If you feel the need for a floyd rose: floyd rose isn't a problem. If you feel the need for 8 strings: 8 strings isn't a problem. I don't see an issue here. Setting up or simple routine maintenance isn't complicated with a floyd rose. It's like learning to ride a bike.
@@mrtickles5982 slow computers aren’t complicated to operate and maintain. Just like learning to ride a bike. However it still doesn’t make slow computers user friendly which was the point of the video. Acknowledging that obviously the more skilled a person is, the better they can operate any tool/instrument etc. This is more about the tool and not the person. You’re 100% right about “feel the need for floyd= floyd isn’t a problem”. Thanks for genuinely challenging the ideas in the video, and I mean it.
FR takes 15 minutes to set up with practice, I routinely do it with my 7's. (there are some excellent videos with tricks to setups on FR) That said, I would bet most people who purchase this would be blocking within a week of owning 😂
@@LomniIt’s not the ability to do it or not. It’s about the ease of use and being user friendly. Anyone can work with a super slow computer. Doesn’t make it user friendly. But I’m glad you’re so freaking skilled that you can setup a $20 piece of metal in seconds. Keep telling others how under-skilled they are
@@mr.sorenzoThat comparison is misrepresenting the FR. A slow computer is just bad, a FR has pros and cons and at the end of the day comes down to personal preference (even if the pros outweigh the cons only for a minority of players).
@@josuastangl7140 maybe I’m not explaining it well. Let me put it this way: The point I’m trying to make is about the tool, not the person. More skill= operating any tool/instrument better. But talking about the skill doesn’t tell you much about the tool. This is a video discussing the tool, not the person using it.
I have that model and honestly yes it's my ideal 8 string :D Since my first 8 string was the well known m80m from Ibanez and because of it's bridge shape my hand always seeks a floyd shaped bridge on extended range guitars and it's not getting out of tune easily if you love 09 sets :P BUT like the %90 of the FR loaded guitars and + it's an 8 string I can say it's not a user friendly guitar. I said it's not getting out of tune easily because I'm not making 6 or 7 dive bombs with fr when I'm playing with it and I play usually clean stuff with this guitar like wide chords or some like 8 finger tapping for playing the pieces I transposed from the piano. Long story short If you are not going to use this guitar for things that are close to the playing of Javier, you will definitely not be happy and yes, it flexes very hard among friends 😂
@@operaticandroid459 Hats off to you for sharing your experience and doing it impartially brother! Firm handshakes and keep rockin🎸🤝🏼 On the flex side…yeah I think you deserve the ability to flex, going through all the trouble 😂well deserved
I play a 9-String Guitar with a Floyd Rose -Type Whammy. Never had a real problem. Sure, adjusting the intonation is a bit tricky, but that is something i don't have to do very often (always using the same string gauge). And why? Because for me a guitar is not complete without a Whammy bar. Like a car with three wheels or a cookie without chocolate. 🙂 And nine strings are better than 8....
@@kiironoise love it that you know what you want and you’re doing it, my guy. What’s the brand and model btw? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 9 string with a floating bridge
@@mr.sorenzo The brand of the Guitar is "Agile". I don't think that model is in Producrtion any more. Vibrato is a Kahler. Lowest string tuned to Csharp. (Lower than a 4-string-bass hihi). It was quite affordable at the time:
You are absolutely right, I only wanted to make the point that there are people who want guitars with more than 7 Strings and a locking vibrato. I would love one with a sustainer pickup as well 😁
@@mr.sorenzo the additional tension. You’ll find that 7 and 8 string guitars with locking tremolo systems will actually hold tune better over time also. As an example, if you cut 3 of the 6 strings off on a regular guitar with a floating bridge, tuning one string will more drastically raise or lower the tuning of the corresponding strings due to the lack of tensional support from the missing strings that provide ample tension from the springs attached the the claw in the cavity on the back of the guitar. I have 6, 7 and 8 string guitars which are all equipped with floating bridges and the 8 string is the easiest to tune from unstrung and remains in perfect pitch the longest. Bizarre I know, but it’s actually true and it surprised me quite a lot as I was anxious about this when I was ordering my 8 string guitar. I hope this is easy to understand :)
In all honestly that strat bodied 8 string probably weighs quite a bit less than that prs 7 you have. I have one of those, and my 8 string weighs probably around 2/3rds or less of what it does.
@mr.sorenzo about 5 and a half lbs, although it is headless. Add a headstock and it would be closer to 6. Adding more strings usually doesn't add that much weight, the thick body prs double cuts like the mark holcomb and swamp ash are just super heavy. The strat style 8 shouldn't weight that much more than a normal strat with a Floyd installed.
@@shredgordon3240 ok, I did more digging. The LTD JRV 8 is about 9.5lbs (I said 10 on the vid). The body is Adler (30lbs per cubic foot). PRS Holcomb SVN is (7.5lbs). Made with mahogany (36lbs per cubic meter). I don’t know about your headless 8 string (is it a boden 8?). But it still seems to me that the weight difference for these two is palpable (27%). Specially for longer training sessions. Thoughts?
@mr.sorenzo yeah, its a boden standard. One thing to note with prs se's is that the weight can deviate by a few pounds, I believe mine is closer to 9 lbs.
@@shredgordon3240 fair enough. Btw I’ve been thinking about a Boden 8 for a while! How is the neck design? What’s your experience with that curvature on the neck? Is it easier to play?
i have two 8 strings with floyds, they are no different than 6/7 strings with them. some alternative points on why one might say floyds ARE user friendly: 1. tune once and not really have to tune again until you want a different tuning 2. you can keep strings on basically forever... i change strings very rarely, keeping them on for years. if you break a string near the bridge (almost always where strings break), you can unlock the nut and pull more string down (extra windings at tuning peg allows for this many times over) then re-clamp into bridge. I have done this during shows and it can be completed in just a few minutes. 3. locking nuts are the best nuts for electric guitars. they take all string gauges without having to be filed/adjusted, do not go out of tune when locked and also hold tune very well unlocked since hardened steel is quite slick and there is no binding spots. 4. blocking a floyd rose is not hard to do and there are many ways to do it, some very temporary or even permanently if you like. once blocked, it's a very good fixed bridge. obviously I'm a fan, but these are some points a lot of people don't seem to consider that are actually more convenient than a fixed bridge. what you gain in some aspects you lose in others, so at the very least floyds are on par with any other bridge (or in my case, it's the best bridge ever invented) so to summarize, if anyone likes 8 strings and likes floyds do NOT be afraid of this guitar it will behave like any other guitar with a floyd
@@zynosgd9982 Say you have $2300 in bank. why not pay $2300 for your IDEAL guitar? Seem pretty reasonable to me if this is actually your ideal. Not like you’re paying the same amount that is paid for a PRS Core Custom 24
@@mr.sorenzo yeah that's the thing, for that price I can get a fully custom guitar from a local luthier. I'm not above playing indonesian guitars, most of my guitars are indonesian and they fucking rock, but for the same price I'll always try to buy local / custom instead.
@@mr.sorenzoThe song Eizasia on the Mestis album sounds amazing to me. I know he is using it there bc to do some of stuff correctly you need a guitar like this otherwise you would be cutting out a lot of the feeling with the whammy bends.
ez. if you're afraid of tuning a floyd - don't buy a floyd-equipped guitar. tuning an 8 string floyd is not much of a bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string floyd if you now what you're doing. if you don't - welp, it's naybe it's not for you. what infuriates me most - is people buying floyds and then bitching about them.
@@swancrunch don’t get infuriated over guitar talk. We are here to chat, get silly and have a good time. Kinda defeats the purpose of guitar related stuff which is to have a good time. If you can’t not get infuriated, don’t bring that negativity to this channel. And tuning an 8 string with floyd IS a bit of bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string. Simply because 8>6
If you feel the need for a floyd rose: floyd rose isn't a problem.
If you feel the need for 8 strings: 8 strings isn't a problem.
I don't see an issue here.
Setting up or simple routine maintenance isn't complicated with a floyd rose. It's like learning to ride a bike.
@@mrtickles5982 slow computers aren’t complicated to operate and maintain. Just like learning to ride a bike. However it still doesn’t make slow computers user friendly which was the point of the video. Acknowledging that obviously the more skilled a person is, the better they can operate any tool/instrument etc. This is more about the tool and not the person.
You’re 100% right about “feel the need for floyd= floyd isn’t a problem”.
Thanks for genuinely challenging the ideas in the video, and I mean it.
@@mr.sorenzo A healthy argument is refreshing. Respect dude!
@@mrtickles5982 Firm handshakes 🤝🏼 keep rocking🎸
FR takes 15 minutes to set up with practice, I routinely do it with my 7's. (there are some excellent videos with tricks to setups on FR)
That said, I would bet most people who purchase this would be blocking within a week of owning 😂
@@CalanReichel you’re right on the money with the blocking within a week 😂 🤝🏼
If you cannot setup and tune a floyd, it's quite frankly a skill issue. 2 extra strings should pose no problem.
@@LomniIt’s not the ability to do it or not. It’s about the ease of use and being user friendly. Anyone can work with a super slow computer. Doesn’t make it user friendly.
But I’m glad you’re so freaking skilled that you can setup a $20 piece of metal in seconds. Keep telling others how under-skilled they are
@@mr.sorenzo It's definitely a skill issue, but not one to be upset about at least, not everything comes immediately. 🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
@@warhead5043 slow computer is a skill issue? Inefficient equipment are skill issues? smart!
@@mr.sorenzoThat comparison is misrepresenting the FR.
A slow computer is just bad, a FR has pros and cons and at the end of the day comes down to personal preference (even if the pros outweigh the cons only for a minority of players).
@@josuastangl7140 maybe I’m not explaining it well. Let me put it this way: The point I’m trying to make is about the tool, not the person. More skill= operating any tool/instrument better. But talking about the skill doesn’t tell you much about the tool. This is a video discussing the tool, not the person using it.
Dude I agree with you this will not be the guitar for a normal jack like me
Firm handshakes🤝
No it’s not the most user friendly guitar at all - however, the only person who actually want this p.o.s would know exactly what they are in for.
I have that model and honestly yes it's my ideal 8 string :D Since my first 8 string was the well known m80m from Ibanez and because of it's bridge shape my hand always seeks a floyd shaped bridge on extended range guitars and it's not getting out of tune easily if you love 09 sets :P BUT like the %90 of the FR loaded guitars and + it's an 8 string I can say it's not a user friendly guitar. I said it's not getting out of tune easily because I'm not making 6 or 7 dive bombs with fr when I'm playing with it and I play usually clean stuff with this guitar like wide chords or some like 8 finger tapping for playing the pieces I transposed from the piano. Long story short If you are not going to use this guitar for things that are close to the playing of Javier, you will definitely not be happy and yes, it flexes very hard among friends 😂
@@operaticandroid459 Hats off to you for sharing your experience and doing it impartially brother! Firm handshakes and keep rockin🎸🤝🏼
On the flex side…yeah I think you deserve the ability to flex, going through all the trouble 😂well deserved
I play a 9-String Guitar with a Floyd Rose -Type Whammy. Never had a real problem. Sure, adjusting the intonation is a bit tricky, but that is something i don't have to do very often (always using the same string gauge). And why? Because for me a guitar is not complete without a Whammy bar. Like a car with three wheels or a cookie without chocolate. 🙂 And nine strings are better than 8....
@@kiironoise love it that you know what you want and you’re doing it, my guy. What’s the brand and model btw? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 9 string with a floating bridge
@@mr.sorenzo The brand of the Guitar is "Agile". I don't think that model is in Producrtion any more. Vibrato is a Kahler. Lowest string tuned to Csharp. (Lower than a 4-string-bass hihi). It was quite affordable at the time:
@@gertropenusKahlers are very different than Floyd Roses. The former uses a cam and the latter utilizes a knife edge.
You are absolutely right, I only wanted to make the point that there are people who want guitars with more than 7 Strings and a locking vibrato. I would love one with a sustainer pickup as well 😁
@@gertropenus keep in mind that there’s currently no multiscale locking nuts available. The multiscale Kahlers are only single locking.
8 string tremolos are more stable than 6 string tremolos therefore making them easier to tune
@@MooseWilliams are they actually? Why? What causes the additional stability?
@@mr.sorenzo the additional tension. You’ll find that 7 and 8 string guitars with locking tremolo systems will actually hold tune better over time also. As an example, if you cut 3 of the 6 strings off on a regular guitar with a floating bridge, tuning one string will more drastically raise or lower the tuning of the corresponding strings due to the lack of tensional support from the missing strings that provide ample tension from the springs attached the the claw in the cavity on the back of the guitar. I have 6, 7 and 8 string guitars which are all equipped with floating bridges and the 8 string is the easiest to tune from unstrung and remains in perfect pitch the longest. Bizarre I know, but it’s actually true and it surprised me quite a lot as I was anxious about this when I was ordering my 8 string guitar. I hope this is easy to understand :)
@@MooseWilliams thanks heaps for taking the time to share this. Firm handshakes 🤝🏼
@@mr.sorenzo all g brother ❤️
In all honestly that strat bodied 8 string probably weighs quite a bit less than that prs 7 you have. I have one of those, and my 8 string weighs probably around 2/3rds or less of what it does.
@@shredgordon3240 could be if it has light weight wood it in, compared with PRS mahogany. But I doubt it. Do you have its specific weight?
@mr.sorenzo about 5 and a half lbs, although it is headless. Add a headstock and it would be closer to 6. Adding more strings usually doesn't add that much weight, the thick body prs double cuts like the mark holcomb and swamp ash are just super heavy. The strat style 8 shouldn't weight that much more than a normal strat with a Floyd installed.
@@shredgordon3240 ok, I did more digging. The LTD JRV 8 is about 9.5lbs (I said 10 on the vid). The body is Adler (30lbs per cubic foot). PRS Holcomb SVN is (7.5lbs). Made with mahogany (36lbs per cubic meter).
I don’t know about your headless 8 string (is it a boden 8?). But it still seems to me that the weight difference for these two is palpable (27%). Specially for longer training sessions.
Thoughts?
@mr.sorenzo yeah, its a boden standard. One thing to note with prs se's is that the weight can deviate by a few pounds, I believe mine is closer to 9 lbs.
@@shredgordon3240 fair enough. Btw I’ve been thinking about a Boden 8 for a while! How is the neck design? What’s your experience with that curvature on the neck? Is it easier to play?
i have two 8 strings with floyds, they are no different than 6/7 strings with them. some alternative points on why one might say floyds ARE user friendly:
1. tune once and not really have to tune again until you want a different tuning
2. you can keep strings on basically forever... i change strings very rarely, keeping them on for years. if you break a string near the bridge (almost always where strings break), you can unlock the nut and pull more string down (extra windings at tuning peg allows for this many times over) then re-clamp into bridge. I have done this during shows and it can be completed in just a few minutes.
3. locking nuts are the best nuts for electric guitars. they take all string gauges without having to be filed/adjusted, do not go out of tune when locked and also hold tune very well unlocked since hardened steel is quite slick and there is no binding spots.
4. blocking a floyd rose is not hard to do and there are many ways to do it, some very temporary or even permanently if you like. once blocked, it's a very good fixed bridge.
obviously I'm a fan, but these are some points a lot of people don't seem to consider that are actually more convenient than a fixed bridge. what you gain in some aspects you lose in others, so at the very least floyds are on par with any other bridge (or in my case, it's the best bridge ever invented)
so to summarize, if anyone likes 8 strings and likes floyds do NOT be afraid of this guitar it will behave like any other guitar with a floyd
Floyd Roast.
@@MKDumas1981 😂 quote of the day! Floyd Roast is the perfect name for the mental grill that players have to go through for this😂😂
the divebombs on that thing
@@SnowBlnd12 I hear you on that. Tbh I’m more keen to hear harmonics on that 8 string tuned down a step. Which you don’t need a floating bridge for
I would LOVE this guitar, because yes; it is my ideal 8 string. However, I will not pay that price for that guitar.
@@zynosgd9982 Say you have $2300 in bank. why not pay $2300 for your IDEAL guitar? Seem pretty reasonable to me if this is actually your ideal.
Not like you’re paying the same amount that is paid for a PRS Core Custom 24
@@mr.sorenzo yeah that's the thing, for that price I can get a fully custom guitar from a local luthier. I'm not above playing indonesian guitars, most of my guitars are indonesian and they fucking rock, but for the same price I'll always try to buy local / custom instead.
@@zynosgd9982 I can respect that. Hats off!
When are the goddamn single coils coming out by themselves ffs?
@@MadJackChurchill1312 are they that good?
@@mr.sorenzoThe song Eizasia on the Mestis album sounds amazing to me. I know he is using it there bc to do some of stuff correctly you need a guitar like this otherwise you would be cutting out a lot of the feeling with the whammy bends.
ez. if you're afraid of tuning a floyd - don't buy a floyd-equipped guitar. tuning an 8 string floyd is not much of a bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string floyd if you now what you're doing.
if you don't - welp, it's naybe it's not for you. what infuriates me most - is people buying floyds and then bitching about them.
@@swancrunch don’t get infuriated over guitar talk. We are here to chat, get silly and have a good time. Kinda defeats the purpose of guitar related stuff which is to have a good time. If you can’t not get infuriated, don’t bring that negativity to this channel.
And tuning an 8 string with floyd IS a bit of bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string. Simply because 8>6
@@mr.sorenzo i didn't say it is not bigger hassle at all, i said it is _not much of_ bigger hassle.
@@swancrunch that’s fair enough. And at least we are now discussing things in absence of any infuriations. I like where this is going 🤠
Hater
@@GuitarGuy4647 hating what exactly?