big problem i had was not being able to hear lines over the music in the og. I STILL have that problem in 1.22 but its way less bad, which is why i figue they reduced the volume of sound effects across the board in the songs
I disagree a lot on the visuals part, they were good. Also I don't think Kaine being shocked by being called a monster by a person from Arie in the old version is off because those people called her a monster a lot anyway. But for some reason the new visuals fit better with the Japanese voices compared to the old visuals which fit better with English voices considering how in most cases English dub actors sound like they are tryhards compared to Japanese voices who feel more natural for me.
Remaster is great, but I'll choose original anytime. I think I'll even buy an Xbox so I can play it again. New look and dub is just so much worse for me.
Game was good you're tripping. Boomers just being boomers and letting nostalgia weight what is fact I guess
Absolutely agree on Kaine's face. It's down to a combination of eyebrow definition, face length and bang distance from the eyes. New Kaine has more crammed Asian features while old Kaine looks more eastern European.
Also now that we're done remaking games that are already good, it's time for Drakengard fans to eat dagnabbit. I WANT DG3 WITH ACTUALLY GOOD COMBAT
Very good video. This remake deserves some criticism.
I beat NieR Gestalt a while back, but I recently got Replicant remake, so I'm gonna have to replay it again. Not sure whether I wanna try to get ending E in Drakengard first, since it's only really tangentially related.
Good video but it bothered me that you didn't talk about the Japanese dub,since honestly the English dub is really really bad imo
Lmao, ok I know this video came out two years ago but seeing a guy being upset with the improvement of the game is hilarious. being nostalgically blinded is wild..
So, for a brand new player should I play replicant or gestalt?
Replicant
Gestalt
Replicant is a better game in almost every aspects especially the gameplay. But Gestalt is still worth trying if you really enjoyed Replicant imo
Drakengard
hard disagree with your music opinions.
Strange, I got Emil destroying the Aerie as the last key, maybe it was a bug, or picking the wrong choice? I know it wasn't my last choice on all routes
I do wished the remake would have made new lip movements to match the English dub. That would have been a nice improvement
I do think in complete honesty you have to have complete nostalgia goggles to think 1.22 does not replace the original. The graphics, the voice acting, the sound design, the models, all of it is better. The faces don’t always look great but they look infinitely better than Gestalt in most instances. And the combat? The original is hard to play nowadays. 1.22 isn’t perfect combat but a lot more usable
Btw when is your operation raccoon city review coming ?
Cvit @ I agree 💯 with you man, gestalt is still my favorite, remake is decent but it does fail in emoting emotional scenes, not sure how i feel about the doll look of the characters still unsure about it, the repeat playthroughs are are a slog to play through and getting all 33 weapons wen i think there were 20 in the gestalt i cant remember actually iknow it was less and way easier, this is why i think automata handles its multi playthrough thing better it doesn't feel as much of a chore as it does in the remake, oh one thing that bothered me is that they changed the sound of the shades specifically kalil, during her losing her mother, it doesnt sound as heart breaking to someone who just heard her mother get slashed up and die, i do think they improved the kings anger abit so good on the voice actor there, the new song fleeting words is a beautiful heartbreaking song and i absolutely love it, unfortunately for combat it just isnt changed enough to feel relevant, like the fact that u still.. have to lose your evade and guard if you want to have all four verses equipped that always bothered me, the combat is fast but doesnt feel as nice and fluid as automata and there's way more moves in automata as well, i like nier its till my fav however its nowhere near as good as automata is for me, nier gestalt and replicant are storys that focus on the games characters, while automata focuses on humanity as whole the characters are there and relevant to the plot but thats not the message the game is trying to go for. All and all play automata then if u want to experience the old play replicant, just know its alittle behind the times with very little changes they do add.