I've watched this video over a dozen times since SU&SD first made it. I think this was the point I realized they weren't just making good boardgame critiques but actual art. Don't be a grumple-hex, Paul.
I know! Remember when SU&SD were stressing out on their podcast because they needed 7-player games for a game night? Hah... *stares into middle distance*
As soon as I started watching this, I was like wait a minute, why is Christmas music playing? Must be a joke. And then I saw two people in a room together without masks and then said to myself, "This is not from 2020"
I'm relatively new to the channel so I just assumed economical hexoganal piece laying festival came after chess month, but then that jump scare. That jump scare of two people within 6 feet.
I like how even in old video I already can see all the components that I love in this channel all mixed with awkward pauses and jokes that go for too long I love the way they talk
I didn't expect such an emotional response watching you guys break character and laughing constantly. God I miss hanging out with my friends in person.
I know the creators of Suburbia(and the expansions) and helped beta test the games when in development, and I can say its a great game, even through the playtests, loads of fun, and many ways to play and win! Highly recommend! :D
9:59 I love these little scenes where the scene goes on for longer than it should so we see something funny and unscripted while the audio of the next scene already comes in.... I really like it tbh
i didn't know about su&sd back in 2013... but my favorite part about these videos is seeing what game shelves looked like back then. they matched mine! you can nail a year based on someone's shelves... just the big games from the most recent years front and center... that have over time been slowly shoved aside, then put into a closet (or sold altogether!)
I always saw those comments of "Seeing paul had me confused before i realized this was an old episode" and thought "how could that occur?" Then I saw Paul and got my hopes up :( Still a great episode though. Miss Paul of course, but glad SUSD is still making great content and rewarding us with these old gems too.
I didn't realize that Paul was such a hooligan. So, the red line represents Paul! But now I understand all the SU&SD ultraviolence. But you forgot to mention the PR firm tile in Suburbia. And how to win if someone else gets it. Thanks lads.
_Keys to the City: London_ is a "sequel" to Keyflower that in mechanisms is simpler, but the coloured canals you place can be a bit fiddly. And wasn't around in 2013.
Oh my goodness I haven't seen this video in so long. New Shut Up & Sit Down is obviously awesome but gosh there's something so great about these old videos. Quinns & Paul were just so excellent on camera together and there was really something to putting multiple reviews into one video.
I have a bit of an obsession with hexagonal tiles, mathematically, geometrically, and in games. Rhombic dodecahedra fill (tile) 3d space, and if you take the cross section of those at the vertices, you can actually find 4 distinct hexagonal tilings at offset angles from each other, as well ad 3 square tilings. I've put together a ton of hexagonal chess variants. I may be getting these just for the hex tiles.
Ever since i folded origami as a kid, i loved tessellated shapes. Then i cracked open battletech as a thirteen year old, and i was lost to the cult of the hexagon.
I LOVE these old reviews. While watching this review I've laughed harder than I have in a good long while. The chemistry between you two is just perfect. The next time you talk to Paul, please tell him how much I miss him. And thanks for re-uploading these old reviews. It's so good getting the chance to watch a couple friends have so much fun.
Writing this in 2020, Suburbia and Keyflower are still holding up very well and managed to still be very enjoyable games through 7 years of high tides of new games coming and going.
Damn I thought Paul was back.... then I saw a younger Quinn’s (he hasn’t agreed that much) and I thought we’re back baby. Then I thought it was a long lost video... then I remembered I’d seen it before.. (or had I ? Thanks matt) it was a re-up.... such an emotional roller coaster. I loved it haha. The video too!
Grumplehex is such a good word... It’d be a shame if I had unknowingly integrated it into my vocabulary for the last few years without knowing where it came from.
Trains is legit great. It's hard to explain and harder to see when you look at it on the table. Something about hand management AND ALSO area control is just the right amount of crunchy. Suburbia makes me sad. Even the app felt like it was just unfun.
Look I’m gonna level with you guys, I spent a good five seconds wondering which of us was the crazy one when you said it was December. 2020 does things to a person.
Played Suburbia for the first time (remotely!) this week and loved it. Thought I'd look up the SUSD take - an added pleasure to enjoy some Fondly Remembered Paul and Retro Quinns Hair.
One of my favourite old videos! I do slightly miss Paul's promotion of gentle Eurogames. Quinns and Matt have an incredible and engaging rapport, but they do clearly share a favourite genre (Social Bluffing Games For Cool Sexy Boys) which leaves me a little cold.
Keyflower is still such a fantastic game still in 2020, I would highly recommend it. It's a great worker placement game that doesn't miss out on interaction like most eurogame's tend to. Works great with 2 players works great with 6 players. Try it if you haven't played it!
As a counter voice: I've only played it with 6, but I find it absolutely awful. The mechanisms strongly go against any theme, the way bid owners are tracked is clunky unless you are playing at a round or hexagonal table, and the design is extremely AP prone... or alternatively if you want to avoid AP, it's highly maddening as people use stuff in your town blocking you from using it (which is likely to get you if you aren't watching everything). I've enjoyed other games in the Key series, but this one is just a mess. I don't know, but it might be okay with 2 or maybe even 3, but above that no way. It's complete garbage. (This is of course my opinion... well, actually 4 out of the 6 players with a 5th one being neutral. ) By the way, I won the game by a fair margin if that matters. Note: I'm not trying to disparage anyone that likes the game. I'm just offering a different opinion.
I'm one of the rare people who didn't enjoy Suburbia. Too dry for me, and the catch-up mechanism actually blocked other players from catching up. One of the rare games I sold. I can appreciate that it's a very well designed game though.
Theme's important to me in a game, and I actually prefer Suburbia _because_ of its theme. It's the only board game I've yet seen that scratches that SimCity itch. If it was themed around magic and dragons and stuff I wouldn't give it a second look. But as it is... You had me at RCI being green/blue/yellow, Suburbia.
If Decmber gets Economic hexagonal tile placement games, perhaps another holiday could get just a general hexagonal tile placement game fest. :) Survive Escape from Atlantis is a great classic hexagonal tile game.
Keydophile - that would be some kind of weird expansion. I just bought Suburbia so had to watch to see what your thoughts on it was - glad I did 👍🏻.I must say though - there should be a standard size hex - referenced by a standard size pear. It could be called a pear shaped hex.
3:22 We have a house rule for this game. Each time you place a tile, you have to announce your rationale for urban planning. In this case, the answer could be "Our citizens are too good looking and skinny, so the city council decided to zone for a fast food restaurant that is immediately adjacent to housing." More adjacent housing is necessary because we don't want people walking very far; exercise may make them healthy. With so many unhealthy citizens eating terrible food, your best option is to build a slaughterhouse to keep the population under control etc. I personally put down a slaughterhouse every time I build a retirement community in case they are too far from extra lakes. Casinos are also excellent for being placed next to schools or libraries for obvious reasons.
This is one of my favourite old videos of yours! So many happy moments. Hex shaped bread! Grumplehex!
Instablaster.
Haven't seen this video therefore I can pretend Paul is back!
It's Paul!
What happened to Paul?
@@Shugenjya He left SU&SD to pursue other projects. All amicable, it was just bittersweet to see him leave the show.
I've watched this video over a dozen times since SU&SD first made it. I think this was the point I realized they weren't just making good boardgame critiques but actual art. Don't be a grumple-hex, Paul.
Man, remember when you could be in the same room as someone else? Those were the days.
I know! Remember when SU&SD were stressing out on their podcast because they needed 7-player games for a game night? Hah... *stares into middle distance*
But the sound quality was much worse.
Nostalgia is now illegal, you are going to thought jail
Remember, if you've been a naughty child, all you'll get on economic hex-based tile-laying game fest is an almost bankrupt train company.
Thank you for reminding me how much I loved the early days of susd. Just incredible.
I am loving these reuploads, such a joy to see your older reviews!
"I peed in the corner, you're going to have to clean that up"
Think I'm starting to get why Paul moved to Canada
As soon as I started watching this, I was like wait a minute, why is Christmas music playing? Must be a joke. And then I saw two people in a room together without masks and then said to myself, "This is not from 2020"
From a simpler time
I'm relatively new to the channel so I just assumed economical hexoganal piece laying festival came after chess month, but then that jump scare. That jump scare of two people within 6 feet.
Also Quinns has hair.
We actually always play a hexagonal tile laying game at Christmas. I think you’d like it, it’s called settlers of cattan...
The CE artwork really did a number for the look and feel of Suburbia
I like how even in old video I already can see all the components that I love in this channel
all mixed with awkward pauses and jokes that go for too long
I love the way they talk
Yes, and I regret that their current videos and reviews are much more conventional. This absurd atmosphere is largely missing.
I didn't expect such an emotional response watching you guys break character and laughing constantly. God I miss hanging out with my friends in person.
I know the creators of Suburbia(and the expansions) and helped beta test the games when in development, and I can say its a great game, even through the playtests, loads of fun, and many ways to play and win! Highly recommend! :D
One of the best titles and thumbnails of Shut up & Sit down :P
Love it!!
Rewatching it for like the 3rd time probably
i always liked the hexagon shaped games
9:59 I love these little scenes where the scene goes on for longer than it should so we see something funny and unscripted while the audio of the next scene already comes in....
I really like it tbh
Having this turn up in my feed was like traveling back to a simpler, happier, less orange and choughy time
Suburbia is still my favorite board game.
I call Suburbia, Terraforming Mars light.
Suburbia and Keyflower are both in my top 5. Blast to the past.
Yes! Finally my very favourite SUSD video is here on youtube as well. Thanks team SUSD!
Just bought the collector's edition and love the game. I played it way back when it came out and always had an itch.
i didn't know about su&sd back in 2013... but my favorite part about these videos is seeing what game shelves looked like back then. they matched mine! you can nail a year based on someone's shelves... just the big games from the most recent years front and center... that have over time been slowly shoved aside, then put into a closet (or sold altogether!)
Sometimes at Night I woke up and thinking about a hexagonal Carcassonne.
its nightmare and joy, I feel you bro
I always saw those comments of "Seeing paul had me confused before i realized this was an old episode" and thought "how could that occur?" Then I saw Paul and got my hopes up :( Still a great episode though. Miss Paul of course, but glad SUSD is still making great content and rewarding us with these old gems too.
I didn't realize that Paul was such a hooligan. So, the red line represents Paul! But now I understand all the SU&SD ultraviolence. But you forgot to mention the PR firm tile in Suburbia. And how to win if someone else gets it. Thanks lads.
Ohhhh, I was hoping for a new one! I bought Suburbia thanks to this video! Now you have to make one for 2020, no choice!
_Keys to the City: London_ is a "sequel" to Keyflower that in mechanisms is simpler, but the coloured canals you place can be a bit fiddly. And wasn't around in 2013.
Oh my goodness I haven't seen this video in so long. New Shut Up & Sit Down is obviously awesome but gosh there's something so great about these old videos. Quinns & Paul were just so excellent on camera together and there was really something to putting multiple reviews into one video.
I used to work in the princess pub right behind that lake that you filmed at :) small world
Don't be such a grumplehex. (Ever.)
I have a bit of an obsession with hexagonal tiles, mathematically, geometrically, and in games.
Rhombic dodecahedra fill (tile) 3d space, and if you take the cross section of those at the vertices, you can actually find 4 distinct hexagonal tilings at offset angles from each other, as well ad 3 square tilings.
I've put together a ton of hexagonal chess variants. I may be getting these just for the hex tiles.
Ever since i folded origami as a kid, i loved tessellated shapes. Then i cracked open battletech as a thirteen year old, and i was lost to the cult of the hexagon.
I LOVE these old reviews. While watching this review I've laughed harder than I have in a good long while. The chemistry between you two is just perfect. The next time you talk to Paul, please tell him how much I miss him. And thanks for re-uploading these old reviews. It's so good getting the chance to watch a couple friends have so much fun.
Q: " You're my little wooden pig"
P:. " Get off"
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Writing this in 2020, Suburbia and Keyflower are still holding up very well and managed to still be very enjoyable games through 7 years of high tides of new games coming and going.
Damn I thought Paul was back.... then I saw a younger Quinn’s (he hasn’t agreed that much) and I thought we’re back baby. Then I thought it was a long lost video... then I remembered I’d seen it before.. (or had I ? Thanks matt) it was a re-up.... such an emotional roller coaster. I loved it haha. The video too!
Grumplehex is such a good word...
It’d be a shame if I had unknowingly integrated it into my vocabulary for the last few years without knowing where it came from.
Now I want to play suburbia, but can't find it where I live. Great video
if you live in chile you actually live in the place were i live. congratz.
This made me want to revisit Suburbia and Trains.
Trains is legit great. It's hard to explain and harder to see when you look at it on the table. Something about hand management AND ALSO area control is just the right amount of crunchy.
Suburbia makes me sad. Even the app felt like it was just unfun.
For a few seconds I was massively joyful as I thought Paul had come back to the fold.
The joy hasn't all gone, I hadn't seen this before, so yay 😳
Aw what a SU&SD classic episode - getting all misty eyed over Paul’s presence 😄
Keydophile: a game for hex-offenders...
....... *sigh* .... Get out...
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Look I’m gonna level with you guys, I spent a good five seconds wondering which of us was the crazy one when you said it was December. 2020 does things to a person.
At first I was "is this a really old video?" , no psychosis is just setting in.
It is, it's just a new upload.
That was a weird trip in time....weird yet good!
This video opened with an ad for Forgotten Waters, one that includes a quote from Matt no less. UA-cam's algorithms are getting scarier by the day.
It is good though 😈
I bought Suburbia because of this, and now I want to play it next!
Played Suburbia for the first time (remotely!) this week and loved it. Thought I'd look up the SUSD take - an added pleasure to enjoy some Fondly Remembered Paul and Retro Quinns Hair.
“A crime against pleasure” lol
I saw 2013 and my poor diseased heart was immediately excited for more palatable times. And hexes.
I cant believe it's been 7 years!
Surely that phone was old even back in 2013 😝
you havent lived until you play surburbia while listening to the surbubs arcade fire album.
Great idea. I just happen to have the game and The Suburbs on vinyl 😁
1:30 you've been doing rick and morty impression before rick and morty.
One of my favourite old videos! I do slightly miss Paul's promotion of gentle Eurogames. Quinns and Matt have an incredible and engaging rapport, but they do clearly share a favourite genre (Social Bluffing Games For Cool Sexy Boys) which leaves me a little cold.
Aww it's a reupload...I really thought it was another one.
Robinson Crusoe has cute hexagons, and a lot of misery
And that’s why we love it! ❤️
Hey I'm grumplehex.
I'm not so grumplehex.
Aaaaand we're the hexgrumps!
Hexcellent video chaps
I almost died at "keydophile"
-1 reputation to have a park next to houses? Isn't that exactly where you would expect and want one? Lol
It's +1 to reputation (square), while it is -1 to *income* (circle)...because more people using the park means it costs more to keep it up! ;-)
This was a very surreal to open in the middle of a pandemic in September
For the first 50 seconds I was convinced that this was Paul’s epic come back into the world of board game video reviews, but then I saw Quinn’s hair.
I miss Paul. :( I can't believe he hasn't returned from the Bear War of 2018
Economic Hex-based Tile Laying Game Fest starts earlier and earlier every year.
Keyflower is still such a fantastic game still in 2020, I would highly recommend it. It's a great worker placement game that doesn't miss out on interaction like most eurogame's tend to. Works great with 2 players works great with 6 players. Try it if you haven't played it!
As a counter voice: I've only played it with 6, but I find it absolutely awful. The mechanisms strongly go against any theme, the way bid owners are tracked is clunky unless you are playing at a round or hexagonal table, and the design is extremely AP prone... or alternatively if you want to avoid AP, it's highly maddening as people use stuff in your town blocking you from using it (which is likely to get you if you aren't watching everything). I've enjoyed other games in the Key series, but this one is just a mess. I don't know, but it might be okay with 2 or maybe even 3, but above that no way. It's complete garbage. (This is of course my opinion... well, actually 4 out of the 6 players with a 5th one being neutral. ) By the way, I won the game by a fair margin if that matters.
Note: I'm not trying to disparage anyone that likes the game. I'm just offering a different opinion.
If Suburbia ever gets good artwork in a future edition, I’ll consider it.
Have you seen the collector's edition?
I may have to start doing this. Need a monthly style of board game for every month
So funny! I had to do a doubletake when I saw the thumbnail. It looks like he’s wearing a face colored face mask. Lol 😆
I'm 100% a grumplehex!
It's December!
This is my favorite opening skit in SU&SD history. (Also, I miss Paul)
Have both these games and enjoy them a lot. I avoided Suburbia for a long time because it looked boring, but it may be top 5.
You know you're watching this in 2020 when you misread the 'most contiguous' goal as 'most contagious'.
Now I want a Fern Gully game where one person plays as Hexxus.
I like this Paul fellow. Looking forward to seeing more of him. What? Oh. OHhhhhhhhh.
I'm one of the rare people who didn't enjoy Suburbia. Too dry for me, and the catch-up mechanism actually blocked other players from catching up. One of the rare games I sold. I can appreciate that it's a very well designed game though.
Theme's important to me in a game, and I actually prefer Suburbia _because_ of its theme. It's the only board game I've yet seen that scratches that SimCity itch.
If it was themed around magic and dragons and stuff I wouldn't give it a second look.
But as it is... You had me at RCI being green/blue/yellow, Suburbia.
Woof, you definitely had some rough edges back then! Despite that, great review, and I'm glad you improved. It's also good to see Paul.
If Decmber gets Economic hexagonal tile placement games, perhaps another holiday could get just a general hexagonal tile placement game fest. :) Survive Escape from Atlantis is a great classic hexagonal tile game.
When this started I was sincerely afraid this would be the "Musical episode"
"It's December!"
Wait... oh that explains the phone
I was so happy to see Paul again. I realize this is just an old video but it's great to see Paul.
Keydophile - that would be some kind of weird expansion. I just bought Suburbia so had to watch to see what your thoughts on it was - glad I did 👍🏻.I must say though - there should be a standard size hex - referenced by a standard size pear. It could be called a pear shaped hex.
Please do another hex tile focused ep
I bought suburbia based on this video all those years ago
Oh good timing
Yay the holigame days and season has begun
For a few fabulous seconds I thought you were getting the band back together again.
For a glorious few seconds I thought we'd get a guest episode with paul.
Is Suburbia in print? Most online stores in the US seem to be out or have it priced pretty high.
The new collector's edition with nicer art and all the expansions should be priced about 100 quids. It probably made the original OOP.
*Underrated.
For a fraction of a second....😲😀😐
What an incredible pairing they were.
I miss Paul, I hope he is happy wherever he is.
Rockin' around the HeTiLGF tree!
I thought Paul was bad for a moment.
Nice freudian slip ;) I doubt it will happen, but i also hope that Paul would add a review or two once in a while.
I miss Paul.
3:22 We have a house rule for this game. Each time you place a tile, you have to announce your rationale for urban planning. In this case, the answer could be "Our citizens are too good looking and skinny, so the city council decided to zone for a fast food restaurant that is immediately adjacent to housing." More adjacent housing is necessary because we don't want people walking very far; exercise may make them healthy. With so many unhealthy citizens eating terrible food, your best option is to build a slaughterhouse to keep the population under control etc. I personally put down a slaughterhouse every time I build a retirement community in case they are too far from extra lakes. Casinos are also excellent for being placed next to schools or libraries for obvious reasons.
I got so excited when I heard Paul's voice, then I remembered we're doing reuploads...
I can’t get rid of my melancholy nostalgia over missing Paul
But what about the airing of grievances, and the wrestling?