PvZ Heroes BALANCE-PATCH Tier List: Plants
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- My initial Tier list on how good each newly balanced Plant is going to be.
Pvz Heroes Pvz Heroes Plants Vs. Zombies: Heroes (ok, now the dumb UA-cam algorithm likes me)
Recorded 2024-12-26
Edited by: Ilya Sh.
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My mind is still doesn't accept the fact we got balance changes😅❤
Truly it's an wild world
All thanks to the janitors there lol
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@@Hey_Icy right hear me out spooky thundia
@@doesthepanhandleevenmatterbecause games time to be made we don’t want games that are rushed right
Well, thats it folks. We have reached a time when seedling is on the same level as tricarrotops
I'd rather run Seedling, tbh.
The sacred timeline...
They got 3 janitors working on the Game right now, the updates are gonna roll in like crazy
Yeah big ups to the janitors is so funny
Celestial custodian must really hate tricarrotops
My personal argument for the solar flare superpower revert is that the version that gave you 2 sun would be the ONLY superpower in the game where you would lose value if use mid combat if you block
Since you wouldn't get the 2 sun you wouldn't use it unless you are about to die and need to use it to save yourself, you actively want to hold it for next turn at least, so I just think that design goes against the rest of the superpowers so unless they can make another version you could use mid combat without losing value, its good they revert it
heal while at max hp.
@PandaAsInTheCuteAnimal I mean that should enter more in the can't use like the 3 damage to a zombie when there is no zombie which of course would be better if there weren't but it is inevitable with some of them
I wish the heal one also increased max hp so you could use it, that would make it actually a good superpower
@@PandaAsInTheCuteAnimal That’s a specific situation where it wouldn’t be useful whereas SF’s reworked super would be generally bad but have specific situations where it would be useful. Plus there’s a difference between literally being unable to use a card and a card actively losing value when used in that way.
@@PandaAsInTheCuteAnimal How are you going to block draw at max HP?
@@HatsuneTku think they more mean when you get it at the start of the game but yea the original comment did mention drawing it mid combat.
0:58 "Overall better as a 2/2..."
Interdimensional zombie flashbacks
Overall Better™.
Overall better :)
Technically true but it is wild how they "nerfed" the card. It losing health is the least of its concerns and if anything can actively make it MORE useful.
An attack reduction would have been more of a nerf and if it still hurt everything Bullseye would straight up gut it.
TLDR: If they wanted a strong nerf, health was the wrong choice.
I can't believe it got updated. Never would have happened without you keeping it alive!
What's it that most pvz lovers , love the kingdom rush series as well.
@@therealmorganofficial he ain't the mc little BOI. Wake up to the real world
19:58
Not anymore. Now a Fig transformed by a Molekale becomes that, a plant transformed from Molekale, not from Fig, so loses his ability. It was a bug, and a really OP one, so it's fair.
Dang, I really thought it was intentional because when a reincarnation plant gets bounced, it can still transform
It's so weird how prickly pear got the old ability of mirror nut, but infinitely worse. It targets the zombie hero when damaged, it charges the block meter, it only does 2 when damaged. It has 2 hp more than the old mirror nut, but it doesn't trigger when other plants are damaged and costs 5 instead of 4.
So weird how they buff the weak card, only to give its ability to another plant.
the old ability with this new health combined definitely gonna make it more playable though
Just the buff to lava would've been enough for prickly pair. It can be good say in front of that bear berry card to potentially kill the zombie before the turn and allow it to hit face. I don't get why they do this to the plants. Zombies get loads of flat buffs but plants have to get "reworks" even to horrific cards like prickly pair.
If you showed this video to anyone in 2023 nobody would believe it
frrr
An anomaly in the timelines
B tier, especially the first half, is a fucking crime to see
@@raiden8929and that’s not even talking about sizzle and bombegranate in s with photosynthesizer 😂
They'd think this is some Ohio mod stuff
From my own playing experience (I will admit, it’s very limited), half banana has been a force to be reckoned with in my games. At worst, it’s a chump blocker that’s buffing my whole hand filled with already OP cards like astrocado, pepper md, and ketchup mechanic. The amount of positive trades the little 1/1 buff has given is actually impressive, and it buffing other half-bananas in your hand to make 2 cost 3/3s that buff other cards is pretty important too.
It feels so weird rn it’s almost like it’s modded
You'll get used to it lol
It’s kinda crazy that there’s already been an update for the update, things like puff shroom being back to 0 sun and solar flares super being reverted
and photosynthesizer back to 1 cost
Some of the things they reverted didn’t get description updates though like solar flares ability
A lot of the card descriptions don't match their actual abilities
Played this game for years, but just recently discovered your channel a few months ago. Love all the content, and your critiques in assessing cards I use and what I ought to use. You're officially my go-to channel for PvZ Heroes info and deck ideas. Keep up the good work. 👍
How is this already edited? I just watched this last night
thanks to Ilya/Highlight Em Up
@@FryEmUpGamingIlya is the goat
Yup, Fry has an more regular schedule now
Ilya is the GOAT
Have been using bombegrante since day 1 of balance patch, it’s a big deal when a 5 drop card hitting 5 to face where you cannot ignore while it spawns 3 random plants on the lane after it dies, just so much value
Damn ilya edited this fast ! Im glad hes in the pvz community, hes a nice dude.
Banana peel got nerfed real bad. Forget about the 2 cost for a sec. Having such a huge pool of possible conjures makes things like brainana or brex more uncommon.
The banana pool was on average a lot better than fruit.
But you now have fig, cucumber, astrocado, ketchup mechanic, wintermelon, gravitree, starfruit and dragon in the pool, which are all really good.
@andreasobermuller3044 and atomic bombegranate too
@andreasobermuller3044Yes, but the overall pool on the old one was so much better and consistent than the current one, it was almost as good as drawing from your deck. And it could also give another banana peel or even a banana bomb more often.
@andreasobermuller3044 I won so many times in the past because i got a Brainana from a banana peel (running Grass Knucles) and i shut them down completely before they could remove my Brex or Tricarrotops. It not only costing more, but it having less of a chance of giving 2 OP cards (only bananas in the game were Brainana, Brex, b bomb, Half banana, banana sundae and b peel) to now over 20 types makes it super inconsistent
Honestly the only usable conjure from banana peel was brainana bc it's the only one that's decent without running a deck around it
17:13 IM ACTUALLY CRYING
There is a legit chance that whoever is still balancing the game watches this as the main content creator of this game and I hope they can balance accordingly
So hopes for the revert of Spikeweed or some buff to the F tier cards can be done
0:30 YK WHAT ELSE IS MASSIVE
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Leaf Blower works in any environment Fry, even Zombie ones 🤔
Maybe they should give Three Headed Chomper an ability to destroy all zombies in it's lane and next door with 3 or less attack when it's played. This could give the card a more niche impact on the board and potentially have some small removal.
Thts actually a great idea or even being able to insta kill one zombie when played like cob itd be good
Insta killing anything when played with no setup is too strong
Or make it kill the zombie in it's lane when played
@@afturburn not true lol look at zombot, even still for three headed it wouldn’t be op it dies to pretty much everything. A good buff would be making it a 5/10 since most big zombies have 6 damage thus it making it survive. And if it insta kills one zombie on turn 6 then ur already behind becuz u should have more than 1 zombie in play bro especially on turn 6. Cob was only op becuz it was able to kill up to 4 things with all of its active abilities. But also due to its stats. And to argue the no setup play any good player running cob is going to have a team up meaning there realistically is or was no set up for cob.
@@marioortiz7264 the difference is that zombot is now a gravestone, which lets you get rid of it with the right cards before it does it's ability. Also zombot is more expensive than chomper, and plants have access to quite a bit more ramp
I’m probably the only one that’s complaining about this, but why didn’t recycle prices get buffed for cards that were changed/nerfed. I feel like that’s something that would be necessary for big changes like this. I’m having a hard time getting new cards and have 4 copies of tricarratops that I wanna ditch
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Been here since 2017, when the intro was "fry. em. up." In fry's voice... I was a little kid back then and now I am a sophomore. Yet fry is as consistent as he started out. This is a big thing your audience can learn from you. By the way , I feel like pvz heroes might bring back old players with this new update.
That was a BIG patreon list. Im so happy for how good this update has not only been for the community, but also for fry :)
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I cant wait for zombie tier list so you can discuss how they KILLED synchronised swimmer with the nerf
They should make half bananas scale 1/1 to all fruits permanently. That wouldnt be that much of a buff since you can only max buff it 12 time by getting 4 splits + 4 banana. But it would make it better and more interesting
2/1 definitely works better
or best, die at the end of turn
imagine trying to explain this tier list a year ago
fr
Put the celestial custodian in s tier fro making the balance patch
This is genious
I hope the Janitor doesn’t nerf Fig, this card is so much fun and feels like the only truly BS thing to go alongside how strong zombies feel now
I’ve been spamming Atomic Bombegranate since the patch. It’s genuinely felt like one of the most impactful cards in any Kabloom deck I run it in, up there with Transfiguration, Sizzle, and Berry Blast. I think these 4 cards make Kabloomy a universally and consistently strong class now (when it was just Berry Blast before). Same with Turquoise Skull Zombie on the Zombie side, which I’ve been spamming in every single Hearty deck
They need to rework solar Flare's signature to be honest, now you can lost 2 suns just for defending...
1:28 garden gloves are actually pretty good. They have won me a few games simply because the enemy hero didn't block the first lane and used all their brains. It definitely isn't the best but ain't the worst.
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We live in the day where sizzle is ranked higher than Triccarratops
Hey fry just wanted to say I really love your content. it makes my day. UA-cam said fry em up was my top watched channel with fry em up gaming being my second watched! Thanks for making such great content ❤
imagine soul patch untrickable 💀just buff it to hell and your only worry is deadly
38:57 snap having amphibious is good paired with bog it’s now 5 attack
I think Black Eye Pea is underrated currently, it doesn't win as many trades as it used to but it's still a must-answer control card that can take out almost every 1-2 drop and will punish any Zombie player that doesn't have a removal card on hand, which is common but not universal.
Yeah based on my playtesting it’s still a completely viable card, D tier is very harsh
@@12345olipop Agreed, it may not be SSSS tier anymore, but it is still a menace against Immorticia or HG decks, really punishing a lot of trick play, weaker against tempo, sure, but still a solid choice
Heavily disagree, the reason it was so strong was because it was able to win trades against a lot of zombies while also discouraging the use of tricks, but now it's just a pathetic 2/2 that dies to any non-shit 1 drop.
My argument for leaf blower:
3/4 is meh stats but in bog it becomes a tempo 5/4 along with being able to bounce literally zombie. Also zombie heroes usually put down environments unless they're playing control. Not to mention you can also go aggro with leaf blower since he can bounce a zombie in front of him and the zombie hero most likely won't have an answer since they spent brains on the minion you just bounced.
0:36 know what else's massive?
I dont
Gravitree
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30:45 personal timestamp
The return of tierlists!
I’m a huge fan of the change from Sun Strike to Cross Pollination, the Plants really don’t have as much Card Draw and Conjure tools compared to Zombies, so adding another option that also makes them cheaper and draws from tribes with good synergies is great.
I’m really happy with this meta. Just wish a few cards weren’t nerfed.
0:30 you know what else is absolutely massive?
LOW TAPER FADE
You know what's crazy though?
I dont
@nielsvanelk8688 crazy? I was crazy once
Your mom
I really hope they buff Plant Environments in a new patch.
Hey fry I got an idea for you: Make a tier list for every glitched/temporarily changed card before they got patched/reverted and put them on a tier list. You also can’t experiment with those anymore so it’ll basically be set in stone
King's an instant S tier for making knights an actual living nightmare
I made a rose deck with wintermelon and lightning reed has been real strong for me. Love The splash and the control/freeze till dragon. I still use cob cannon as well.
I really hope they are actually telling the truth and this isn't a one off patch, even if it's just a once a year thing that's gonna be so much fun
4:23 thanks for doing my idea
You should try molekale with Atomic Bombegranate it’s really fun ❤
If they wanted to nerf aggro sure that is understandable, the nerf to zapricot a bit unnecesary, BUT the buff to wild berry is absurd because it is very comparable to zapricot by same stats but costing 1 less and does makes me rise an eyebrow since wild berry is rare and zapricot is basic, it would be sad if they are going for rarer card are strictly better
And also maybe a similar case with mirror nut compared to Prickly Pear? Prickly Pear a rare card being abismaly inferior to Mirror Nut a super rare
I’m surprised the servers are even still active. The fact that an update was released is insane. I don’t think anyone saw this coming
26:25 Captain Combustible Fruit Deck coming soon then 🤔
Get all the best kaboom cards, CC’s busted superpowers, and showcase the power of 2 cost banana peel!!!!!
So, Tough Beet is now just exactly the Super Phat Beet, but for the Guardian class...
Bro single handedly kept the game alive for us to see balance changes implemented. Respect 💪💪💪
All I know is they nerfed plants usage rate in general
The complaint I would have for bean counter is that the weanie beanies he adds to the hand shouldve been given the team up no the bean counter
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
But also, I prefer it as a 2/2. As a 1/1 ok, still fine but more difficult to buff, as a 2/2 still fine but not that bad.
Power Pummel turned from semi-decent super into an actual brick which is only effective against imp decks. I speak from my experience as a GK main, the other GK powers were always more useful and this fact has only been made more solid by the patch. I strongly advocate for a revert change, there must be a better way of nerfing/rebalancing GK
Or if you really wanna nerf PP's face damage, then my suggestion would be: do 2 damage to every zombie and a zombie hero
atleast potted powerhouse doesnt ruin molekale - pineclone things anymore
I feel like wild berry should be S tier since it does ludicrous amounts of damage for 2 cost and if it's fronted it's definitely gonna trade
shhhh we don't wanna get it nerfed
The fact it changes lanes is withholding it for me tbh, makes it vulnerable to stuff like flag swarm and sumo cause its just all chance and you cant play around it even when you know its coming. Also hard to play around the environments such as freeze from HG and idk even moon cause you cant reliably play it on heights. As well as its usual problems in dying to bungee, teleport or Guy from HG. Though its existence makes not committing a 2 drop against Kabloom is highly welcome lmao, fck spacetime. Amazing card though very high risk high reward I love it
It won me lots of games as a Cycle-Cap player since Wild Berry pretty much gives them something else to fear on turn 3 after over committing on turn 2, and it lets me play Planet for free and start doing plays on turn 4
I liked the changes on the gloves some tricks are great
Challenge idea: you can try to create a deck with full of c tier cards and 4 copies of a single s tier card. Thanks for the tier list btw
Been playing pvz heroes since little and since it was released, mhhhbthe good old days when pvz heroes updated frequently
I never would have thought we’d be living in a world where Tricarratops and Seedling are in the same tier.
Go seedling!!! 😍
I've had decent times running a bounce combo with Leaf blower, Rescue radish and Coffe bean grounds.
Deck suggestion: going viral plus quarterly bonus flagswarm type deck, love the content and glad we finally got balance changes :D
zombie middle managers can also conjure quarterly bonuses which i find funny
i really hope this game keeps getting little changes every month or so i think that would be awesome
I'm still a bit sad, being a budget player budget aggro Solar Flare was my way to climb and the deck was absolutely killed
Even though gardening gloves are really bad, it might be worth running with wild berry to make it hit face twice in an aggro spuddow deck, then you can clean house with some strike through minions. Also, you would rather have gardening gloves instead of something like hot date because hot dates would brick your hand in aggro decks since they have no damage and better fit control decks.
I can’t believe we’re getting new PVZ Heroes meta going into 2025
I used to pray for times like these
I’m a pretty budget player, but I’ve been having fun with a Captain Combustible deck I threw together. 4 copies of Seedling, Bombegranite, and Sizzle because I wanted to test the buffed cards, and then added some half bananas and my 2 Bananasaurus for fruit synergy (Bombegranite is a fruit), Wild Berry and Poison Ivy for Aggro, Plant Food and Whip Vine to act as win conditions, rounded off with Clique Peas and a couple Bonk Choy for 1 drops. Is it the best deck, no. Is it a fun deck, absolutely.
Now I want to test it. Looks fun af.
Fry did so many pvzh tierlists yet none of them is about the music
Hey fry, i don’t play the game much but i enjoy watching your videos. Just an idea but is it possible for a half banana, onion ring, and star fruit deck to happen? If so do you think it would be viable?
Been waiting for this... 😂
I think Podfather and cosmic pea combo are now good in this patch with potted powerhouse, probably.
I really want to know how much the devs value moving and conjuring for the 2 cost gardening gloves and banana peel, move a plant or zombie is fine nothing insane, like put it in comparison with photosynthesizer at 1 cost, is moving a plant better than +2 health? I would put that on the same level, so they should cost the same
i HATE HUNT OVERSTUFFED ZOMBIE LIKE I JUST WANT HIM STAY ON THAT ONE LANE AND THE NEXT THING HE WILL HUNT A SUPER PLANT THAT KILL HIM INSTANTLY
The buff to Bean Counter should have been to give the Weenie Beanies it conjures team up
This way you can always play Bean Counter to fill up the board and buff it with the Weenie Beanies in any scenario thanks to the team up
Meta pets and moustache is coming
Captain combustible, coffee grounds on 2, invasive species + any super on 3 could work as aggro
And if you’re really lucky, plant food on 4 is probably lethal
enbiggen makes a turn three 6-6 with double strike
Do a ramp to gravitree deck! 4 twin 4 primal and a couple sunnier shrooms!🌲
Alright, next Fry should do Heroes tier list: post 2024 update.
5/3 team-up Carrotillery vs 4/4 team-up amphibious Navy Bean with buff ability
Rest in peace Black eyed pea you were on of my favorite cards 😢
They should buff Lima Pleurodon to 1 strenght 4 health and untrickable. Plus zucchini having only 3/3 damage and health would be WAY better.
Still a one cost?
Lima is already good value
ah yes I like my lima’s 1-cost 1/4 Amphibious Untrickable while shuffling 1-cost 4/4 leafy minions (that draw you a card) for every card you draw or conjure
I wish we still kept old fig ngl.
28:32 poor Marcus :(
I'm ok with cross-polination, but did they really need to remove sunstrike? It wasn't that good, was it?
huge giganticus super also lowers the cost of the plant tricks lmao
22:28 POISON OAK SHOULD’NT BE THIS BEEFY THE ONLY COUNTERS ARE REALLY SPECIFIC SPELLS (well for me)
Rocket science
@ only rocket science is able to guarantee the kill (i hope)
@@lucazanellaterradeoliveira7582 Deadly, Cut down the size, Explosive Fruitcake
@ 📝 deadly, rocket science cut down the side explosive fruitcake. anything else because i’m going to take notes
@@lucazanellaterradeoliveira7582The most obvious example is locust swarm. Only 3 cards cannot be killed by that without umbrella leaf’s help
Prickly pair hot lava is like a coindown for the enemies to poof
Photosynthesiser is 1 again? Am I missing something?
Imagine they would actually create new content too, that would be amazing
They should make puff shroom a 1 cost but after played it makes a copy of it in your hand (ability only happens once)
There might be a chance to get milled by it especially if you get bricked
Or Pogo could take advantage of it
No.
Im just spitballing here, but what if an actual puffshroom nerf (if you wanted it) acts like exploding imp where it takes 1 damage at the end of the turn, making it act like a pvz2 shroom or add some mechanic where it disappears after a certain amount of turns
Day 206 of asking for firefighter kangaroo hybrid at 76k subs.
(Fry didn't do it at 69420, so I must continue.)
Kangaroo should at least revert back to 5 health like originally and have gravestone