Two words that should put all of this to rest. Carey Price (& boy did he Carry A Price - Pun Intended). They're still paying him for not playing in the last few years or The Contract only recently ended. If you want another, Rick DiPietro, the one & only Goalie The Islanders couldn't do without, but, had to after his injury/retirement. The Goalie, getting bombarded, is The #1! Dangerous Position (Garth Snow, after he was hurt by being fallen upon with his legs behind him). The list can go on & on. Let me know what you think
I like how you leave out when Hill won the cup higher over the cap than Tampa. Matt Murray - Prime Crosby. Neimi/Crawford - Prime Toews/Kane. Kuemper - Mackinnon/Makar notice the real trend first Ballot HOF number 1 centers.
The problem is, that, ever since I began watching Hockey, in 1970, with certain few drought years, The Rangers have had all of these Goalies/Tandems to present. First, Giacomin & Villemeur Tandem, then JD (John Davidson) & on & on to John Van Bysbrook & Mike Richter to Henrik Lundqvist & Company (Talbot, Raanta, Et. Al.) & Igor Shesterkin. They've had Goalie Crutches since The 1970s. Therefore, how do you, even if you want to, not sign & depend on Igor Shesterkin, is GM Chris Drury's Issue. Let me know what you think
I’m more on the side of keeping igor. You have some good points that sound great if it works out perfectly but we’re talking about the rangers, i don’t think i have the trust in this organization to go through w a move like this. Moving on from igor is a whole lot of unknowns. We know even if igor has just a decent season, he’s always been elite in the postseason. Ullmark hasn’t proven anything in the postseason and he was on a team that won 65 games. You really need the stars to align to move on from a guy like igor when you already have the best player at the position. Land a combination of like rantanen/chychrun and it’ll be easier to deal w, players of that caliber could potentially get you over the top. It’s a very risky decision.
You said it yourself, "we are talking about the Rangers here". I don't trust the organization in hamstringing itself with a long term albatross contract and being able to surround Igor with the components to be able to win a cup. Thats the danger here. Another 10 years of mediocrity but hey we got the best goalie in the NHL.
While I wasn't a fan of them paying King Henrik Lundqvist $8.5M/yr, I can see that more than paying Igor Shesterkin $12M/yr, because, at least, we had so many great years of the former. Igor Shesterkin hasn't had all of those great years that The King Had. Therefore, while I didn't like either, I would say The King's Contract was In Essence, The Lesser Of Two Evils. Let me know what you think
Peter Mrazek was The Savior of The Detroit Red Wings & he is The Chicago Blackhawks respectable Goalie, now & not what he once was. Goalies, other than Chicago Black Hawks, Tony O Esposito & The other Premier Goalies are the Exceptions, not the rule. More Goalies are mediocre than they are Elite. We don't even know if Illya Sorokin is done or not, as Islanders' Goalie. Let me know what you think. PS. This is how you get A Jack Campbell not even an NHL Goalie.
@@orlfane1622 Where did I say sign him? I just pointed out that it was not his fault that we haven’t made it to the Finals/the guys in front of him failed way more than he did.
The goalie can't score goals and win games for you. Without Igor this isn't even a playoff team. All the top paid guys on this team were fucking ghosts in the playoffs. Igor was not nor has he ever been the problem on this team and the only thing holding it together.
I think, that, a good argument can be made, that, The Florida Panthers, were once built from The Goal Out, even though it didn't work for them right away with Sergei Bobrosky. Let me know what you think & if you would conceed that point.
@@orlfane1622 Thank You for your comment. I didn't say that. I think that they're a well rounded team, but you can't discount Bobrovsky's Excellent Playing.
It seems as if Filk, you & I are in agreement, that, the one & only outstanding season that Igor Shesterkin has had was his Vezina Trophy Winning Season. Other than that, he's been very good. All 3 of us are in agreement a lot, because we look at things objectively & not as Fans. Let me know what you think
@@Kris-qv6bk Thank You for your comment. I like both, but, I would say that Contracts are mainly based on The Regular Season. I'd like all of these guys to carry over past it, but, as I'm sure that you'll agree, they're getting played tighter after The Regular Season. Look at Florida against Artemi Panarin.
@@mariovaccarella6854 funny you bring up Panarin, who IMO is the best UFA signing in cap era (and since I started watching in 92) but who gives the team a better chance to win in the playoffs him or Igor? Reminds me of a guy who wore 61.took up a big portion of the cap, didnt get it done to his pay level in the playoffs. Florida had a guy like that, who they drafted 3 OA, dominated in regular season, didnt get it done in the playoffs, traded (with another) for a player that the hockey world at the time said Florida got killed in the deal. Now the hockey world has a polar opposite view of the trade.
@@Kris-qv6bk Thank You for your comment. I'm not saying that I don't think that it's all about The Regular Season. I'm saying, that, if all of you were correct, about The Regular Season, not being the deciding factor on salary, it logically flows, that, all of these depth players would be getting all of the high salaries. I'm only saying what reality is & not as to whether it's right or wrong. PS. If I had it my way, I wouldn't overpay for any of these players, for the sake of all players
@@mariovaccarella6854 in your origional comment you say Igor has 1 Vezina and your looking at things objectively. You dont want to say Igor has been a better playoff performer than Panarin, just like Hank/Nash that had a 700k difference in salary. Because if Igor is more valuable in the playoffs when it matters, then why shouldnt Igor take a contract that pays him more than Panarin signed 6 years ago (counting this year) with 11m more in cap space. Instead the dont pay a goalie camp, uses teams that a team failed to utilize 87% of the cap around a first ballot hall of fame goalie as the point. While arguing that if they had 2mil more in cap space that and a downgrade in the one true playoff performer on the roster, that they would use that 2mil better and have gotten over the hump.
i agree with you, but he is their best player and they would not have gotten where they did cause of the way he played. Drury will play hard ball and Igor will get his money from another team and drury will be fired
I think you’re way off on this one. Putting Markstrom and Ullmark in the same sentence as Igor is disrespectful. He’s better than Hellybuck too. He’s the best goalie in the league at this point. 7 for 85 is fair and I would do it as Drury. Laf isn’t going anywhere and if Brandon Schneider would cost me Igor I’ll keep Igor.
@@RangersCentral I really don’t see any goalies in the league even close to Igor, even Oettinger on Dallas who I watch very closely, I don’t see him even on the same tier as Igor so a big pay discrepancy doesn’t bother me, however I understand your concern. I do factor in as well that in three years, Igor would be under contract and other goalies who emerge or have good seasons may end up getting paid more than Igor. I also still think Igor hasn’t hit his ceiling yet.
Anyone who thinks Igor isn't worth his weight in gold is a fool. Our goal tending is the only thing that's made us a contender for the last 10 years. Without Igor to save our ass every time the defense breaks down this team won't even make the playoffs.
You can count on 1 finger the amount of elite centers that have changed teams. He had a broken neck and this fan base didnt want him lol. You know the thing the orgs been searching for since Messier left.
In all fairness it was as much the success of Mike Keenan than Mess that one that cup. If Keenan doesn't gut that team and bring in all those new players, the Rangers are still hearing the 1940 chant. Keenan brings in a guy that I never heard of and he scores 2 double overtime game winners to send the Rangers to the finals in 94.
@@orlfane1622 the GM made the right moves with the coaches input and the team won the cup. Doesnt change the fact that in 30 years they havent found a top of the league center.
There is nothing promising in the pipeline. If you could get a top-quality player and prospects/draft picks for Igor, it would probably be the better route to go. Not the popular one but it would be prudent. The Rangers could easily get a decent young goalie for half the price they would have to pay Igor. Remember we had Cam Talbot when they gave Hank that ridiculous contract. I was one of the few that loved Hank but would have let him walk and went with Talbot in the net. They would have been in a much better position to surround Talbot with some talent since he was making peanuts at the time and playing like a #1 starter. No guarantee that they win a cup, but the Hank contract was an albatross contract that really hamstrung the team and prevented the team from getting some quality players to make a push for a championship.
@@orlfane1622 Luukkanen is on a team friendly contract. If he stays like he was last season, it would be good enough if you send the cap wisely wish isn't a very NYR thing to do, but still...
@@orlfane1622 in 2015, when Hank made 2.5m more than Crawford, what player are they bringing in to make Nash and his 700k less than Hank, produce like Prime Toews/Kane? If Keeping Talbot was the better option, why did he and his lower cap hit never win 8 games in a playoff season? Lastly, rank these players by playoff performance Hank, Nash, Igor, Panarin.
@@Kris-qv6bk They haven't won a cup in 30 years and it will be 40 years if they sign Igor to ridiculous contract. Oh, and I rank all those players the same. ZERO Stanley Cups.
@@orlfane1622 Libdros, Holik, Redden, Drury, Gomez, Richards, Nash, Shatty, Trouba. Drafting Jessiman, Mcilrath, Andersson, Kravtsov, Kakko. Trading Miller/Mcdonagh for nothing to make room for Anderson/Tony D, and then a year later spending more money on Trouba than Mcdonagh. Trading Buchnevich using the money on Nemeth/Goodrow/Reaves. But yeah tell me more about how its the fault of the first ballot hall of famer’s fault and the proven playoff performers fault for taking their earned money. Clearly this time with draft picks and cap space theyll so it right lol
MCDAVID PLAYS 80 GAMES A YEAR!!.. Egor PLAYS MAYBE 55% OF THE GAMES. backup then gets the rest. trade him get a truckload of 1st and 2nd line players and draft picks.. bye bye igor
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Yea our defensive core and 1st line center is our problem
I love this argument. I agree this will turn out to be a nightmare
Two words that should put all of this to rest. Carey Price (& boy did he Carry A Price - Pun Intended). They're still paying him for not playing in the last few years or The Contract only recently ended. If you want another, Rick DiPietro, the one & only Goalie The Islanders couldn't do without, but, had to after his injury/retirement. The Goalie, getting bombarded, is The #1! Dangerous Position (Garth Snow, after he was hurt by being fallen upon with his legs behind him). The list can go on & on. Let me know what you think
I like how you leave out when Hill won the cup higher over the cap than Tampa. Matt Murray - Prime Crosby. Neimi/Crawford - Prime Toews/Kane. Kuemper - Mackinnon/Makar notice the real trend first Ballot HOF number 1 centers.
Great Video, as usual, Evan. I never got A Notification of The Live Chat. Let me know if you put one out.
The problem is, that, ever since I began watching Hockey, in 1970, with certain few drought years, The Rangers have had all of these Goalies/Tandems to present. First, Giacomin & Villemeur Tandem, then JD (John Davidson) & on & on to John Van Bysbrook & Mike Richter to Henrik Lundqvist & Company (Talbot, Raanta, Et. Al.) & Igor Shesterkin. They've had Goalie Crutches since The 1970s. Therefore, how do you, even if you want to, not sign & depend on Igor Shesterkin, is GM Chris Drury's Issue. Let me know what you think
I’m more on the side of keeping igor. You have some good points that sound great if it works out perfectly but we’re talking about the rangers, i don’t think i have the trust in this organization to go through w a move like this. Moving on from igor is a whole lot of unknowns. We know even if igor has just a decent season, he’s always been elite in the postseason. Ullmark hasn’t proven anything in the postseason and he was on a team that won 65 games. You really need the stars to align to move on from a guy like igor when you already have the best player at the position. Land a combination of like rantanen/chychrun and it’ll be easier to deal w, players of that caliber could potentially get you over the top. It’s a very risky decision.
You said it yourself, "we are talking about the Rangers here". I don't trust the organization in hamstringing itself with a long term albatross contract and being able to surround Igor with the components to be able to win a cup. Thats the danger here. Another 10 years of mediocrity but hey we got the best goalie in the NHL.
I completely agree with you on The Chicago Blackhawks & the $ being more important than A Stanley Cup. Then, Chicago is the place to go.
If a reasonable deal can’t be reached maybe attempt a Igor for Marner trade?
While I wasn't a fan of them paying King Henrik Lundqvist $8.5M/yr, I can see that more than paying Igor Shesterkin $12M/yr, because, at least, we had so many great years of the former. Igor Shesterkin hasn't had all of those great years that The King Had. Therefore, while I didn't like either, I would say The King's Contract was In Essence, The Lesser Of Two Evils. Let me know what you think
Peter Mrazek was The Savior of The Detroit Red Wings & he is The Chicago Blackhawks respectable Goalie, now & not what he once was. Goalies, other than Chicago Black Hawks, Tony O Esposito & The other Premier Goalies are the Exceptions, not the rule. More Goalies are mediocre than they are Elite. We don't even know if Illya Sorokin is done or not, as Islanders' Goalie. Let me know what you think. PS. This is how you get A Jack Campbell not even an NHL Goalie.
Give him X amount of years with a 9mill aav
NO ! No more than 9 million.....How many finals have we made with Igor?
How many times was he left out to dry??
@@negtype13 Sign Igor to a ridiculous contract and you almost guarantee to add another 10 years to the Stanley Cup drought.
@@orlfane1622
Where did I say sign him?
I just pointed out that it was not his fault that we haven’t made it to the Finals/the guys in front of him failed way more than he did.
The goalie can't score goals and win games for you. Without Igor this isn't even a playoff team. All the top paid guys on this team were fucking ghosts in the playoffs. Igor was not nor has he ever been the problem on this team and the only thing holding it together.
I think, that, a good argument can be made, that, The Florida Panthers, were once built from The Goal Out, even though it didn't work for them right away with Sergei Bobrosky. Let me know what you think & if you would conceed that point.
They didn't win the cup because of the goalie though.
@@orlfane1622 Thank You for your comment. I didn't say that. I think that they're a well rounded team, but you can't discount Bobrovsky's Excellent Playing.
It seems as if Filk, you & I are in agreement, that, the one & only outstanding season that Igor Shesterkin has had was his Vezina Trophy Winning Season. Other than that, he's been very good. All 3 of us are in agreement a lot, because we look at things objectively & not as Fans. Let me know what you think
@@mariovaccarella6854 so you like regular season accomplishments vs playoffs?
@@Kris-qv6bk Thank You for your comment. I like both, but, I would say that Contracts are mainly based on The Regular Season. I'd like all of these guys to carry over past it, but, as I'm sure that you'll agree, they're getting played tighter after The Regular Season. Look at Florida against Artemi Panarin.
@@mariovaccarella6854 funny you bring up Panarin, who IMO is the best UFA signing in cap era (and since I started watching in 92) but who gives the team a better chance to win in the playoffs him or Igor? Reminds me of a guy who wore 61.took up a big portion of the cap, didnt get it done to his pay level in the playoffs. Florida had a guy like that, who they drafted 3 OA, dominated in regular season, didnt get it done in the playoffs, traded (with another) for a player that the hockey world at the time said Florida got killed in the deal. Now the hockey world has a polar opposite view of the trade.
@@Kris-qv6bk Thank You for your comment. I'm not saying that I don't think that it's all about The Regular Season. I'm saying, that, if all of you were correct, about The Regular Season, not being the deciding factor on salary, it logically flows, that, all of these depth players would be getting all of the high salaries. I'm only saying what reality is & not as to whether it's right or wrong. PS. If I had it my way, I wouldn't overpay for any of these players, for the sake of all players
@@mariovaccarella6854 in your origional comment you say Igor has 1 Vezina and your looking at things objectively. You dont want to say Igor has been a better playoff performer than Panarin, just like Hank/Nash that had a 700k difference in salary. Because if Igor is more valuable in the playoffs when it matters, then why shouldnt Igor take a contract that pays him more than Panarin signed 6 years ago (counting this year) with 11m more in cap space. Instead the dont pay a goalie camp, uses teams that a team failed to utilize 87% of the cap around a first ballot hall of fame goalie as the point. While arguing that if they had 2mil more in cap space that and a downgrade in the one true playoff performer on the roster, that they would use that 2mil better and have gotten over the hump.
Drurys job lays with what happens
i agree with you, but he is their best player and they would not have gotten where they did cause of the way he played. Drury will play hard ball and Igor will get his money from another team and drury will be fired
think about % percent to cap, he is asking what Hank got, would you sign Hank? he is looking for 12 to 13 percent to cap
I think you’re way off on this one. Putting Markstrom and Ullmark in the same sentence as Igor is disrespectful. He’s better than Hellybuck too. He’s the best goalie in the league at this point. 7 for 85 is fair and I would do it as Drury. Laf isn’t going anywhere and if Brandon Schneider would cost me Igor I’ll keep Igor.
@@ShoppingSpecifically I said Igor is better than those guys but worth $5 mil more? No
@@RangersCentral I really don’t see any goalies in the league even close to Igor, even Oettinger on Dallas who I watch very closely, I don’t see him even on the same tier as Igor so a big pay discrepancy doesn’t bother me, however I understand your concern. I do factor in as well that in three years, Igor would be under contract and other goalies who emerge or have good seasons may end up getting paid more than Igor. I also still think Igor hasn’t hit his ceiling yet.
Anyone who thinks Igor isn't worth his weight in gold is a fool. Our goal tending is the only thing that's made us a contender for the last 10 years. Without Igor to save our ass every time the defense breaks down this team won't even make the playoffs.
You can count on 1 finger the amount of elite centers that have changed teams. He had a broken neck and this fan base didnt want him lol. You know the thing the orgs been searching for since Messier left.
In all fairness it was as much the success of Mike Keenan than Mess that one that cup. If Keenan doesn't gut that team and bring in all those new players, the Rangers are still hearing the 1940 chant. Keenan brings in a guy that I never heard of and he scores 2 double overtime game winners to send the Rangers to the finals in 94.
@@orlfane1622 the GM made the right moves with the coaches input and the team won the cup. Doesnt change the fact that in 30 years they havent found a top of the league center.
I trade him at the TDL if he wants 12 mil. I trade him to BUF for Luukkonen + picks and prospects
There is nothing promising in the pipeline. If you could get a top-quality player and prospects/draft picks for Igor, it would probably be the better route to go. Not the popular one but it would be prudent. The Rangers could easily get a decent young goalie for half the price they would have to pay Igor. Remember we had Cam Talbot when they gave Hank that ridiculous contract. I was one of the few that loved Hank but would have let him walk and went with Talbot in the net. They would have been in a much better position to surround Talbot with some talent since he was making peanuts at the time and playing like a #1 starter. No guarantee that they win a cup, but the Hank contract was an albatross contract that really hamstrung the team and prevented the team from getting some quality players to make a push for a championship.
@@orlfane1622 Luukkanen is on a team friendly contract. If he stays like he was last season, it would be good enough if you send the cap wisely wish isn't a very NYR thing to do, but still...
@@orlfane1622 in 2015, when Hank made 2.5m more than Crawford, what player are they bringing in to make Nash and his 700k less than Hank, produce like Prime Toews/Kane? If Keeping Talbot was the better option, why did he and his lower cap hit never win 8 games in a playoff season? Lastly, rank these players by playoff performance Hank, Nash, Igor, Panarin.
@@Kris-qv6bk They haven't won a cup in 30 years and it will be 40 years if they sign Igor to ridiculous contract. Oh, and I rank all those players the same. ZERO Stanley Cups.
@@orlfane1622 Libdros, Holik, Redden, Drury, Gomez, Richards, Nash, Shatty, Trouba. Drafting Jessiman, Mcilrath, Andersson, Kravtsov, Kakko. Trading Miller/Mcdonagh for nothing to make room for Anderson/Tony D, and then a year later spending more money on Trouba than Mcdonagh. Trading Buchnevich using the money on Nemeth/Goodrow/Reaves. But yeah tell me more about how its the fault of the first ballot hall of famer’s fault and the proven playoff performers fault for taking their earned money. Clearly this time with draft picks and cap space theyll so it right lol
Are we missing something? didn't we lose to the Devils in the playoffs 2 yrs ago!! where was igor than???,,
Don’t pay him I’ll take ullmark and a team around him. Guess what you build a elite 6 man defense the shots don’t even get to the goalie
Gotta trade him away
Ok say we give him $12M THAN AFTER HIM, WHAT IS THE NEXT GUY GONNA ASK FOR???? BULL$HIT TRADE HIM
MCDAVID PLAYS 80 GAMES A YEAR!!.. Egor PLAYS MAYBE 55% OF THE GAMES. backup then gets the rest. trade him get a truckload of 1st and 2nd line players and draft picks.. bye bye igor
Love Igor is he worth 12x8??? No, move on after this season. Maybe if he took a 4 or 5 yr deal but he wont
yes