Have 325km now on my edge. Midsole still feels very alive. Im very surprised of how durable this is for a supershoe. The yellow paint on the medial side is removed after 200km but otherwise the upper has never changed. The fit has never changed as well. My legs felt great after every long run. Thanks always for your consistently comprehensive reviews!
Again, this issue was a “me” issue. This she is very durable and I’ve been seeing people getting great use out of it. I agree, once the shoe broke in around 40-50k it has been remarkably consistent. Thank you for the kind words on the content and thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
I'd definitely be interested if you did content on the sky Paris as well. Also really looking forward to spike content since there is so little available!
I'm really leaning that direction...but I also loved the Edge Paris so much. We will see. As far as spike content...it will be interesting. I'm a road runner, with zero track background. I'm sure the hardcore track guys will cringe...but it will be interesting for me and the tech in the spike I bought is really fascinating to me and something I want to discuss. Stay tuned. I'm preview the spikes in a short/reel in the next week or so...
I was wondering how you were getting along with your 5K training plan. I would definitely say 3:26 min/km is fast! Certainly a lot faster than my current tempo pace (5:25 to 5:30, yup, I'm slow), but I'm not aiming for a sub-20 5K.😅 Good news is my base pace has increased since I started the speed plan and tempo runs no longer feel as challenging. Will have to look for a 5K race to test myself.
I'm still on it, mostly, at least doing 5k/speed focused workouts. It took a bit to get out of the marathon mindset of volume but I'm there now. The summer heat definitely helped keep me in check on volume. I've had SO many shoes to test though, mostly trainers, this summer. That and the heat, we are having the hottest summer on record here in Taipei (like many places) so it's been busy. I'll do an update video in Sept on my plans for the 5K and the fall...I'm definitely staying speed focused for the rest of 2024 and likely 2025...but I'll talk about how this all fits in with my longterm goals and the marathon... Stay tuned.
Asics foams and my legs, don't really ge tone well, I have poor recovery in FFTurbo+ still (though nowhere as bad as FfTurbo). The shoe was was...but still rough on my legs. Glad they worked for you so well. It's definitely a fast shoe!
I ran a half marathon in these with no issues. Walking in them is unstable but i have no issues when running in them. For context i was 100kg when i ran the half. I agree i wouldn't probably run anything more than a half in them as my pace for a manathon would be too slow. However I've never ran a marathon anyway.
Running is mostly fine for me too…. Flat and good pavement is no issue… but anything other than that they are tippy. The VF3 is more stable due to the sink and the AP3 is more stable due to the width.
Maybe as I am heavier I sink more into the forefoot. Thats why I prefer them to the Sky. The Sky kept me on the heel/midfoot and put strain on my Achilles. The same as the Sky Plus did. @@SagasuRunning
That’s interesting. I’m in the ballpark of your size and I have a size 13US foot. I do think there are disconnects with the flyweight guys with the size 9 shoes sometimes.
@@SagasuRunning 75kg sounds light to me. I was 82-86kg when I was a Cat2 cyclist. I was 68kg out of peace corps but that really messed me up for several years. I don't have a scale and I don't use weight as a fitness metric but I'm sure that I'm ballpark 95kg right now. So thats +25%. The shoe materials scale more or less linearly though in the ballpark of 1.25x the actual mass of the size 9, but the ground reaction forces do not scale linearly. They scale with something like 5-8x body weight or so I'm told (I don't have a definitive reference). But assuming that is true the forces interacting with the shoe for me are not 1.25x what you experience. It's more like 6-10x but the contact patch of my foot strike is also larger with the square of the linear size increase, so around 60% larger. I'm not sure how this nets out but it does mean sometimes shoes have a very different character at a larger size.
I’d be really interested in the Sky Paris review. I’ve enjoyed the Magic Speed 3 and use the Endorphin Pro 3 as my race shoe. Both have the low plate configuration, but looking at my Garmin metrics, I have a greater percentage gain on my stride vs cadence when running a workout or race. So that has me interested in the Sky Paris for a different feel from the rest of my rotation.
@@SagasuRunning I haven’t. Only super shoes I’ve use are the Endorphin Pro 2 & 3. I also have the Atreyu Race Model which has I highly recommend plate configuration, but consider that more as training shoe like the Endorphin Speed series.
@mattbeier Ya the Atreyu Race Model straddles the line, but it’s a high plate configuration…. But a bit more of a trainer for many. I am getting very curious about Sky Paris now… especially after sprinting time in the AF3.
@@SagasuRunning the thing is... SAME I want to start aswell, especially because sprinting and track Workout is extremly healthy for us 30yo+ people. Over 90% of the population never Sprints again after their school time let that sink in.
@@Chungdol I’m interested in the mechanics aspects as well. Spikes won’t let me twist and scuff my foot… so I’m curious if that will help me finally break my bad habit. Doing a lot of 200/400s this summer has really gotten me interested in finally doing track work. The Olympics helped too, 😂 I also want to feel the difference and look at data differences between road 800s and track 800s… shoes and RPE. Also...30+....I got a FEW years on that one...haha. Thank you for that.
If you liked the Edge Paris so well then I would urge you to give the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 a try. It is VERY similar to the Edge Paris, but the plate has ever so slightly more flex to it, a more stable platform (still very neutral) and the aliphatic TPU nitro Elite foam is just slightly softer and resilient. I have both and am really torn which are going to be my shoe for Chicago Marathon (2:50-2:58 ETA, 77kg, 6’ just for context).
I don't know...after my last Puma experience Im quite turned off by the brand. I think I may need to pass on this shoe and see what they release next year. I'm also more interested in the top tier of super shoes, the VF/AF, AP3/4/Evo and Paris series as I find those shoes and company's tech stacks far more compelling. I'm not saying no, but it's unlikely... I will try them on at least and see how they feel.
Interesting feedback as I am deciding whether to go Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 or ASICS Metaspeed Edge Paris for my next race shoe. Puma is more likely at the moment as I already own, and love, the Metaspeed Sky Paris.
Thanks for doing this video. Your take is interesting for sure. Last weekend I got to demo this shoe on a 17k long run and I agree it's a seriously fast shoe. The demo pair I used were likely quite broken in because the foam was very compliant, yet still responsive, even at my long slow distance paces. It wasn't firm or harsh at all (compared to my Sky+), so maybe it keeps getting smoother as it breaks in. The rocker geometry and low plate really moves. If you do get the Sky Paris, I'll be very interested to hear how that does for you.
The foam definitely softens up. I really noticed it after about 60k and then again around 110k. It was never mushy or overly compliant… somewhere between ZoomX and LSP, closer to LSP though. I am very curious about the Sky Paris now… especially after spending time in the AF3.
Wow, I can't say I've seen any of my shoes split like that. My SkyP has 60 clicks on them and they look brand new (mostly due to your shoe cleaning video, thank you very much). Looking forward to your EdgeP | SkyP comparison.
Funnily enough I ran in my Sky Paris for the first time today. Very quick, but agree with your sentiment that it's quite harsh. Half marathon max for me. I always come back to the conclusion, after every shoe I run in, that nothing comes close to the alphafly v1 (not got v3 yet). I'm just going to stick to alphas from now, no other race shoe gives me that wow factor
The Paris series is WAY less harsh than the Plus series was...but FFTurbo+ still isn't as good on the legs as ZoomX or LSP, both of these are class of the field for recovery. I definitely got a "wow" factor running in the Edge Paris... but still prefer other super shoes.
That's exactly what i did with my own VF2. Just a couple of days ago, my invincible 3 ripped in that location too. Nike have rethink the durability of their shoes.
As much as I liked the foam, the fit didn't work for me. They hurt my arches after only a couple of miles. I understand the arch hasn't been built up, so it might be that it's narrower midfoot. I had this problem with both the Sky and Edge Paris. I don't have this problem with their Novablast, Magic Speed, and more. I've been using Asics for four decades and they've always fit me well, until the Paris. Have you heard that elsewhere?
I haven't seen this much in discussions on the Metaspeed Paris series. But the combination of the narrow last/shoe, lower arches and high platform overall would do that to the foot. The NV4 isn't as narrow and has alot of support built in, so did the MS3 compared to the metaspeeds and it was lower to the ground. Metaspeed fit is very much an edge case for Asics and their fits overall.
I love this shoe. It reminds me of the very first vaporfly. I've run a 1/2 in these and they were fine. Once you find the sweet spot, they really have a nice pop. I've put about 200 miles on them and there is very little mid foot wear.
Totally agree, once you find the sweet spot...these shoes are amazing. As I said in the video, this issue was a "me" thing (or bad luck) because otherwise these shoes show very little wear.
In your opinion, can rear foot strikers have a clean foot strike? I rear foot strike then roll to the big toe pretty directly and the Edge Paris seems to feel good at all paces for me. It feels more stable than the VF 2. Also if you get another Edge Paris will you add the super glue earlier to help preserve it? Thanks.
Of course. A clean foot strike to me is about good knee drive, fast feet and a crisp contact with the ground. No scuffing, twisting or slapping. Any runner, with any footstrike, can achieve that.
I second your opinion on the sky, ran them back to back the last 2 days and the sky is, while softer, even more punishing for tired leg sloppy footstrikes.
No. FFTurbo+ is a very different foam that FFTurbo. Both in chemistry and feel. FFTurbo+ in a new SB2, feels similar to a broken-in SB1...but in the Metaspeed Paris series it is a very different thing.
Also interested in a sky Paris review , I have 50miles in mine and legs feel more beat up after workouts in them , got a 10k coming up , saving them as a race shoe now , have a feeling they may to too harsh for me for longer distances .
I have 150 miles in my Sky Paris and 80 miles in my Edge Paris. No issues whatsoever. Starting to see some wear on the outsole on the Sky’s, but they have plenty of life left.
@@SagasuRunning I have a very neutral foot strike and I’m only 170cm, 68kg shoe size size 40.5, that might also affect things. FF Turbo+ holds up ok, but FF Turbo holds better, I actually prefer FF Turbo after about 150 miles on both Metaspeed Sky/Metaspeed Sky+/Superblast compared to pairs under 150 miles. With FF Turbo+ I preferred it when shoe was new. And while I have you on this thread I actually must say something I don’t agree with you regarding Asics foams. I actually think FF Blast Eco in Novablast 4 dies even faster than regular FF Blast in Novablast 3 did. My NB3 was fine up to 150 miles and then started to fade out. But I have two pairs of Novablast 4 and the pair that just pasted 100 miles feels completely dead compared to my new pair of NB4. Still quite soft, but dead. In addition I would like to point out that the TR version (of both 3 and 4) feels significantly softer due to the added height of rubber under the trampoline pad extending both the dampening and spring effect.
@@MrShield1978 It is so interesting how out feet experience foams so much different. I, flat our, will not buy a shoe with FFBlast+ in it anymore. I find the foam too inconsistent and awful. I will consider a FFBlast+ ECO as I have had much better experiences in it (now in three shoes). I also will not even consider a shoe with FfTurbo in it anymore. It's just way too brutal on my legs. The good thing is that FFTurbo+ is very good...and 150mi is about what I expect out of a race shoe...so I'm fine with that range (or racing)...training after that will be fine.
I tore the uppers on a couple of pairs of Streak LT 3, 2 pairs Adios 7, and 3 pairs of Boston 11 doing intervals but I don’t think I have ever pulled the upper off of the lasting board like that. I just looked at a few shoes in my closet and my sense is the forefoot is usually significantly pyramidal in cross section when viewed from the fron - particularly the Adios Pro 3 and the Takumi Sen 10. The Paris in your video seems quite rectangular. I think that is a geometry design to stabilize the shoe. I’m sure there is some cost in weight but it seems functional and maybe a design flaw for ASICS to work on.
Yes…. There is usually some type of flaring form the footbed out to the heel, especially on super shoes. The Metaspeed have always been bowed and now in the Paris series they are very straight. It makes the ride very nimble but you pay for that instability. On flat and smooth pavement you don’t notice it at all you feel is the nimbleness and agility. On any other type of pavement…. It can be a handful. When I saw Clayton Young running on the cobbles in the Paris Marathon… I cringed. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable that must have been. Clayton… if you see this… how!?! 👍🏻
Oh wow! Impressive. Thanks for sharing. Might be some abnormal lateral shearing forces at push-off? If you say it’s not your first tear of such type? Same outsole wear pattern for me: mid-foot, outer touch-down with slight supination, then slight pronation. After 500 Km, the forward outer half of each shoe’s ground to the foam. Hence, I always wondered why Asics put the forward triangle of exposed foam at the outer on their Magic Speed 3 and 5.
The Nike Vaporfly 1/2 and Invincible 1/2 had a design flaw in this area that allowed this to happen, very frequently. Those are the only other shoes I ever had this issue on. I've never seen it on an Asics of any kind. Definitely a combo of the sheer forces my right foot puts on them in speed work combined with the high humidity of where I live affecting the adhesives.
The new colorway of Metaspeed is TERRIBLE, but ULTRA successful as everybody could spot them during Paris Marathons. The biggest ratio of Marathoners running in ASICS I can remember (for men, easily the 10% of the field). Also you were right, most of them seemed to go with the Edge in Paris, didn't expect that.
I like the Olympic colorway Asics did. I’ll see what they come out with this fall. The Edge Paris seems to be the more popular model this generation. I did see a lot of Asics in both fields in the Olympic marathon…. But Nike and Adidas still stood out more in bigger numbers. The Metaspeed finally is in the top tier though…. It’s about time it’s up there. Good to see.
@CharlesMayer-wu5rb I don’t know the Electric AF3s and white Evo1s stood out more to me. The ASICS and Pumas blended together and I often had to look at the athlete to see their sponsor (which was often hard because of country sponsors on their kit). But yes, we did see alot of Asics Metaspeeds and some Pumas (especially in the woman’s race).
@@SagasuRunning The AF3 not so much this time for me. EVO1 all white with black long fat stripes is beyond competition, especially for shots that athletes have the size of the screen. For long shots that showed many athletes, Metaspeeds were more spottable.
@yiann1sk Maybe because I've been looking at more Nike's lately, I spotted them easier. Definitely Adidas, Nike and Asics were easily spotable! I also LOVE that Asics is keeping the outsole colors difference between the Edge and Sky....love that so much.
Will be interested to hear your thoughts on the Sky Paris when/if you do get around to it. I bought the Edge after watching your reviews and trying both on in store. I personally found that one would need to put a lot more power down to the ground in order to get the most ‘bounce’ benefit from the Sky, otherwise it feels flat and harsh. In direct comparison to the AF3 with the high plate configuration, I think I was able to get that massive ‘bounce’ feeling because of how much softer zoomX is as well as the cutouts that the shoe has as opposed to the Sky - keen to hear your thoughts on this. The edge on the other hand was aggressive with falling over feeling that helps propel me into the next stride rather than bounce, but there’s the big chunk of foam between my feet and the plate which was soo nice
The Sky is a much firmer platform than the AF3 and does take a lot more force to get the same amount of “bounce” out of the high plate configuration. However the Sky Paris and AF3 are the only two shoes they truly have this configuration so it would be interesting to compare them head to head. The Edge Paris is exactly what I want this shoe to feel like though. When I’m up on my toes and have a clean foot strike they really sing. The stiffness of the plate and low compliance of the foam work well… though can feel a bit harsh coming from a VF3 or TS10.
@@SagasuRunning appreciate your thoughts to validate mine. I agree with the edge as well. Its really such a good feeling when you land on that sweet spot and you’ve described it well that the sweet spot is a relatively small area compared to other shoes. Fingers crossed I wont get the same issue you had with your pair though
Can you comment on the fit of the metaspeed vs the OG Superblast? I have a size 9 men’s SB and it feels a half size too big. Unfortunately the 8.5 felt too tight so I went with the 9.
Hot countries will cause that . Happened to my takumi 8, invincible 1, NB elite 1 , Meta sky 1 . Shoe glue fixed all that . My problem is that at times, i have a bad habit of curling my toes or push down with my toes. This also happens tosofter soft mids , i noticed
Really the Takumi 8 separated on you? Those seemed exceptionally tough uppers. I remember that they were a short distance kind of a shoe but had that nifty Japanese plastic spike outsole which was really good for dirt road or grass. I think they would have been great for Cross Country.
@@brianreiter5572 it was a very minor split (still impressive) . I also live in a tropical country which degrades glue faster . I also had a very minor split with the sky 1 tokyo , not bad for a shoe that is also not used as often and is 2-3 years old. Colder climates will be more forgiving
I own the edge paris...i am injured atm. I just got spikes for speed on track would spikes be much faster?? Spike and trainers now have carbon plates.... I cant test so now i ask 😔
I will see…. I just got a pair of spikes too. Spikes on a track, vs a MSEP on a track…. I’m going to say the spikes win…. But I’ll see in the coming weeks.
I'm a forefoot runner, have both the MT sky paris and SB2 paris. Although they both have the FF Turbo+ but the MT sky have so much energy return while SB2 not so much, it even feels abit sluggish if you ran at low speed. Funny how much difference having a carbon plate stuffed into it makes. Or may be it's just the positioning of the plate in the foam idk. I don't have the MT edge so i cannot comment on it. As for the SB2, i felt that your easy pace need to be at least 6min/km or faster in order to maximize its advantage, it is not a slow shoe.
It certainly is fun the heel strike it on long downhills… maximum bounce and saves the legs. Though normal forefoot striking I don’t find a huge issue. It’s just too much foam for normal use per my tastes. But when it’s right… it’s really right!
I got a question for you. What do you think about instead of using nylon plated shoes for workouts and what not if you use your old carbon racers that are still good but not up to the standard you would put them in a race in?
That's is what I typically do for marathon builds. I'm usually have 2 trainers and 2 carbon plated shoes. One trainer and CF shoe will be new and the other two wil be older pairs that are softer and more worn in. I use the new shoes for faster/more important runs/workouts and the worn in shoes for the bulk of the training. I've done this for years. Right now though, I'm not training for any race. Just working on speed, as a long term goal. It's also giving me a reason to test and push super shoes (as much as mu ability can) and compare plated and no plated shoes for workouts.
Likely. However, beyond the Vaporfly 1 & 2, which it was a well documented and known issue, I’ve never had this problem in any other shoes form any other brand. In this pair it’s a fluke, combined with the high and narrow platform and the unique forces I put on the area.
Unfortunately, I think your right with that root cause analysis ... The weakest point took the beating, likely because of that "quirky" foot strike in combination with a pretty stiff construction. Call it a stresspoint? Maybe the Metaspeed Sky would suffer less from this, as the plate is at a very different position? Meaning the compression and torsion would happen below the plate, instead of above it and close to where the upper is attached. Anyway, still great shoes!! ;-)
Yup, this is also something I'm curious about. The plate is slightly wider on the Sky Paris and the medial forefoot is a little different shape in that area. I'm wondering if that will channel the forces differently. It has my curiosity up for sure.
Oh no. I've got mine to 150km. I'm on borrowed time lol. I've not done any speedwork in the shoe. I've only used it for a few 10k and 21k and one 42k. Between 6-7min/mile. My wear pattern is mainly outside heel. Slightly more wear on the left shoe maybe due to gait inblance. Rest of the shoe looks brand new. So far..... I agree it's not very stable. It's like run fast, run forward or go home. Very gentle on my legs.
We all have our individual quirks in our form. I’ve been trying to shake this one on my right foot for years. Part of buying a pair of track spikes is I won’t be able to do that in them…. It will be a good mechanical tuneup.
Man that seriously sucks. I've seen many vaprofly 2 with that issue. Asics quality is top notch. I hope they can offer some resolution to that issue for you. If not Sagusa will put them on blast 🤣
Nah, as i said...I don't blame Asics here. This was a me issue fully. If I had seen others with this issue or Asics had a legacy of this issue...I would put them on blast...but neither exist. Asics build quality is top notch. I am rough on shoes at times, especially my right foot....
I’m sure it was. This was mostly a fluke in my form. High end super shoes are pushing the boundaries of performance, weight and materials… I have no issues with durability being low… especially when the performance is so high. You can’t have everything. Performance, weight, durability…. Pick 2 basically.
Have 325km now on my edge. Midsole still feels very alive. Im very surprised of how durable this is for a supershoe. The yellow paint on the medial side is removed after 200km but otherwise the upper has never changed. The fit has never changed as well. My legs felt great after every long run. Thanks always for your consistently comprehensive reviews!
Again, this issue was a “me” issue. This she is very durable and I’ve been seeing people getting great use out of it. I agree, once the shoe broke in around 40-50k it has been remarkably consistent.
Thank you for the kind words on the content and thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
The yellow paint is very easily removable. The one thing they didn't make right...
@yiann1sk Agree. It was the first l, and only, cosmetic to wear on the shoe.
You’ve quickly became my favorite reviewer!
Well, thank you. Also, thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
I'd definitely be interested if you did content on the sky Paris as well. Also really looking forward to spike content since there is so little available!
I'm really leaning that direction...but I also loved the Edge Paris so much. We will see.
As far as spike content...it will be interesting. I'm a road runner, with zero track background. I'm sure the hardcore track guys will cringe...but it will be interesting for me and the tech in the spike I bought is really fascinating to me and something I want to discuss.
Stay tuned. I'm preview the spikes in a short/reel in the next week or so...
I was wondering how you were getting along with your 5K training plan. I would definitely say 3:26 min/km is fast! Certainly a lot faster than my current tempo pace (5:25 to 5:30, yup, I'm slow), but I'm not aiming for a sub-20 5K.😅 Good news is my base pace has increased since I started the speed plan and tempo runs no longer feel as challenging. Will have to look for a 5K race to test myself.
I'm still on it, mostly, at least doing 5k/speed focused workouts. It took a bit to get out of the marathon mindset of volume but I'm there now. The summer heat definitely helped keep me in check on volume.
I've had SO many shoes to test though, mostly trainers, this summer. That and the heat, we are having the hottest summer on record here in Taipei (like many places) so it's been busy.
I'll do an update video in Sept on my plans for the 5K and the fall...I'm definitely staying speed focused for the rest of 2024 and likely 2025...but I'll talk about how this all fits in with my longterm goals and the marathon...
Stay tuned.
I ran marathon in these. Felt incredible. Quicker recovery. I’m currently running 3.30 marathons…these certainly help
Asics foams and my legs, don't really ge tone well, I have poor recovery in FFTurbo+ still (though nowhere as bad as FfTurbo). The shoe was was...but still rough on my legs. Glad they worked for you so well. It's definitely a fast shoe!
I ran a half marathon in these with no issues. Walking in them is unstable but i have no issues when running in them. For context i was 100kg when i ran the half. I agree i wouldn't probably run anything more than a half in them as my pace for a manathon would be too slow. However I've never ran a marathon anyway.
Running is mostly fine for me too…. Flat and good pavement is no issue… but anything other than that they are tippy. The VF3 is more stable due to the sink and the AP3 is more stable due to the width.
Maybe as I am heavier I sink more into the forefoot. Thats why I prefer them to the Sky. The Sky kept me on the heel/midfoot and put strain on my Achilles. The same as the Sky Plus did. @@SagasuRunning
That’s interesting. I’m in the ballpark of your size and I have a size 13US foot. I do think there are disconnects with the flyweight guys with the size 9 shoes sometimes.
Ya interesting. Both Metaspeed put me up on my toes in a very pleasant way. I’m size 9 US, and around 73-75kg…. Not super light by any means.
@@SagasuRunning 75kg sounds light to me. I was 82-86kg when I was a Cat2 cyclist. I was 68kg out of peace corps but that really messed me up for several years.
I don't have a scale and I don't use weight as a fitness metric but I'm sure that I'm ballpark 95kg right now. So thats +25%.
The shoe materials scale more or less linearly though in the ballpark of 1.25x the actual mass of the size 9, but the ground reaction forces do not scale linearly. They scale with something like 5-8x body weight or so I'm told (I don't have a definitive reference). But assuming that is true the forces interacting with the shoe for me are not 1.25x what you experience. It's more like 6-10x but the contact patch of my foot strike is also larger with the square of the linear size increase, so around 60% larger.
I'm not sure how this nets out but it does mean sometimes shoes have a very different character at a larger size.
I’d be really interested in the Sky Paris review. I’ve enjoyed the Magic Speed 3 and use the Endorphin Pro 3 as my race shoe. Both have the low plate configuration, but looking at my Garmin metrics, I have a greater percentage gain on my stride vs cadence when running a workout or race. So that has me interested in the Sky Paris for a different feel from the rest of my rotation.
Noted. Have you run in any generation of the VF?
@@SagasuRunning I haven’t. Only super shoes I’ve use are the Endorphin Pro 2 & 3. I also have the Atreyu Race Model which has I highly recommend plate configuration, but consider that more as training shoe like the Endorphin Speed series.
@mattbeier Ya the Atreyu Race Model straddles the line, but it’s a high plate configuration…. But a bit more of a trainer for many.
I am getting very curious about Sky Paris now… especially after sprinting time in the AF3.
oh god please yes yes yes spike content! Its so rare to find!
As a road runner with zero track background...I'll make the track hardcore cringe (I'm sure)...but I'll do what I do.
@@SagasuRunning the thing is... SAME
I want to start aswell, especially because sprinting and track Workout is extremly healthy for us 30yo+ people.
Over 90% of the population never Sprints again after their school time let that sink in.
@@Chungdol I’m interested in the mechanics aspects as well. Spikes won’t let me twist and scuff my foot… so I’m curious if that will help me finally break my bad habit. Doing a lot of 200/400s this summer has really gotten me interested in finally doing track work. The Olympics helped too, 😂
I also want to feel the difference and look at data differences between road 800s and track 800s… shoes and RPE.
Also...30+....I got a FEW years on that one...haha. Thank you for that.
If you liked the Edge Paris so well then I would urge you to give the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 a try. It is VERY similar to the Edge Paris, but the plate has ever so slightly more flex to it, a more stable platform (still very neutral) and the aliphatic TPU nitro Elite foam is just slightly softer and resilient. I have both and am really torn which are going to be my shoe for Chicago Marathon (2:50-2:58 ETA, 77kg, 6’ just for context).
I don't know...after my last Puma experience Im quite turned off by the brand. I think I may need to pass on this shoe and see what they release next year. I'm also more interested in the top tier of super shoes, the VF/AF, AP3/4/Evo and Paris series as I find those shoes and company's tech stacks far more compelling. I'm not saying no, but it's unlikely... I will try them on at least and see how they feel.
Interesting feedback as I am deciding whether to go Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 3 or ASICS Metaspeed Edge Paris for my next race shoe. Puma is more likely at the moment as I already own, and love, the Metaspeed Sky Paris.
If you already have the Sky Paris… sounds like the DNE3 is worth a try. 🤙🏻
Thanks for doing this video. Your take is interesting for sure. Last weekend I got to demo this shoe on a 17k long run and I agree it's a seriously fast shoe. The demo pair I used were likely quite broken in because the foam was very compliant, yet still responsive, even at my long slow distance paces. It wasn't firm or harsh at all (compared to my Sky+), so maybe it keeps getting smoother as it breaks in. The rocker geometry and low plate really moves. If you do get the Sky Paris, I'll be very interested to hear how that does for you.
The foam definitely softens up. I really noticed it after about 60k and then again around 110k. It was never mushy or overly compliant… somewhere between ZoomX and LSP, closer to LSP though.
I am very curious about the Sky Paris now… especially after spending time in the AF3.
Wow, I can't say I've seen any of my shoes split like that. My SkyP has 60 clicks on them and they look brand new (mostly due to your shoe cleaning video, thank you very much). Looking forward to your EdgeP | SkyP comparison.
Another vote for the Sky Paris, check. As you can see these shoes look very good, like new, other than the tear.
I had a GT 2000 (10 I think) with a separated upper as well, def. not as soon as below 80 miles though.
Taiwan humidity and heat in my case.
Funnily enough I ran in my Sky Paris for the first time today. Very quick, but agree with your sentiment that it's quite harsh. Half marathon max for me.
I always come back to the conclusion, after every shoe I run in, that nothing comes close to the alphafly v1 (not got v3 yet). I'm just going to stick to alphas from now, no other race shoe gives me that wow factor
The Paris series is WAY less harsh than the Plus series was...but FFTurbo+ still isn't as good on the legs as ZoomX or LSP, both of these are class of the field for recovery. I definitely got a "wow" factor running in the Edge Paris... but still prefer other super shoes.
The same thing just happened to my Invincible Runs two by Nike. 😢 any idea for a replacement?
Nike has really good customer support. That being said the Invincible 2 is quite old now. Worth a try if you bought them from a Nike store.
That's exactly what i did with my own VF2. Just a couple of days ago, my invincible 3 ripped in that location too. Nike have rethink the durability of their shoes.
Nike did. The VF3 and I3 don’t have that issue. But it was a problem in the older models.
As much as I liked the foam, the fit didn't work for me. They hurt my arches after only a couple of miles. I understand the arch hasn't been built up, so it might be that it's narrower midfoot. I had this problem with both the Sky and Edge Paris. I don't have this problem with their Novablast, Magic Speed, and more. I've been using Asics for four decades and they've always fit me well, until the Paris. Have you heard that elsewhere?
I haven't seen this much in discussions on the Metaspeed Paris series. But the combination of the narrow last/shoe, lower arches and high platform overall would do that to the foot. The NV4 isn't as narrow and has alot of support built in, so did the MS3 compared to the metaspeeds and it was lower to the ground. Metaspeed fit is very much an edge case for Asics and their fits overall.
I love this shoe. It reminds me of the very first vaporfly. I've run a 1/2 in these and they were fine. Once you find the sweet spot, they really have a nice pop. I've put about 200 miles on them and there is very little mid foot wear.
Totally agree, once you find the sweet spot...these shoes are amazing. As I said in the video, this issue was a "me" thing (or bad luck) because otherwise these shoes show very little wear.
In your opinion, can rear foot strikers have a clean foot strike? I rear foot strike then roll to the big toe pretty directly and the Edge Paris seems to feel good at all paces for me. It feels more stable than the VF 2. Also if you get another Edge Paris will you add the super glue earlier to help preserve it? Thanks.
Of course. A clean foot strike to me is about good knee drive, fast feet and a crisp contact with the ground. No scuffing, twisting or slapping. Any runner, with any footstrike, can achieve that.
I second your opinion on the sky, ran them back to back the last 2 days and the sky is, while softer, even more punishing for tired leg sloppy footstrikes.
That was definitely my experience with the Sky+. I am curious how they compare to the AF3 though…. We will see this fall.
Hi, is the midsole of the Edge Paris softer than that of the broken-in superblast v1? Do you think it is exactly the same formulation ?
No. FFTurbo+ is a very different foam that FFTurbo. Both in chemistry and feel. FFTurbo+ in a new SB2, feels similar to a broken-in SB1...but in the Metaspeed Paris series it is a very different thing.
@@SagasuRunning sorry, meant to ask the Edge Paris vs sb1...
The Metaspeeds are the same shoe, same fit, same foam… the only difference is the run feel. So my answer above still applies.
Also interested in a sky Paris review , I have 50miles in mine and legs feel more beat up after workouts in them , got a 10k coming up , saving them as a race shoe now , have a feeling they may to too harsh for me for longer distances .
That sounds about right. The Sky Parisbis softer than the Edge Paris too. Asics foams are just harsh on my legs overall.
I have 150 miles in my Sky Paris and 80 miles in my Edge Paris. No issues whatsoever. Starting to see some wear on the outsole on the Sky’s, but they have plenty of life left.
Ya, overall they wear very well. This issue was an anomaly and a me thing...I wouldn't worry about it but do keep an eye on that area of the shoe.
@@SagasuRunning I have a very neutral foot strike and I’m only 170cm, 68kg shoe size size 40.5, that might also affect things. FF Turbo+ holds up ok, but FF Turbo holds better, I actually prefer FF Turbo after about 150 miles on both Metaspeed Sky/Metaspeed Sky+/Superblast compared to pairs under 150 miles. With FF Turbo+ I preferred it when shoe was new. And while I have you on this thread I actually must say something I don’t agree with you regarding Asics foams. I actually think FF Blast Eco in Novablast 4 dies even faster than regular FF Blast in Novablast 3 did. My NB3 was fine up to 150 miles and then started to fade out. But I have two pairs of Novablast 4 and the pair that just pasted 100 miles feels completely dead compared to my new pair of NB4. Still quite soft, but dead. In addition I would like to point out that the TR version (of both 3 and 4) feels significantly softer due to the added height of rubber under the trampoline pad extending both the dampening and spring effect.
@@MrShield1978 It is so interesting how out feet experience foams so much different. I, flat our, will not buy a shoe with FFBlast+ in it anymore. I find the foam too inconsistent and awful. I will consider a FFBlast+ ECO as I have had much better experiences in it (now in three shoes). I also will not even consider a shoe with FfTurbo in it anymore. It's just way too brutal on my legs. The good thing is that FFTurbo+ is very good...and 150mi is about what I expect out of a race shoe...so I'm fine with that range (or racing)...training after that will be fine.
I tore the uppers on a couple of pairs of Streak LT 3, 2 pairs Adios 7, and 3 pairs of Boston 11 doing intervals but I don’t think I have ever pulled the upper off of the lasting board like that.
I just looked at a few shoes in my closet and my sense is the forefoot is usually significantly pyramidal in cross section when viewed from the fron - particularly the Adios Pro 3 and the Takumi Sen 10. The Paris in your video seems quite rectangular. I think that is a geometry design to stabilize the shoe. I’m sure there is some cost in weight but it seems functional and maybe a design flaw for ASICS to work on.
Yes…. There is usually some type of flaring form the footbed out to the heel, especially on super shoes. The Metaspeed have always been bowed and now in the Paris series they are very straight. It makes the ride very nimble but you pay for that instability. On flat and smooth pavement you don’t notice it at all you feel is the nimbleness and agility. On any other type of pavement…. It can be a handful.
When I saw Clayton Young running on the cobbles in the Paris Marathon… I cringed. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable that must have been.
Clayton… if you see this… how!?! 👍🏻
Oh wow! Impressive. Thanks for sharing. Might be some abnormal lateral shearing forces at push-off? If you say it’s not your first tear of such type?
Same outsole wear pattern for me: mid-foot, outer touch-down with slight supination, then slight pronation. After 500 Km, the forward outer half of each shoe’s ground to the foam.
Hence, I always wondered why Asics put the forward triangle of exposed foam at the outer on their Magic Speed 3 and 5.
The Nike Vaporfly 1/2 and Invincible 1/2 had a design flaw in this area that allowed this to happen, very frequently. Those are the only other shoes I ever had this issue on. I've never seen it on an Asics of any kind.
Definitely a combo of the sheer forces my right foot puts on them in speed work combined with the high humidity of where I live affecting the adhesives.
The new colorway of Metaspeed is TERRIBLE, but ULTRA successful as everybody could spot them during Paris Marathons. The biggest ratio of Marathoners running in ASICS I can remember (for men, easily the 10% of the field). Also you were right, most of them seemed to go with the Edge in Paris, didn't expect that.
I like the Olympic colorway Asics did. I’ll see what they come out with this fall.
The Edge Paris seems to be the more popular model this generation.
I did see a lot of Asics in both fields in the Olympic marathon…. But Nike and Adidas still stood out more in bigger numbers. The Metaspeed finally is in the top tier though…. It’s about time it’s up there. Good to see.
Agree, easiest to identify shoe brands were this one and Puma orange.
@CharlesMayer-wu5rb I don’t know the Electric AF3s and white Evo1s stood out more to me. The ASICS and Pumas blended together and I often had to look at the athlete to see their sponsor (which was often hard because of country sponsors on their kit).
But yes, we did see alot of Asics Metaspeeds and some Pumas (especially in the woman’s race).
@@SagasuRunning The AF3 not so much this time for me. EVO1 all white with black long fat stripes is beyond competition, especially for shots that athletes have the size of the screen. For long shots that showed many athletes, Metaspeeds were more spottable.
@yiann1sk Maybe because I've been looking at more Nike's lately, I spotted them easier. Definitely Adidas, Nike and Asics were easily spotable!
I also LOVE that Asics is keeping the outsole colors difference between the Edge and Sky....love that so much.
Sellys superglue has rescued few of my shoes
Superglue is magic if you catch things like this at the right point.
Will be interested to hear your thoughts on the Sky Paris when/if you do get around to it. I bought the Edge after watching your reviews and trying both on in store. I personally found that one would need to put a lot more power down to the ground in order to get the most ‘bounce’ benefit from the Sky, otherwise it feels flat and harsh. In direct comparison to the AF3 with the high plate configuration, I think I was able to get that massive ‘bounce’ feeling because of how much softer zoomX is as well as the cutouts that the shoe has as opposed to the Sky - keen to hear your thoughts on this.
The edge on the other hand was aggressive with falling over feeling that helps propel me into the next stride rather than bounce, but there’s the big chunk of foam between my feet and the plate which was soo nice
The Sky is a much firmer platform than the AF3 and does take a lot more force to get the same amount of “bounce” out of the high plate configuration. However the Sky Paris and AF3 are the only two shoes they truly have this configuration so it would be interesting to compare them head to head.
The Edge Paris is exactly what I want this shoe to feel like though. When I’m up on my toes and have a clean foot strike they really sing. The stiffness of the plate and low compliance of the foam work well… though can feel a bit harsh coming from a VF3 or TS10.
@@SagasuRunning appreciate your thoughts to validate mine. I agree with the edge as well. Its really such a good feeling when you land on that sweet spot and you’ve described it well that the sweet spot is a relatively small area compared to other shoes. Fingers crossed I wont get the same issue you had with your pair though
Can you comment on the fit of the metaspeed vs the OG Superblast? I have a size 9 men’s SB and it feels a half size too big. Unfortunately the 8.5 felt too tight so I went with the 9.
Metaspeeds are race fits, much MUCH less volume. The Paris series runs TTS, but are a considerably tighter fit (by design) than a Superblast.
Does the metaspeed paris dethrone the Vaporfly 3 in your opinion?
No, but… I’ll have a video digging into that answer in a week or two… with lots of data.
Hot countries will cause that . Happened to my takumi 8, invincible 1, NB elite 1 , Meta sky 1 . Shoe glue fixed all that . My problem is that at times, i have a bad habit of curling my toes or push down with my toes. This also happens tosofter soft mids , i noticed
Ya… all the heat and humidity does not help. Definitely right on that one.
Really the Takumi 8 separated on you? Those seemed exceptionally tough uppers. I remember that they were a short distance kind of a shoe but had that nifty Japanese plastic spike outsole which was really good for dirt road or grass. I think they would have been great for Cross Country.
@@brianreiter5572 it was a very minor split (still impressive) . I also live in a tropical country which degrades glue faster . I also had a very minor split with the sky 1 tokyo , not bad for a shoe that is also not used as often and is 2-3 years old. Colder climates will be more forgiving
@@macoyupadoodle Me too. I was in Zimbabwe when I had the Takumi Sen 8. Technically tropical but not so humid, really. Not like West Africa.
@@brianreiter5572 modern takumi series is still one of my best runners. I would buy a new pair when mine gives up.
😲 been asics guy for 20 years !.....first time I see such a defect in a asics shoe
Agree...Asics build quality is top notch, has been forever. This is an anomaly but something to watch for.
@@SagasuRunningI have this exact same seperation on the left shoe and I do track so I do faster training on it and I land how u explained u do. 😅
Interesting. Also on the Edge Paris or Sky Paris?
@@SagasuRunning Edge paris
Hmm…. You are only the second person, besides myself, that I’ve seen an issue of any type.
I own the edge paris...i am injured atm. I just got spikes for speed on track would spikes be much faster?? Spike and trainers now have carbon plates.... I cant test so now i ask 😔
I will see…. I just got a pair of spikes too. Spikes on a track, vs a MSEP on a track…. I’m going to say the spikes win…. But I’ll see in the coming weeks.
I'm a forefoot runner, have both the MT sky paris and SB2 paris. Although they both have the FF Turbo+ but the MT sky have so much energy return while SB2 not so much, it even feels abit sluggish if you ran at low speed. Funny how much difference having a carbon plate stuffed into it makes. Or may be it's just the positioning of the plate in the foam idk. I don't have the MT edge so i cannot comment on it. As for the SB2, i felt that your easy pace need to be at least 6min/km or faster in order to maximize its advantage, it is not a slow shoe.
Agree on this and agree on the pace range to get the most out of the SB2. It’s not a shoe that likes slow easy running. It’s a training tool.
I’ve found the Superblast 2 feels best when heel striking as it has a huge chunk of foam at the heel. Not so great for mid to forefoot running strike.
It certainly is fun the heel strike it on long downhills… maximum bounce and saves the legs. Though normal forefoot striking I don’t find a huge issue. It’s just too much foam for normal use per my tastes. But when it’s right… it’s really right!
I got a question for you. What do you think about instead of using nylon plated shoes for workouts and what not if you use your old carbon racers that are still good but not up to the standard you would put them in a race in?
That's is what I typically do for marathon builds. I'm usually have 2 trainers and 2 carbon plated shoes. One trainer and CF shoe will be new and the other two wil be older pairs that are softer and more worn in. I use the new shoes for faster/more important runs/workouts and the worn in shoes for the bulk of the training. I've done this for years.
Right now though, I'm not training for any race. Just working on speed, as a long term goal. It's also giving me a reason to test and push super shoes (as much as mu ability can) and compare plated and no plated shoes for workouts.
@@SagasuRunning awesome 😎 thank you for this information.
Do you think that the high humidity you run in is harder on running shoes?
Likely. However, beyond the Vaporfly 1 & 2, which it was a well documented and known issue, I’ve never had this problem in any other shoes form any other brand.
In this pair it’s a fluke, combined with the high and narrow platform and the unique forces I put on the area.
This is sold out everywhere in japan. The mid section is too narrow for me though.
There is plenty of stock of the Edge and Sky Paris here in Taiwan.
Unfortunately, I think your right with that root cause analysis ... The weakest point took the beating, likely because of that "quirky" foot strike in combination with a pretty stiff construction. Call it a stresspoint? Maybe the Metaspeed Sky would suffer less from this, as the plate is at a very different position? Meaning the compression and torsion would happen below the plate, instead of above it and close to where the upper is attached. Anyway, still great shoes!! ;-)
Yup, this is also something I'm curious about. The plate is slightly wider on the Sky Paris and the medial forefoot is a little different shape in that area. I'm wondering if that will channel the forces differently. It has my curiosity up for sure.
Oh no. I've got mine to 150km. I'm on borrowed time lol. I've not done any speedwork in the shoe. I've only used it for a few 10k and 21k and one 42k. Between 6-7min/mile. My wear pattern is mainly outside heel. Slightly more wear on the left shoe maybe due to gait inblance. Rest of the shoe looks brand new. So far..... I agree it's not very stable. It's like run fast, run forward or go home. Very gentle on my legs.
Keep an eye on that area of the shoe… but likely are are all good. Agree on the run fast, run forward or go home. That is the MSEP to a T.
I wear my shoes down at that same area, and am especially harsh on the left shoe.
We all have our individual quirks in our form. I’ve been trying to shake this one on my right foot for years. Part of buying a pair of track spikes is I won’t be able to do that in them…. It will be a good mechanical tuneup.
Man that seriously sucks. I've seen many vaprofly 2 with that issue. Asics quality is top notch. I hope they can offer some resolution to that issue for you. If not Sagusa will put them on blast 🤣
Nah, as i said...I don't blame Asics here. This was a me issue fully. If I had seen others with this issue or Asics had a legacy of this issue...I would put them on blast...but neither exist. Asics build quality is top notch. I am rough on shoes at times, especially my right foot....
You should take them back and ask for a replacement!
No harm, no foul here. This one is on me.
Something like this should not happen to any high end shoes. It should had been tested for any rough used before it should be released.
I’m sure it was. This was mostly a fluke in my form. High end super shoes are pushing the boundaries of performance, weight and materials… I have no issues with durability being low… especially when the performance is so high. You can’t have everything. Performance, weight, durability…. Pick 2 basically.
I have the edge Paris also, no issues with tearing or ripping for me, but from a feel perspective I prefer the vaporfly 3 and alphafly 3.
I’m m going to get into this in the video I mentioned…. With data…. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻
That is so Nike Invencible 1 and 2
Oh yes, I had forgotten that then also did that medial upper separation thing.
I don't know about Asics, but Nike would refund you for these issues as long as you bought it online. I was able to do it with Alphafly1.
I know Nike’s policies well… partly why I’m so loyal to them. Asics is a bit different for me, especially here in Taiwan. It’s all good though…
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