Multi-million music labels when some kid from Uruguay wants to listen to Billy Holiday on the Internet Archive for free: *"And that's when I took it personally"*
"We screwed the creators out of their rights fair-and-square decades ago, that means we should be paid forever. You want our poor struggling label execs to starve. Baaaaaaw!" -- music labels
The amount of lost media on the internet proves not everything on the internet is forever. If the internet archives is taken down, expect MANY books, videos, snapshots, and other downloadable media and information to become lost media. This news about the Internet Archives should be scaring the entire Lost Media community
The only good news to come from this is that the internet is well known for one thing, spite. You kill the IA? 50 different clones will be birthed from the carnage, and trust me, they ain't gonna be as respectful as the IA.
@@BuckBlaziken but everything you ever googled or searched on Amazon will be saved with ridiculous redundancy simply because it can be mined to exploit, extort, and profit from individuals without their knowledge/consent. But actual public information, art, and history are tossed to the wayside. Priorities. It’s disgusting. And the world’s most pampered cry bully is responsible for this latest assault.
We gotta do something soon. I should have been more grateful that The Internet Archive even exists. I used it so much that I took it all for granted. I'm getting old enough to where lots of the stuff I grew up with as a kid is ending up on the Internet Archive. I should have realized the obvious truth, that greedy companies and people with ulterior motives would try to burn down the digital Library of Alexandria at any given time... If I were rich I'd donate everything I possibly could to these guys for their work keeping all our cherished childhood memories safe.
I’ve already started on the things I care about. We really all should have a little hard drive to back up the things that mean a lot to us, especially if they could disappear forever.
This is not just an attack on the internet archive. This is an attack on culture itself. Do artists and copyright holders deserve to make money off theit creations? Absolutely. But there is a reason why libraries exist. There is a reason why fair use exists. So much beloved culture only exists because of stuff that is old but not worth selling, apparently. Anyone who cares about the past and future of culture needs to consider just how damaging these attacks on the Internet Archive are. This goes far beyond preventing piracy.
Although the Internet Archive has unnecessarily broken laws already, if it will go down, not only will fair use (like in America) and fair dealing (like in Britain) not exist anymore, most of our cultures will be long gone, period. These corporations are becoming like what the Dutch East India Company would grow into. And That’s terrible. We’ll be in the New Dark Middle Ages because of things like too many frivolous lawsuits.
I am perfectly fine with a tiny cut of my bottom line vanishing from my works for the name of preservation. Oh no, people actually appreciate what I made, whatever will I do?!
a true artist would be doing it no matter the profit and no matter the resources. i feel i deserve to get paid in some way for my music, but i’d also never put it behind a paywall because thats not the right way of going about it. its on itunes for the people that happen to prefer to buy their music, but its always set to the lowest price possible and never promoted.
Yeah it was an INCREDIBLE site for a lot of retro/old school gamers like me! It had games for a lot of obscure consoles & computers such as the Atari Lynx, Vtech Creativision, Neo Geo Pocket Color, Watara Supervision, ZX81, Acorn Archimedes, BBC Micro, etc. Plus many homebrew, demoscenes, etc.! So seeing this site go will be one horrifying disaster. And worse, this might be the beginning of a hypothetical apocalypse here in the US & Canada.
Yes! I am thankful for companies that still allow their abandonware to be uploaded there in the first place. Epic Games announced recently that they are fine with their older games being uploaded there. I used it to download Unreal Tournament 1999 so my mum could play it with me again. We lost our original discs forever ago, now we're playing a 20+ year old game online again (with community patches) but its all thanks to the Internet Archive for making it easily accessible again!
@@MrVuckFiacom Indeed, I used it to not only replay old games from my childhood but to play games I never got but really wanted to as a kid. It made me feel like I was making up for lost time in a way
It's a bigger piracy site than megaupload. I love the site, I've donated to it myself, but when they die it'll be entirely self-inflicted. Nobody should blame publishers for their incredibly stupid actions.
@@englishbannana1232yes but the point being made is that THEY ARENT EVENS SELLING THESE THINGS ANYMORE. IF YOURE NO LONGER SELLING SOMETHING ANYWAYS HOW WOULD YOU MAKE MORE MONEY BY JUST DISAPPERARING IT TOTALLY?
@@afinnishfishnet7366 They don't care. If they can't find a way to make money off of it, they don't want it to be accessible anywhere, especially for free.
Companies be like: yeah! let's keep the unaccessible books, articles, other media still unaccessible for everyone!! And that way we will obviously receive more money!
That's pretty much it, isn't it? They only care about their bottom line, not whether if future generations will be able to enjoy their works or not. Makes me wonder if any current day issues with piecing together history are because of similar issues, it's akin to book burning.
Companies want everything behind their paywalls - information, knowledge and entertainment. If it doesn't make them the maximum amount of money on an ongoing, permanent basis, it is offensive to them and must end.
literallyyyy i don't get it! you gotta wonder what goes through these people's heads when they take down freely accessible media like that. making media inaccessible thus exposing less people to it = profit?? what???
The October attacks were really frustrating for me to deal with. I'm a high school English teacher, and in order to have digital copies of the texts available for the kids to use during class, I found a PDF of a particular story on the Internet Archive. It's a very old story that's in Public Domain. But because of these attacks, my kids at school couldn't access our digital material. Luckily I downloaded a copy when I found it just in case the wifi went out or something so I could pull it up on the projector but the kids didn't have that so they were out of luck. Good thing we were reading through it together and not independently
I always find it funny whenever companies argue about how IA is hurting writers or artists when a large majority of them are dead. Especially with the 72 act
What is even funnier that people who made that music behind the 72 act (most likely) would want their music to be preserved and not locked away some valut to never be released
If they ever say "artist" or "writer" it's a slip. They try to say "owner" to avoid calling attention to that fact. Unfortunately, to our copyright law it's all the same. When you're automatically granted protection for 75 years or whatever _beyond the creator's death_ clearly the law is more about the company than the creator.
@@zmbdog it was originally argued that a work should be protected long enough for the creator's children to inherit the rights. But then it very obviously became about just wanting to continue profiting for as long as possible, no matter how unreasonable.
As a long time fan of Internet Archive, I see digital lending as a modernized version of what brick and mortar libraries have been doing for centuries. Most of the books on their website aren't even in print anymore, so you couldn't buy a copy from the publisher if you tried.
Or is available only through Ebay and other 2nd hand sellers meaning the original authors and the publishing companies don't get a dime either... are publishers going to go after thrift stores for selling donated in print books on their shelves?
This goes beyond preserving old books, movies and films. The archive also takes snapshots of websites and online articles. The archive helps preserve this original online content before it can be altered, changed or deleted.
If it were not for the IA, companies could sneak in, change the terms of an agreement, and then just plain murder you. Your agreement is to a contract, which you yourself cannot read the original you agreed to, because the ONLY contract you can read is the latest version they distribute. Now that is SCARY.
@@Cooe. This is why groups should archive what is important to them. You can't back up literally everything, so pick and choose what you find most important, and tell others who would also benefit from preserving their topics of interest.
@@dreamer72The entire point is to prevent lost history. If that's too impractical for even the smallest person to put in some effort, then we might as well discard all the _worst_ shit in history, *because that's all I ever see.*
I would not be suprised if the hackers just lied about their intentions. We're in an era where the TSA no fly list has been hacked by just someone messing around, where anyone and everyone can learn to hack.
my thought is purely paranoid and baseless but something in me wonders ''what if the publishers hired someone'' but obviously that cant be taken to heart when baseless accusations dont help anything😵💫
I wish it wasn't so expensive to archive things on an individual basis, despite having 18.5TB of space on my PC alone, I am still unable to archive everything I'd like and buying a NAS is way beyond what I can afford right now.
@@RaymondTracerik it sucks. I only have a 1tb ex hdd and im struggling to keep all my games and stuff. I have the classic simpsons seasons in hd tho (up to s13)
Corporations will go for physical libraries and museums too. As far as they are concerned, anything that doesn't result in a sale and royalties from an individual (ie. lending, second hand sales) or can not be permanently monetised is offensive and immoral to them. They want fair use abolished, lending abolished, ownership abolished and public domain abolished. They want complete and total control of all information, knowledge and entertainment behind a paywall.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW it's the exact opposite of communism. this is capitalism pure and simple: private ownership and control of all of our collective culture, all for the enrichment of a handful of rich capitalists who own everything without having to make or contribute anything.
It isn't really corporations, it is who controls those corporations. That old film from 1941 about sum rosebud, which they don't show anymore, was all about this.
Yea, an example being one of the owners of Archive org being related to a journalist I can't remember the name of and he personally deletes any archive containing her age, this is still happening right now
We gotta do this like thanos did with the stones, using the stones to destroy the stones, except with us we gotta archive the internet archive to archive as much as we can before the archive becomes unarchivable.
We need some sort of torrent based search engine with users all over the world seeding. Torrents are already part of the Archive, so organizing this isn't much of a stretch.
Oh no. How dare someone care about 50+ year old music that publishers aren't doing anything with and has long stopped being profitable. While some of the IA's methods probably push things too far, the reality is that they have the moral high ground. They're not being sued because what they did was wrong, nor because rights holders were harmed by IA's actions. They're being sues because that makes the claimants more money than they'd get from selling the thing in the first place. They're suing because they can, and that is despicable. This is why piracy exists; the rights holders are more interested in guarding their property than they are in making it available. This is why more and more people don't give a shit about copyright law; it's completely broken and serves no one. And the more these companies push, the harder people will push back. They have already lost because this will never stop, but they are trying to burn everything down with them.
This is why the copyright laws needs a factory reset and resort back to the 30 years law instead of the 90 year law, AND, all corporations should NOT be allowed to censor books published prior to the 2000s.
@SuperFlashDriver Screw that. Copyright needs to be abolished outright. Creators demonstrably earn more from running a patreon than they earn from publishers by orders of magnitude. Like, it's not even close. And that's even true when they hire their own editors and would be true if they hired publicists. Copyright as an institution exists to protect publishers from losses incurred from the one-time very expensive processes of typesetting, possibly stereotyping a book's pages, producing books in quantity, warehousing, distributing, and marketing books only to have some second publisher from producing copies of those books and cutting into their revenues while leaving them with unsold and unsaleable inventory. Today the cost of production is minimal (it's done on computers at a fraction of the time and relative cost), the cost of distribution in digital form is all but de minimis, and the cost of physical production can be as low or as high as you want it to be, with the higher-cost versions truly being typically limited release collectables. Just like they are with large publishers (who produce them at lower quality than the independent printers…) What SHOULD be protected are what Europeans recognize as "Moral Rights". In the US these do not exist, but they ought to. The right to attribution (to receive credit for your work), or to be anonymous or pseudonymous, the right to the integrity of the work (objecting to changes that alter or mutilate a work in ways that harm the reputation of the creator), and belong to the creator alone. Note that last part doesn't protect a creator from a work which damages their reputation of course, just changes that do. If you distribute the work unmodified and that harms the creators' reputation, so be it. But they have legal remedy if it is your change, not their creation, that harms them.
"Public" libraries are actually given specific things they can do that no other organization can do. This is where the IA got in trouble. They aren't a public library.
Libraries won't be safe forever. If corporations can bend the rules to control over the air signals, deemed once publicly free for a reason, then it's only a matter of time. I think the old library model will be the last to be taken down. Corporations are focused on the Internet and other tech people use more often vs physical books. As a whole.
I remember Aaron Swartz... He believed that information that was stowed away in colleges should be obtainable for everyone. Our government bullied him so much that he took himself to another existence. May Aaron rest in peace... Please don't let the Internet Archive share his fate.
I think he was murdered. This wasn't the first time that somebody who spoke up against government stuff apparently killed himself, nor was it the last time. All of these deaths conveniently happen right as these people are starting to get somewhere. It's so obvious that they have been murdered to silence their arguments, and then framed to make it look like they killed themselves.
Yeah. The people being IA not being educated on Palestine is not an excuse to hack... You educate people. Not hurt them more. These people didn't care, about freedom of information or Palestinians or anyone tbh
The only other attack done by these definitely-not-IOF hackers was some random thing from a years ago that was only covered by Israeli news and Israeli defense companies. Seems legit.
Music labels want to gatekeep recordings they don't even sell or created. The artists and composers are long dead. It's not just mooching off of other people's work, it's downright petty. It's like a toddler not paying attention to the toy truck until another kid picks it up.
As a Literature student, Internet Archive was a lifesaver for finding resources for my assignments and thesis. If IA were to disappear, it would make things much harder for future students who rely on it for their studies.
They may be doing something that technically isn't legal. But when the victims of the crime are multi-billion dollar corporations that do their fair share of unethical things, I find it impossible to have any empathy.
Copyright has its place. It was meant as protections for creators to not starve and keep on creating. The issue has been that corporations are sucking the tit of authors that are either dead, or already have made their money. So, one could say corporations are stealing from dead authors and from modern creators and from public domain by not releasing old material for free use. Meanwhile, our taxes get collected and corporations use all the tax loopholes to pay millions to CEOs,.
It’s so that people can fight back against content thieves and bootleggers. And I mean the content farm slop, not some random guy pirating expensive media from a power hungry corporation. The latter is based
Some authors and book publishers have recently turned against public libraries as well. For example, here in Finland, some Finnish writer withdrew all his books from libraries because she suspected that public libraries were the reason why her books didn't sell enough in bookstores and why book sales have only declined for the past five years. And this Internet Archive case has only fueled this resistance.
I use it a lot to browse now defunct websites. It's also very useful to download files that are no longer hosted. It would be a shame if all of that was lost. It's unfortunate that the greed of corporate America destroys everything it sees as a threat.
How the f*ck can an entity be held liable to pay money for breaking a law that didn't exist yet when they were doing what retroactively broke the new law? Sounds like some b*llshit to me.
it was because they kept doing what they were doing even after the new law came in. If they had completely stopped they couldn't be held liable under American Law Either way though I think it's a dumb law
@@Shadowonwater The law is not right so it won't be upheld, I can imagine a jury coming to say that the publishers are not being financially harmed and that this is stupid
@@Skumm93 Juries only decide facts; Judges determine what the law is and how it should be applied. So Judges will determine the outcome here, not a Jury, and we've seen how politics controls the judiciary.
10:00 "These recordings face no danger of being lost, forgotten or destroyed", THAT's a massive lie. Yeah, until the record label companies decide to get rid of the recordings or make them completely inaccessible. There should be some kind of legal defense to proclaim that IA is right is preserving the records because the record label companies DEFINITELY intend to destroy them in the future, whether by making them inaccessible or the company being dissolved or whatever. Also the timing of the DDoS and security breach attacks definitely smells fishy. Those companies trying to attack IA in court probably hired those hackers themselves, because it's quite obvious there's no way the hackers are doing it for a "pro-palestinian" message. It smells like corporate sabotage, which I'm pretty sure if proven, the plaintiffs could get in a huge amount of trouble
Yeah stuff of 150 independent music labels caught on fire in 2011 London riots because someone thought setting a facility on fire belonging to DADC (SONY) was a great idea. Yes perhaps nobody likes BMG but that's a different SONY branch they were just a service company that many independent labels hired, and to their credit DADC did their best to try to rescue the affected labels financially. Sometimes an accident happens and things get lost.
It's honestly disgusting that Law makers do not care about preserving thing they did not grow up with. in 30-40 years when gen Y-Z get into roles like that the mood will change and I know it'll come at the cost of history from the older generations
The problem with your argument is that you're basing it on nostalgia. Most people don't care about the thing they grew up with 40 years ago. That can't be the basis of an argument because it will get us nothing. The problem here is despotism, and that's how it needs to be painted.
I hope that even if the internet archive gets shut down, the archive itself will still be functional, even if not publicly available… #SaveInternetArchive
@GreyWolfLeaderTW historical integrity will always be more important and valuable to me over how much money some rights holder schmuck can make off something that 9 times out of 10 they didn't make. in an age where media and important information is being widely censored, taken down and erased from history at a concerning rate, i say fuck copyright law. media should belong to the people.
The fact they had the audacity to copyright music and claim it as stealing despite the original owners being *long gone* just shows how greedy they are 😮💨
The people behind both the law suits and the hackers are bent on wiping out our memories. With IA gone they can freely deny or change past statements and publications without fear of accountability. This is genuine, mass scale gaslighting.
The IA is so important that I think the best thing to do is to separate the book and music projects so the IA itself doesn't get dragged down by the lawsuits.
Can the Internet Archive servers be moved to that of another country? For example, Iran is a country where foreign copyright does not apply and piracy is commonplace. Large corporations would have much less control. It could be a potential safe haven for IA and sites like it.
The organization is recognized as an American organization so therefore it falls under American law, especially since the founders is American themselves. Their best chance is to give ownership to someone in Peru since copyright laws are not stringent in Peru
Great idea, if you like high-stakes drama. Just because Iran gives zero sh-ts about Western copyright laws doesn't mean we should park the Internet Archive there. Moving the Internet Archive to Iran is like swapping sharks for crocodiles. That place is a mixed bag-sure, they’ll let you pirate “The Godfather”, but upload anything that ruffles their clerical feathers, and suddenly the Supreme Leader and his goons will be out for blood. IA's got all kinds of content, and not all of it would fly in Tehran. Corporate lawsuits on one side, government crackdowns on the other. It'd be like throwing IA into a high-stakes spy movie. The IA doesn't need to trade lawsuits for international intrigue, thank you very much.
Or make a sister company in another country with more lax laws and copy everything over there, it would be really expensive and quite not as easy as it sounds but it's the only thing I can think of.
I donted $50 to Internet Archive this month for the holidays. I do hope it doesn't shut down because if it does it greatest lost of information/knowlage of the 21st century and IMHO be the the 21st century's equivlenant to the burning of Library of Alexandria
I think both japan and pretty much the whole Europe will learn this lesson once there won’t be as many old people in the next few decades. More and more of us are downright roasting corporations anyway.
I have read all kinds of obscure books on the Internet Archive for my historical research (as an example, L.S. Pressnell, 'Country Banking in the Industrial Revolution' (1956).) Funnily enough, they aren't still in print and the publishers (if they still exist) have no intention of digitizing them. The market for a commercial digitization is too small for them to bother. If I can find a print copy, it's second-hand, which means that, if I buy it, neither the writer nor the publisher gets anything from the sale. This is just publishers bullying for no reason. They aren't offering to digitize all those books themselves, are they?
Copyright law should indeed have a clause where if a work has not been available commercially for a couple of years, it becomes public domain. In the digital age, there's no point on hoarding.
Copyright is meant to protect creators, but CDL does not harm publishers or creators. Libraries have always lent out book to enable access. This judge's judgement is in breach of the covenant between Libraries and creators and companies. Here is one for Elon Musk, as if companies are allowed to impinge on the ground of libraries who have always lent books in a controlled way then where does your "free speech" and democracy go? Profits over free speech and public access? what are these US legals doing? Soon all information will be behind paywalls if these publishers have their way and free speech and democracy will go the way of the dinosaur.
Well, the only safe solution is that we all keep a small portion of the archives in our hard drives and if the site ever goes down, we can restore at least a part of it if some one else wants to found another archive.
I wouldn't be surprised if publishing companies are somehow paying these hackers to ruin it behind the scenes. What other incentive would there be for hackers to attack a website that hosts tons of content otherwise inaccessible to them and the rest of the public?
You guys talking about a "decent" life and survival... That's what perpetuates all this mine, mine, mine. There are many people now and in the past who lived very contentedly on the most basic subsistence.
@@ToonyTails I agree, but people often do incredibly reckless shit in the name of money. Losing the Internet Archive would basically be the modern version of the burning of the library of Alexandria and they don't give a shit.
@@sahamal_savu the only people who are “mine, mine, mine” are Corporations that basically have control over the laws through bribes and lobbying against people who simply want to own a good product from their hard earned money.
9:50 The music industry: "Being content through a streaming service equals preservation" THE FUCK IT IS! Their DRM systems prevent anybody from safekeeping copies of the music they paid for. That's not preservation.
@@elgoog-the-third You take an allusion to a tragic loss of knowledge very literally, and you're mass replying to everyone mentioning it in order to correct them. Cool your autism bro.
Unfortunately it’s hard to say. With how capitalistic and anti consumer everything is becoming, any voices us commonfolk have would probably be drowned out even if we banded together. That’s the worst part, books, movies and the music industry are a much different beast than a video game publisher and even then those publishers are starting to adapt. I think the only solution is really to continue pirating.
Rich gotta rich. History can be controlled and changed by those with the most coin, connections, crews, clout, computer codes, control, corporate communities, and opulent opportunities. If you don't have that ish, then you ain't *sheet.* That's REALITY. Deal with it. --an award-winning yet utterly invisible author of 600,000 words & 350+ non-A.I. illustrations
This is why holding onto PHYSICAL media is so important. If enough people can hold onto their collections of books, movies, music, and other medias and keep them preserved maybe they can be saved until such a time where they could be backed up digitally without fear. So save them. Don’t sell them or get rid of them. Copy them physically and share them if you can get away with it.
I see the main culprit in the duration of the copyright. It expires 70 years after the death of the author. IMO this so ridiculous. Work of a greedy lobby took our rights. We should cut it down to like with patents, 20 years after publishing that is.
Mexican copyright durations are life plus a hundred years long, which is horrifying when both the German publishing mob and even the Japanese publishing yakuza are beaten to the punch by the Mexican publishing cartel itself!
Yeah, I unfortunately think the same because big businesses have to shrink or otherwise they’ll end up like the Dutch East India company. It’s still pretty bad when even a few once-popular now-dormant franchises need reprints every now and then. Being too pro-corporation may not work in the long run anyway.
@SlapstickGenius23 Go read the original copyright law. Basically, everything these corporations depend on to survive would be entering the public domain now. The only reason corporations are so determined to destroy preservation efforts because they want you to shut up and buy their now generally far inferior modern versions.
I hate copyright, we literally live in an age where nothing could become lost media again, but unfortunately rights holders just want to make the things they hold the rights to disappear for some reason
I will never buy a book from Hachette, Penguin, Wiley, or Harper-Collins since they did this. Piracy of their books is not merely "defensible", it's a moral obligation. Driving them out of business is a moral imperative. The people who attacked the Archive recently went after the wrong site, regardless of how bad their security was.
I'm really glad more mainstream news outlets are covering this. This needs to blow up; it needs to be treated as a huge deal. If I could donate any money, I would. ❤️❤️❤️
Corporations and record labels have got be the scummiest pieces of shit on earth. Bar none. Not only are they extremely stubborn and out of touch, but they straight up just have no mercy for anyone.
Honestly, the fact that copyright law allows companies to retaliate against legitimate preservation (because maintaining the media but not letting people access it does not count as preservation, that is vaulting!) is just sickening. The fact that the works of Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, and many MANY more people who have been deceased for longer than most people alive, are not in the public domain is absurd. Copyright now ONLY benefits the publisher, because creators are not even allowed to keep or at least distribute the IP they work on!
Save what you need, folks. Crying shame. Something will rise from the ashes with curatiom and controls to stave off legal issues but I think the real loss here is the Wayback Machine's being at risk. I worry about the rest but preserved *Internet* is an altogether different beast than needing to find backups of old podcasts again (gross exaggeration but just the same).
They want the memory of the internet being a Wild West of sorts to be erased. Why should people know at one point you didn’t need credential’s and an id to look up how to make a cake?
I still haven't forgiven Metallica for siding with the RIAA, it's like an abused partner siding with their abuser in court. Artists don't lick the boot
Most lawmakers are old fucks that don't even understand half of the shit they make laws pertaining to. Real "The internet is a series of tubes" type of energy.
Companies don’t see the internet as an ever expanding realm. They see it as a ripe world to be cut into pieces and force users to only dwell there. Look at how much they push for sites that need identification , location, data etc. the internet is no longer a place to hop on to ask a question. It’s a tool used to extract someone’s personal data and sell them bullshit. Back in the day there wasn’t much of an ad on a site and. It still ran just as well as it does today . Now your asked if they have your cookies, pay subscriptions , give you an ad every second . It’s literally twisted how much this new arena of humanity to play in has been destroyed by greed
I wish there was a way to make sure my piracy infringement ACTUALLY hurt the copyright holders. I love the internet archive so much. A priceless resource.
Let's be honest, there is probably more than one internet archive archive, each one bigger than the archive itself, only accessible to those willing dive below the surface. The data will never go away, but the ease of access is what is at stake here.
I have donated multiple times, and have now decided to donate monthly. Fight the good fight! We should all try to pursue knowledge, and strive to preserve culture and ideas! 💪❤
Third party developers need to create a fully decentralized network that allows we the people collectively to download and backup the entire archive. While one person or even one very large company would find backing this up to be daunting, tens of millions of us cooperating and donating some space on our devices, could easily do it. As for the law, when the law is not applied equally then there is no law, and the law is dead. We live in a world where what corporations want is allowed, and what the people want not only isn't allowed, but the people continue to be manipulated by those companies through various means. Until this corruption is purged from society, any and all forms of so-called internet piracy, are completely and absolutely justified. A lot more than one person has made detailed videos on this subject. Its a bold statement, but its a true statement. This isn't about the rights of people who create content, this is about big tech slowly but surely trying to control more and more of every aspect of our lives. And it only continues for as long as we the people comply with it. So-called internet piracy does not hurt these companies in any way. But maybe we the people need to work harder at making it hurt them. Which ironically keeps getting easier the more they push all of the DEI lecturing and overall continuing to make worse and worse things that no one wants to put their money to because they suck so bad.
I still don't think IA is going to die, though. On a good note, Epic Games is blessed and is actually fine with that both Unreal and Unreal Tournament are free on the Internet Archive.
We're not just talking about books, movies, games, etc. But there's so much actual real-world history and culture on here that will be lost. I'm genuinely terrified of the Archive shutting down, and feel so bad I can't help cause I'm just a kid with not much money to donate. :(
"The Music Modernization Act" is, like most legislation, Orwellian in its naming. It does nothing to modernize the music industry or update the law in accord with modern technology, it simply extends the reach of already-overreaching copyright law. The more things like this happen, the more I want to aggressively shorten copyright durations. Consider that a PATENT, the information of a physical INVENTION or lifesaving technology, expires after 16 years; why, then, does ownership of a doodle or fanfic-tier writing last nearly a century? Copyright should be 20 years or the lifespan of the author. The 20 year window is a point of grace for publishers who purchase work from an author near the end of his life, so they can make profit from it when it is hot and fresh. By the time children who were raised on a work in their preteen years become full fledged adults waxing nostalgic, it should be public domain content with no ability to challenge remakes, parodies, and shoddy knockoffs.
This. With current law it basically never expires and they keep "modernizing" law so they can keep it for longer and longer. It's insane and it stifles both culture and creativity.
Aren't a lot of those songs technically public domain now? Not sure how it works for music but I know most copyrights from 1880 to the late 1920s have expired.
“This is bad for writers” -companies that don’t pay writers shit.
Yep it bullshit
“How will this affect *insert obscure author here* ‘s legacy?”
"This is bad for artists" -Companies that barely pay musicians pennies
@@RadikAlice not to mention said musicians are probably quite dead, seeing as the record format was replaced 70 some years ago.
Meanwhile Fred Durst is suing UMG......
Multi-million music labels when some kid from Uruguay wants to listen to Billy Holiday on the Internet Archive for free: *"And that's when I took it personally"*
Funny how they publish to UA-cam for anyone to record, download and reupload with 0 drm
"We screwed the creators out of their rights fair-and-square decades ago, that means we should be paid forever. You want our poor struggling label execs to starve. Baaaaaaw!" -- music labels
@@harbl99 Nailed it.
Soon you won't be able to play a singular musical note without being sued and slammed in the gutter for "theft".
Wait did that happened?
The amount of lost media on the internet proves not everything on the internet is forever. If the internet archives is taken down, expect MANY books, videos, snapshots, and other downloadable media and information to become lost media. This news about the Internet Archives should be scaring the entire Lost Media community
Expect the public domain to be lost. Save for weird Chinese bootlegs, we'll basically lose everything.
Those Lost Media YT channels are gonna explode one day, there's only gonna be more and more lost stuff as time goes on
Good thing I found everything I ever cared about and am backing it all up to M-DISC.
The only good news to come from this is that the internet is well known for one thing, spite. You kill the IA? 50 different clones will be birthed from the carnage, and trust me, they ain't gonna be as respectful as the IA.
@@BuckBlaziken but everything you ever googled or searched on Amazon will be saved with ridiculous redundancy simply because it can be mined to exploit, extort, and profit from individuals without their knowledge/consent. But actual public information, art, and history are tossed to the wayside. Priorities. It’s disgusting. And the world’s most pampered cry bully is responsible for this latest assault.
Crazy that now the internet might have to band together to archive the internet archive
We gotta do something soon. I should have been more grateful that The Internet Archive even exists. I used it so much that I took it all for granted. I'm getting old enough to where lots of the stuff I grew up with as a kid is ending up on the Internet Archive. I should have realized the obvious truth, that greedy companies and people with ulterior motives would try to burn down the digital Library of Alexandria at any given time... If I were rich I'd donate everything I possibly could to these guys for their work keeping all our cherished childhood memories safe.
>"Band together"
>look inside
>its just thought and prayers, and already forgotten in a week because low attention span
I’ve already started on the things I care about. We really all should have a little hard drive to back up the things that mean a lot to us, especially if they could disappear forever.
Might have to band together to refuse to buy music or books from any company that sues them.
@@AllaiyahWeynYeah, not exactly possible.
The Internet Archive is such an important service. If it gets shut down it will be like burning down the library of Alexandria again.
not really. they were removing stuff when asked by people politically alligned with them. they can kick rocks.
@@mr.fingers "They can kick rocks" my ass. What an L take!
@@Box1-lf9hv you skipped the part when i gave an argument for why they should do it and like a real regard you provided nothing of value.
@@mr.fingers You cleary think I skipped the part? You gave the arguement? And you said I profided nothing?
@@Box1-lf9hv yes, child.
This is not just an attack on the internet archive. This is an attack on culture itself. Do artists and copyright holders deserve to make money off theit creations? Absolutely. But there is a reason why libraries exist. There is a reason why fair use exists. So much beloved culture only exists because of stuff that is old but not worth selling, apparently. Anyone who cares about the past and future of culture needs to consider just how damaging these attacks on the Internet Archive are. This goes far beyond preventing piracy.
Although the Internet Archive has unnecessarily broken laws already, if it will go down, not only will fair use (like in America) and fair dealing (like in Britain) not exist anymore, most of our cultures will be long gone, period. These corporations are becoming like what the Dutch East India Company would grow into. And That’s terrible. We’ll be in the New Dark Middle Ages because of things like too many frivolous lawsuits.
I am perfectly fine with a tiny cut of my bottom line vanishing from my works for the name of preservation. Oh no, people actually appreciate what I made, whatever will I do?!
a true artist would be doing it no matter the profit and no matter the resources. i feel i deserve to get paid in some way for my music, but i’d also never put it behind a paywall because thats not the right way of going about it. its on itunes for the people that happen to prefer to buy their music, but its always set to the lowest price possible and never promoted.
uhm no its larger then the fn books its the gov's covering there corruption.
Its sad since the archive is so much then just books, music and videos. It even holds old computer programs and even older operating systems
Yeah it was an INCREDIBLE site for a lot of retro/old school gamers like me! It had games for a lot of obscure consoles & computers such as the Atari Lynx, Vtech Creativision, Neo Geo Pocket Color, Watara Supervision, ZX81, Acorn Archimedes, BBC Micro, etc. Plus many homebrew, demoscenes, etc.! So seeing this site go will be one horrifying disaster. And worse, this might be the beginning of a hypothetical apocalypse here in the US & Canada.
Yes! I am thankful for companies that still allow their abandonware to be uploaded there in the first place. Epic Games announced recently that they are fine with their older games being uploaded there. I used it to download Unreal Tournament 1999 so my mum could play it with me again. We lost our original discs forever ago, now we're playing a 20+ year old game online again (with community patches) but its all thanks to the Internet Archive for making it easily accessible again!
Yeah. You really need it for old firmware long abandoned or hidden by manufacturers
@@MrVuckFiacom Indeed, I used it to not only replay old games from my childhood but to play games I never got but really wanted to as a kid. It made me feel like I was making up for lost time in a way
It's a bigger piracy site than megaupload.
I love the site, I've donated to it myself, but when they die it'll be entirely self-inflicted. Nobody should blame publishers for their incredibly stupid actions.
Odd how companies are so interested in things that are out of print and that they don't even sell anymore.
They're so obsessed over the idea of owning the media that they don't even care if it gets used at all.
They'll do anything to make more money. Thats all companies care about, more and more money.
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@@englishbannana1232yes but the point being made is that THEY ARENT EVENS SELLING THESE THINGS ANYMORE.
IF YOURE NO LONGER SELLING SOMETHING ANYWAYS HOW WOULD YOU MAKE MORE MONEY BY JUST DISAPPERARING IT TOTALLY?
@@afinnishfishnet7366 They don't care. If they can't find a way to make money off of it, they don't want it to be accessible anywhere, especially for free.
Companies be like: yeah! let's keep the unaccessible books, articles, other media still unaccessible for everyone!! And that way we will obviously receive more money!
That's pretty much it, isn't it? They only care about their bottom line, not whether if future generations will be able to enjoy their works or not. Makes me wonder if any current day issues with piecing together history are because of similar issues, it's akin to book burning.
Companies want everything behind their paywalls - information, knowledge and entertainment. If it doesn't make them the maximum amount of money on an ongoing, permanent basis, it is offensive to them and must end.
Maybe it's not about the money for them at this point anymore; maybe it Elitism?
All the corporations are EXTREMELY short-sighted
literallyyyy i don't get it! you gotta wonder what goes through these people's heads when they take down freely accessible media like that. making media inaccessible thus exposing less people to it = profit?? what???
The October attacks were really frustrating for me to deal with. I'm a high school English teacher, and in order to have digital copies of the texts available for the kids to use during class, I found a PDF of a particular story on the Internet Archive. It's a very old story that's in Public Domain. But because of these attacks, my kids at school couldn't access our digital material. Luckily I downloaded a copy when I found it just in case the wifi went out or something so I could pull it up on the projector but the kids didn't have that so they were out of luck. Good thing we were reading through it together and not independently
Add it to Google Drive, Mega or some other file sharing site and then share it with the students next time.
or post it to Google Classroom
You may already know this but check library genesis (Libgen)
@@handlewithnonumbers Mega is notorious for deleting stuff they don't like. Google Drive can too, but at least it's safer there.
Once you have a digital copy it's easy to spread it around via thumbdrives etc....
I always find it funny whenever companies argue about how IA is hurting writers or artists when a large majority of them are dead. Especially with the 72 act
What is even funnier that people who made that music behind the 72 act (most likely) would want their music to be preserved and not locked away some valut to never be released
If they ever say "artist" or "writer" it's a slip. They try to say "owner" to avoid calling attention to that fact. Unfortunately, to our copyright law it's all the same. When you're automatically granted protection for 75 years or whatever _beyond the creator's death_ clearly the law is more about the company than the creator.
@@zmbdog it was originally argued that a work should be protected long enough for the creator's children to inherit the rights. But then it very obviously became about just wanting to continue profiting for as long as possible, no matter how unreasonable.
Meanwhile they’re doing the exact same shit with AI
As a long time fan of Internet Archive, I see digital lending as a modernized version of what brick and mortar libraries have been doing for centuries. Most of the books on their website aren't even in print anymore, so you couldn't buy a copy from the publisher if you tried.
Unfortunately, for the few books that are in print by comparison, they just have to shout about them to force IA to capitulate in court.
Or is available only through Ebay and other 2nd hand sellers meaning the original authors and the publishing companies don't get a dime either... are publishers going to go after thrift stores for selling donated in print books on their shelves?
This goes beyond preserving old books, movies and films. The archive also takes snapshots of websites and online articles. The archive helps preserve this original online content before it can be altered, changed or deleted.
If it were not for the IA, companies could sneak in, change the terms of an agreement, and then just plain murder you. Your agreement is to a contract, which you yourself cannot read the original you agreed to, because the ONLY contract you can read is the latest version they distribute. Now that is SCARY.
YES!
"WE NEED TO ARCHIVE THE ARCHIVE!!!" -- used to be a joke, now it should be taken SERIOUSLY in consideration
This is impossible. There isn't enough private data storage available to archive the Archive.
@@Cooe.iirc the ia has multiple data centres around the world that copy each upload to every instance
Should never be considered a joke, more backups = more security of preservation
@@Cooe. This is why groups should archive what is important to them. You can't back up literally everything, so pick and choose what you find most important, and tell others who would also benefit from preserving their topics of interest.
@@dreamer72The entire point is to prevent lost history. If that's too impractical for even the smallest person to put in some effort, then we might as well discard all the _worst_ shit in history, *because that's all I ever see.*
I would not be suprised if the hackers just lied about their intentions.
We're in an era where the TSA no fly list has been hacked by just someone messing around, where anyone and everyone can learn to hack.
my thought is purely paranoid and baseless but something in me wonders ''what if the publishers hired someone'' but obviously that cant be taken to heart when baseless accusations dont help anything😵💫
"anyone and everyone can learn to hack"
Always has been, always will be.
Holy fucking bingle.
They may as well be wearing FBI hats
The publishers didn't need to do that since they were winning.
People, save. Archive as much stuff important to you as you can.
Fr. I’m SO glad I predicted this and started awhile ago.
I wish it wasn't so expensive to archive things on an individual basis, despite having 18.5TB of space on my PC alone, I am still unable to archive everything I'd like and buying a NAS is way beyond what I can afford right now.
@@RaymondTracerik it sucks. I only have a 1tb ex hdd and im struggling to keep all my games and stuff. I have the classic simpsons seasons in hd tho (up to s13)
On M-DISC, while you can still get the discs.
All you know is what was important, not what will be important.
Corporations will go for physical libraries and museums too. As far as they are concerned, anything that doesn't result in a sale and royalties from an individual (ie. lending, second hand sales) or can not be permanently monetised is offensive and immoral to them. They want fair use abolished, lending abolished, ownership abolished and public domain abolished. They want complete and total control of all information, knowledge and entertainment behind a paywall.
So, in other words, you're describing them as communists (because that is how the communists operated in the Soviet Union).
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW it's the exact opposite of communism. this is capitalism pure and simple: private ownership and control of all of our collective culture, all for the enrichment of a handful of rich capitalists who own everything without having to make or contribute anything.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW you have no idea what you are blabbering about.
It isn't really corporations, it is who controls those corporations. That old film from 1941 about sum rosebud, which they don't show anymore, was all about this.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW I don't see how that is stateless, classless, or moneyless rather than the literal opposite, but okay.
Copyright law needs serious reforming.
"Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." - Mark Twain
You can't reform that which is built upon exploitation.
China doesn't care about copyright. That's already ⅙ of the world's population.
He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future, conquers the past.
KANE! LIVES!
LIFE IS FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LIVE
SOAD
@@Kovac22Never expected to see a Command And Conquer reference in the year of our lord 2024
Yea, an example being one of the owners of Archive org being related to a journalist I can't remember the name of and he personally deletes any archive containing her age, this is still happening right now
We gotta archive the internet archive
We gotta do this like thanos did with the stones, using the stones to destroy the stones, except with us we gotta archive the internet archive to archive as much as we can before the archive becomes unarchivable.
You know, archiving the internet archive feels weird af
We need some sort of torrent based search engine with users all over the world seeding. Torrents are already part of the Archive, so organizing this isn't much of a stretch.
@areyoukeepingupwiththec64
Is there anyone dedicated enough to organize something like that? That’s a good idea.
@@OhNyoCringeII Russell did it in Half Life Alyx lmao
Oh no. How dare someone care about 50+ year old music that publishers aren't doing anything with and has long stopped being profitable.
While some of the IA's methods probably push things too far, the reality is that they have the moral high ground. They're not being sued because what they did was wrong, nor because rights holders were harmed by IA's actions. They're being sues because that makes the claimants more money than they'd get from selling the thing in the first place. They're suing because they can, and that is despicable. This is why piracy exists; the rights holders are more interested in guarding their property than they are in making it available. This is why more and more people don't give a shit about copyright law; it's completely broken and serves no one. And the more these companies push, the harder people will push back. They have already lost because this will never stop, but they are trying to burn everything down with them.
This is why the copyright laws needs a factory reset and resort back to the 30 years law instead of the 90 year law, AND, all corporations should NOT be allowed to censor books published prior to the 2000s.
@SuperFlashDriver Screw that. Copyright needs to be abolished outright. Creators demonstrably earn more from running a patreon than they earn from publishers by orders of magnitude. Like, it's not even close. And that's even true when they hire their own editors and would be true if they hired publicists. Copyright as an institution exists to protect publishers from losses incurred from the one-time very expensive processes of typesetting, possibly stereotyping a book's pages, producing books in quantity, warehousing, distributing, and marketing books only to have some second publisher from producing copies of those books and cutting into their revenues while leaving them with unsold and unsaleable inventory.
Today the cost of production is minimal (it's done on computers at a fraction of the time and relative cost), the cost of distribution in digital form is all but de minimis, and the cost of physical production can be as low or as high as you want it to be, with the higher-cost versions truly being typically limited release collectables. Just like they are with large publishers (who produce them at lower quality than the independent printers…)
What SHOULD be protected are what Europeans recognize as "Moral Rights". In the US these do not exist, but they ought to. The right to attribution (to receive credit for your work), or to be anonymous or pseudonymous, the right to the integrity of the work (objecting to changes that alter or mutilate a work in ways that harm the reputation of the creator), and belong to the creator alone.
Note that last part doesn't protect a creator from a work which damages their reputation of course, just changes that do. If you distribute the work unmodified and that harms the creators' reputation, so be it. But they have legal remedy if it is your change, not their creation, that harms them.
If libraries were a new concept, they would be sued out of existence.
"Public" libraries are actually given specific things they can do that no other organization can do. This is where the IA got in trouble. They aren't a public library.
@@behanner The really agitating part is that IA has FREQUENTLY petitioned to receive that status and has been rejected EVERY time.
Who's to say they still won't?
Libraries won't be safe forever. If corporations can bend the rules to control over the air signals, deemed once publicly free for a reason, then it's only a matter of time. I think the old library model will be the last to be taken down. Corporations are focused on the Internet and other tech people use more often vs physical books. As a whole.
tbf, they are sued out of existence even though they aren't.
download, download, and download it all before it's all gone.
I remember Aaron Swartz... He believed that information that was stowed away in colleges should be obtainable for everyone. Our government bullied him so much that he took himself to another existence. May Aaron rest in peace... Please don't let the Internet Archive share his fate.
It seems like it may even be too late to "archive the archive."
I think he was murdered. This wasn't the first time that somebody who spoke up against government stuff apparently killed himself, nor was it the last time. All of these deaths conveniently happen right as these people are starting to get somewhere. It's so obvious that they have been murdered to silence their arguments, and then framed to make it look like they killed themselves.
The military does a lot of their research through colleges.
I feel like we can add the people who hacked the IA to the list of internet villains. I mean, you wouldn’t burn down a library.
Yeah. The people being IA not being educated on Palestine is not an excuse to hack... You educate people. Not hurt them more. These people didn't care, about freedom of information or Palestinians or anyone tbh
The hackers were Russian who are pretty known for burning libraries. So yeah
they were being paid by someone.
The way you closed your statement gave me whiplash to how “you wouldn’t steal a car!!”
@@damian9303Ironically that ad was discontinued because the music used in it was stolen.
Imagine hacking a site for "supporting" the side you're against, only for it to backfire and make your side look worse
Supporters of Israel have shown that they are Nazis (They have views like Nazis in dehumanizing the victims of genocide)
Refuse to believe it wasn't a false flag attack or them being _that_ stupid
It was definitely them trying to deface them to make them look like awful people
The only other attack done by these definitely-not-IOF hackers was some random thing from a years ago that was only covered by Israeli news and Israeli defense companies. Seems legit.
perhaps that was the intent, don't take hackers/terrorists at their word. Make sure to look at every angle they could benefit from.
It is not about profit or copyright. It is about control on information and ability to rewrite history. Then it makes sense.
they already did that
what you are being taught right now is watered down history
Music labels want to gatekeep recordings they don't even sell or created. The artists and composers are long dead.
It's not just mooching off of other people's work, it's downright petty. It's like a toddler not paying attention to the toy truck until another kid picks it up.
As a Literature student, Internet Archive was a lifesaver for finding resources for my assignments and thesis. If IA were to disappear, it would make things much harder for future students who rely on it for their studies.
They may be doing something that technically isn't legal. But when the victims of the crime are multi-billion dollar corporations that do their fair share of unethical things, I find it impossible to have any empathy.
I can only see the Internet Archive as a hero. I have NEVER been a fan of "copyright" bull crap.
Copyright has its place. It was meant as protections for creators to not starve and keep on creating. The issue has been that corporations are sucking the tit of authors that are either dead, or already have made their money. So, one could say corporations are stealing from dead authors and from modern creators and from public domain by not releasing old material for free use. Meanwhile, our taxes get collected and corporations use all the tax loopholes to pay millions to CEOs,.
It’s so that people can fight back against content thieves and bootleggers. And I mean the content farm slop, not some random guy pirating expensive media from a power hungry corporation. The latter is based
It's funny how an illegal stream of music cost $15,000 per time, but a legal stream nets the artist about 0.1 cents
Some authors and book publishers have recently turned against public libraries as well. For example, here in Finland, some Finnish writer withdrew all his books from libraries because she suspected that public libraries were the reason why her books didn't sell enough in bookstores and why book sales have only declined for the past five years. And this Internet Archive case has only fueled this resistance.
I use it a lot to browse now defunct websites. It's also very useful to download files that are no longer hosted. It would be a shame if all of that was lost. It's unfortunate that the greed of corporate America destroys everything it sees as a threat.
This is so depressing. I don’t believe it’s not for censorship.
a modern tragedy, we've lost libraries before and they become myths for future generations :(
That's why we learn from alexandria, don't put your eggs in one basket, make multiple archives so it's impossible for corporations to remove them
How the f*ck can an entity be held liable to pay money for breaking a law that didn't exist yet when they were doing what retroactively broke the new law? Sounds like some b*llshit to me.
it was because they kept doing what they were doing even after the new law came in. If they had completely stopped they couldn't be held liable under American Law
Either way though I think it's a dumb law
@@Shadowonwater The law is not right so it won't be upheld, I can imagine a jury coming to say that the publishers are not being financially harmed and that this is stupid
@@Skumm93 Juries only decide facts; Judges determine what the law is and how it should be applied. So Judges will determine the outcome here, not a Jury, and we've seen how politics controls the judiciary.
The Constitution actually prohibits ex post facto laws, but unfortunately, we now live in a lawless age.
10:00 "These recordings face no danger of being lost, forgotten or destroyed", THAT's a massive lie. Yeah, until the record label companies decide to get rid of the recordings or make them completely inaccessible. There should be some kind of legal defense to proclaim that IA is right is preserving the records because the record label companies DEFINITELY intend to destroy them in the future, whether by making them inaccessible or the company being dissolved or whatever.
Also the timing of the DDoS and security breach attacks definitely smells fishy. Those companies trying to attack IA in court probably hired those hackers themselves, because it's quite obvious there's no way the hackers are doing it for a "pro-palestinian" message. It smells like corporate sabotage, which I'm pretty sure if proven, the plaintiffs could get in a huge amount of trouble
Yeah stuff of 150 independent music labels caught on fire in 2011 London riots because someone thought setting a facility on fire belonging to DADC (SONY) was a great idea. Yes perhaps nobody likes BMG but that's a different SONY branch they were just a service company that many independent labels hired, and to their credit DADC did their best to try to rescue the affected labels financially. Sometimes an accident happens and things get lost.
It's honestly disgusting that Law makers do not care about preserving thing they did not grow up with. in 30-40 years when gen Y-Z get into roles like that the mood will change and I know it'll come at the cost of history from the older generations
I would say the younger millennials too, it's the boomers and Gen x that seem not to care the most.
The problem with your argument is that you're basing it on nostalgia. Most people don't care about the thing they grew up with 40 years ago. That can't be the basis of an argument because it will get us nothing. The problem here is despotism, and that's how it needs to be painted.
I hope that even if the internet archive gets shut down, the archive itself will still be functional, even if not publicly available…
#SaveInternetArchive
Sort of a digital library annex. I agree.
I sort of get what you're saying, but if it's not publicly available what's the point?
@@hurdygurdyguy1 So that they don’t become lost media. Kinda like the Svalbard Global Seed Vault
this is why i genuinely believe that copyright laws as we know them are a mistake on humanity's historical and cultural integrity.
Everything that's wrong with modern-day copyright was Lucifer's idea! He inspired the world's movers and shakers to corrupt the copyright laws!
As with many things, it started out with good intentions. But eventually, it just became yet another tool for oppression.
You're advocating violation of private property rights.
@@GreyWolfLeaderTW You say that like it's a bad thing hue hue
@GreyWolfLeaderTW historical integrity will always be more important and valuable to me over how much money some rights holder schmuck can make off something that 9 times out of 10 they didn't make. in an age where media and important information is being widely censored, taken down and erased from history at a concerning rate, i say fuck copyright law. media should belong to the people.
The fact they had the audacity to copyright music and claim it as stealing despite the original owners being *long gone* just shows how greedy they are 😮💨
The fact that the Pirate Bay will outlast the Internet Archive is absolutely hilarious.
The Pirate Bay is just Internet Archive chaotic good version. 😅©️
it's not as comprehensive though.
The people behind both the law suits and the hackers are bent on wiping out our memories. With IA gone they can freely deny or change past statements and publications without fear of accountability. This is genuine, mass scale gaslighting.
The IA is so important that I think the best thing to do is to separate the book and music projects so the IA itself doesn't get dragged down by the lawsuits.
Can the Internet Archive servers be moved to that of another country?
For example, Iran is a country where foreign copyright does not apply and piracy is commonplace. Large corporations would have much less control. It could be a potential safe haven for IA and sites like it.
The organization is recognized as an American organization so therefore it falls under American law, especially since the founders is American themselves. Their best chance is to give ownership to someone in Peru since copyright laws are not stringent in Peru
Great idea, if you like high-stakes drama.
Just because Iran gives zero sh-ts about Western copyright laws doesn't mean we should park the Internet Archive there. Moving the Internet Archive to Iran is like swapping sharks for crocodiles.
That place is a mixed bag-sure, they’ll let you pirate “The Godfather”, but upload anything that ruffles their clerical feathers, and suddenly the Supreme Leader and his goons will be out for blood. IA's got all kinds of content, and not all of it would fly in Tehran. Corporate lawsuits on one side, government crackdowns on the other. It'd be like throwing IA into a high-stakes spy movie. The IA doesn't need to trade lawsuits for international intrigue, thank you very much.
Or make a sister company in another country with more lax laws and copy everything over there, it would be really expensive and quite not as easy as it sounds but it's the only thing I can think of.
I donted $50 to Internet Archive this month for the holidays. I do hope it doesn't shut down because if it does it greatest lost of information/knowlage of the 21st century and IMHO be the the 21st century's equivlenant to the burning of Library of Alexandria
"Intellectual Property" itself infringes upon TRUE physical property rights. The future will realize this.
I think both japan and pretty much the whole Europe will learn this lesson once there won’t be as many old people in the next few decades. More and more of us are downright roasting corporations anyway.
I love the archive, but it was very stupid of them to remove the digital lending restrictions
I have read all kinds of obscure books on the Internet Archive for my historical research (as an example, L.S. Pressnell, 'Country Banking in the Industrial Revolution' (1956).) Funnily enough, they aren't still in print and the publishers (if they still exist) have no intention of digitizing them. The market for a commercial digitization is too small for them to bother. If I can find a print copy, it's second-hand, which means that, if I buy it, neither the writer nor the publisher gets anything from the sale. This is just publishers bullying for no reason. They aren't offering to digitize all those books themselves, are they?
Copyright law should indeed have a clause where if a work has not been available commercially for a couple of years, it becomes public domain.
In the digital age, there's no point on hoarding.
Copyright is meant to protect creators, but CDL does not harm publishers or creators. Libraries have always lent out book to enable access. This judge's judgement is in breach of the covenant between Libraries and creators and companies. Here is one for Elon Musk, as if companies are allowed to impinge on the ground of libraries who have always lent books in a controlled way then where does your "free speech" and democracy go? Profits over free speech and public access? what are these US legals doing? Soon all information will be behind paywalls if these publishers have their way and free speech and democracy will go the way of the dinosaur.
Well, the only safe solution is that we all keep a small portion of the archives in our hard drives and if the site ever goes down, we can restore at least a part of it if some one else wants to found another archive.
I wouldn't be surprised if publishing companies are somehow paying these hackers to ruin it behind the scenes. What other incentive would there be for hackers to attack a website that hosts tons of content otherwise inaccessible to them and the rest of the public?
Corporations will never be able to grasp the idea of Freedom
Yeah pretty much. Shit, I'm even a capitalist but there's more to life than just money.
@@tylertheguy3160I dunno, you kinda need money to have even a decent life.
You guys talking about a "decent" life and survival...
That's what perpetuates all this mine, mine, mine. There are many people now and in the past who lived very contentedly on the most basic subsistence.
@@ToonyTails I agree, but people often do incredibly reckless shit in the name of money. Losing the Internet Archive would basically be the modern version of the burning of the library of Alexandria and they don't give a shit.
@@sahamal_savu the only people who are “mine, mine, mine” are Corporations that basically have control over the laws through bribes and lobbying against people who simply want to own a good product from their hard earned money.
9:50 The music industry: "Being content through a streaming service equals preservation"
THE FUCK IT IS! Their DRM systems prevent anybody from safekeeping copies of the music they paid for. That's not preservation.
This is pretty much the modern burning of the Library of Alexandria. This is terrible! 😞😞
I couldn't agree more, this is depressing.
No, the library of Alexandria wasn't as bad a loss. Copies of all it's books were in other libraries.
@@elgoog-the-third You take an allusion to a tragic loss of knowledge very literally, and you're mass replying to everyone mentioning it in order to correct them. Cool your autism bro.
@@elgoog-the-thirdTrue, but the original copies though were destroyed.
I was hoping you'd be able to make clear what we could do to help
Donate some money to the IA I guess?
Exactly tf thank you bro I'm not watching this video
Unfortunately it’s hard to say. With how capitalistic and anti consumer everything is becoming, any voices us commonfolk have would probably be drowned out even if we banded together. That’s the worst part, books, movies and the music industry are a much different beast than a video game publisher and even then those publishers are starting to adapt. I think the only solution is really to continue pirating.
He's probably counting on it to be lost so he can make more videos 😂
Stop trying to get rid of Internet Archive, We need it to stay alive!❤️📺🎶👍🏻#SaveInternetArchive
Rich gotta rich. History can be controlled and changed by those with the most coin, connections, crews, clout, computer codes, control, corporate communities, and opulent opportunities. If you don't have that ish, then you ain't *sheet.* That's REALITY. Deal with it.
--an award-winning yet utterly invisible author of 600,000 words & 350+ non-A.I. illustrations
This is why holding onto PHYSICAL media is so important.
If enough people can hold onto their collections of books, movies, music, and other medias and keep them preserved maybe they can be saved until such a time where they could be backed up digitally without fear.
So save them. Don’t sell them or get rid of them. Copy them physically and share them if you can get away with it.
the medium doesn't matter much. Backup backup backup!
I see the main culprit in the duration of the copyright. It expires 70 years after the death of the author. IMO this so ridiculous. Work of a greedy lobby took our rights. We should cut it down to like with patents, 20 years after publishing that is.
Mexican copyright durations are life plus a hundred years long, which is horrifying when both the German publishing mob and even the Japanese publishing yakuza are beaten to the punch by the Mexican publishing cartel itself!
The internet archive cannot catch a break, can they?
Nope, they're constantly getting ransacked by the second it seems like
They seem fine for now.
It's incredibly important that we make everything as awful as possible all the time.
Capitalism baby!
@@rogerk6180 like socialism has made your life so great
As soon as they announced the "emergency " library I knew they were done for.
About all of this situation: it may be illegal, but it is certainly right.
Forgetting to mention with hackers and government going more and more pro big businesses helping to undermine public domain laws.
Yeah, I unfortunately think the same because big businesses have to shrink or otherwise they’ll end up like the Dutch East India company. It’s still pretty bad when even a few once-popular now-dormant franchises need reprints every now and then. Being too pro-corporation may not work in the long run anyway.
@SlapstickGenius23 Go read the original copyright law. Basically, everything these corporations depend on to survive would be entering the public domain now. The only reason corporations are so determined to destroy preservation efforts because they want you to shut up and buy their now generally far inferior modern versions.
I hate copyright, we literally live in an age where nothing could become lost media again, but unfortunately rights holders just want to make the things they hold the rights to disappear for some reason
I will never buy a book from Hachette, Penguin, Wiley, or Harper-Collins since they did this. Piracy of their books is not merely "defensible", it's a moral obligation. Driving them out of business is a moral imperative. The people who attacked the Archive recently went after the wrong site, regardless of how bad their security was.
i was told the internet is forever.
Never was, never has been. The internet is for how long people care.
Nothing was, is, or will be forever.
"Forever" I never believe that nonsense.
I'm really glad more mainstream news outlets are covering this. This needs to blow up; it needs to be treated as a huge deal. If I could donate any money, I would. ❤️❤️❤️
Corporations and record labels have got be the scummiest pieces of shit on earth. Bar none. Not only are they extremely stubborn and out of touch, but they straight up just have no mercy for anyone.
That's a very antisemitic comment.
@@folksurvivalwhat
@@folksurvivalhow the fuck is that antisemitic?
Honestly, the fact that copyright law allows companies to retaliate against legitimate preservation (because maintaining the media but not letting people access it does not count as preservation, that is vaulting!) is just sickening. The fact that the works of Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, and many MANY more people who have been deceased for longer than most people alive, are not in the public domain is absurd. Copyright now ONLY benefits the publisher, because creators are not even allowed to keep or at least distribute the IP they work on!
Save what you need, folks. Crying shame. Something will rise from the ashes with curatiom and controls to stave off legal issues but I think the real loss here is the Wayback Machine's being at risk. I worry about the rest but preserved *Internet* is an altogether different beast than needing to find backups of old podcasts again (gross exaggeration but just the same).
They want the memory of the internet being a Wild West of sorts to be erased. Why should people know at one point you didn’t need credential’s and an id to look up how to make a cake?
It would be the most catastrophic event in 21st century.
If you don't realize what is going on or what is coming, you haven't been paying attention. They will memory hole everything.
This reminds me of the Napster issue in the early 2000s. Maybe South Park should do an episode ripping in to the publishers.
I still haven't forgiven Metallica for siding with the RIAA, it's like an abused partner siding with their abuser in court. Artists don't lick the boot
@@RadikAlice"I'm not an asshole like Metallica." - Mojo Nixon
"Napster bad! GREED GOOD! Ah ah ah ah!" 😂
I remember when people used to say once something is on the Internet it'll be there forever.
Would this be proof that the law hasn't caught up to how ubiquitous the Internet is? Maybe I'm phrasing that wrong, I don't know...
Most lawmakers are old fucks that don't even understand half of the shit they make laws pertaining to. Real "The internet is a series of tubes" type of energy.
Companies don’t see the internet as an ever expanding realm. They see it as a ripe world to be cut into pieces and force users to only dwell there. Look at how much they push for sites that need identification , location, data etc. the internet is no longer a place to hop on to ask a question. It’s a tool used to extract someone’s personal data and sell them bullshit. Back in the day there wasn’t much of an ad on a site and. It still ran just as well as it does today . Now your asked if they have your cookies, pay subscriptions , give you an ad every second . It’s literally twisted how much this new arena of humanity to play in has been destroyed by greed
I wish there was a way to make sure my piracy infringement ACTUALLY hurt the copyright holders.
I love the internet archive so much. A priceless resource.
we need them IT furries to help the IA out 😭🙏
I'm trying, man.
we're doing our best!!
I got 50 TB of storage, saving as much stuff as possible.
@@XeonFolf GOT DAYUM 😲
@@XeonFolf how much does 50 TB usually cost?
Let's be honest, there is probably more than one internet archive archive, each one bigger than the archive itself, only accessible to those willing dive below the surface. The data will never go away, but the ease of access is what is at stake here.
This is gonna break my heart for real
For governments and corporations, money is more important that culture and knowledge.
Screw their stupid laws.
Were those hacker idiots ever thrown in jail?
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if the hackers turned out to have been paid by the companies
Given that their "motivations" make no sense (being pro palestine but also making islamophobic statements), its like 90% chance
The hackers backed off because someone told on them. They were unfortunately grounded.
Fortunately*
@@abluefishh8402 idk they might be saying the whistleblower was grounded
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!!!!!
even worse, it IS a museum 😭
"SO AS YOU"
We need to archive the archive.
For god's sake people, *DO SOMETHING!*
This lawsuit will likely go all the way to the supreme court, and copyright law will change no matter the result.
I have donated multiple times, and have now decided to donate monthly. Fight the good fight! We should all try to pursue knowledge, and strive to preserve culture and ideas! 💪❤
The dangers of poor management
Internet Archive sounds like a worthy cause. It needs to be preserved and allowed to do what it does.
All I'm hearing is a bunch of millionaires crying over money that equates to pennies for them. Womp womp, Imma continue pirating
Third party developers need to create a fully decentralized network that allows we the people collectively to download and backup the entire archive. While one person or even one very large company would find backing this up to be daunting, tens of millions of us cooperating and donating some space on our devices, could easily do it. As for the law, when the law is not applied equally then there is no law, and the law is dead. We live in a world where what corporations want is allowed, and what the people want not only isn't allowed, but the people continue to be manipulated by those companies through various means. Until this corruption is purged from society, any and all forms of so-called internet piracy, are completely and absolutely justified. A lot more than one person has made detailed videos on this subject. Its a bold statement, but its a true statement. This isn't about the rights of people who create content, this is about big tech slowly but surely trying to control more and more of every aspect of our lives. And it only continues for as long as we the people comply with it. So-called internet piracy does not hurt these companies in any way. But maybe we the people need to work harder at making it hurt them. Which ironically keeps getting easier the more they push all of the DEI lecturing and overall continuing to make worse and worse things that no one wants to put their money to because they suck so bad.
I still don't think IA is going to die, though. On a good note, Epic Games is blessed and is actually fine with that both Unreal and Unreal Tournament are free on the Internet Archive.
We're not just talking about books, movies, games, etc. But there's so much actual real-world history and culture on here that will be lost. I'm genuinely terrified of the Archive shutting down, and feel so bad I can't help cause I'm just a kid with not much money to donate. :(
"The Music Modernization Act" is, like most legislation, Orwellian in its naming. It does nothing to modernize the music industry or update the law in accord with modern technology, it simply extends the reach of already-overreaching copyright law.
The more things like this happen, the more I want to aggressively shorten copyright durations. Consider that a PATENT, the information of a physical INVENTION or lifesaving technology, expires after 16 years; why, then, does ownership of a doodle or fanfic-tier writing last nearly a century?
Copyright should be 20 years or the lifespan of the author. The 20 year window is a point of grace for publishers who purchase work from an author near the end of his life, so they can make profit from it when it is hot and fresh. By the time children who were raised on a work in their preteen years become full fledged adults waxing nostalgic, it should be public domain content with no ability to challenge remakes, parodies, and shoddy knockoffs.
This. With current law it basically never expires and they keep "modernizing" law so they can keep it for longer and longer. It's insane and it stifles both culture and creativity.
Aren't a lot of those songs technically public domain now? Not sure how it works for music but I know most copyrights from 1880 to the late 1920s have expired.
If the Internet Archive were eradicated, so would our ONLY means of saving deleted or privated UA-cam videos! Somebody PLEASE help! 😭 🙏
Buy your media secondhand (or become a swashbuckler) to boycott the greedy RIAA and publishers.