Waldorf Quantum Revisited
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2020
- It will soon be a year since I first bought the Waldorf Quantum, and it's been over seven months since I made my last video on it. So here after all this time is another look at this flagship hybrid polyphonic synthesiser from Waldorf, this time running v2 firmware.
We have a lot in common Tim. I'm a professional photographer (architectural/interior design).The two most influential investments I ever made was my Nikon D800 and the Waldorf Quantum. I got mine in March when the world started changing and I realized I was going to be home for a while. It is expensive but I realized that the Quantum would make my GR-1 and 30 voice XT rack expendable and go about halfway towards the cost. The Quantum looks/feels/acts like a $10k synth. Is it for everyone? No. But if you love sound design and have your own samples to fill it with - it is a dream. Never had imagined how amazing it would be to explore and learn. I got an MPC Live in January and have created about 400 samples. The Quantum must be the best sample playback machine around. I love taking a sample and placing it in osc 1 and 2, ping pong both continuously but start the 2nd sample playback backwards. It gives a wonderful evolving wash on synth pads. I have many warm analog pads/sounds that I'm so impressed with. Resampling samples as you manually move through the sample granularly is wicked. Put endless reverb attached to the wheel at max. So fun. I have a Ventris reverb but the Quantum reverb is so good that I don't need the Ventris with this synth. Perhaps the best reverb available on a synth. The mod matrix, 40 slots - and almost anything can be modulated, and so quickly and intuitively with the mod interface, is just brilliant. The ability to create presets of oscillators, wavetables, effects settings and so many things is bonkers. 5 !! synth engines and still evolving. I can go on and on. In the end, it all comes down to sound, and I get blown away every evening at the sound of this machine. Hours just fly by. Basically there is nothing else out there close to the Quantum. It will be looked back 25/50 years on as a groundbreaking historical synth. Cheers mate, love your vids and passion.
I think you just wrote the most convincing comment ever
@* AnimalHeadSpirit * I've had the chance to try the Quantum at home. And ended up with buying a Summit and an Argon 8. 2 synths that sound incredibly warm and organic. 2 things I completely missed in the Quantum. A zillion features indeed. Perfect for sound design and cinematics. But the Quantum / Iridium both lack 'musicality' and character. I also use Omisphere. And to be honest, it simply sounds better than Quantum. Since Waldorf XT & Q, they managed to put synths on the market that blow you away with a zillion features, but unfortunately without character...And the majority of synth buyers are blinded by knobs and features, and so missing the real importance. So if I want to do weirdo stuff, I turn on my V-synth XT. Same issue. Absolute cult machine, but plastic sound. Put a JD990 (I own 3x) alongside the Quantum, and you'll understand what I mean. And that's a simple rompler...but with an incredible impressive lush sound. Not that I wouldn't want a Quantum or Iridium. Just as a toy to create stupid impressive sounds. Maybe one day. :-)
@@sK3LeTvM1 Interesting feedback. A good way to get your warmth back in digital sounding synths is using an external analog direct box, or other effects. An analog EQ and Compressor can take most digital sounds and turn them into the timbre you desire. Of course at more expense and time. But I've discovered this. I typically put all my synths though a rack mounted direct box that boosts and warms up the signal without noise. It's been in my set up for decades and works well.
amen..
This is not only a demo, it is a tutorial too.
Thank you very much for sharing it.
Quantum was always out of my price range, but if the Iridium is priced like the Kyra, I’ll be buying it hopefully as soon as it’s released.
Edit: well things change I guess, bought a new quantum
You enjoying it?
Now you have to sell for a mark 2 💀
Yahoo!!!! Thanks for posting again on the quantum. Well done. Looking forward to more in-depth quantum tutorials. Thanks again.
Great to see you Tim. Keep up the absolutely fantastic work.
That „Tim Shoebridge Sampled Pad“ sounds fantastic! Great video, it shows a lot of passion and appreciation for this masterpiece of engineering, with many intelligent comments and thoughts. I really enjoy watching all your videos, thank you very much for all your efforts!
Fantastic sounds! I was curious about this instrument. Your approach and perspective are making it very desirable.
Thanks for bringing the Quantum back Tim. This synth hasn't seen the quality of coverage that it deserves - but your channel is helping swing that situation around the other way...
I don't own a Waldorf, but I like watching your video's as they are always well presented and accompanied by some lovely music.
And it is always nice to see that a manufacturer gives such significant updates to their product. Well done Waldorf!
Such a great review. I really like your own patches, and melodies.
Thank you for the follow up! I was planning on writing soon to see if your screen issues had been addressed. Appreciate your thorough videos!
Daniel Pirone I was about to do the same! I was even looking at the Prophet X videos that Tim has done as I wasn’t sure if I should be lusting after the Quantum or the Prophet X. It was a very pleasant surprise to see another Quantum video I was wondering if Tim had got rid of it :))
Great video Tim, good to see you back in the saddle with some really nice patches. the screen test thing is weird though as the common screen problem was the rightmost 10mm being virtually dead, which I thought you had also. Mine worked fine in that xy pad area, but waldorf replaced the screen panel due to that right side issue and the replacement works perfectly across the whole screen now.
Fantastic patches, great video.
Wow! amazing sounds!
Thanks Tim, great video. I have a Quantum, at first when I started using it, it was a little under whelming. But after time, I realised it was used more on my music than anything else! I work with synths everyday and could see myself selling all the many other synths I have collected over the years and just keeping the Quantum, The new presets that are available with the Firmware V2 are excellent too.
Niice production format and informative
I have the Quantum, it is one of the best synths I’ve ever owned, very deep with very much limitless possibilities. I love the stereo aspects too but really like the sound of the Quantum’s analog filters. The one and only thing I miss is having multi timbral layers to sequence at the same time like the Waldorf Q or Novation Supernova 2. Many modern synths don’t tend to have this in fact. Maybe it was a fashion thing in the 90’s. Really enjoyed your video👍
Fantastic video Tim. It really exhibits how the Quantum has evolved, and continues to evolve. I love my Quantum and find more to explore every day. My favourite thing to do is load old Fairlight samples in and manipulate them in new and interesting ways - a real juxtaposition of the old and the new. Video, lighting and colour correction looks great too. Is that a Moog One in the background?
phantasy flies by imagining recording nature with the Zoom H6 and then mangling the sound in the Quantum
I agree the Quantum is perhaps the best overall sound design synthesizer on the market. Yes, it does not do everything but it still amazes me. Best investment!
I have to admit the content of this video is way over my head, BUT, I thoroughly enjoyed it, thank you
My favorite VST synthesizer of all time was the Waldorf PPG, so the Quantum would be right up my alley. I do own a Yamaha Montage, which is a very deep and well thought out digital synth. I feel I've only scratched the surface of the sound design possibilities of the Montage, so maybe I should enjoy the synthesizers I have before I buy a Quantum. Note: I did end up buying the Serum VST and that scratched my wavetable itch very nicely! I still have the Quantum in my sights though.
Cheers for the video Tim, up to your usual high standards. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this synth, I was even thinking about the Prophet X as the wait for the latest firmware for the Quantum seemed to be going on forever. Has this new version satisfied all your needs and gripes?
Enjoyed this video, thanks. As a v-synth user the quantum has always intrigued me and it is nice to see it positively evolve, since it is often a concern with flagship synths that they'll abandon it too soon or hastily round it off. It sounds majestic and is great to see such an adventurous synth in current production.
I rebought a V-Synth a year or so ago as I feel they are future classics, and will one day be silly money. I still feel that, but the more I see of the Quantum the more I think it could replace my V-Synth and Waldorf XTk, and let me condense two synths down into one and save some space. I see my studio gear as part of my pension, so I'm not wanting to sell two synths that may well rocket in price in the future, but it's such a tempting proposition! What's a boy to do?!?
@@fizmo100 wealth consists not in having great possessions, but in having few wants!
@@RaveyStabs Always a valid point and worth bearing in mind, thanks for the reminder. There's no getting away from the fact these synths are expensive though, and wealth is also accrued from putting what money you have in places it will grow over time rather than places it will dwindle. I try to put mine into things which I can enjoy in the here-and-now, but also will appreciate over time. Nothing wrong with that. 🙂
@@fizmo100 Yep that's good reasoning, better than stocks & shares in many ways! Software or even Behringer hardware clones doesn't seem to be affecting costs of original synths at the moment, but I do wonder if their USPs/demand will fade over time, especially as emulation precision advances and interface improvements get added.
@@fizmo100I’d keep the V-Synth. There isn’t any overlap with the vocal designer and Quantum.
Quantum is nice for having so much synthesis I’m in one ecosystem. Though there are other systems like the Kronos or PC4K that also have a myriad of synthesis options.
The Kernel engine is more than just FM thanks to the ability to use wavetables within the kernels as modulation sources and sounds, plus the ability to freely mix each of the kernels between the 5 different types - Phase FM, Traditional FM, AM, Ring mod and Wavetable. As someone who has spent a lot of time with the Kernel engine, and who has owned some dedicated FM synths in the past (Yamaha FS1R among them) i can say that the sonic pallette of the new engine can produce tones that FM simply cannot. It is particularly good for creating evolving pads as well as organic basses and drones with endless modulated complexiity thanks to the kernel mod matrix and the Global mod matrix.
By the way, can it sing like fs1r, with human voice? And fs1r had formant filters / sequences which I can think is not available in Quantum. Can Quantum process the sampled human voice like V-Synth as well? And also, is there kind of Time Trip pad (for granular audio) or comparable controller?
@@euggie2000there is the XY pad on the screen but nothing like the vocal designer. I would imagine you could do time trip pad effects via the Particle engine… but since I don’t own a V-Synth or Quamtum I can’t say for sure.
I'm with you on the stereo thing - when you do 'binaural' patches with oscillators detuned in stereo, your brain is doing the psycho acoustic effect and you get lush and transparent sounds 🤯
Thanks, would love your opinion on the 3.0 update. Just received my MK2 and love the FATAR TP/8SK keyboard with 61 semi-weighted keys and polyphonic aftertouch..
Beautiful indeed. Kyra and prophet x are my crush at the momemt
I did factory patches for this baby. Not a bad synth, but I wish it had a D-Beam and a secret compartment for "rave stuff".
Have you checked in the Analog Filters the Filter Domain - Analog or Digital ? The Digital option (wich is a kind of Emulatrion / alternative to the Analog filters) , it keeps the Stereo signal and allows you to also use the Digital Formers for other functions.
Good tip .Also try going in the Control tab in the oscillators and to the bottom right knob by the screen and change the destination from Main to VCA. Can give a much more "synthy" sound to patches in most cases.
@@moonsofjupiter yeah...but that avoids the filters....wich can be very desireble in some patches. But the domain option, in terms of worffliw options is just like the analog, akthough it sounds a little different, speciaaly in the Resonance. But is a great option to have.
Yes! Synth daddy returns with the long awaited return to Quantum!
Tim, enjoyed the video. I agree with some of the other comments that the Kernel Engine includes a lot more than DX7 emulation style FM, but it was still good to see someone concentrate on the Quantum's capabilities as a sampler.
Hi there Tim. Thanks again for the wonderful detailed an informative video. I was wondering if you could tell me the easiest way to get my daughter playing her violin into the quantum. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks again for the videos can’t wait for the next in. It would be nice if Waldorf dove head long into the quantum tutorials.
Microphone to one of the audio inputs 🧐
how does it compare to the "Waldorf Q+" (e.g. multitimbrality, etc.)?
Please could you do a video on the physical modelling oscillators Tim? I believe sine waves and comb filters can also produce some realistic organic tones like the the Nonlinear Labs 15. A lot of what you mentioned with regard to the sampling and fusing of organic tones with synthesis sounds like the Prophet X. What do you think of that synth compared to the Quantum in terms of sound and features? It's certainly got a lot more sample space. Do waldorf include good samples or where do you tend to get your samples for it? What do you think of it vs the peak/summit?
“Fusing organic tones with synthesis”
Harmor, Alchemy, Kronos, PC4K, V-Synth and Osmose all come to mind. Or any granular/additive/spectral synth like Pigments.
There is also one by Tone2 that they tout as the ultimate sample manipulation tool but I’ve never delved into their synths in depth.
Great Video! This is what I call Quantum entanglement ... har har har ha ha
Hello. Beautiful review and sounds!
So , now within Iridium , even filters are digital. Do you think stereophony got better ?
Thanks a lot. I think the stereo is the same as the Quantum when only digital filters are used. But what has improved is polyphony, now 16 voices in iridium!
As a sampler, it's not even up to the Ensoniq ASR 10. Where is the bidirectional loop? Where is the reverse crossfade? I'm not talking about resynthesis. They could have done that already. In general, it is not clear why to shove everything into one device?
I don’t get it Tim, the screen test you showed doesn’t apply to the are outside the middle section, I am not meaning to nit pick, it just doesn’t seem a definitive test.
I am interested in an iridium.
I’m thinking of waiting a couple of years when they have gone through at least 1 more batch run.
Shame though.
What do you think about hardware issues with these?
Thanks.
@ about 9:40 you mention your original interest in the Quantum was the particle engine particularly the process of applying subtractive synthesis to processed samples (this also interests me though I don't have a Quantum). On that basis, did you also consider the Sequential Prophet X? (though looking at the amount of gear behind you you may well have on anyway, lol!)
Yes I did actually own a PX prior to getting the Quantum. I had started making videos on the PX when it developed a hardware fault and had to be returned to DSI after a month of various attempts to get it working again. At that point I decided that the PX wasn't for me, but I am sure that the firmware and DSI's ability to remotely support it have both improved a lot since that time.
In general I loved the interface of the PX, it's stereo filter setup, effects and the overall sound, but I thought a large portion of the sample set installed on it was not curated especially for the synth but had been cobbled together and was not really well thought out or very suitable to be perfectly honest.
Sounds fair. Really GASing for a Quantum. Thanks for the vid, helpful, though my ‘financial manager’ keeps telling me stop watching videos about expensive synths ;)
@@jimharris6389 I Have both PX and Quantum ...the sound charater is very different....Check the demos and you will know what i mean.
Tim Shoebridge Totally agree on your criticism about the PX samples. That‘s quantity over quality. Endless iterations, and already heavily processed. 50% sound dull/muddy. Furthermore the synth engine admittedly sounds good but is really rudimentary compared to the Quantum.
Checking these vids now - as the iridium is now here. A module - which is what I need - of the Quantum.....but without the analogue filters. How good are the digital filters in the Quantum? Tempted to replace my Peak with one.
Antony Opinions on filters are a very personal thing. The ones in the Quantum (and so Iridium) are based on Waldorf’s VST plug-ins - Nave, Largo and PPG. The Iridium also has a new filter algorithm not in the Quantum, I haven’t heard it yet. I think the digital filters in the Quantum are fine, good enough that I use them instead of the analogue filters to achieve stereo. But I feel they are a bit heavy on resonance, I prefer more subtlety so tend to use the 12db versions over the 24. I don’t think they are as good as Peak analogue filters, but there is so much to the Quantum/Iridium that they totally blow the Peak away with their sound design capabilities.
@@TimShoebridge Thanks for your thoughts Tim. The other module I could replace is my Virus Ti2 - but I do use that a lot live. I actually think id does a better "80s" sound than peak in a lot of cases (and I play a lot of 80s in my bands) - but its also more controllable from a board (Peak doesnt even respond to CC7 messages grrr). Peak is the one I keep thinking of replacing (Ive though of Kyra, Rev 2, Argoin8 and Hydrasynth at times as well as Iridium). OB6 would DEFINATELY get the sport if it had a screen - but the possibility of selecting the wrong patch live ios too much without one. Choices Choices.
did the fx come from the synth? I'm thinking of buying this
Great Vid!!, Are you going to sell the TS presets, really like the pianos!
Thanks a lot. I have put together a collection of presets for Waldorf which includes the pianos. Once they confirm how the presets will be made available I will post an update on this channel...
@@TimShoebridge How lovely is that? You rock Tim, many many thanks!!!
What’s the name of this piano piece at 17:23? I’d like to learn it. Quantum (and Iridium) sounds very natural for piano sound. Of course to all the other synthesis, but I’d like to add piano (and other acoustic sounds, like hang drum) into the same setup and synthesized source. Maybe mixing them analog (in), digital and acoustic, and exactly as you say, have it in stereo field. Playing such combos gives ultimate inspiration I think. TNX for sharing your vids, enjoying every one of them!
Hi, thanks a lot for the feedback, it's great to hear you are enjoying the videos. The piano piece you are referring to is something I wrote 20 years ago. It's a bit melancholy to be honest. I'd just gone through a divorce, was stuck in a tiny rental apartment waiting for the days to pass by when I could see my kids again, and that was my motivation to sit in front of a keyboard and write music...
@@TimShoebridge So it is that piece, very relatable. Fortunately (or unfortunatelly) man needs piano handy at times. Beautiful work, Tim!
i just got mine,still learning this beast.Quick question,how do you have 9,000 sounds on it?I've tried sampling and i just cant get it to lock in,i know its so advance and its definetly not a keyboard to do basic stuff because its so powerful...Nice video
There is room for saving up to 10000 presets on the Quantum. What problem are you having? Are you creating your own samples? You need to save samples to the synth memory separately to saving presets. I have a video on sampling which may help but let me know if not
@@TimShoebridge I’m definitely a sample based producer and this machine is tricky and ahead of the curve.
Questions:
1.)When you sample does the sample find its on key destination or does it spread thru out all keys.
2.)When sampling,are the only way to achieve this is by going into the particle and resonator engine?
3.)I sample a record,chop it up on my Mpc,I create a loop,I put the loop in the Quantum,does it go thru out keys or does it jus land on 1 key and I have to manually play with what key it’s in?
4.)Last question,how do create my own sound patch,the preset sounds on it is amazing but I love sampling and I think I can bring a whole lot of different sounds along with what the quantum has and create some really incredible patches.
Thanks for replying to me my man...🎹
Hi Tim, you made this comment re the prophet x vs the quantum 'I miss the PX and would be interested in acquiring one again some day. Compared to the Quantum it feels more like a complete instrument and is very immediate. With the Quantum I find it hard to think of it as an instrument rather than a collection of software, which is what it basically is...' do you still feel like this after the v2.0 update?
The v2 update improves the Quantum immensely, the user experience is so much better, less tapping on a screen and more turning encoders. And most of all for me personally, the sampling aspects of the Quantum are now really excellent, and I use the Quantum as my sampling workstation now.
it's been a long time since I used a PX but the sampling aspects of it were more an extension of the synthesiser, I would say more integrated into the instrument and its interface compared to the Quantum. But other than that I can not compare them, I have no idea how much the PX firmware has changed since I last owned one.
The Quantum is a collection of software algorithms in a dedicated hardware controller. How much that bothers you will in the end depend on how productive you are with the synth, how creative it allows you to be. All I can say is that the Quantum with its v2 particle engine is what I have been looking for in a synth for a long time. I still have concerns, there are still bugs and glitches. And 2Gb of space for samples is wholly inadequate. But at this point in time the Quantum has become an essential part of my studio.
@@TimShoebridge Thank you
So it's only 8 voice poly because the analog filters yet those filters are no better than the VA filters?
They will definitely be better than a VA emulation but I personally don't miss using them, I'm happy with VA but I am sure there are many people who will disagree with my opinion.
To be perfectly honest, I get the feeling that we, the synth-buying public, are partly to blame for limited polyphony hybrid synths such as the Quantum due to our insistence that "analogue is great and digital is crap". That was our collective opinion up until only recently and it is nice to finally see we've turned the corner with digital synth releases not being scoffed at any more (eg Hydrasynth, Argon8, Wavestate, etc etc)
I'm sure at the time Waldorf were designing the Quantum they felt compelled to put analogue filters into the synth, just the same as Dave Smith did with the Prophet X and Novation did with the Peak. And of course that circuitry pushes up the price so pushes down the polyphony.
@@TimShoebridge Have you checked the Domain option in the Filter options ? The Digital option replaces the Analog Filters (i think ) with an Digital emulation that keeps the Stereo Signal, and lets you use the DF for something else.
@@TimShoebridge I completely agree. I never understood this analog fetishism. I think it's a kind of religion. Or do I have to buy an analog synth? 😄
Big Fat Moog ONE in the BG...?
Is it made for musicians, or for informatical/sound enginers?
I personally think it is made for musicians. Here is a track I put together with a very mainstream sound to it ua-cam.com/video/xFQmvWEx9mg/v-deo.html
I like how you keep sounds relatively pure. Most demo's are actually a bit underwhelming because people tend to stack option upon option untill sounds appear that are actually too complex to take in, leading to audio overkill. My second impression is that the analog modeling waveforms are very neutral. Since you also describe the analog filters a such it might very well be that I'd use the Quantum in a similar way as you do. Lastly this thing beggs to be played with MPE or at least poly pressure. In that repect the keyboard is actually a bit of a letdown. Have any of both at least been implemented via MIDI by now? The good news is that the Iridium will deliver almost anyhting one needs for half the price. In the mean time I have however gone for Bitwig studio 3.0 with the inbuilt Grid modular. In it one can really build ones own dream instruments. Mine is very akin to a CS80 augmented with granular sampling fed into a resonator section. One could also call it a Technics WSA1 on steroids. The hands on experience is of course less good but I'll be tackling that soon by including a pair of Korg Nanocontrols 2.0's. Onwards and upwards! Or should one say that the other way around. :-) Anyway: Thanks for the insights.
Hi Marc, sorry for the late reply, I am no longer getting notifications from YT any more for all the comments that people leave on my videos so I end up only coming across them now by chance.
Keeping the sound simple as possible is I think a lesson that I quickly learned when I started to record my own music. When it comes to mixing, it is as much about the space between the sounds as it is the sounds themselves. But that said, I am a sucker for stereo which many seasoned producers will tell you should really be avoided if you want to mix a song successfully!
As for MPE, I think you really need a multitimbral synth to implement MPE optimally. Each note you play needs its own MIDI channel to control it's own pitch modulation, amplitude modulation, filter cutoff modulation and whatever else it is that you wish to affect on a per-note basis. The Quantum has a lot of power for its in-built sound generation but its polyphony is low and it is only bi-timbral, so MPE is certainly possible but only for two simultaneous notes at any time.
@@TimShoebridge Interesting. My main setup actually works exactly in the way you describe. I split poly touch info from a master keybaord into multichannel info, generated by a rare but nifty device called the MIDIMIXFIX. This then drives 2 Technics WSA's and nowadays Bigwit Studio 3's The Grid, which is poly AT (and even MPE) capable. That's actually the reason why I am not as tempted to go for the Quantum/ Iridium as I otherwise would be.
As far as stereo is concerned I agree. Again a certain restriction in arrangement density then makes it possible to create such evolving textures. When I combine the split polytouch with the WSA-1's internal random panning option you get a sort of orchestra that dances around the listener in stereo. It's against all the rules but totally my thing. Here are some links in case you are interested: You'll find a description of a somewhat earlier version of my setup here: www.brassee.com /instruments.html#starship_one and music made on it van be found here: www.brassee.com/electronicmusic.html. It's however high time I do a website upgrade. :-)
If I was a rich man...
At 15.05 I hear CBL 😇
Great lighting and picture quality. The visual aspect is probably the best thing in this video. The Quantum.... meh. A very powerful instrument, but most sounds might come from a 90s rompler and nobody would even notice it.
It seems to be an amazing machine. The only thing I don’t understand is why such a beast do not use poly aftertouch as a modulation source nor destination 😱 ? I could understand that the keyboard do not send poly after touch, but why aftertouch poly isn’t a destination and a source of modulation ? There is a non sense in that ! Just my two cents..
I heard they are adding MPE to the Iridium in a future firmware update so there’s a big chance it will find its way into the Quantum as well...
@@TimShoebridge
Will you do a review over the Iriduim Keyboard, or is that to much overlapping?
@@expeditiondechouette I'd love to, but I can't see myself buying one at this time, I'm happy with my desktop version.
@@TimShoebridge
yes, that makes sense. I was actually expecting this answer. anyway thanks for your detailed explanation.
price tag ... 🤔, a dedicated computer with keybed
if the only analog components of the quantum are the filters, you should be able to bypass them for more voices. JUST my opinion.
moose inbeesocks Agreed. But it all depends on the internal architecture. For example you can do that with a Prophet X but not a Peak
AFAIK, this was the case with the Q+: both filters set to analog - 8 voices, one analog, one digital - 16 voices, all digital - 32 voices (if I'm recalling it correctly).
Here is my take and i read Moonsofjupiter's comment and agreed....The Quanb=tum suffers from the same as the Yamaha DX7 FD2,Andromeda, Hartmann, and some others, that it requires someone ready,willing,and able to master it. It's common knowledge that MOST people will never dig into a synth,they just want quick results. I just had a conversation with a content creator recently who was trying to argue with me that the EWaVe was so much more because of it's specs. I told him,that means NOTHING to most people,who buy music,who go to clubs,so it's not worth it to have each new synth or 30 of them,unless you are paying that mortgage and gaining wealth from music.Then I explained,if you're not releasing music,there's no deadlines,no rush to get immediate results. Then I explained,if you make an already great machine and add the ability to sample or import/use samples,you have raised the bar to kore than twice the power of the synth. In other words,if the machines had 4000 wavetables,25 OCSs, 24 filters,14 drum kits,12 DCOs,12 DCAs,and then i add my sampled voice,we go into uncharted territory. It's the same with samplers,like my ASR10,which I ended up mostly using with samples i made and for the efx processor while I DJ live.Then I have an analog Roland and 3 other completely different samplers, and my Polyend Tracker that is it's own world. That being said,I believe if you get a Quatum,you have to be ready for it,not the other way around. If you want to enter into other mindsets,it's for you,yet if you want something like a Triton,M1, Montage, Fantom , Kronos, etc, that's immediate,it will probably be frustrating. I am going to probably get one or the Iriduim..