One thing I never noticed till recently: In the Mustafar duel, Anakin attempts the same overhead leap that Obi-Wan used against Maul. Because of that, Obi-Wan anticipates it and counters Anakin, winning the duel. Knowing that, when Kenobi says, “Don’t try it,” on Mustafar, to me it kinda reads as, “I know what you’re about to do. Don’t make me do this.”
Also, idk if its legends now or still cannon but apparently as Anakin was a padawan and still training he used to use training droids to replicate mauls body and practiced the exact same leap Obi Wan did to Maul in order to impress him. Thus him thinking on Mustafar it would work. But we all know you dont mess with the high ground🤷♂️
I mean Grievious has a "gimmick" of 4 sabers, because he is no Sith, not even a Force-user. He compensates the lack of Force powers by having 4 sabers.
Grieveous was an amazing warrior though. He was later turned into what we know him as in the movies, similar to what happened to vader. definitely not a jedi or a sith, but I loved the character none the less and loved all his scenes in the movies. When I first seen him, I didn't realise he was basically a xenos cybrog, I thought he was a mech that was mimicking an organic lifeform with his raspy breathing. was quite puzzled by it tbh. didn't find out till later what he actually was, and this is when I started to like the character a whole lot more.
Local Man untill now I thought he was an old coughing Android with some time-withered organic parts lol I really liked that concept as well though. A walking undead Horror. But tbf an alien cyborg makes more sense.
In the original Star Wars Animated Series Grievous was introduced as a supreme warrior capable of intimidating Jedi rendering their force abilities inert as the would lose focus to panic, while using hand to hand and lightsaber combat skill to break his enemies physical guard. Ultimately this would lead to the death of most jedi he faced off against.
@@joemamajoastar8708 For Jedi, like Yoda, Kenobi, Anakine, or Luke, sure. But for most Jedi, it is not that insignificant. Not everyone has such a strong connection with the Force. You heard the story of Luke, Kenobi, Anakine, Windu, etc., because they were the strongest, and most important.
tbf, I don't hate the talking at the start of the Anakin vs Obi Wan fight, those characters had an established relationship so it makes sense that Obi Wan would try, in vain, to pull him back one last time before they fight. Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have almost no prior dealings with Maul, so the lack of pre-fight chat is appropriate in this case.
Lightsaber328 TheMan Mail is technically a red person and also not a person both in the fact he’s an alien and in that he’s basically property to the night sisters. But understandable you don’t know, you don’t seem like the type who thinks very much
@Lightsaber328 TheMan I don't know how you picked up that I'm an SJW from that comment...? Also, if I was racist to both white and black people, then it would follow that I'm not racist at all, on account of how I view black and white equally...?
@@junker-f3m Recently, people have been getting paid to make accounts with ludicrous names like that and cause political unrest in comment sections by posting stuff like that.
11:58 Instead of being the first Jedi to kill a Sith in a thousand years, he became the first Jedi to non-fatally bisect a Sith in at least a thousand years.
I want Disney to explore that time a thousand years ago. The Old Republic may not be canon but there's so much source material for them to create a story from where the expectations from fans is far less intense and they can go mental from a creative standpoint as long as they have a core vision and direction to follow. In the words of the people who made Spiderverse, they know people are going to go and see the movie cause it's star wars and at that point you can do whatever you want and that movie was awesome
@@UzayrKader I like your optimism in the arrays of the (deserved) pessimist reactions from the sequel trilogy. That said, I also remember Disney didn't start the MCU all too perfect (it was better, but one of the reasons is also my point) which btw was much more fresh in continuity (just starting, compared to the "sequel" trilogy) than Star Wars was. Anyway, they are now starting to focus on what you asked. A high republic movie (or even a trilogy) alongside TV series based on Old republic. Could be interesting.
Well actually I'm pretty sure dooku was only a dark jedi and I'm pretty sure he still kills maul later so and even if dark jedi counts obi wan cuts 2 sith and kills grievous (won't count that as sith) so 2 sith having a lot of themselves being cut off added together =1 sith kill I feel like I'm now confusing myself and whoever reads this
@@KB-bd1xi well he would've killed half a sith before that and it was about first jedi to kill a sith in thousands of years, sidious killed his master and his master killed his master and its basically tradition for sith
Maul: Well, at least I was better than that asmatic excuse of a sith lord! Vader: Would you like a duel? Maul: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED, WEAKLING! Palpatine: (Children. I'm working with children..)
Maul:ignites half of lightsaber Jedi:that is a weird way to hold a totally normal one sided light saber Maul:ignites the other half Jedi:a double sided that is so cool
Dave Filoni actually went even deeper with this very recently. He talked about how Maul's sole purpose in Palpatine's eyes was to kill Qui-gon. This sets up how Anakin did not have the right master for him. If Jinn had survived and trained Anakin, Anakin would have had a closer relationship with the Council and would have been better prepared for losing his mother and Padme. Palpatine's plan to convert Anakin would have been a failure, for Anakin would not be so angry and fearful about losing Shmi and Padme, leaving the temptation of immortality utterly useless, all coming together to make this one duel the most important in the history of the Galaxy.
Hence the term duel of the fates. Its also why qui gon is the one to teach yoda and others secrets of the force as a force ghost, though a formless one.
While I agree somewhat, I think Maul's purpose there was to make sure the Jedi couldn't help the people of the Naboo destroy the Trade Federations plans for Naboo. Qui-Gon Jinn was somewhat of a renegade and wasn't even on the council, as instead of going with what the council wanted, he'd follow the "Living Force." I think Jinn would've been a good master for Anakin, but Sidious' manipulation of Skywalker would've still happened, and I don't think Jinn would've changed anything about it (imo only). You have to remember that Anakin did tell Obi-Wan about his dreams and his mother, but truthfully there wasn't anything more he could've done. Anakin's fall to the dark side was as much down to his own choices than his master's teachings; I think Obi-Wan had done a good job given the circumstances. The council distrusted Anakin because of the darkness he had and the lack of willingness to let those he was close to go
2:59 Did you just call Dooku's lightsaber - a lightsaber that Christopher Lee (an accomplished duelist) designed himself to be more realistic - a gimmick?
This. The shape makes also a lot of sense for a finer more dulling style agains other lightsabers. You can hold it kinda like a rapier to gat the largest distance to your opponent.
Christopher Lee was a duelist? Huh... I knew he was involved in WWII with classified stuff. In LOTR, Return of the King, people commented on how Lee knew exactly what sounds to make for getting stabbed in the back.
@@victorianaharris1755 he was also skilled with knives, was a fighter pilot, and familiar with firearms. While he didn’t fight in the war as he was stationed on a back line post, he’d probably still kick most people’s butt.
I was a bit too young to appreciate the choreography when I saw this in theaters back in 1999, but I've watched the fight hundreds of times since, and got to make up for my 1999 experience when it came back to theaters in 3D.
Must have been something. I wasn't able to go to the movies to see it, but I remember the constant commercials for it on MTV while I was playing with my lego. I thought it was magic. Those were the days.
Maate i wish i was born at the time, it must've been awesome. Now the only Star Wars movies I could see at the theater were 7 8 9, and it's honestly not the same. :/
“I find Kylos cross hilt a bit unnecessary.” He’s descended from a bloodline where not one but two of his relatives lost a hand in a lightsaber duel. The crossguard makes the most sense of any lightsaber modification in the cinematic universe. Edit: coming back to this comment after a month and seeing the replies about fighting styles and semantics is cool, but i guarantee you guys are putting more effort into figuring this out than disney did.
@@punishedtrump8773 If you didn't train with it properly maybe? You could say the same about Maul's dual lightsaber, it's definitely long enough to cause self harm through misuse. But considering that a lightsaber is the best defense against a lightsaber, and a consistent theme of losing your hand because of poor wrist protection, then a lightsaber crossguard just makes sense.
Good theory but that isn't the reason for the cross guard. Ben's first lightsaber didn't have this and Kylos saber needed the crossguard to divert extra energy output due to his cracked crystal. The quillons make the crossguard.
Sarah Davidson Kylo’s cross guard doesn’t make sense though. If he catches a lightsaber with his cross guard then his lightsaber would get cut apart. You know since the area in which an Attacking lightsaber would get caught in would be METAL.
Maul tried that technique 3 times and it only worked once and that was against Qui Gon with obi wan watching, obi wan must’ve carefully observed how maul killed Qui Gon so that he would know what to do in case maul tried the same trick
Ultimate LifeForm that’s exactly the case. Obi-wan actually TRICKED Maul in Rebels by switching to his master’s style, then as Maul went for the handle-strike, Obi-wan cut him down. Three strikes and the battle was over.
i love how when the shields are about to come back down once qui gon dies, obi wan is like “oh sh*t, this dude means business, i gotta bring my A game” and starts bouncing on his toes right before
Vader/Luke ESB is my favorite. It's the lack of dialog that makes this weak IMO. Plus despite it being the best choreographed, it has 2 unforgivable mistakes that make it unwatchable; 1. Obi Wan forgets that he can "force run" which is established in the beginning of the movie. 2. How the actual fuck does DM just stand there like a dumbass and let obi wan cut him in half?
One thing I think you missed in the early fight is just how well it shows Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan knowing how the other fights. They can rapidly swing their weapons in the same space without ever getting in each other's way, which anyone who's tried can tell you is not easy. I mean, possibly my favorite moment in this fight is when Qui-Gon moves his gaze to Obi-Wan, implying Obi-Wan would take the lead attack, and Obi-Wan feints into it without ever once taking his focus off Maul. That's knowing your combat partner.
YungDeegs not to mention after they jump the gap, Qui-gon has utter faith in his student that he doesn’t even move once they both hand, confident that Obi-wan will follow through.
Definetly. They are definitely attune to what the other is doing. Anakin never seemed to fight like that in the prequels. the duel on mustafar showed Anakin and Obi would often be using the same approach and filling the same role in a battle. Qui gon and Obi wan complemented each other instead of copying each other. Darth Maul is probably the only sith that could have convincingly stood a chance that were in the movies.
“As a kid, I used to think the chorus was a choir of Jedi and Sith watching and stoking up the fight. Yeah, I was a dumb kid.” No. You were and are a fucking legend and just made one of the best songs in the series even better for me.
I still like how Maul just sort of stands there while Obi-wan flips over him. He was so sure of his win, and now suddenly something unexpected is occuring, and he freezes in confusion. You seem him look alert before Obi-wan actually moves, sorta confused and concerned at the same time, but not enough to act. I especially love the expression on his face as Obi-wan slices him. His face just reads as 'What? But I won...' to me.
But then canonically he's alive and kinda ruins it. BUT. As a lot of people do, I shall convince myself the first 6 movies are the only Star Wars movies. And 7-onward is the Disneyverse.
@@leovanilla6833 he survived in the old Canon too lol. The old canon had a comic book that featured the final confrontation between Maul and Obi-wan. Basically, Maul showed up to Tatooine and ambushed Ben as he was visiting the Lars homestead. They fight and before Ben can end it Owen Lars shoots Maul in the face and bans Ben from coming near the farm.
Emilio Vanilla He comes back and becomes the second best written character in Star Wars George wasted Him but Dave Filoni made him one of the best Star Wars characters ever
All wrong. Including the guy babbling in the video and making the title. There's a thing called power duel and that's exactly what happened. Another power duel count dooku Vs obi and anakin. It doesn't sound fair but usually the the one opponent is stronger/more experienced than the couple fighting him so it balances out.
@baldy hardnut bruh it's not a smartass comment, it's Just a joke, and even od he corrects the video title, that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy the lightsaber fight
@@Davidofthelost Maybe Obi-Wan's old saber was running low on power, or the force of the arm falling on the ground forced the blood through the cauterized tissue like when you drop a saturated sponge onto the countertop.
This was my introduction to Star Wars, I saw it in the theater when I was 3 or 4 years old. Obviously I don't remember much, but I do remember during the lightsaber duel when Obi Wan's stuck behind the ray shield, my mom leaned in and said something about Liam Neeson's character being a good fighter, and immediately after that Qui Gon got stabbed. I thought that was funny.
@@wildfire9280 no its not that kind of joke its an irony joke, his mom said qui gon was a good fighter only for a second later he got killed by maul and so the joke is shes taking back what compliments she gave.
Easily my most rewinded Star Wars moment as a kid. I’m always amazed by how it still holds up. It’s like too much can be gratuitous, but this forever raised the bar for lightsabers on film
I'm honestly shocked at how many people fail to realize what went on when Obi-wan cut Maul in half. It's clear that his jump would never have worked normally; Maul's senses were just too fine-tuned to be taken by surprise like that. He could have just held his blade straight out and let Obi-wan cut himself in half lengthwise on it. When Obi-wan was looking so intently into Maul's eyes, he was momentarily scrambling his thoughts, as can be clearly deduced from Maul's baffled frown. Obi-wan then used this moment of confusion to get the jump on him. It was a technique that dabbled in the dark side, done out of desperation and anguish over losing his master.
Indeed ... And not just anguish, but with more than just a bit of pure fear and anger, giving rise to almost fury; all things that, to paraphrase Grandmaster Yoda, is what the path to the Dark Side is made up of ...
Nice explanation for the plot hole of Obi Wan jumping while Maul just literally stands there and does nothing. This could also explain how Palpatine so easily killed the 3 jedi Masters.
Actually there is a reason for dooku's and kylo's lightsaber design. Dooku is supposed to be a master duelist and Christopher Lee actually requested the design to make it more practical. The reason why kylo has a cross saber is because his kyber crystal is damaged, thus needing an exhaust port to prevent it from exploding. Anyways that's all. Great video
And Dooku’s style and saber are specially designed to combat Jedi. Every saber and duelist style are highly detailed and intentional. But yes, great video
See, while this fight is mostly nothing short of incredible, the fact that Darth Maul just stands there and lets Obi-Wan jump over him to chop him in half kinda ruins the entire thing for me. It contradicts everything we've seen him do during the fight and it was a stunningly bad choice choreography-wise. Obi could've smacked him on the way up to disorient him or something but as is it just looks embarrassing
Schaffrillas Productions true, but I kind of like the idea that Maul’s arrogance is the reason - the fact he’s playing with his food and he’s so cocksure he’s won this thing - seeing Obi Wan begin to smile is the first moment where he’s like oh shit - what’s he doing- by the time he’s put his ego aside Obi Wan is behind him, slicing him in half. It also speaks to the biggest weakness in any sith- their arrogance and their overconfidence in their abilities
Schaffrillas Productions the way the music swells as Luke goes nuts and destroys Vader within an inch of his life and going full dark side is PEAK STAR WARS
@@abdmin3268 bland? Maybe to you. To many hes the paragon of jedi meaning. To me he's the best character and actor choice in whole sw. Everything about him is spot on you just don't know the story enough to recognise Edit: some characters need a purple pimp saber or horned head to stand out, some have deeper meaning.
@@raukoring i dont know this deeper meaning, but i still like the prequels its just that to me if you skipped episode 1 and start with an older anakin nothing changes
2:59 using two single-bladed saber with a curved hilt is less nonsensical than a double-bladed one. In combat, your mind tries to keep track of each blade separately, effectively doubling the number of possibilities. But the two blades are connected: by knowing the location of one, you are automatically aware of the location of the other. In actual practice, the double-bladed lightsaber is more limited than the traditional lightsaber. It can do more damage, but it is less precise. It requires longer, sweeping movements that don't transition well into a quick stab or thrust. And then you have curved hilt sabers. The use of curved hilts allowed for more precise movements as well as near-perfect flexibility when engaged in lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat. Curved hilts needed to be held more in the palm, farther away from the fingertips. The hilt's curvature also gave the wielder more power when delivering overhand strikes and would change the angle of the attacks by the merest fraction of a degree; this was usually just enough to confuse and disorient an unsuspecting opponent. Some techniques were more difficult when using a curved hilt, but many others became far more effective.
I recall reading in a book that's probably no longer canon that Maul liked to go into a force-induced trance to help him keep track of both blades at once. This would explain his skill with it as well as why he reacted so slowly when Obi wan leapt over his head(He had already come out of this trance, and wasn't ready when Obi wan proved less helpless than maul had thought.)
@@Missingno_Miner that would explain a lot. I still think that the body language isnt persuasive and doesn't show that at all. Maul just looks like he sees everything and the pause before he gets sliced is also a big factor for me. Still as a whole its a banger
I spent ten minutes writing a reply just to kinda share my exp with this topic. Then I re read your comment and realised you understood what I was talking about and that its basically a complete overlap LOL
Phantom Menace duel blew my mind when I was a kid. I was so used to seeing that slow dueling from the original trilogy that I went: "HOW CAN THEY MOVE THAT FAST!?!?". :D
So the level of bad ass it takes to wear literally nothing but cloth into war is what makes the Jedi and sith so dam awesome. The fact that this duel goes on for over 20 to 30 min in real time for the duelist and only 3 shots technically land is astounding. The speed endurance and defense of all the fighters is just crazy.
@@Sirtoastsalot I know that but these kind of details are created because it is a bad moment in the movie and they have to justify it in the expanded stuff. The movie isn't excused by some random piece of media created afterward
@@JohnnyTortel He was screaming the word "NOOOOOO!!!" You think he is just screaming or speaking gibberish and it translates that into words? No, it's just like speaking into a microphone/modulator. His mask was off and he talked normally to Luke.
Ngl when I saw this scene for the first time I was jumping in my chair. I was SOOO stressed and excited and the scene delivered 10000%. It was the coolest thing I've ever seen to this day.
Agreed. I actually really like all of the prequels. Sure, there are some awkward or downright irritating moments, but over all, they are far better than the sequel trilogy.
@@PickledShark Yeah, in general I like Full Fat's videos, but it's kind of weird that he has a bunch of prequel videos now that shed light on their merits, while also having to explain to everyone that no, he doesn't actually think they're good movies, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Sounds to me like the prequels are just... good? And everyone should be starting to realize that. George is vindicated by Disney Star Wars.
@James Davis Absolute load of fucking bullshit. The prequels had shitty acting, bad CGI, Jar Jar Binks, and a bunch of other garbage that the sequels do not have. The sequels lack some vision but excel in every other area.
And as Dave Filoni would later refer to it _“The Fate of Anakin Skywalker,”_ If Qui Gon won, Anakin would have a mentor along with a father figure who would encouraged his emotions and help control them. But Qui Gon loses, which means Anakin’s fate was to be lost in the Dark, not having a proper teacher to help him with his conflicts, and hence Anakin suffered and went through the stages of the dark side Yoda described to him. _He went through fear in the phantom menace, Anger in Attack of the Clones, Hate in Revenge of the Sith, and throughout the originals he Suffered_ until Luke finally brought him back to the light.
I draw from this scene when defending my admiration of the prequels. We wouldn't have the lightsaber duels we take for granted today without them, and you explain why perfectly.
Always loved this battle. - The music - Darth Maul’s skill and athleticism -The pauses in between plasma barriers -The way Obi-Wan comes in angry after Qui-Gon’s defeat.. classic
What I personally love about the ladder half of this fight, namely after Qui-Gon is struck down. Is that it ultimately comes down to a duel between two refined apprentices. I feel Qui-Gon lost because he was older and couldn't keep up with Maul's tricky moves. Not necessarily because he was weaker, Maul just finessed him. Whereas after the fact, the fight has now become personal for Obi-Wan. And this is conveyed through how much more aggressive he becomes right out of the gate. This is an emotionally charged apprentice, who just witnessed his master suffer a deathly blow, and now not only has to face the man who killed him on his own immediately after, but now has to fulfill his duty as an apprentice. By not only surpassing his mentor, but also succeeding where he failed. A bit redundant sounding, but I think my point is sound. 😂
Yep, and then he turned out to be nothing more than a flashy fighter, with almost no dialogue, then got killed. Many of us thought he was going to be one of the main characters of the entire trilogy.
I remember this dude who is about 7 foot and like a wall of muscle (local dude, friend of my dads) got a Darth Maul tattoo for the premier, he also went round with a light saber for weeks, and encouraged others to get them to and hang them on their belt, then when you seen another person with a light saber, you challenge them wherever you were. it was amazing. I had a fight with someone on the metro platform in the city. Whole place went Star Wars crazy over the return. The dude who initiated this had a padawan, but he broke his light saber by accepting a challenge by someone with a stick :D shame the latest trilogy didn't inspire similar events. has been such a let down.
Local Man stuff like this is what turned me into a fan. At a local mall, there was i guess a bit of a flashmob. People went around and created a circle. The two left in the middle had i guess more durable sabers and went at each other with amazing choreography. The one with the blue blade was constantly on the defensive whereas the aggressive red blade user was constantly on the attack but visibly getting tired. Eventually the “Jedi” succeeded and everyone just went back on about their day
@@Rylopero the hype was real for the phantom menace. it had been so long since star wars. It brought 3 generations of star wars fans together (first gen is first movie, second gen I would say were the kids that had return of the jedi marketed to them, this is the group I would fall into, then the kids who just got into it with the phantom menace. was a great time. had loads of duels as well)
@@jimmyboy131 I mean, he does have a lot more lore about after this fight. He does some bad ass stuff, gets some mechanical legs and an apprentice. Who im pretty sure is his brother? I might be wrong. Im pretty sure its in comics and the animated series and stuff. But In the movies, yeah, sadly he is just a flashy fighter.
@@999999SkyGuy That's exactly why I have it. I receive so much hate for the name alone, it's unreal. That's good. We need to expose this racism and sexism going on against white men.
The cross-saber actually does have a purpose. In lore, it was because sometimes crystals would be unstable and those shunts siphoned off excess energy and helped to keep the lightsaber stable. In practicality, it helps protect the user during the cross and can even be used offensively as we see in Force Awakens.
Couldn't agree more! The emotions without a reliance on dialogue, the unique setting, the music, and the tight - TIGHT - choreography in this one puts it over the top. People shit on the prequels often (and generally blindly, without acknowledging the good as well), but I've always felt this was the best duel of the series. When Obi-Warn engages Maul after the laser wall goes down, it's just fucking intense and kinetic.
Nothing beats obi-wans overhead block to the back, to another block in front of his face on a zoom in. The slickest bit of choreography I've seen in cinema.
I was in awe when this came out. I was always a fan of the Original Trilogy since as long as I can remember, been watching it again & again during my infant days and when the Prequels came out. It became my childhood. This is by far the best sword/lightsaber duel of ALL TIME on film!
Ok so here's my take about the "gimmicky lightsaber argument" I'm pretty sure dooku curved his hilt so he can switch from a defensive stance to an offensive very quickly or something like that (that's the main reason he's a good duelist) Greivous's spinning mechanic was used to scare the Jedi cutting off their connection to the force to almost always ensure his victory. Kylo is some emo teen who knows nothing of the Sith and tried to make a lightsaber, cracked the crystal and made it all weird and fucked up. He had to install 2 exhaust pipes on the side and it gave the saber the crossguard look. Although it's never used because a saber would miss the guard and go through the hilt.
I like your exhaust theory. But I still believe that were living in a fucked up parallel universe where Disney made VII VIII XI and all the other universes are laughing on us
The trouble is that these "explanations" are just bullshit added on after the fact. No idea if the General Grievous one is true or you made that up, but its dumb as fuck regardless. Why would some spinning blades make people lose their connection to the force. Creators just try to up the ante; what if we gave him four spinning lightsabers hurr durr. It's all just a bunch of gimmicky bullshit to try to make Star Wars new and exciting. 90% of the stuff added in the prequels, sequels, animated shows etc have just turned this franchise to shit. Shame really.
I like what you said about two pionts One, the actors revealed emotion through physicality Two, the characters personalities are revealed by the time the are not fight, points that are easy to overlook
This scene is the first thing I saw about star wars. I remember entering a friends room and this movie was playing on the TV. I was mesmericed. My favourite scene and song in all star wars
Honestly my favourite bit about this whole fight is how Qui-Gon is defeated, there no “Aha! I have you now!”, it’s just Maul seeing an opening an taking advantage of it, all over within a split second. Even though the fight is filled with the typical flips and spins to make it look flashy like most Star Wars duels, that little moment of realism makes the whole thing feel somehow very grounded
I've always thought that this fight and Darth Maul himself feel almost disconnected from the rest of the Phantom Menace, due to the sheer quality of both. Maul was an INCREDIBLE creation, and this fight was mature, intense, and just perfectly put together .... while everything else in the movie is clunky and a bit dull.
"When I was a kid I always used to imagine the choir voices were force ghost of Jedi and Sith stoking the fires of battle in this history meeting," Y'know, if all of the vocal scores by John Williams were sung by force ghosts that would seem to fit in a sense in them honoring the history of both Jedi and Sith in the vain of Norse songs of battle, or something of the sort. Thinking it like that, it just seems to fit for me.
One thing I never noticed till recently:
In the Mustafar duel, Anakin attempts the same overhead leap that Obi-Wan used against Maul. Because of that, Obi-Wan anticipates it and counters Anakin, winning the duel.
Knowing that, when Kenobi says, “Don’t try it,” on Mustafar, to me it kinda reads as, “I know what you’re about to do. Don’t make me do this.”
Exactly. Thats it exactly
Also, idk if its legends now or still cannon but apparently as Anakin was a padawan and still training he used to use training droids to replicate mauls body and practiced the exact same leap Obi Wan did to Maul in order to impress him. Thus him thinking on Mustafar it would work. But we all know you dont mess with the high ground🤷♂️
I imagine it more like: "Try it you little shit I dare you."
Yes! Spot on. i think i saw this one pointed out to me in a video or post somewhere it's completely intentionally that way though
IMO that's likely why Lucas insisted on that ending instead of using the one Nick Gillard wanted. It brings things full circle.
I mean Grievious has a "gimmick" of 4 sabers, because he is no Sith, not even a Force-user. He compensates the lack of Force powers by having 4 sabers.
Grieveous was an amazing warrior though. He was later turned into what we know him as in the movies, similar to what happened to vader. definitely not a jedi or a sith, but I loved the character none the less and loved all his scenes in the movies.
When I first seen him, I didn't realise he was basically a xenos cybrog, I thought he was a mech that was mimicking an organic lifeform with his raspy breathing. was quite puzzled by it tbh. didn't find out till later what he actually was, and this is when I started to like the character a whole lot more.
Local Man untill now I thought he was an old coughing Android with some time-withered organic parts lol I really liked that concept as well though. A walking undead Horror.
But tbf an alien cyborg makes more sense.
In the original Star Wars Animated Series Grievous was introduced as a supreme warrior capable of intimidating Jedi rendering their force abilities inert as the would lose focus to panic, while using hand to hand and lightsaber combat skill to break his enemies physical guard. Ultimately this would lead to the death of most jedi he faced off against.
The power of a lightsaber is insignificant compared to the force
@@joemamajoastar8708 For Jedi, like Yoda, Kenobi, Anakine, or Luke, sure. But for most Jedi, it is not that insignificant. Not everyone has such a strong connection with the Force. You heard the story of Luke, Kenobi, Anakine, Windu, etc., because they were the strongest, and most important.
"Kenobi always has the high ground, even when he doesn't bit*h."
Wise words
All ground is obi wan kenobis ground mother fuckers
Obi-Wan has taught you well
tbf, I don't hate the talking at the start of the Anakin vs Obi Wan fight, those characters had an established relationship so it makes sense that Obi Wan would try, in vain, to pull him back one last time before they fight. Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have almost no prior dealings with Maul, so the lack of pre-fight chat is appropriate in this case.
Lightsaber328 TheMan Mail is technically a red person and also not a person both in the fact he’s an alien and in that he’s basically property to the night sisters. But understandable you don’t know, you don’t seem like the type who thinks very much
@Lightsaber328 TheMan I don't know how you picked up that I'm an SJW from that comment...? Also, if I was racist to both white and black people, then it would follow that I'm not racist at all, on account of how I view black and white equally...?
@@junker-f3m don't feed the trolls
@@junker-f3m Recently, people have been getting paid to make accounts with ludicrous names like that and cause political unrest in comment sections by posting stuff like that.
@@SynthVoice Ohhh, I see, thanks for explaining
11:58 Instead of being the first Jedi to kill a Sith in a thousand years, he became the first Jedi to non-fatally bisect a Sith in at least a thousand years.
I want Disney to explore that time a thousand years ago. The Old Republic may not be canon but there's so much source material for them to create a story from where the expectations from fans is far less intense and they can go mental from a creative standpoint as long as they have a core vision and direction to follow.
In the words of the people who made Spiderverse, they know people are going to go and see the movie cause it's star wars and at that point you can do whatever you want and that movie was awesome
@@UzayrKader I like your optimism in the arrays of the (deserved) pessimist reactions from the sequel trilogy. That said, I also remember Disney didn't start the MCU all too perfect (it was better, but one of the reasons is also my point) which btw was much more fresh in continuity (just starting, compared to the "sequel" trilogy) than Star Wars was.
Anyway, they are now starting to focus on what you asked. A high republic movie (or even a trilogy) alongside TV series based on Old republic. Could be interesting.
Well actually I'm pretty sure dooku was only a dark jedi and I'm pretty sure he still kills maul later so and even if dark jedi counts obi wan cuts 2 sith and kills grievous (won't count that as sith) so 2 sith having a lot of themselves being cut off added together =1 sith kill
I feel like I'm now confusing myself and whoever reads this
I'll pretend I didn't read that confusing one. Well clarified and ty.
... sidious killed sabage, in response to mr. Confuseding
@@KB-bd1xi well he would've killed half a sith before that and it was about first jedi to kill a sith in thousands of years, sidious killed his master and his master killed his master and its basically tradition for sith
"What a waist of a good apprentice." - Darth Sidious.
If that was intended to be a joke then congrats, my friend, congrats.
Maul: Well, at least I was better than that asmatic excuse of a sith lord!
Vader: Would you like a duel?
Maul: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED, WEAKLING!
Palpatine: (Children. I'm working with children..)
Omg it took me so long to get the joke, it would have took me HALF the time in any other situation
Dude, your idea as a kid that the choir in the music was force ghosts stoking battle isn't stupid, that's awesome!
hahah thanks man!
Full Fat Videos honestly, that's likely what Lucas was intending by using the choir in the score.
I'm remember someone saying a similar theory on a fan forum a long time ago, lol. Maybe it was even you! :D
Even if that's not what lucus intended it's my new head cannon. Easily one of the coolest theories/ideas I heard
No, that’s actually pretty ridiculous.
Jedi: *Ignites saber*
Maul: *ignites saber*
Jedi: ...
Maul: *ignites other half*
Jedi: "This is getting out of hand now they're two of them!"
Maul:ignites half of lightsaber
Jedi:that is a weird way to hold a totally normal one sided light saber
Maul:ignites the other half
Jedi:a double sided that is so cool
@Reece Potts : *is 2nd comment*
Me: This is getting out of hand Now There* are two of them!
5th Reply : This is getting out of hand! Now there are 2 references!
Jedi: Ignites saber
Maul: ignites saber
Jedi: ...
Maul: ignites other half
Jedi: "My Lord... Is that Legal?"
Lucas: "I will make it legal."
lol
Dave Filoni actually went even deeper with this very recently. He talked about how Maul's sole purpose in Palpatine's eyes was to kill Qui-gon. This sets up how Anakin did not have the right master for him. If Jinn had survived and trained Anakin, Anakin would have had a closer relationship with the Council and would have been better prepared for losing his mother and Padme. Palpatine's plan to convert Anakin would have been a failure, for Anakin would not be so angry and fearful about losing Shmi and Padme, leaving the temptation of immortality utterly useless, all coming together to make this one duel the most important in the history of the Galaxy.
Hence the term duel of the fates. Its also why qui gon is the one to teach yoda and others secrets of the force as a force ghost, though a formless one.
While I agree somewhat, I think Maul's purpose there was to make sure the Jedi couldn't help the people of the Naboo destroy the Trade Federations plans for Naboo. Qui-Gon Jinn was somewhat of a renegade and wasn't even on the council, as instead of going with what the council wanted, he'd follow the "Living Force." I think Jinn would've been a good master for Anakin, but Sidious' manipulation of Skywalker would've still happened, and I don't think Jinn would've changed anything about it (imo only). You have to remember that Anakin did tell Obi-Wan about his dreams and his mother, but truthfully there wasn't anything more he could've done.
Anakin's fall to the dark side was as much down to his own choices than his master's teachings; I think Obi-Wan had done a good job given the circumstances. The council distrusted Anakin because of the darkness he had and the lack of willingness to let those he was close to go
This honestly makes sense, especially considering how Maul always just pushes Obi-Wan to the side so he can attack Qui-Gon
“It was part of Palpatine’s plan” has to be the laziest fucking excuse people make for these shitty movies.
And yet, here you are. Thank you for your service.
9:47
My favourite lightsaber move in the entire franchise is the obi wan backwards forwards block
its so sweet to watch
It is.
Mine too!!!! That and when he snaps Maul's lightsaber and kicks him down those two moments...😱😱😱😱😱😱😍😍😍😍
Agreed! It's the best move in the whole fight!
Oh hell I never caught that, that is sick. I always liked that behind the back hand swap that Anakin did multiple times in ROTS.
Still the first Jedi to defeat a Sith in 1000 years.
Laurus yes I agree they said in the movie to DEFEAT a Sith doesn’t always mean kill
And Maul himself claims to no longer be a Sith after this. So perhaps Obi Wan is still the first Jedi to kill a Sith, from a certain point of view.
@@coldfire9500 From a certain point of view?
@@wesleyyoder5654 If Anakin was killed by Vader "from a certain point of view" then you could say the same thing about Obi Wan and Maul.
Was savage considered a sith? Because if so, palpatine was the first to kill one in 1000 years
What really impresses me with the choreography is that Maul is almost always walking backwards without ever seeming to be in the defense.
YES. Maul is very clearly leading them where he wants them.
The transition at 4:33 is perfect. I laughed out loud
Hello there.
Maul: *kicks obi wan*
Obi Wan: *lands 2 movies later*
The transition at 0:00 was hilarious I laughed out hilarious
Key Issues same
He was falling for 10+ years
I love how Qui Gonn's death is a parallel to Obi-Wan's death: Master battles Sith Lord while apprentice has to watch helplessly.
GamePlayXtreme + Disney even with the NOOOOO
Wow! Never thought of it like that b4. Epic!
Oh the poetry.
It's like poetry they rhyme
@Blue very true, i like episode 1,2,3 (love ewan mcgregor) xD and palpatine
2:59
Did you just call Dooku's lightsaber - a lightsaber that Christopher Lee (an accomplished duelist) designed himself to be more realistic - a gimmick?
This. The shape makes also a lot of sense for a finer more dulling style agains other lightsabers. You can hold it kinda like a rapier to gat the largest distance to your opponent.
Christopher Lee was a duelist? Huh... I knew he was involved in WWII with classified stuff. In LOTR, Return of the King, people commented on how Lee knew exactly what sounds to make for getting stabbed in the back.
He was a man of many colors.
@@victorianaharris1755 he was also skilled with knives, was a fighter pilot, and familiar with firearms. While he didn’t fight in the war as he was stationed on a back line post, he’d probably still kick most people’s butt.
Christopher Lee was also in a band.
“I was a dumb kid”
Actually that’s the greatest head cannon I’ve ever heard.
Hyper Sexy yeah, i may use it in a fanfic of mine im working on. Massive battle field and Duel of the Fates plays during the battle
Imagination is far from dumb
Better than disney
My new canon
I have literally come back to this video to agree with this point. I never came up with that as a kid. It's *perfect*
I will never forget my jaw dropping and my eyelids being frozen as I watched this duel in the theater in 1999. Good times...
I was a bit too young to appreciate the choreography when I saw this in theaters back in 1999, but I've watched the fight hundreds of times since, and got to make up for my 1999 experience when it came back to theaters in 3D.
I loved it so much I saw it 3 times!
Me too, especially when Duel of the Fates started playing. Great stuff.
Must have been something. I wasn't able to go to the movies to see it, but I remember the constant commercials for it on MTV while I was playing with my lego. I thought it was magic.
Those were the days.
MEEZLEMONSTER too bad everything else sucked
9:47 I have always considered this back-to-front double block to be the most underrated move of the duel.
Been saying for years its one of my favorite moments, just for how quick both were with their strikes.
"kenobi always has the high ground even when he doesn't *****" - one of my favorite lines about him :-D
That moment with Maul taught Kenobi about the importance of the high ground.
I always assumed Obi Wan's line about the high ground in Episode 3 was a clever bluff to get Anakin to surrender.
4:33 Darth Maul kicked Obi Wan into the future 😆
if only he knew the power of the dark side
@@FullFatVideos
*iVe BEcOMe mORe pOWErFul tHan aNY JEdi*
Or maybe he just fallen for a realy long while considering his beard.
@@professionalmemeenthusiast2117 Even you.
And Obi Wan stays open minded after that :"Hello there" 😆
Do you want to know a fun fact?
My mum sang in duel of the fates.
I’m so proud
That's awesome, man!
Please tell her she's given many people chills and hope with her voice!
Yeah right
NONE I mean it’s not like she was the lead or anything but she was still one of the people singing the song where they recorded it
None shut up I've learnt form I III V and VII (1 3 5 7)
@@RileyTheSpeedrunner541 pretty sure half of us dont know what those numbers mean
4:33 thats some slick editing
thanks haha!
@@FullFatVideos seriously hope you guys get super big!
Moon inc. thank you so much dude :)
Heroes vs Villains in BF2 be like :
Lol Darth maul kicked him so hard he went into the future
I feel like Yodas scenes are so underrated...the theater went insane when Yoda went at Palpatine
And when he went at dooku. I'll never forget it.
@@nuclearjanitors I meant Dooku...yes using the force to grab the light saber was amazing
@Donal Finn Zero people care about your 20 pages you wrote about prequels
Maate i wish i was born at the time, it must've been awesome. Now the only Star Wars movies I could see at the theater were 7 8 9, and it's honestly not the same. :/
C_Force I actually read it all and care and agree because I can feel what he said
Moral of the story: John Williams makes your movie
“I find Kylos cross hilt a bit unnecessary.” He’s descended from a bloodline where not one but two of his relatives lost a hand in a lightsaber duel. The crossguard makes the most sense of any lightsaber modification in the cinematic universe.
Edit: coming back to this comment after a month and seeing the replies about fighting styles and semantics is cool, but i guarantee you guys are putting more effort into figuring this out than disney did.
No it doesn't because then hed' just cut himself with the crossguard
@@punishedtrump8773 If you didn't train with it properly maybe? You could say the same about Maul's dual lightsaber, it's definitely long enough to cause self harm through misuse. But considering that a lightsaber is the best defense against a lightsaber, and a consistent theme of losing your hand because of poor wrist protection, then a lightsaber crossguard just makes sense.
Good theory but that isn't the reason for the cross guard. Ben's first lightsaber didn't have this and Kylos saber needed the crossguard to divert extra energy output due to his cracked crystal. The quillons make the crossguard.
@@240devil1 i didn't know this but its also very cool!
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Kylo’s cross guard doesn’t make sense though. If he catches a lightsaber with his cross guard then his lightsaber would get cut apart. You know since the area in which an Attacking lightsaber would get caught in would be METAL.
Obi wan cut Darth maul’s lightsaber hilt, as he knew that maul would use the same trick again.
oh dang and obi wan actually cuts his hilt again when he kills him in rebels
Maul tried that technique 3 times and it only worked once and that was against Qui Gon with obi wan watching, obi wan must’ve carefully observed how maul killed Qui Gon so that he would know what to do in case maul tried the same trick
Ultimate LifeForm that’s exactly the case. Obi-wan actually TRICKED Maul in Rebels by switching to his master’s style, then as Maul went for the handle-strike, Obi-wan cut him down. Three strikes and the battle was over.
@@chaoitcdie6444 well said
@@chaoitcdie6444 yess i saw a video breaking down the fight even though it's so succinct how detailed it is
i love how when the shields are about to come back down once qui gon dies, obi wan is like “oh sh*t, this dude means business, i gotta bring my A game” and starts bouncing on his toes right before
My mind throughout the video.
1. Suspicion
2. Understanding yet disagree
3. Hmmm...
4. Agreement.
ah thats awesome man
eh.. i think i'll stay with Understanding yet disagree :P
it's a great scene but the best one is still luke v vader in return of the jedi
@@poisondamage2182 i understand yet disagree as well, id have to say anakin vs obi-wan is still my favorite.
Vader/Luke ESB is my favorite. It's the lack of dialog that makes this weak IMO. Plus despite it being the best choreographed, it has 2 unforgivable mistakes that make it unwatchable;
1. Obi Wan forgets that he can "force run" which is established in the beginning of the movie.
2. How the actual fuck does DM just stand there like a dumbass and let obi wan cut him in half?
ChillZ zz my mind through this video
1. Agreement
2. More agreement
3. Even more agreement
4. Some extra agreement
5. ...what can I say...agreement
One thing I think you missed in the early fight is just how well it shows Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan knowing how the other fights. They can rapidly swing their weapons in the same space without ever getting in each other's way, which anyone who's tried can tell you is not easy.
I mean, possibly my favorite moment in this fight is when Qui-Gon moves his gaze to Obi-Wan, implying Obi-Wan would take the lead attack, and Obi-Wan feints into it without ever once taking his focus off Maul. That's knowing your combat partner.
YungDeegs not to mention after they jump the gap, Qui-gon has utter faith in his student that he doesn’t even move once they both hand, confident that Obi-wan will follow through.
Definetly. They are definitely attune to what the other is doing. Anakin never seemed to fight like that in the prequels. the duel on mustafar showed Anakin and Obi would often be using the same approach and filling the same role in a battle. Qui gon and Obi wan complemented each other instead of copying each other. Darth Maul is probably the only sith that could have convincingly stood a chance that were in the movies.
“As a kid, I used to think the chorus was a choir of Jedi and Sith watching and stoking up the fight. Yeah, I was a dumb kid.”
No. You were and are a fucking legend and just made one of the best songs in the series even better for me.
I still like how Maul just sort of stands there while Obi-wan flips over him. He was so sure of his win, and now suddenly something unexpected is occuring, and he freezes in confusion. You seem him look alert before Obi-wan actually moves, sorta confused and concerned at the same time, but not enough to act.
I especially love the expression on his face as Obi-wan slices him. His face just reads as 'What? But I won...' to me.
But then canonically he's alive and kinda ruins it.
BUT. As a lot of people do, I shall convince myself the first 6 movies are the only Star Wars movies.
And 7-onward is the Disneyverse.
@@leovanilla6833 he survived in the old Canon too lol. The old canon had a comic book that featured the final confrontation between Maul and Obi-wan. Basically, Maul showed up to Tatooine and ambushed Ben as he was visiting the Lars homestead. They fight and before Ben can end it Owen Lars shoots Maul in the face and bans Ben from coming near the farm.
Emilio Vanilla He comes back and becomes the second best written character in Star Wars George wasted Him but Dave Filoni made him one of the best Star Wars characters ever
Benderbot50 yeah but that version is awful lol
@@leovanilla6833 I actually thought the same thing. But then I saw ObiWan and Mail's final fight on Tatooine.
Best light saber duel ever...
Has three people fighting in it
What are we doing here?
All wrong. Including the guy babbling in the video and making the title. There's a thing called power duel and that's exactly what happened. Another power duel count dooku Vs obi and anakin. It doesn't sound fair but usually the the one opponent is stronger/more experienced than the couple fighting him so it balances out.
@baldy hardnut man you are really angry over nothing lol
@baldy hardnut bruh it's not a smartass comment, it's Just a joke, and even od he corrects the video title, that doesn't mean he doesn't enjoy the lightsaber fight
@baldy hardnut um, r/wooosh?
It’s actually shown that Maul’s bloodlust is never satisfied, that’s why he was prepared to kill ObiWan so quickly.
Duel of the Fates is one of the best tracks in the Star Wars soundtracks.
hard agree
City in the clouds, hyperspace, and the battle of hoth just to start
Empire has soooo much great music too, and throughout the entire film at that
The absolute best!!
@@asagoldsmith3328 nobody is saying that they dont
One the best in all soundtracks
Something I just realized is that when Obi Wan cuts Maul in half there's a blood spray when Lightsabers normally cauterize.
Night Owl YT not in the OT, you see the arm of one of the guys harassing Luke in the Bar and there is blood as it’s laying on the ground.
@@Davidofthelost Maybe Obi-Wan's old saber was running low on power, or the force of the arm falling on the ground forced the blood through the cauterized tissue like when you drop a saturated sponge onto the countertop.
Kind of looked more like red smoke, maybe some cauterized blood and red skin? Idk how smoke works lmao
I don’t think that this is liquid blood, the lightsaber would be hot enough to vaporise liquid, turning it into a sort of mist.
@@Davidofthelost I'm certain that lightsabers hadn't been fully thought out at the time A New Hope was released.
This was my introduction to Star Wars, I saw it in the theater when I was 3 or 4 years old. Obviously I don't remember much, but I do remember during the lightsaber duel when Obi Wan's stuck behind the ray shield, my mom leaned in and said something about Liam Neeson's character being a good fighter, and immediately after that Qui Gon got stabbed. I thought that was funny.
My god that would have been hilarious
Your mom: well nevermind.
🤣🤣🤣
@@TheRealSephiroth is this the first time “your mom” wasn’t followed with a your mom joke on the internet?
@@wildfire9280 no its not that kind of joke its an irony joke, his mom said qui gon was a good fighter only for a second later he got killed by maul and so the joke is shes taking back what compliments she gave.
Easily my most rewinded Star Wars moment as a kid. I’m always amazed by how it still holds up. It’s like too much can be gratuitous, but this forever raised the bar for lightsabers on film
I'm honestly shocked at how many people fail to realize what went on when Obi-wan cut Maul in half.
It's clear that his jump would never have worked normally; Maul's senses were just too fine-tuned to be taken by surprise like that. He could have just held his blade straight out and let Obi-wan cut himself in half lengthwise on it.
When Obi-wan was looking so intently into Maul's eyes, he was momentarily scrambling his thoughts, as can be clearly deduced from Maul's baffled frown. Obi-wan then used this moment of confusion to get the jump on him.
It was a technique that dabbled in the dark side, done out of desperation and anguish over losing his master.
To add to this, it might be what lead to Obiwan's heavy use of the force persuasion and focus on a defensive fighting style.
Indeed ...
And not just anguish, but with more than just a bit of pure fear and anger, giving rise to almost fury; all things that, to paraphrase Grandmaster Yoda, is what the path to the Dark Side is made up of ...
But I thought psychic moves didn't effect dark types?
Nice explanation for the plot hole of Obi Wan jumping while Maul just literally stands there and does nothing. This could also explain how Palpatine so easily killed the 3 jedi Masters.
ToaMeikhaal really really really reaching. It’s just not good choreography near the end
Actually there is a reason for dooku's and kylo's lightsaber design. Dooku is supposed to be a master duelist and Christopher Lee actually requested the design to make it more practical. The reason why kylo has a cross saber is because his kyber crystal is damaged, thus needing an exhaust port to prevent it from exploding. Anyways that's all. Great video
That also explains why Kyo-Rens lightsaber seems so chaotic and unstable
And Dooku’s style and saber are specially designed to combat Jedi. Every saber and duelist style are highly detailed and intentional. But yes, great video
Kylo can't buy another lightsaber?
@@stickyfingers4217 impossible
They use lore to back up a gimmick lmao, it’s obviously meant to look cool, it never comes into play in any of the episodes
See, while this fight is mostly nothing short of incredible, the fact that Darth Maul just stands there and lets Obi-Wan jump over him to chop him in half kinda ruins the entire thing for me. It contradicts everything we've seen him do during the fight and it was a stunningly bad choice choreography-wise. Obi could've smacked him on the way up to disorient him or something but as is it just looks embarrassing
Schaffrillas Productions true, but I kind of like the idea that Maul’s arrogance is the reason - the fact he’s playing with his food and he’s so cocksure he’s won this thing - seeing Obi Wan begin to smile is the first moment where he’s like oh shit - what’s he doing- by the time he’s put his ego aside Obi Wan is behind him, slicing him in half. It also speaks to the biggest weakness in any sith- their arrogance and their overconfidence in their abilities
@@FullFatVideos Fair point! I have no problem with Maul's arrogance, I just personally can't get behind the way the scene played out visually
@@SchaffrillasProductions that's fair enough! what's your favourite duel?
@@FullFatVideos I'm a Luke v. Vader in ROTJ guy myself, love the emotional confrontation and Luke's sheer brutality at the end
Schaffrillas Productions the way the music swells as Luke goes nuts and destroys Vader within an inch of his life and going full dark side is PEAK STAR WARS
Fun fact: Leam Neeson begged to be in Star Wars
@Will Williams but he doesnt do much
I heard Samuel L Jackson also really wanted to be in Star Wars!
@Will Williams yeah, but the character overall is bland
@@abdmin3268 bland? Maybe to you. To many hes the paragon of jedi meaning. To me he's the best character and actor choice in whole sw. Everything about him is spot on you just don't know the story enough to recognise
Edit: some characters need a purple pimp saber or horned head to stand out, some have deeper meaning.
@@raukoring i dont know this deeper meaning, but i still like the prequels its just that to me if you skipped episode 1 and start with an older anakin nothing changes
2:59 using two single-bladed saber with a curved hilt is less nonsensical than a double-bladed one.
In combat, your mind tries to keep track of each blade separately, effectively doubling the number of possibilities. But the two blades are connected: by knowing the location of one, you are automatically aware of the location of the other. In actual practice, the double-bladed lightsaber is more limited than the traditional lightsaber. It can do more damage, but it is less precise. It requires longer, sweeping movements that don't transition well into a quick stab or thrust.
And then you have curved hilt sabers.
The use of curved hilts allowed for more precise movements as well as near-perfect flexibility when engaged in lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat. Curved hilts needed to be held more in the palm, farther away from the fingertips. The hilt's curvature also gave the wielder more power when delivering overhand strikes and would change the angle of the attacks by the merest fraction of a degree; this was usually just enough to confuse and disorient an unsuspecting opponent.
Some techniques were more difficult when using a curved hilt, but many others became far more effective.
I thought it was because Christopher Lee's arthritis meant he had trouble holding the normal saber props so they made a custom one he could hold.
I recall reading in a book that's probably no longer canon that Maul liked to go into a force-induced trance to help him keep track of both blades at once. This would explain his skill with it as well as why he reacted so slowly when Obi wan leapt over his head(He had already come out of this trance, and wasn't ready when Obi wan proved less helpless than maul had thought.)
@@Missingno_Miner that would explain a lot. I still think that the body language isnt persuasive and doesn't show that at all. Maul just looks like he sees everything and the pause before he gets sliced is also a big factor for me. Still as a whole its a banger
I spent ten minutes writing a reply just to kinda share my exp with this topic. Then I re read your comment and realised you understood what I was talking about and that its basically a complete overlap LOL
@Greg Elchert What I don't get though is that actual duelling swords don't have a curved handle, so how dis it make it feel more like one?
No, sir. You are correct about the Duel of the Force Ghosts, everyone else is wrong.
hahahah thank you sir!
@@FullFatVideos You're welcome, keep killin it!
atlys my man!
It's honestly my head canon now I love that idea lol
I agree full fat, you are correct.
From a certain point of view
Phantom Menace duel blew my mind when I was a kid. I was so used to seeing that slow dueling from the original trilogy that I went: "HOW CAN THEY MOVE THAT FAST!?!?". :D
So the level of bad ass it takes to wear literally nothing but cloth into war is what makes the Jedi and sith so dam awesome. The fact that this duel goes on for over 20 to 30 min in real time for the duelist and only 3 shots technically land is astounding. The speed endurance and defense of all the fighters is just crazy.
Full Fat uploads about the best Lightsaber Duel!
Me (in Obi Wan voice): Hello There!
General Kenobi!!!!
@@FullFatVideos you are a bold one
Obiwan's "nooooo" is way better than Vader's "noooo"
Vader was actually screaming but since his voice translator didnt know what to translate it just said nooo
@@Sirtoastsalot I know that but these kind of details are created because it is a bad moment in the movie and they have to justify it in the expanded stuff. The movie isn't excused by some random piece of media created afterward
Nooooo
This comment thread is underrated
@@JohnnyTortel He was screaming the word "NOOOOOO!!!" You think he is just screaming or speaking gibberish and it translates that into words? No, it's just like speaking into a microphone/modulator. His mask was off and he talked normally to Luke.
2:00
Anakin: Ducks under Mauls Speeder
Obi Wan: " *I see He likes the low ground* "
My favorite is Obi-wan vs Anakin but this is a close second
I teetered between the two for a while!
Yeah this duel was awesome
Full Fat Videos make a video on Anakin vs Obi-Wan
@@FullFatVideos Was the lack of Lucas dialogue the tipping point?
Idk bro when I was a kid the excitement I would get when maul first lit both sides of his saber is unforgettable
So many prequel memes in here...
I LOVE IT!
Ethanol 314 Im just a simple essayist trying to make his way in the universe
@@FullFatVideos "Really?"
So many memes in here.
"Good, Good"
@@FullFatVideos wait this whole operation was you're idea
@@TheBoxingNinja "I've been looking forward to this"
Ngl when I saw this scene for the first time I was jumping in my chair. I was SOOO stressed and excited and the scene delivered 10000%. It was the coolest thing I've ever seen to this day.
Maul’s saber is probably the coolest out of em all but i personally think that anakin vs obi-wan in ep 3 was the best. More touching as well
It was, best choreography imo, and real emotional weight.
The only tiny problem I have with this scene is that Darth maul had a lot of time to react when obi wan jumped up from the pit
He was surprised and confused, so he just stood there froze and stuck, not behavible to react because he's confused and surprised.
He lost his concentration as he turned from hardened warrior to intimidating jock. Only to Obi-Wan wasn't intimidated.
@@donaldmoore8606 Not to mention a fight like that must be tiring, and yeah at the time he won the fight, his guard was low and he got cocky.
Yeah, always had a problem with, looked fake as well.
Cosmic Cleric Right. That scene and when he cuts mauls lightsaber look super set up.
Why does anything positive said about the prequels need to be qualified?
"The prequels are bad, but..." gets kind of old.
Agreed. I actually really like all of the prequels. Sure, there are some awkward or downright irritating moments, but over all, they are far better than the sequel trilogy.
@@PickledShark Yeah, in general I like Full Fat's videos, but it's kind of weird that he has a bunch of prequel videos now that shed light on their merits, while also having to explain to everyone that no, he doesn't actually think they're good movies, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Sounds to me like the prequels are just... good? And everyone should be starting to realize that. George is vindicated by Disney Star Wars.
Keith Thorne
Huge disagree, the sequel trilogy is much stronger than the prequels imo
@James Davis Absolute load of fucking bullshit. The prequels had shitty acting, bad CGI, Jar Jar Binks, and a bunch of other garbage that the sequels do not have. The sequels lack some vision but excel in every other area.
Tocaraca
Wrong
It's actually called 'the duel of the fates' like the song
And as Dave Filoni would later refer to it _“The Fate of Anakin Skywalker,”_ If Qui Gon won, Anakin would have a mentor along with a father figure who would encouraged his emotions and help control them.
But Qui Gon loses, which means Anakin’s fate was to be lost in the Dark, not having a proper teacher to help him with his conflicts, and hence Anakin suffered and went through the stages of the dark side Yoda described to him. _He went through fear in the phantom menace, Anger in Attack of the Clones, Hate in Revenge of the Sith, and throughout the originals he Suffered_ until Luke finally brought him back to the light.
9:47 is my favourite swing of the duel. The double block, in front than behind is great.
XTerra KnightX nice to know that I ain’t the only one who found that really satisfying.
He does it another time too
I draw from this scene when defending my admiration of the prequels.
We wouldn't have the lightsaber duels we take for granted today without them, and you explain why perfectly.
4:33 That's some r/prequelmemes worthy edit.
hahah you should post it ;)
“I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite prequel meme on the Citadel.
Full Fat Videos welp you heard him post it I would upvote it
Probably stole it tbh
no one:
full fat: jewel, jewel of the fates
Michael Scott I’m from lundun you cheeky git
I heard it as juul
J U U L O F T H E V A P E S
Imp Pro A surprise to be sure, but a scented one
Lightsaber jewel that's all I kept hearing and I'm like lightsabers have jewels?
As someone who grew up with the OT and was a teenager when TPM came out, I can't even explain how mind-blowing this lightsaber fight was.
OMG yes.
I’ve been looking forward to this
good, twice the comments, double the algorithm
@@FullFatVideos Hey Full Fat. Can you tell me what is that silent tune on 3 23? Thats not part of duel of the fates
Always loved this battle.
- The music
- Darth Maul’s skill and athleticism
-The pauses in between plasma barriers
-The way Obi-Wan comes in angry after Qui-Gon’s defeat.. classic
4:33 That was an amazing transition, I love it
Maul literally kicked his ass into the future lol
"why did you like this video even if you disagree?"
it's my duty sir
It was between *2 Scotsman*
You're welcome, Star Wars fans
isn't Ray Park Irish?
@@banthafodder8441 he's Scottish
And an Irish man
@@HolyHandGrenade.*Northern* Irish
*THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!*
What I personally love about the ladder half of this fight, namely after Qui-Gon is struck down. Is that it ultimately comes down to a duel between two refined apprentices. I feel Qui-Gon lost because he was older and couldn't keep up with Maul's tricky moves. Not necessarily because he was weaker, Maul just finessed him. Whereas after the fact, the fight has now become personal for Obi-Wan. And this is conveyed through how much more aggressive he becomes right out of the gate. This is an emotionally charged apprentice, who just witnessed his master suffer a deathly blow, and now not only has to face the man who killed him on his own immediately after, but now has to fulfill his duty as an apprentice. By not only surpassing his mentor, but also succeeding where he failed. A bit redundant sounding, but I think my point is sound. 😂
I remember vividly in 1999, Darth Maul is what everyone was excited about
Yep, and then he turned out to be nothing more than a flashy fighter, with almost no dialogue, then got killed. Many of us thought he was going to be one of the main characters of the entire trilogy.
I remember this dude who is about 7 foot and like a wall of muscle (local dude, friend of my dads) got a Darth Maul tattoo for the premier, he also went round with a light saber for weeks, and encouraged others to get them to and hang them on their belt, then when you seen another person with a light saber, you challenge them wherever you were.
it was amazing. I had a fight with someone on the metro platform in the city. Whole place went Star Wars crazy over the return. The dude who initiated this had a padawan, but he broke his light saber by accepting a challenge by someone with a stick :D
shame the latest trilogy didn't inspire similar events. has been such a let down.
Local Man stuff like this is what turned me into a fan. At a local mall, there was i guess a bit of a flashmob. People went around and created a circle. The two left in the middle had i guess more durable sabers and went at each other with amazing choreography. The one with the blue blade was constantly on the defensive whereas the aggressive red blade user was constantly on the attack but visibly getting tired. Eventually the “Jedi” succeeded and everyone just went back on about their day
@@Rylopero the hype was real for the phantom menace. it had been so long since star wars. It brought 3 generations of star wars fans together (first gen is first movie, second gen I would say were the kids that had return of the jedi marketed to them, this is the group I would fall into, then the kids who just got into it with the phantom menace. was a great time. had loads of duels as well)
@@jimmyboy131 I mean, he does have a lot more lore about after this fight. He does some bad ass stuff, gets some mechanical legs and an apprentice. Who im pretty sure is his brother? I might be wrong. Im pretty sure its in comics and the animated series and stuff. But In the movies, yeah, sadly he is just a flashy fighter.
please do a video on Steve Harrington's character development since season one of stranger things
Moon inc. That would be cool
Yes please! 😀
Yess I need him to make one! I made one too :)
@@TheStraightestWhitest Your account name disgusts me.
@@999999SkyGuy That's exactly why I have it. I receive so much hate for the name alone, it's unreal. That's good. We need to expose this racism and sexism going on against white men.
The cross-saber actually does have a purpose. In lore, it was because sometimes crystals would be unstable and those shunts siphoned off excess energy and helped to keep the lightsaber stable. In practicality, it helps protect the user during the cross and can even be used offensively as we see in Force Awakens.
Couldn't agree more! The emotions without a reliance on dialogue, the unique setting, the music, and the tight - TIGHT - choreography in this one puts it over the top. People shit on the prequels often (and generally blindly, without acknowledging the good as well), but I've always felt this was the best duel of the series. When Obi-Warn engages Maul after the laser wall goes down, it's just fucking intense and kinetic.
Nothing beats obi-wans overhead block to the back, to another block in front of his face on a zoom in. The slickest bit of choreography I've seen in cinema.
i couldn't agree more!!!!!
Looking back, that's the only part of the fight onwards that I can say I still like.
ILOVEJETTROOPER the full fight is amazing
I'll try spinning, that's a cool trick
Rolls car
I was in awe when this came out. I was always a fan of the Original Trilogy since as long as I can remember, been watching it again & again during my infant days and when the Prequels came out. It became my childhood. This is by far the best sword/lightsaber duel of ALL TIME on film!
Yo wait, that choir of Jedi and Sith idea is one of the best ever. Like that is awesome!
“Kenobi always has the high ground, even when he doesn’t *****”
I always loved how each character behaved when the shields go up.
Aaaaaaaaaand I guess I'll start watching the prequels again today
sounds like a good decision to me
Ok so here's my take about the "gimmicky lightsaber argument"
I'm pretty sure dooku curved his hilt so he can switch from a defensive stance to an offensive very quickly or something like that (that's the main reason he's a good duelist)
Greivous's spinning mechanic was used to scare the Jedi cutting off their connection to the force to almost always ensure his victory.
Kylo is some emo teen who knows nothing of the Sith and tried to make a lightsaber, cracked the crystal and made it all weird and fucked up. He had to install 2 exhaust pipes on the side and it gave the saber the crossguard look. Although it's never used because a saber would miss the guard and go through the hilt.
I like your exhaust theory. But I still believe that were living in a fucked up parallel universe where Disney made VII VIII XI and all the other universes are laughing on us
It's not a theory, those are actually canon.
The trouble is that these "explanations" are just bullshit added on after the fact. No idea if the General Grievous one is true or you made that up, but its dumb as fuck regardless. Why would some spinning blades make people lose their connection to the force. Creators just try to up the ante; what if we gave him four spinning lightsabers hurr durr. It's all just a bunch of gimmicky bullshit to try to make Star Wars new and exciting. 90% of the stuff added in the prequels, sequels, animated shows etc have just turned this franchise to shit. Shame really.
@@kian-rhysevans5576 Then why comment on a franchise you hate so much? You are clearly here to be a negative factor and to potentially cause a fight.
Kian-Rhys Evans Grievous scaring Jedi by spinning his lightsabers makes sense
1:41 as a FOR HONOR player, im proud of that faint obi wan pulled off
The music is just something else with this fight
insanely good
4:06 That grunt sounds so naughty.
The way Obi-Wan runs at Maul in that final fight, like a bull charging out the gates, with rage at his master's death, gets he pumped every time.
Ironic given Maul is the one with horns.
I love Obi-Wan's little hops before he charges Maul. Almost like his body is flexing and showing his determination.
Anakin:I've brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire!!
Obi-Wan:YoUr NeW eMPirE??
Full Fat Video: uploads Star Wars video
Me: I’ve been looking forward to this
Chancellor Apex, video essays are our speciality
The curved hilt allows a blade to be more of an extension of the forearm. This is a technical combat philosophy telling you about Dooku
I like what you said about two pionts
One, the actors revealed emotion through physicality Two, the characters personalities are revealed by the time the are not fight, points that are easy to overlook
“Yeah I was a dumb kid”
Wtf are you talking about, that is some awesome head cannon.
You are extremely good at breaking down very intense, serious scenes. I love this fight scene, it’s very well choreographed.
This scene is the first thing I saw about star wars. I remember entering a friends room and this movie was playing on the TV. I was mesmericed. My favourite scene and song in all star wars
If they were to add SWTOR's cinematic lightsaber fights...
Honestly my favourite bit about this whole fight is how Qui-Gon is defeated, there no “Aha! I have you now!”, it’s just Maul seeing an opening an taking advantage of it, all over within a split second.
Even though the fight is filled with the typical flips and spins to make it look flashy like most Star Wars duels, that little moment of realism makes the whole thing feel somehow very grounded
Full Fat is a prequel memer.
*A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one*
you didn't know I was a prequel memer? I thought not, it's not a story the jedi would tell you
One of the most positive and engaging Star Wars videos over the last year is about Phantom Menace? Wow. And its Good? Now that's full fat milk!
"Kenobi always has the high ground even when he doesn't b*ch."
I've always thought that this fight and Darth Maul himself feel almost disconnected from the rest of the Phantom Menace, due to the sheer quality of both. Maul was an INCREDIBLE creation, and this fight was mature, intense, and just perfectly put together .... while everything else in the movie is clunky and a bit dull.
I'm pretty sure this scene was the first scene that George made in his head.
LMFAO the everyone has a gimmick scene is perfect
"This duel at least shows us the Jedi at the height of their powers"
KOTOR would like to speak with you
Can we just agree that no other lightsaber duel really comes close
This is hands down the best, probably the best thing about episode 1
The only good thing*
I like the whole movie. Disney parts are a bag of vomit to me. Everybody likes something else.
Santiago Reyes-Retana I dunno...pod racing was pretty impressive as well
No, we can't :V
ESB & ROTJ were far better.
Dominika Perła LIGHTSABER DUELS
I dunno what you’re thinking if you’re actually saying ESB and ROTJ have better lightsaber duels 😂
"When I was a kid I always used to imagine the choir voices were force ghost of Jedi and Sith stoking the fires of battle in this history meeting,"
Y'know, if all of the vocal scores by John Williams were sung by force ghosts that would seem to fit in a sense in them honoring the history of both Jedi and Sith in the vain of Norse songs of battle, or something of the sort. Thinking it like that, it just seems to fit for me.
I love the look on Qui-gon's face when he sees Maul's double saber. It's like "OK, we're screwed!" 3:35