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I Felt that Dirac in my Denon is around 6dB louder, so If audyssey is calibrated at 75dB and 0dB is reference level, in Dirac what is the reference level? 82% 0dB or -6dB? Really dont get it
@@MadAudiofficial yes exactly this Mic! May be a bug? I see gene Della Salla and sound United Guy talking about that but dont understand, In audioholics, Did you see that vídeo?
Marantz Cinema 50 owner here. I bought the Marantz mistakenly thinking the Dirac would be included. After using the Audyssey that completely sucks, and recovering from the Dirac sticker shock, this video has convinced me to move forward with the Dirac. New subscriber also.
Interesting video. My biggest concern with Dirac is the price. For now, I am keeping my Marantz SR8015. I am currently a fan of the fairly new, free, Audyssey One script. No need to buy a calibrated mic, the script takes advantage of the REW beta to process the ADY file. I was super impressed how much better my 5.1.4 system sounded. I was blown away how good this free tool works. And before someone corrects me, the Audyssey One script does require you buy the $20 Audyssey MultEQ app for your phone.
I used to have the app, yes was around 20$ , also they have a dedicated PC Software with a better interface that is also interesting l, but i never tested!
I just found AV1 Evo right on time since he just finished it (it is final now, called Maestro). I am familiar with REW, so I mostly know what he is doing, and it is fantastic that he automated it. That would take a long time to do manually. It may do a better job than Dirac. I am not spending $600 to find out. Biggest advantage that Dirac has (REW as well) is the UMIK-1. It is much better than the Audyssey mic, which makes a big difference. Very disappointing that the Audyssey MultEQ-X does not let you use the UMIK-1 and instead wants you to buy a calibrated version of the one that comes in the box for $80.
Thanks for the great initial impressions! By the way, you're not supposed to leave the foam on the UMIK-1 when you are measuring inside, they have a point on this in the FAQ that it makes it a bit less sensitive.
Thank you so much for this review! For me the decision to go for an X4800H with dirac live full bandwidth. We have a beautiful house but it's all super flat and reflective surfaces. I never had a good spatial sound with my previous Denon with audisy, a to bumpy bass and ( as you discovered) a center that laked clarity and sync with the picture when playing a movie. When listening to music there was a left, a center and a right speaker to determine. Not a well balanced band or concerto playing for you. With Dirac it as if everything is perfect: timing, the bass, the clarity, the accuracy of voices and instrument and the sound is spacious wow. It's as if my I now have a perfect room created just for listening music an watching movies. Yet if yo see it it is all so not right ;-)
@madaudiofficial I have done now a few measurements and i find the sound now very flat. If i now look at the measurements it's measuring frequencies from >1khz with -16db. The filter it's proposing to correct those freq with to -3db . Which makes the sound lacking all the warmed it had. Any idea how to fix this? Can i send you the screenshots to an account you have?
Thanks for the review. I am considerung the Denon x4800H for my home theatre and hence I am interested in Dirac Live. Question: If you had to choose only one option for your home theatre: physical accoustic treatment or Dirac Live. Which one would you choose? Tricky question, I know…
I think you need both things, physical acoustic treatment suitable under 50 Hz is really expensive and need space, GIK Acoustics for example have this tuned active membrane designed specifically on your mode room issue but are are big and you need a lot of them. At the same time, any digital correction software can do miracles with reverberation time and comb filtering problems, so.. my choice is a light physical acoustic treatment that does impact too much the room design (Vicoustic or GIK are my favourite) and a good correction software like DIRAC 👍🏽
I was waiting for this one :) Because of my untreated room I used REW and a (Mini) DSP for manual correction, however, never got the bass correct. After I got the Dirac Live plugin (full range), everything worked out like magic. Pinpoint accuracy and great punchy bass. Great review MA, very accurate, thanks for your effort!
@@MadAudiofficial I have svs sb 3000 sub. No matter what how many times I calibrate my speakers, I am not getting enough bass forget about punchiness . How can I fix the minimal presence of bass? I checked in the distance section and only sub has 0 ms unlike others
@11eagleye position is the key, you can have the best subwoofer but if not placed in the right spot of the room just forget about have good bass or bass at all! I suggest to buy a mic and learn to use REW👌🏾
@@11eagleye97 For example, you can calibrate all you want, but when your roomacoustics cancels certain bass frequencies (a null), Dirac or manual DSP can't really compensate for that. Do a search on 'subwoofer crawl' to find the best sub position. Also, there's bass and bass; mid-bass and sub-bass, where mid-bass is usually produced by your speakers self, so a sub won't really help there. Like MA suggested, REW and an Umik-1 mic can help you measure and find the problem spots in your frequency range. Sometimes positioning your speakers can solve issues, but without measurements it's not that easy.
Very interesting and clear video. Congratulations. I have a question. Does Dirac measure levels AND distances or are the distances to be measured manuallybefore beginning the calibration? If manually, how can we take into account the delay caused by the DSP of many subs? Thank you.
Hello, thanks for the great review. I just purchased a Marantz 8015 for a price less than or near that of the Cinema 40. Technically, the 8015 should exceed the 40 in sound quality, better amp layout, bigger power supply, 11 channels of amplification, 13 channels of processing, etc. I wonder whether the additional cost for the cinema 40 + Dirac would be worth a change from the 8015. What are your thoughts?
i have been asking the same question on every forum going never get an answer as my 8012 good and preff music is 80% seems 8015 better power supply and more power
Well as i said in this video Dirac compare it to Audyssey is a next level in bass management, so if u have bass problem i will for sure take it in consideration!
@WMVIDEO60 Regarding power just take a look of my Cinema 40 review, basically it doesn't have enough power to really pusch 9 speakers, specially if with 4 ohm of impedance and low sensitivity, so u will to take in consideration an external multichannel amp at least for LCR!
Hi as you mentioned in your previous video when you ran all 7 bed layers with the emotiva you could here tonal difference with the atmos height speakers so just ran the front 3 with the emotiva & that sound good. Are you still running the front LCR with the emotiva I’m torn between the sr8015 & cinema 40 I have m&k s150 speakers which are 4ohm Thinking perhaps cinema 40 & maybe emotiva 3 channel amp what are your thoughts?
Sorry, I am a beginner and I want to get started with a speaker system. Doesn't the receiver come with a microphone? How come you purchased another one?
Don't worry, what you mean with speaker system? Home Theater? Denon/Marantz Receiver microphone doesn't work with Dirac, u need to purchase the Umik 1 or a compatible one.
I’m curious if you’ve compared the audio of “all channels” on the Cinema 40 vs using the Emotiva XPA for your LCR after you enabled Dirac, specifically whether the loss of fine detail and tonality change still occurs.
Yes i did and with Dirac you will not change nothing of any Amplifier Tonality, is like to say that Dirac is able to match different brand speaker, is not for that!
Top reviewer. Answered a lot of questions. Trying to decide between last years and this years model after testing several brands coming from an older Marantz. Only one so far has given me the spaciousness along with detail that I’m looking for. Just so happens to be one of last years models that doesn’t include Dirac. So this may have pushed me toward the newer model. I do prefer a wide soundstage compared to the narrow more focused imaging though so it’s tough.
My room has some acoustic treatment at the back wall and first reflection points, I'm using two SVS SB 1000 Pro subwoofers. With the Audessey App on my phone only after three measurements the sound improved a lot, bass is plenty from 20 Hz and (most important) evenly distributed. I just tested Dirac Live Full Bandwidth (Denon X3800H) and at least for me it's not worth the money. Maybe DLBC will be the gamechanger but so far Audessey is just as good.
@@MadAudiofficialI’m debating getting the Dirac license on sale right now and worried the difference won’t be audible. lol. I have a 5.1.4 setup. Denon x3800.
Ho fatto dei veloci test anche io, ma per ora ho utilizzato il microfono di audyssey e il trasmettitore rode per far credere al Mac che fosse un microfono usb. Online ho trovato un file di calibrazione che ho utilizzato. Confermo i bassi ora sono molto più presenti e pieni, il mio cinema 50 sembra un altro amplificatore.
@@MadAudiofficialif you said the base level of Dirac calibrates the delays with multiple subwoofers (and replacing the need for a miniDSP), would would Dirac Bass Management even do on top of that?
Thanks for your review of Dirac on the Marantz Cinema 40! I’m having some trouble with Dirac on my Cinema 40. I keep getting 0 dB on each speaker after running Dirac. That’s not normal, right? Dirac is creating the distances in ms and it varies slightly by .1 etc when I rerun Dirac but is always very close. Also, should Dirac be setting suggested crossovers because that isn’t changing either after I upload the most recent mic listening file from Dirac to the Cinema 40. Or am I supposed to decide crossovers in advance and commit to that? Help! (Very appreciated) Thx, Andy
What you mean with 0db? Distance or delay are calculated by Dirac in ms so that's fine that speaker are not closer, regarding crossover you have to set it manually (80hz is a good starting point if your speaker are able to reproduce it) with next Dirac live base control upgrade (begin of next year) will be done in automatic! Hope that's helps!
@@MadAudiofficial I think I just figured it out. I checked for a newer version of Dirac as I had v3.3.3 and just now updated to v3.4.4. It took a long time to load my Dirac file but made some import changes (feedback on the screen told me this) and then I tried exporting my file again and now I have levels that are all different as you’d expect, -3.5db, -2.0dB etc. Before the update each speaker was 0dB for me after running Dirac on v3.3.3.
I love Marantz and have been loyal for over 15 years. But it is very disappointing that my Cinema 30 was $4500, and I need to spend another $700 for Dirac when people can get a $1000 Onkyo, which comes with it. I have bought the SR5008, SR6009, SR7008, SR6013, AV7705, MM8077, MM7055, and now the Cinema 30. It makes me want to return the Cinema 30 and hook my 7705 back up. A Dirac code would be nice if included for Cinema 30 and AV10 flagships. Especially because you can spend $700, and it might not even be better than MultEQ-X, which is $500 less
I had half the same issue as you - Dirac on my Cinema 40 did set unique distances in ms for each speaker, but ALL of my speaker levels are set to 0 db post Dirac. Is that normal?
I have 4 subs. Until base control comes out, I can't see my experience being better with dirac. My speakers don't need much eq, and dirac live doesn't do multiple subs correctly. I'm also not buying a minidsp when multeq-x does all that stuff for me(multeq-x is very very good with eq headroom and disabling autoleveling)
I only have two subs, but since Dirac adds phase correction, it was a massive improvement in my bass. I too thought my bass was really good before, but Dirac does a great job of getting both subs and mains all in phase together. Before, I was using MiniDSP to adjust the timing to each sub to get them in better phase, which worked pretty well, but Dirac has done a much better job as it must be adjusting phase not just by speaker, but by the frequency. Without the bass management in Dirac, you simply have to set your own crossover points, but it definitively does adjust multiple subs (at least I know it does 2).
@@WillyLax24 even dirac themselves do not recommend that. Dirac treats your sub like a speaker. It will set each sub to 75db instead of setting the sum of your subs to 75db. Also, it is better to correct the response of all subs together as 1 channel, not each individually
@@Cblan1224 not sure what exactly you are saying I did that Dirac does not recommend, but the results are excellent. One aid of my room is open and there is more space behind that sub, so each sub in my system must be individually adjusted. That being said, I adjust them so they are working together and not canceling each other out. With Audessy, my two subs cancel each other out significantly. With Audessy, I have to use the MiniDSP to adjust the PEQ and timing on ench sub to get them to work together, but with Dirac, it not only did not need any tweaking with the MiniDSP, but it did a better job than I was able to manually do with the MiniDSP. I understand that Dirac might not be compensating for the sub’s volume being combined, but it is easy enough to adjust the sub volume to your taste. The end result with Dirac is that I am getting almost a perfect Harmon Curve at my listening position with my two main speakers and subs.
@Willy Dirac doesn't recommend their "base" product for multiple subwoofers - at least not without the use of something like a miniDSP, or subs that have their own DSP (like SVS). This doesn't mean you can't use it. And, with two subwoofers, when identical, placed in good locations, and level matched, you may not need any DSP, but since Dirac w/o Bass Control does nothing for multiple subs, its why they do not recommend using it.
This video is completely biased as the poster says himself. He compares using Dirac with a calibrated microphone and laptop to process his audio versus using the built in audyessy on the AVR. MultEQ-X with calibrated mic is cheaper than Dirac Live. And guess what? Both of them perform the same. I know because I have a Denon A1H and run both Dirac AND Multeq-X.
This isn’t anywhere near as good as the Masimo Consumer Training video called Dirac Live: Step by Step Walk-through of the Denon/Mirantz. Same steps apply to all components that support Dirac Live, so watch that video instead of this one for a much more comprehensive overview.
Thanks for the video but it's useless. To begin with, this comparison is not objective or rigorous. Since it uses Dirac from 20 Hz to 20 Khz, it had to have Audyssey Multeq-x and not the normal version. If we look at minute 14:36 roughly, Dirac (green line) rises more vs Audyssey (blue line) at 250 Hz, 550 Hz and at 1.4 Khz without counting the +4.3 db boost in the bass zone. Above the response of the sub equalized is totally different: In Audyssey it starts to drop from 50 to 30 Hz and in Dirac it is more linear. The RT is not solved with equalization, it is necessary to use acoustic treatment. It would be good if you put the .mdat file to see the measurements on the acoustics of the room, The little that is seen of the RT is quite unbalanced in frequencies. Greetings
Dear Juan, thx for the feedback, that's exactly what we saw in the comparison measures (by the way Audyssey correction is done 20Hz to 20 Khz and was about compare free Audyssey vs Dirac Live). Is look like Dirac live doesn't try to do much correction in the frequency response cause is taking in consideration other parameters also like distortion ecc. So what i saw in the frequency response didn't reflect the subjective test, with a more neutral and clean Tonality when Dirac live was enable.thx for watching
@@MadAudiofficial I already imagine that Audyssey works in the entire frequency range up to 20 Khz as the full Dirac license but I keep saying that this comparison is not objective or rigorous. You have to compare with Audyssey Multeq-x and have the same frequency response and spl in both calibrations to be able to switch and do a more objective and rigorous test. Everything that is not that is still a personal opinion, respectable but subjective.
@Juan José dear Juan, this channel is focusing on subjective opinion! I found objective intresting but not relevant in the end since sight and hearing are two different apparatus..
@@MadAudiofficial I am glad to read that you say that this channel focuses on a subjective opinion, so people will know what to expect from one room calibration vs another. If you are encouraged, you will already make a video with measurements with REW of the acoustics of your room. Without further ado, greetings from Spain.
@@MadAudiofficial Also MultiEQ-X requires prior knowledge to exploit it fully, with Dirac you take the calibration and usually you just have to tweak a couple of parameters when with Audissey it's time confusing and good knowledge is required to make it sounds close to Dirac. Most of the people out there will definitely not want to loose days tweaking all the parameters. In my room Dirac made a huge improvement, that with Audissey MultEQ-X was achieved after spending days testing all the different settings.
EVERY audio channel!!, they buy a SUPER SENSITIVE MIC and then DONT FILTER OUT MOUTH NOISES!!.. i don't want to hear the shmegma smacking inside your mouth... its gross.. stop.. if we are watching an audio channel most of us have very sensitive audio systems. WE HEAR EVERYTHING.
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I Felt that Dirac in my Denon is around 6dB louder, so If audyssey is calibrated at 75dB and 0dB is reference level, in Dirac what is the reference level? 82% 0dB or -6dB? Really dont get it
@thiagodelgado3128 didn't experience any changes in the vol. between them, strange, wich mic did you used with Dirac?
@@MadAudiofficial the Mic bought separately, I Also have a Yamaha aventage and hás the same impression but with default mic
@thiagodelgado3128 yes wich mic do u use with Dirac? I suggest the Umik-1
@@MadAudiofficial yes exactly this Mic! May be a bug? I see gene Della Salla and sound United Guy talking about that but dont understand, In audioholics, Did you see that vídeo?
Marantz Cinema 50 owner here.
I bought the Marantz mistakenly thinking the Dirac would be included.
After using the Audyssey that completely sucks, and recovering from the Dirac sticker shock, this video has convinced me to move forward with the Dirac. New subscriber also.
@@shaymcquaid Thx for sharing this 🙏🏽
Interesting video. My biggest concern with Dirac is the price. For now, I am keeping my Marantz SR8015. I am currently a fan of the fairly new, free, Audyssey One script. No need to buy a calibrated mic, the script takes advantage of the REW beta to process the ADY file. I was super impressed how much better my 5.1.4 system sounded. I was blown away how good this free tool works. And before someone corrects me, the Audyssey One script does require you buy the $20 Audyssey MultEQ app for your phone.
I used to have the app, yes was around 20$ , also they have a dedicated PC Software with a better interface that is also interesting l, but i never tested!
@@MadAudiofficial MultEQ-X is worth it IMO
I just found AV1 Evo right on time since he just finished it (it is final now, called Maestro). I am familiar with REW, so I mostly know what he is doing, and it is fantastic that he automated it. That would take a long time to do manually. It may do a better job than Dirac. I am not spending $600 to find out. Biggest advantage that Dirac has (REW as well) is the UMIK-1. It is much better than the Audyssey mic, which makes a big difference. Very disappointing that the Audyssey MultEQ-X does not let you use the UMIK-1 and instead wants you to buy a calibrated version of the one that comes in the box for $80.
Thanks for the great initial impressions! By the way, you're not supposed to leave the foam on the UMIK-1 when you are measuring inside, they have a point on this in the FAQ that it makes it a bit less sensitive.
Thanks for the info👍🏽
Thank you so much for this review! For me the decision to go for an X4800H with dirac live full bandwidth. We have a beautiful house but it's all super flat and reflective surfaces. I never had a good spatial sound with my previous Denon with audisy, a to bumpy bass and ( as you discovered) a center that laked clarity and sync with the picture when playing a movie. When listening to music there was a left, a center and a right speaker to determine. Not a well balanced band or concerto playing for you. With Dirac it as if everything is perfect: timing, the bass, the clarity, the accuracy of voices and instrument and the sound is spacious wow. It's as if my I now have a perfect room created just for listening music an watching movies. Yet if yo see it it is all so not right ;-)
@madaudiofficial I have done now a few measurements and i find the sound now very flat. If i now look at the measurements it's measuring frequencies from >1khz with -16db. The filter it's proposing to correct those freq with to -3db . Which makes the sound lacking all the warmed it had. Any idea how to fix this? Can i send you the screenshots to an account you have?
It better had to be 300% better then Audyssey for that extra price. Glad to see it's the case in your room.
Thanks for the review. I am considerung the Denon x4800H for my home theatre and hence I am interested in Dirac Live. Question: If you had to choose only one option for your home theatre: physical accoustic treatment or Dirac Live. Which one would you choose? Tricky question, I know…
I think you need both things, physical acoustic treatment suitable under 50 Hz is really expensive and need space, GIK Acoustics for example have this tuned active membrane designed specifically on your mode room issue but are are big and you need a lot of them. At the same time, any digital correction software can do miracles with reverberation time and comb filtering problems, so.. my choice is a light physical acoustic treatment that does impact too much the room design (Vicoustic or GIK are my favourite) and a good correction software like DIRAC 👍🏽
I was waiting for this one :) Because of my untreated room I used REW and a (Mini) DSP for manual correction, however, never got the bass correct. After I got the Dirac Live plugin (full range), everything worked out like magic. Pinpoint accuracy and great punchy bass.
Great review MA, very accurate, thanks for your effort!
My pleasure 🙏
@@MadAudiofficial I have svs sb 3000 sub. No matter what how many times I calibrate my speakers, I am not getting enough bass forget about punchiness . How can I fix the minimal presence of bass? I checked in the distance section and only sub has 0 ms unlike others
@11eagleye position is the key, you can have the best subwoofer but if not placed in the right spot of the room just forget about have good bass or bass at all! I suggest to buy a mic and learn to use REW👌🏾
@@11eagleye97
For example, you can calibrate all you want, but when your roomacoustics cancels certain bass frequencies (a null), Dirac or manual DSP can't really compensate for that. Do a search on 'subwoofer crawl' to find the best sub position. Also, there's bass and bass; mid-bass and sub-bass, where mid-bass is usually produced by your speakers self, so a sub won't really help there.
Like MA suggested, REW and an Umik-1 mic can help you measure and find the problem spots in your frequency range. Sometimes positioning your speakers can solve issues, but without measurements it's not that easy.
@@MadAudiofficial Thanks!! I am buying Umik1 as recommended by you. I will let you know how it goes once I calibrate with mic and REW.
Very interesting and clear video. Congratulations. I have a question. Does Dirac measure levels AND distances or are the distances to be measured manuallybefore beginning the calibration? If manually, how can we take into account the delay caused by the DSP of many subs? Thank you.
Is everything done by Dirac live! U just need to perform the calibration, we will go in deep about it 23.04.2023 with a livestream.
@@MadAudiofficial Thank you very much.
Excellent comparison and articulated breakdown. Well worth the wait.
Spent all the week testing but i was also really curious about it and off course satisfied from the results..
dont we have to do speakers setup prior to this like distance, size, levels and also sub calibration etc.
Thanks for the detailed impressions. How would the movies sound quality compare with your Yamaha setup after the Marantz is Dirac calibrated?
Just take a look of the Cinema 40 review for the details, but DIRAC is a game changer compare it to Audyssey or YPAO !
@@MadAudiofficial PLEASE…TELL US WHY 🤔🤗💚💚💚
Hello, thanks for the great review. I just purchased a Marantz 8015 for a price less than or near that of the Cinema 40. Technically, the 8015 should exceed the 40 in sound quality, better amp layout, bigger power supply, 11 channels of amplification, 13 channels of processing, etc. I wonder whether the additional cost for the cinema 40 + Dirac would be worth a change from the 8015. What are your thoughts?
i have been asking the same question on every forum going never get an answer as my 8012 good and preff music is 80% seems 8015 better power supply and more power
Well as i said in this video Dirac compare it to Audyssey is a next level in bass management, so if u have bass problem i will for sure take it in consideration!
@WMVIDEO60 Regarding power just take a look of my Cinema 40 review, basically it doesn't have enough power to really pusch 9 speakers, specially if with 4 ohm of impedance and low sensitivity, so u will to take in consideration an external multichannel amp at least for LCR!
Hi as you mentioned in your previous video when you ran all 7 bed layers with the emotiva you could here tonal difference with the atmos height speakers so just ran the front 3 with the emotiva & that sound good.
Are you still running the front LCR with the emotiva I’m torn between the sr8015 & cinema 40 I have m&k s150 speakers which are 4ohm
Thinking perhaps cinema 40 & maybe emotiva 3 channel amp what are your thoughts?
@@leegoodall8682 what did you end up getting? I also have the MK's and was torn between these two.😢
Great video. Really helpful. Thanks!
Thank you
Great video. Not sure if this was asked, but what version of Audyssey did you use? Did you use the mobile or PC app?
Thx, mobile!
Sorry, I am a beginner and I want to get started with a speaker system. Doesn't the receiver come with a microphone? How come you purchased another one?
Don't worry, what you mean with speaker system? Home Theater? Denon/Marantz Receiver microphone doesn't work with Dirac, u need to purchase the Umik 1 or a compatible one.
@MadAudiofficial I meant having a home theater speaker configuration. Thank you for letting me know the microphone situation!
ciao mad ,dovresti provare la nuova applicazione evo che è gratuita e dirci come si comporta
I’m curious if you’ve compared the audio of “all channels” on the Cinema 40 vs using the Emotiva XPA for your LCR after you enabled Dirac, specifically whether the loss of fine detail and tonality change still occurs.
Yes i did and with Dirac you will not change nothing of any Amplifier Tonality, is like to say that Dirac is able to match different brand speaker, is not for that!
Did you try Audyssey multi EQ-X? I have bass control Dirac but i want to know about X also ;)
Top reviewer. Answered a lot of questions. Trying to decide between last years and this years model after testing several brands coming from an older Marantz. Only one so far has given me the spaciousness along with detail that I’m looking for. Just so happens to be one of last years models that doesn’t include Dirac. So this may have pushed me toward the newer model. I do prefer a wide soundstage compared to the narrow more focused imaging though so it’s tough.
My room has some acoustic treatment at the back wall and first reflection points, I'm using two SVS SB 1000 Pro subwoofers. With the Audessey App on my phone only after three measurements the sound improved a lot, bass is plenty from 20 Hz and (most important) evenly distributed. I just tested Dirac Live Full Bandwidth (Denon X3800H) and at least for me it's not worth the money. Maybe DLBC will be the gamechanger but so far Audessey is just as good.
Intresting, what didn't convince you about Dirac live, or what do you prefer about Audyssey? Thx for the feedback by the way.
Dirac might improve on Denon's audyssey but nothing is going to improve Denon's 2 channel stereo audio.
@@MadAudiofficialI’m debating getting the Dirac license on sale right now and worried the difference won’t be audible. lol. I have a 5.1.4 setup. Denon x3800.
@UnitedRedDevil13 which speakers model do you have?
@@MadAudiofficial L&R klipsch rp 600m. Center klipsch 404c. My sub is an sb2000 pro
Did you hear difference between 40 and 50 Marantz?
Ho fatto dei veloci test anche io, ma per ora ho utilizzato il microfono di audyssey e il trasmettitore rode per far credere al Mac che fosse un microfono usb. Online ho trovato un file di calibrazione che ho utilizzato. Confermo i bassi ora sono molto più presenti e pieni, il mio cinema 50 sembra un altro amplificatore.
Prendi il Mini DSP Umik-1!
@@MadAudiofficial si sì già preso, arriverà domani 😉
Thank you!
You didn’t get the bass management?
Is still not available for Marantz and Denon...
@@MadAudiofficialif you said the base level of Dirac calibrates the delays with multiple subwoofers (and replacing the need for a miniDSP), would would Dirac Bass Management even do on top of that?
Thanks for your review of Dirac on the Marantz Cinema 40! I’m having some trouble with Dirac on my Cinema 40. I keep getting 0 dB on each speaker after running Dirac. That’s not normal, right? Dirac is creating the distances in ms and it varies slightly by .1 etc when I rerun Dirac but is always very close. Also, should Dirac be setting suggested crossovers because that isn’t changing either after I upload the most recent mic listening file from Dirac to the Cinema 40. Or am I supposed to decide crossovers in advance and commit to that? Help! (Very appreciated) Thx, Andy
What you mean with 0db? Distance or delay are calculated by Dirac in ms so that's fine that speaker are not closer, regarding crossover you have to set it manually (80hz is a good starting point if your speaker are able to reproduce it) with next Dirac live base control upgrade (begin of next year) will be done in automatic! Hope that's helps!
@@MadAudiofficial I think I just figured it out. I checked for a newer version of Dirac as I had v3.3.3 and just now updated to v3.4.4. It took a long time to load my Dirac file but made some import changes (feedback on the screen told me this) and then I tried exporting my file again and now I have levels that are all different as you’d expect, -3.5db, -2.0dB etc. Before the update each speaker was 0dB for me after running Dirac on v3.3.3.
I love Marantz and have been loyal for over 15 years. But it is very disappointing that my Cinema 30 was $4500, and I need to spend another $700 for Dirac when people can get a $1000 Onkyo, which comes with it. I have bought the SR5008, SR6009, SR7008, SR6013, AV7705, MM8077, MM7055, and now the Cinema 30. It makes me want to return the Cinema 30 and hook my 7705 back up. A Dirac code would be nice if included for Cinema 30 and AV10 flagships. Especially because you can spend $700, and it might not even be better than MultEQ-X, which is $500 less
@@m4nc1n1 thx for sharing your opinion👍🏽
I did Dirac Live calibration on Cinema 40. Why are levels set to 0 db and distances to 0 ms???
I had half the same issue as you - Dirac on my Cinema 40 did set unique distances in ms for each speaker, but ALL of my speaker levels are set to 0 db post Dirac. Is that normal?
@@andygorton332 No That’s not normal. I did new calibration from scratch and everything was fine.
very interesting!!!
Thx!
its like comparing spam in a can to a bone in ribeye steak cooked medium rare
I have 4 subs. Until base control comes out, I can't see my experience being better with dirac. My speakers don't need much eq, and dirac live doesn't do multiple subs correctly. I'm also not buying a minidsp when multeq-x does all that stuff for me(multeq-x is very very good with eq headroom and disabling autoleveling)
They offer to you all the tools that you need, u have to choose the one that is the best for you👍🏽
I only have two subs, but since Dirac adds phase correction, it was a massive improvement in my bass. I too thought my bass was really good before, but Dirac does a great job of getting both subs and mains all in phase together. Before, I was using MiniDSP to adjust the timing to each sub to get them in better phase, which worked pretty well, but Dirac has done a much better job as it must be adjusting phase not just by speaker, but by the frequency. Without the bass management in Dirac, you simply have to set your own crossover points, but it definitively does adjust multiple subs (at least I know it does 2).
@@WillyLax24 even dirac themselves do not recommend that.
Dirac treats your sub like a speaker. It will set each sub to 75db instead of setting the sum of your subs to 75db. Also, it is better to correct the response of all subs together as 1 channel, not each individually
@@Cblan1224 not sure what exactly you are saying I did that Dirac does not recommend, but the results are excellent. One aid of my room is open and there is more space behind that sub, so each sub in my system must be individually adjusted. That being said, I adjust them so they are working together and not canceling each other out. With Audessy, my two subs cancel each other out significantly. With Audessy, I have to use the MiniDSP to adjust the PEQ and timing on ench sub to get them to work together, but with Dirac, it not only did not need any tweaking with the MiniDSP, but it did a better job than I was able to manually do with the MiniDSP. I understand that Dirac might not be compensating for the sub’s volume being combined, but it is easy enough to adjust the sub volume to your taste. The end result with Dirac is that I am getting almost a perfect Harmon Curve at my listening position with my two main speakers and subs.
@Willy Dirac doesn't recommend their "base" product for multiple subwoofers - at least not without the use of something like a miniDSP, or subs that have their own DSP (like SVS).
This doesn't mean you can't use it. And, with two subwoofers, when identical, placed in good locations, and level matched, you may not need any DSP, but since Dirac w/o Bass Control does nothing for multiple subs, its why they do not recommend using it.
You should use Audyssey MQX and import REW curves. It’s fantastic
My experience with Dirac has not been good bass is dead for me while Audyssey doing much better job. Denon A1H
This video is completely biased as the poster says himself. He compares using Dirac with a calibrated microphone and laptop to process his audio versus using the built in audyessy on the AVR. MultEQ-X with calibrated mic is cheaper than Dirac Live. And guess what? Both of them perform the same. I know because I have a Denon A1H and run both Dirac AND Multeq-X.
I didn't see considerable difference also in his cherts between Audyssey and Dirac. Not sure why he's saying Dirac is better.
This isn’t anywhere near as good as the Masimo Consumer Training video called Dirac Live: Step by Step Walk-through of the Denon/Mirantz. Same steps apply to all components that support Dirac Live, so watch that video instead of this one for a much more comprehensive overview.
Thanks for the video but it's useless.
To begin with, this comparison is not objective or rigorous.
Since it uses Dirac from 20 Hz to 20 Khz, it had to have
Audyssey Multeq-x and not the normal version.
If we look at minute 14:36 roughly, Dirac (green line) rises more vs Audyssey (blue line) at 250 Hz, 550 Hz and at 1.4 Khz without counting the +4.3 db boost in the bass zone.
Above the response of the sub equalized is totally different:
In Audyssey it starts to drop from 50 to 30 Hz and in Dirac it is more linear.
The RT is not solved with equalization, it is necessary to use acoustic treatment.
It would be good if you put the .mdat file to see the measurements on the acoustics of the room,
The little that is seen of the RT is quite unbalanced in frequencies.
Greetings
Dear Juan, thx for the feedback, that's exactly what we saw in the comparison measures (by the way Audyssey correction is done 20Hz to 20 Khz and was about compare free Audyssey vs Dirac Live). Is look like Dirac live doesn't try to do much correction in the frequency response cause is taking in consideration other parameters also like distortion ecc. So what i saw in the frequency response didn't reflect the subjective test, with a more neutral and clean Tonality when Dirac live was enable.thx for watching
@@MadAudiofficial I already imagine that Audyssey works in the entire frequency range up to 20 Khz as the full Dirac license but I keep saying that this comparison is not objective or rigorous.
You have to compare with Audyssey Multeq-x and have the same frequency response and spl in both calibrations to be able to switch and do a more objective and rigorous test.
Everything that is not that is still a personal opinion, respectable but subjective.
@Juan José dear Juan, this channel is focusing on subjective opinion! I found objective intresting but not relevant in the end since sight and hearing are two different apparatus..
@@MadAudiofficial I am glad to read that you say that this channel focuses on a subjective opinion, so people will know what to expect from one room calibration vs another.
If you are encouraged, you will already make a video with measurements with REW of the acoustics of your room.
Without further ado, greetings from Spain.
@@MadAudiofficial Also MultiEQ-X requires prior knowledge to exploit it fully, with Dirac you take the calibration and usually you just have to tweak a couple of parameters when with Audissey it's time confusing and good knowledge is required to make it sounds close to Dirac. Most of the people out there will definitely not want to loose days tweaking all the parameters. In my room Dirac made a huge improvement, that with Audissey MultEQ-X was achieved after spending days testing all the different settings.
For me personally, I've found even YAPO way better than Audyssey.
Intresting, what do you prefer in YPAO compare it with Audyssey? I know they did some improvements, will test it soon..
Huh? What?
EVERY audio channel!!, they buy a SUPER SENSITIVE MIC and then DONT FILTER OUT MOUTH NOISES!!.. i don't want to hear the shmegma smacking inside your mouth... its gross.. stop.. if we are watching an audio channel most of us have very sensitive audio systems. WE HEAR EVERYTHING.
audessy is a joke
So Dirac sucks out bass
You should speak slower with that strong accent! Each word pronounce separately.