Timmy I have seen LaDrib's, Skitzo's, Joshua Bardwell's, and others. This is the best I have seen out here on UA-cam. This was a great learning session for me. Thank you for sharing.
I’ve gotta second that, I’ve read a lot on the PID loop and it’s functions but until I heard you describe it in relation to error accumulation and time I never really grasped the tuning process effectively. Thank you for putting into words what my brain couldn’t. That’s the clearest explanation I’ve ever heard
This is by far the best video about PID tuning I have seen so far! Thanks for taking the time and putting those packs into learn me a thing or two ;-) +1 on how you found your rates
Never saw anybody display what the lows and highs values do with the quad like you did there, that really changed the game for me. Now I'm feeling more prepared to deal with tuning. Thank you again!
I'm new to FPV (about 2 months of actually flying minis) and I've been searching for a while for how to tune my quad to get a better feel out of it. I've watched about a dozen videos and nothing has come close to this in terms of explaining things in terms that I can understand and have flight video to demonstrate it. I feel confident in being able to start tuning after watching this. All new pilots should watch this. Thank you so much!
PIDs have always been a gray area for me so I never played around with them. Now, I'm much more confident because you took the 'time' to explain, demonstrate by both flying and BF adjustments. This type of tutorial was invaluable for me. Thanks so much and keep up the great work. Good job man!
Dude this has to be the best pid tuning video out there !!! You just explained everything so simply and clearly didn’t beat around the bush 👍🏻 these videos can be so confusing sometimes ! I’ve been flying for 3 years and i still struggle to get my head around pid tuning ! haha 😂 definitely worth a sub and shared👇🏻😄
I have been struggling to understand PID's for quite a while now. Your video is the first one I have seen which both explains how they work and provides an actual demonstration. Thank you for posting this sir!
I have no drone for tuning, but this informative tutorial I can easily understand PID and can relate to my Control Engineering subject in my university. Nice work ! 👍
This has to be the best tuning vid!!! From visual examples to step by step tuning guide. The big plus here is we’re hearing your entire thought process, which is GOLD!!! 🙏 time to apply what I’ve learned! 😬😬😬
I don't need to hear technical talk or see graphs at this stage of my FPV life. Thanks for putting everything into simple terms. You've definitely earned my subscription.👍🏿
Wow, after three days of study about PID, your video is the perfect conclusion. I am ready to apply this methodology to my first Quad / Speedybee F7. Great job , thanks so much.
So I was flying quads quite bit 2 years ago; but I had a friend's son do my PID tuning for me....so never learned to do it myself. Just getting back into flying; and I am doing more of my own setups. Thank you very much for putting this video together, Timmy............great, simple explanations of PID.
I'm definitely not the smartest person on earth, but for over 7 months I've been trying to fly my quad, I figured l wasn't any due to it's crazy setting, I've tried everything, but watching your videos got me from 0-60....now I feel like I've been doing this for years.....I'm definitely appreciating your video Timmy, hats off my friend 🚀
Still watching after a year… the knowledge is priceless. Simple to understand… doesnt need a rocket science explanations like “other” fpv youtubers for a topic that already complicated. Thanks bro 👏👏
@@TimmyRC I recently build a 10" quad and I am having trouble tuning it using your guide... Main issue is: It oscillates a ton when flying straight forward. Stock PID settings are basically useless as the quad will bounce/feel very loose straight away. Bounce backs are notoriously hard on Pitch Axis while Roll has been mostly ironed out, Pitch requires a ton of D in order to keep the bounces in check, Yaw will make one end of the quad dip down hard which I fixed by reducing P a lot in the Yaw Axis. Its been around 10 packs now and the tune is all over the place basically I do not know how to tell apart bounces from using too much P or too Low P motors are running stone cold regardless of settings..... I will try tomorrow using all of your recommended settings (Anti-gravity, D Min, etc) configuration instead of using Betaflight´s. Any hints? I tried reducing filtering (Sliders to the right) but it only made it worse, I tried the slider to left and it helped with the oscillations.
@@skirmich Betaflight's default settings are basically tuned for a 5 inch quad, so keep in mind that the ideal PID values for your 10 inch quad are likely going to be far from the default values. Reducing filtering to try to cure oscillations usually will not work, as you experienced. You may have more success with the old-school tuning method: 1. Work one axis at a time. 2. Turn all PID values for that axis way down (literally 2 for everything should work). Your quad will now fly horribly. 3. Increase P until you feel that the response is good. There will likely be oscillations at the ends of fast movements, which is fine since D is almost 0. If the oscillations are excessive, turn P down. 4. Increase D until you get rid of most of the bounce-back. Be careful with this because if you add too much D the quad will feel sluggish again. 5. Increase I until the quad is "locked in." Two tests for this: If I is too low, if you bank the quad it will start to level out by itself as it gains speed. Also, if I is too low, the quad will wobble significantly when descending at partial throttle straight down at a moderate speed. 6. Make tweaks now that all the values should be close. You can also try reducing the PID looptime to 1kHz, since really fast looptimes are excessive, especially for larger quads. Also, more filtering with lower cutoffs may be required since your quad is larger. Make sure your props are balanced. Also, Blackbox is your friend for diagnosing issues. Lastly, keep in mind that tuning can only compensate so much for low-quality electronics and a crappy setup/configuration. Frames that are not stiff, low-quality ESCs, lack of "breathing room" between props, and lack of soft-mounting are common issues that make tuning much more difficult, to name a few. So if you find that you've tried everything tuning-wise and nothing is working, look for issues with your physical setup.
@@TimmyRC Thank you so much for the in depth response! really helped me a ton with the knowledge I got from your video and now more information for proper tuning, I will try all your recommendations in my next flying session, I have the blackbox data (Mamba F722S Has on board memory) But I am a complete noob regarding black box analysis, I have to learn about that as well. I tried again today using your recommended setup for Anti-gravity, D-Min,, I Term, etc and it flown much much better but I still cant lock it in... I recorded a small video highlighting the issues and at the end of the clip I show the current PID tune in the OSD for that particular flight: ua-cam.com/video/fi5Ld6aXRJM/v-deo.html Basically the main problem is still hard oscillations at the end of quick turns it also feels very sluggish on the slow turns I have to jam the stick hard in order for the quad to respond but its guaranteed to bounce back at the end of the turn not so much on Roll but its pretty hard on Pitch... Yaw I think is controlled now and Roll is Acceptable but Pitch is still problematic... It also drifts when flying straight forward.
@@skirmich Doesn't look too bad judging from the video, but of course I can only tell so much from DVR video, so take what I say below with a grain of salt. The bounce back doesn't look that bad to me, especially for a 10 inch. Definitely worse on pitch, though. People like to chase their tail trying to completely get rid of it, but your favorite pilots don't necessarily tune it out, they just fly around it (same goes for propwash). "Feels sluggish on the slow turns..." To me sounds like a rates problem, unless your rates aren't that sluggish on other quads. In that case add more P. "Drifts when flying straight forward." Double check that center stick is as close to 1500 as possible in Betaflight. If so, add more I. I should of mentioned this earlier, but larger quads usually need higher I values. Even on my 6 inch my I values are around 100. I would try around 110-150 and that should help you feel more in control. That was the only big thing I noticed about your PIDs. Lastly, there is no getting around the fact that this is a big quad with big props. You are never going to get the same responsiveness a lightweight 5 inch can provide, so just make sure you have reasonable expectations. Even my 6 inch quads aren't quite as responsive as 5 inch, but for me it's worth the grip and speed 😎.
I watched this 2 years ago when I started with FPV and it’s still one of the best videos explaining pid tuning. Sometimes I’ll get so lost in tuning my rates that I forget that the cause could more be my pids
I've watch the tuning videos from all the "pros" and not until I watched yours did I feel like I understood all the whats and whys and feel confident that I can get the feel I want. Thanks again!
Well done!!! You made it more clear and easier to understand than all of the other videos I've watched combined! Thank you for the lesson. I'm not afraid to do this now.
Best PID explanation on the net so far, hands down. I've watched them all, but this has been the most insightful. Thank you for taking the time to teach us!
Thank you so much for this video. I really appreciate how you stripped away all the more, shall we say, "advanced Betaflight options" so that we can tune from the ground up. I was in the process of attempting this on my own, but your video was WAY better than me turning feedforward down to 25%, and limiting my throttle. :) I am new to the hobby, and am having issues that I believe are due to tuning. My quad has already shown an improvement, on the bench, that I am pretty sure will translate into actual flight. Responsiveness with props off is so much better already. Much appreciated and thank you brother.
As soon as I got to the part where you swapped out batteries I immediately subbed and then bookmarked this video for future reference. Nobody else has even come close to this in terms of clear and concise explanation. I have often felt that even the "pros" who have videos on tuning don't quite understand it themselves, and more less are simply saying: "look, I've played around with all of these numbers and this seems to work for me", as where your video has finally sunk in (after 3.5 yrs at this). Thanks man, off to see your rates video next!
Mike Pawson "doing kind a floating stuff" Dude you flew insane! Roll flip counter yaw mix boost ten spirals inch from the tree with upside down few rolls. Yea, just little floating stuff. I really have never ever saw this kind awesome flying. And while recording and knowing millions of people will see this and not get shaky hands and nervousness. Just floating stuff.. AMAZING!
This video really helped me out ! You actually took my fear to tune my quad, I do now feel ready to do it. Thanx a lot man and best greetings from germany :)
The people that have given this video a thumbs down only did it because they still can't grasp the concept of p.i.d tuning, even when it's explained to them in layman's terms. Great job Timmy! You have successfully taught people what many here on UA-cam have tried and failed to do, and that's how to properly tune a quad, and understand the majic behind the p.i.d loop. Thank you sir, much appreciated!
Really glad I found this helpful video as I start into fpv and building my first quad and tune it myself. Very straight forward and with examples of quad characteristic on high and low PID tunes. Thanks Timmy!
I like to periodically watch these kinds of videos just to brush up on my knowledge, and as many others have pointed out this is by far *the* best one! Thank you and keep it up!
Timmy...im 4:36 in to the video and I already feel like you have demystified exactly what P, I & D actually are responsible for! I've been flying for about 10 months and this is the best and most concise explanation I've heard yet!!!! Thank you! You've made a fan here!!!!!
Didn't fly for a year now and needed a quick refresher to make sure I am tuning my quads right, as I was doubting my memory. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it's all I needed! Flying again! Greeting from highly restricted Alberta/Canada
Have been flying for 2 years on stock pids..because no one has explained them like you did. Took the computer out today and tuned 2 of my kwads. Game changer. Thanks bro! Keep up the good work 👍👍👍
your getting mature man Timmy i will not forget your advance trick theory 2 years ago it makes me as a good pilot now thank you. and now you have the resemblance of "PBF" Project Blue Falcon the legend your tutorial are easy to get for mostly on beginners keep it up men.
Timmy, you are the man, fantastic and very understandable explanations, I’m still quite a noob, your video on rates was the very best I’ve seen, I would have no trepidations on experimenting with the rates, but even though your tutorial on P.I.Ds is a great tutorial, I’d be too worrisome that I’d totally screw up my quad, I’m still having trouble understanding the correlation between the settings and how they react to each other, no fault in your explanation, just my 56 year old brain LOL. By the way, awesome flying, I could have watched a whole video of just your flying. Thanks and keep making videos, you have an excellent talent, you my be the J.B. of quad tutorials 👍👍.
Probably one of the best tutorials I have USED there was another good one but it was old and bf has changed. Thanks much my dumb brother almost gets it now.
Brother u proved a young boy can be much talented in teaching then other wise elder big names (utubers) in this hobby..... I not said them bad ...they may be good but i feel yr every words nd meaning nd floting in my mind virtually what should be my pid tune not yrs ....... Big advantage I get from u that I learn pid tuning in lay man's language ...very besic but logical turns with out presure of so much science nd logic ( like many big utber ) ... Thank u .....I get something new from u bro ....... Thanks a lot. ... Wish u shiny growth of yr chanel ....
@@TimmyRC brother can u make any vedio like that on rates ..... I mean this type of logical way .... Then high nd slow rate differents .... Nd pid set up chenging from transmiter switch chenging so lots of time will be save while tune a quad .... Bro pls try this type .....so much shortage of knowledge in utube so it will be great help for beginners to learn all this
You are a natural teacher, this video makes tuning a lot less scarier!!!👍😉 This was the best learning video on drones I have ever seen. So helpful that I was so engaged in watching this video I found myself call out what values that I thought would reduce the bounce back and I was calling the right PID selection to add or subtract the value from😃. You have definitely taken me to another level in this hobby thanks so much. You definitely got the thumbs up an I subscribed!!!
Thanks for the video. I not only have a better understanding of the PID relationship but connected the dots on how it affects performance watching the flights between adjustments. Great Job!
Excellent video, most pragmatic/practical I've seen. Most others end up delving into more of the science side of things. I like this one because its like "If you're experiencing A, its too much B. If too much C, turn down A" and it's nice to see it in action. Thanks for this man! Now all I need is a bonafide one on RPM filtering, since that seems to be more commonly used now, and I'll be good to go!
So happy to be here. Today I just made my first real tune of my quad because of you. For so long I was like "in the middle of a desert" with tuning now I feel closer to what it looks like and what should be the behavior of a well tuned quad. Also great channel a lot to learn from. ABSOLUTELY in love of what you do! Keep it up!
I've been trying to tune my iFlight XL10. I mean it fly's, but i can't get it to feel like i want it to feel. So, I will do a video in response to this video on me attempting to tune my quad. The way you have explained and illustrated, step-by-step, i feel more confident in tuning my quad. i started off by turning off all those features. Starting from scratch... Thanks for your time! you have a new Sub!
@@TimmyRC This is the link to the build i will be tuning using your video. its been raining for the last 2 days, but as soon as i get the chance i will start the tuning process, and do my best with the edits as i am learning with FCPX. CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON FILTER SETTINGS?I LIKE THE BIGGER QUADS AND I KNOW FILTER SETTINGS FOR BIGGER QUADS ARE DIFFERENT Thx: ua-cam.com/video/0I2eOL8ABwE/v-deo.html
Nice explanations. FYI, you can save lots of time doing all of this in the OSD while you disarmed. Left stick left, right stick up gets you into OSD. Then right stick up, down, left, right, navigates in and out of menus.
I’ve seen a lot of tuning video’s that claim “tuning made simple” and it seems no matter how they explain it... there’s never anything simple about tuning a quad. U have 6 different settings in all, and it always becomes a cluster “F” in my mind. Like “TMI”. But this is a personal problem. That being said u did a great job explaining PID tuning. I’m now closer to understanding how to tune. Thanks.
You make it so clear for me man, thanks for your effort to explain it..really apreciate it, even top fpv pilot doesnt want to explain this..you'r my mpv 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Great video, helped me understand better what to look for . Since Ive been flying for only 8 months Im definitely up for any videos on filters etc..... Thx and Peace
very good vidéo and really well explained ;) but important for me: is the pid setting for a thrue X frame. not for others configurations. in stretched X (motor to motor stretched on the front) for exemple, you have to put more p gain. and if it is streched on the pitch axis (motor to motor stretched from the sides), like charpu frame, is inverted. you have to decrease P gain.
Here's what I got out of this: P = rates (kinda), i.e. sensitivity D = noise cancelation/dampening, more D gives you less bounceback but also more "lazy" control I = locked-in feel, adjust for whether you want to float on air or on rails
Loved the video. I’ve been flying for years and was going to skip through it As a refresher but I ended up watching the whole thing and learning some new stuff. Thanks!
Hey Timmy first off - Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I continue to return to it, stripping down all of Betaflight's advanced settings is a WONDERFUL thing, especially for me, a newbie. As I progress and get better at flying, I'll explore those advanced options like antigravity, feedforward, etc. Turning them off made me feel way more in control - it is behaving exactly how I want now. Second - I don't know what you call the move you did beginning at roughly 30:35, but it is freakin incredible, I rewound it like six hundred times and still can't explain it to myself - you have some pretty awesome skills there brother - peace!
very very very good n informative video tutorial u make. Thanks for sharing bro. As a newbie now I'm slowly understand how to make ur drone fly better according to our personal preference. THANKS AGAIN BRO 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Timmy hard to understand because I am a beginner but you did explain it well. Thank you. Ill watch it many times again so I pick it up more. Really cool vid and Great explanation of the physics of it all. I can tell your extremely bright and well educated. Good job on your life and drone skills! X=A/b;
Really excellent. Plenty of good practical guidance here, which is what I needed. I think that a little line-of-sight oscillation would be worth showing. Also a very quick introduction to the hardware - quad and TX. Worth mentioning that these parameter values can be changed on the fly - even in your OSD. Right off to tune tune tune .. Thanks!
great and helpful video Timmy! really helps with understanding how PIDs work to effect the feel between the sticks and what the quad is doing. Can imagine how much work went in to do this video! Keep up the good work and sharing great content. thanks again!
Great video bud! Very well done. This is the first video I've watched about tuning that actually made sense and I've watched all the big name guys and gals explain tuning. All of their videos made me feel less secure or even scared to even trying tuning, but yours hit home with very simple explanations and great examples. Again, well done!
By popular demand I have also made a rates explanation video! Watch it here:
ua-cam.com/video/R8TvR1bY0bM/v-deo.html
Thank you sir!
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Timmy I have seen LaDrib's, Skitzo's, Joshua Bardwell's, and others. This is the best I have seen out here on UA-cam. This was a great learning session for me. Thank you for sharing.
A Rates tuning video would be really cool too. Again, thanks so much.
@@jackbisson9226 Thanks! That means a lot to me; glad I could help you learn 👍.
I’ve gotta second that, I’ve read a lot on the PID loop and it’s functions but until I heard you describe it in relation to error accumulation and time I never really grasped the tuning process effectively. Thank you for putting into words what my brain couldn’t. That’s the clearest explanation I’ve ever heard
@@Finalmile_FPV Thanks!
This is by far the best video about PID tuning I have seen so far! Thanks for taking the time and putting those packs into learn me a thing or two ;-) +1 on how you found your rates
Never saw anybody display what the lows and highs values do with the quad like you did there, that really changed the game for me. Now I'm feeling more prepared to deal with tuning. Thank you again!
Thanks! Glad I could help 👍
I come back to it every now and then. Best tutorial so far
Dont forget to make a backup as a beginner! go to the CLI and tipe: " diff all " save all your setting then start your tuning ;)
My only config/tune is so trash I just want to forget about it. 😂
That was the most least confusing pid tune video, thank you! Great work!
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I'm new to FPV (about 2 months of actually flying minis) and I've been searching for a while for how to tune my quad to get a better feel out of it. I've watched about a dozen videos and nothing has come close to this in terms of explaining things in terms that I can understand and have flight video to demonstrate it. I feel confident in being able to start tuning after watching this. All new pilots should watch this. Thank you so much!
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PIDs have always been a gray area for me so I never played around with them. Now, I'm much more confident because you took the 'time' to explain, demonstrate by both flying and BF adjustments. This type of tutorial was invaluable for me. Thanks so much and keep up the great work. Good job man!
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Dude this has to be the best pid tuning video out there !!! You just explained everything so simply and clearly didn’t beat around the bush 👍🏻 these videos can be so confusing sometimes ! I’ve been flying for 3 years and i still struggle to get my head around pid tuning ! haha 😂 definitely worth a sub and shared👇🏻😄
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I agree and i have seen so much content out there.
I couldn’t have said it better.
I have been struggling to understand PID's for quite a while now. Your video is the first one I have seen which both explains how they work and provides an actual demonstration. Thank you for posting this sir!
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I have no drone for tuning, but this informative tutorial I can easily understand PID and can relate to my Control Engineering subject in my university. Nice work ! 👍
This has to be the best tuning vid!!! From visual examples to step by step tuning guide. The big plus here is we’re hearing your entire thought process, which is GOLD!!! 🙏 time to apply what I’ve learned! 😬😬😬
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I don't need to hear technical talk or see graphs at this stage of my FPV life. Thanks for putting everything into simple terms. You've definitely earned my subscription.👍🏿
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Words cannot describe how much this relieved my confusion.
Utterly brilliant tutorial. I now literally know way way more than I did 30 mins ago. Thank you.
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Wow, after three days of study about PID, your video is the perfect conclusion. I am ready to apply this methodology to my first Quad / Speedybee F7. Great job , thanks so much.
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damn bruh this is the first video on pids that i could actually understand.
So I was flying quads quite bit 2 years ago; but I had a friend's son do my PID tuning for me....so never learned to do it myself. Just getting back into flying; and I am doing more of my own setups. Thank you very much for putting this video together, Timmy............great, simple explanations of PID.
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I'm definitely not the smartest person on earth, but for over 7 months I've been trying to fly my quad, I figured l wasn't any due to it's crazy setting, I've tried everything, but watching your videos got me from 0-60....now I feel like I've been doing this for years.....I'm definitely appreciating your video Timmy, hats off my friend 🚀
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Still watching after a year… the knowledge is priceless. Simple to understand… doesnt need a rocket science explanations like “other” fpv youtubers for a topic that already complicated.
Thanks bro 👏👏
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You should do more for dummies videos. Like build to programing. I'm the dummy that needs these videos 😂
Loved this so much. It gave my brain the connection it needed to start to understanding tuning. I've watched a lot.
Thank you.
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The best explanation of PID tuning I´ve seen in UA-cam. Specially on BF4.1
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@@TimmyRC I recently build a 10" quad and I am having trouble tuning it using your guide...
Main issue is: It oscillates a ton when flying straight forward. Stock PID settings are basically useless as the quad will bounce/feel very loose straight away.
Bounce backs are notoriously hard on Pitch Axis while Roll has been mostly ironed out, Pitch requires a ton of D in order to keep the bounces in check, Yaw will make one end of the quad dip down hard which I fixed by reducing P a lot in the Yaw Axis.
Its been around 10 packs now and the tune is all over the place basically I do not know how to tell apart bounces from using too much P or too Low P motors are running stone cold regardless of settings..... I will try tomorrow using all of your recommended settings (Anti-gravity, D Min, etc) configuration instead of using Betaflight´s.
Any hints? I tried reducing filtering (Sliders to the right) but it only made it worse, I tried the slider to left and it helped with the oscillations.
@@skirmich Betaflight's default settings are basically tuned for a 5 inch quad, so keep in mind that the ideal PID values for your 10 inch quad are likely going to be far from the default values. Reducing filtering to try to cure oscillations usually will not work, as you experienced. You may have more success with the old-school tuning method:
1. Work one axis at a time.
2. Turn all PID values for that axis way down (literally 2 for everything should work). Your quad will now fly horribly.
3. Increase P until you feel that the response is good. There will likely be oscillations at the ends of fast movements, which is fine since D is almost 0. If the oscillations are excessive, turn P down.
4. Increase D until you get rid of most of the bounce-back. Be careful with this because if you add too much D the quad will feel sluggish again.
5. Increase I until the quad is "locked in." Two tests for this: If I is too low, if you bank the quad it will start to level out by itself as it gains speed. Also, if I is too low, the quad will wobble significantly when descending at partial throttle straight down at a moderate speed.
6. Make tweaks now that all the values should be close.
You can also try reducing the PID looptime to 1kHz, since really fast looptimes are excessive, especially for larger quads. Also, more filtering with lower cutoffs may be required since your quad is larger. Make sure your props are balanced. Also, Blackbox is your friend for diagnosing issues.
Lastly, keep in mind that tuning can only compensate so much for low-quality electronics and a crappy setup/configuration. Frames that are not stiff, low-quality ESCs, lack of "breathing room" between props, and lack of soft-mounting are common issues that make tuning much more difficult, to name a few. So if you find that you've tried everything tuning-wise and nothing is working, look for issues with your physical setup.
@@TimmyRC Thank you so much for the in depth response! really helped me a ton with the knowledge I got from your video and now more information for proper tuning, I will try all your recommendations in my next flying session, I have the blackbox data (Mamba F722S Has on board memory) But I am a complete noob regarding black box analysis, I have to learn about that as well.
I tried again today using your recommended setup for Anti-gravity, D-Min,, I Term, etc and it flown much much better but I still cant lock it in... I recorded a small video highlighting the issues and at the end of the clip I show the current PID tune in the OSD for that particular flight: ua-cam.com/video/fi5Ld6aXRJM/v-deo.html
Basically the main problem is still hard oscillations at the end of quick turns it also feels very sluggish on the slow turns I have to jam the stick hard in order for the quad to respond but its guaranteed to bounce back at the end of the turn not so much on Roll but its pretty hard on Pitch... Yaw I think is controlled now and Roll is Acceptable but Pitch is still problematic... It also drifts when flying straight forward.
@@skirmich Doesn't look too bad judging from the video, but of course I can only tell so much from DVR video, so take what I say below with a grain of salt.
The bounce back doesn't look that bad to me, especially for a 10 inch. Definitely worse on pitch, though. People like to chase their tail trying to completely get rid of it, but your favorite pilots don't necessarily tune it out, they just fly around it (same goes for propwash).
"Feels sluggish on the slow turns..." To me sounds like a rates problem, unless your rates aren't that sluggish on other quads. In that case add more P.
"Drifts when flying straight forward." Double check that center stick is as close to 1500 as possible in Betaflight. If so, add more I.
I should of mentioned this earlier, but larger quads usually need higher I values. Even on my 6 inch my I values are around 100. I would try around 110-150 and that should help you feel more in control. That was the only big thing I noticed about your PIDs.
Lastly, there is no getting around the fact that this is a big quad with big props. You are never going to get the same responsiveness a lightweight 5 inch can provide, so just make sure you have reasonable expectations. Even my 6 inch quads aren't quite as responsive as 5 inch, but for me it's worth the grip and speed 😎.
I watched this 2 years ago when I started with FPV and it’s still one of the best videos explaining pid tuning. Sometimes I’ll get so lost in tuning my rates that I forget that the cause could more be my pids
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I've watch the tuning videos from all the "pros" and not until I watched yours did I feel like I understood all the whats and whys and feel confident that I can get the feel I want. Thanks again!
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This is the simplest explanation for PID of all. Basically
P = Responsiveness
I = Floatiness
D = Bounce back
Well done!!! You made it more clear and easier to understand than all of the other videos I've watched combined! Thank you for the lesson. I'm not afraid to do this now.
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I’m a noob! This has been the BEST PID tuning vid covering the basics! THX!!!!
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very cool that you show the settings before you then show how it affects flight!
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Best PID explanation on the net so far, hands down. I've watched them all, but this has been the most insightful. Thank you for taking the time to teach us!
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More pid tuning video please 👍
Really nice job. Probably the best verbal description of PID and tuning I've come across. I think I can do this now and actually improve it.
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The best explanation with examples of the PID adjustment I have seen so far. Thanks.
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Thank you so much for this video.
I really appreciate how you stripped away all the more, shall we say, "advanced Betaflight options" so that we can tune from the ground up. I was in the process of attempting this on my own, but your video was WAY better than me turning feedforward down to 25%, and limiting my throttle. :)
I am new to the hobby, and am having issues that I believe are due to tuning. My quad has already shown an improvement, on the bench, that I am pretty sure will translate into actual flight. Responsiveness with props off is so much better already.
Much appreciated and thank you brother.
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As soon as I got to the part where you swapped out batteries I immediately subbed and then bookmarked this video for future reference. Nobody else has even come close to this in terms of clear and concise explanation. I have often felt that even the "pros" who have videos on tuning don't quite understand it themselves, and more less are simply saying: "look, I've played around with all of these numbers and this seems to work for me", as where your video has finally sunk in (after 3.5 yrs at this). Thanks man, off to see your rates video next!
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Mike Pawson
"doing kind a floating stuff"
Dude you flew insane! Roll flip counter yaw mix boost ten spirals inch from the tree with upside down few rolls.
Yea, just little floating stuff.
I really have never ever saw this kind awesome flying. And while recording and knowing millions of people will see this and not get shaky hands and nervousness.
Just floating stuff..
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Thanks! Welcome to the world of FPV freestyle.
This video really helped me out ! You actually took my fear to tune my quad, I do now feel ready to do it.
Thanx a lot man and best greetings from germany :)
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Glad I found this. Great break downs, I kept at it with trial and errors. Now this makes it clearer.
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The people that have given this video a thumbs down only did it because they still can't grasp the concept of p.i.d tuning, even when it's explained to them in layman's terms. Great job Timmy! You have successfully taught people what many here on UA-cam have tried and failed to do, and that's how to properly tune a quad, and understand the majic behind the p.i.d loop. Thank you sir, much appreciated!
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Really glad I found this helpful video as I start into fpv and building my first quad and tune it myself. Very straight forward and with examples of quad characteristic on high and low PID tunes. Thanks Timmy!
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I've watched this video twice now. Gonna be tuning my Tinyhawk Freestyle 2 tomorrow. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for this vid! Very helpful!
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Very informative video, I've been flying quads for years now and I still feel like I learnt a lot, thank you. 👍
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I like to periodically watch these kinds of videos just to brush up on my knowledge, and as many others have pointed out this is by far *the* best one! Thank you and keep it up!
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That was an excellent video to watch from beginning to the end, and now I understand the PID tuning match better. Thank you for the sharing.
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Timmy...im 4:36 in to the video and I already feel like you have demystified exactly what P, I & D actually are responsible for! I've been flying for about 10 months and this is the best and most concise explanation I've heard yet!!!! Thank you! You've made a fan here!!!!!
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Didn't fly for a year now and needed a quick refresher to make sure I am tuning my quads right, as I was doubting my memory. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, it's all I needed! Flying again! Greeting from highly restricted Alberta/Canada
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I have been waiting for that!
Please more about quad tuning.
The wait is over! I hope you enjoyed 👍
Have been flying for 2 years on stock pids..because no one has explained them like you did. Took the computer out today and tuned 2 of my kwads. Game changer. Thanks bro! Keep up the good work 👍👍👍
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I never noticed before that when doing rolls and flips that I should be throttling down, great video all around! thanks
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your getting mature man Timmy i will not forget your advance trick theory 2 years ago it makes me as a good pilot now thank you. and now you have the resemblance of "PBF" Project Blue Falcon the legend your tutorial are easy to get for mostly on beginners keep it up men.
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Wow....yep. this was the video I've seen yet for an explanation of PIDs.... thank you!!!!
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@@TimmyRC no way, man.....thank you! Seriously. I feel a little smarter now. ..........hey....I said a little lol 😆
Timmy, you are the man, fantastic and very understandable explanations, I’m still quite a noob, your video on rates was the very best I’ve seen, I would have no trepidations on experimenting with the rates, but even though your tutorial on P.I.Ds is a great tutorial, I’d be too worrisome that I’d totally screw up my quad, I’m still having trouble understanding the correlation between the settings and how they react to each other, no fault in your explanation, just my 56 year old brain LOL. By the way, awesome flying, I could have watched a whole video of just your flying. Thanks and keep making videos, you have an excellent talent, you my be the J.B. of quad tutorials 👍👍.
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I am currently in a mechanical engineering master and I have followed system and control. You explained PID greatly!
Thanks! Right now I am a mechanical engineering undergraduate and I have yet to take controls 😂.
Man you made me so much clear now. Bardwell and dibs tried it but did not succeed. Thank you so much
I absolutely love this video something that Chris rosser couldn't teach us. This is a video I'm going to watch more than once
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Thanks for letting including time stamps ☺️
I always need to come back and watch a pid tuning tutorial when I make a new build 😅
Wow.. This really is the best and most simple straight forward way I have ever heard this explained. Bravo!
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Probably one of the best tutorials I have USED there was another good one but it was old and bf has changed. Thanks much my dumb brother almost gets it now.
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Brother u proved a young boy can be much talented in teaching then other wise elder big names (utubers) in this hobby..... I not said them bad ...they may be good but i feel yr every words nd meaning nd floting in my mind virtually what should be my pid tune not yrs ....... Big advantage I get from u that I learn pid tuning in lay man's language ...very besic but logical turns with out presure of so much science nd logic ( like many big utber ) ... Thank u .....I get something new from u bro ....... Thanks a lot. ... Wish u shiny growth of yr chanel ....
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@@TimmyRC brother can u make any vedio like that on rates ..... I mean this type of logical way .... Then high nd slow rate differents .... Nd pid set up chenging from transmiter switch chenging so lots of time will be save while tune a quad .... Bro pls try this type .....so much shortage of knowledge in utube so it will be great help for beginners to learn all this
You are a natural teacher, this video makes tuning a lot less scarier!!!👍😉 This was the best learning video on drones I have ever seen. So helpful that I was so engaged in watching this video I found myself call out what values that I thought would reduce the bounce back and I was calling the right PID selection to add or subtract the value from😃. You have definitely taken me to another level in this hobby thanks so much. You definitely got the thumbs up an I subscribed!!!
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Thanks for the video. I not only have a better understanding of the PID relationship but connected the dots on how it affects performance watching the flights between adjustments. Great Job!
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Dude you are absolutely one of the best teachers I've seen on UA-cam. You've just earned a new sub here. thanks
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Best tuning video, hands down! I've watched Bardwell's a bunch of times and it just confuses me. This i understood immediately
This tut is so easy to understand. I'll try this method tomorrow morning.
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Excellent video, most pragmatic/practical I've seen. Most others end up delving into more of the science side of things. I like this one because its like "If you're experiencing A, its too much B. If too much C, turn down A" and it's nice to see it in action. Thanks for this man! Now all I need is a bonafide one on RPM filtering, since that seems to be more commonly used now, and I'll be good to go!
Thanks! You don't really have to mess with RPM filtering much compared to PIDs.
So happy to be here. Today I just made my first real tune of my quad because of you. For so long I was like "in the middle of a desert" with tuning now I feel closer to what it looks like and what should be the behavior of a well tuned quad. Also great channel a lot to learn from. ABSOLUTELY in love of what you do! Keep it up!
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I've been trying to tune my iFlight XL10. I mean it fly's, but i can't get it to feel like i want it to feel. So, I will do a video in response to this video on me attempting to tune my quad. The way you have explained and illustrated, step-by-step, i feel more confident in tuning my quad. i started off by turning off all those features. Starting from scratch... Thanks for your time! you have a new Sub!
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@@TimmyRC This is the link to the build i will be tuning using your video. its been raining for the last 2 days, but as soon as i get the chance i will start the tuning process, and do my best with the edits as i am learning with FCPX. CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON FILTER SETTINGS?I LIKE THE BIGGER QUADS AND I KNOW FILTER SETTINGS FOR BIGGER QUADS ARE DIFFERENT Thx: ua-cam.com/video/0I2eOL8ABwE/v-deo.html
One of the greatest tuning videos
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Nice explanations. FYI, you can save lots of time doing all of this in the OSD while you disarmed. Left stick left, right stick up gets you into OSD. Then right stick up, down, left, right, navigates in and out of menus.
Thanks! I usually tune through the OSD, but I don't have a DVR so I had to use my computer for this video.
I’ve seen a lot of tuning video’s that claim “tuning made simple” and it seems no matter how they explain it... there’s never anything simple about tuning a quad. U have 6 different settings in all, and it always becomes a cluster “F” in my mind. Like “TMI”. But this is a personal problem. That being said u did a great job explaining PID tuning. I’m now closer to understanding how to tune. Thanks.
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You make it so clear for me man, thanks for your effort to explain it..really apreciate it, even top fpv pilot doesnt want to explain this..you'r my mpv 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Thank you for the breakdown! Literally no one else goes into what the each value actually does! I can finally have a proper go at tuning now
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Thanks for this. I just flew my maiden tonight. The nerves were out of this world. Did ok. The simulator was the trick. I'll try tuning her soon.
Less hype, more information. The way it should be!! Solid video!
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Great video, helped me understand better what to look for . Since Ive been flying for only 8 months Im definitely up for any videos on filters etc..... Thx and Peace
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Ive never seen a move like the backwards yaw spin around the tree around 22:00 that was cool
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very good vidéo and really well explained ;) but important for me: is the pid setting for a thrue X frame. not for others configurations. in stretched X (motor to motor stretched on the front) for exemple, you have to put more p gain. and if it is streched on the pitch axis (motor to motor stretched from the sides), like charpu frame, is inverted. you have to decrease P gain.
I had to comment as I have seen all the video untill the end. Thanks!
Perfect explantation!!! Even me, who flies over 6 years already, learned something new! =)))
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Here's what I got out of this:
P = rates (kinda), i.e. sensitivity
D = noise cancelation/dampening, more D gives you less bounceback but also more "lazy" control
I = locked-in feel, adjust for whether you want to float on air or on rails
Great, I really appreciate yiur engineering approach to PID tuning 👌
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The best pid tune guide for the new flyer.. Subbed
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You are a natural at explaining things clearly. Excellent video thank you for making the time to make this.
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Loved the video. I’ve been flying for years and was going to skip through it As a refresher but I ended up watching the whole thing and learning some new stuff. Thanks!
Hey Timmy first off - Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I continue to return to it, stripping down all of Betaflight's advanced settings is a WONDERFUL thing, especially for me, a newbie. As I progress and get better at flying, I'll explore those advanced options like antigravity, feedforward, etc. Turning them off made me feel way more in control - it is behaving exactly how I want now.
Second - I don't know what you call the move you did beginning at roughly 30:35, but it is freakin incredible, I rewound it like six hundred times and still can't explain it to myself - you have some pretty awesome skills there brother - peace!
very very very good n informative video tutorial u make. Thanks for sharing bro.
As a newbie now I'm slowly understand how to make ur drone fly better according to our personal preference.
THANKS AGAIN BRO 👍👍👍👍
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Timmy, very well explained and demonstrated.QED.
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The best explanation on the net ..... very good
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Thanks Timmy hard to understand because I am a beginner but you did explain it well. Thank you. Ill watch it many times again so I pick it up more. Really cool vid and Great explanation of the physics of it all. I can tell your extremely bright and well educated. Good job on your life and drone skills! X=A/b;
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Now i know what I’m missing... thanks so much bro. 🙏
Glad I could help!
great video, I'm over in dunloggin if you want to rip whenever the weather warms up
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Really excellent. Plenty of good practical guidance here, which is what I needed. I think that a little line-of-sight oscillation would be worth showing. Also a very quick introduction to the hardware - quad and TX. Worth mentioning that these parameter values can be changed on the fly - even in your OSD. Right off to tune tune tune .. Thanks!
Glad i ran across your channel. Thanks for the content. Your explanation of pids are excellent.
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Good tips Very informitive it was long but worth every minute Thank You for making it
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Timmy very good video! I'm new to the hobby, been watching lots of bardwell videos. I'm going to add you to my learning curve for sure. Thanks
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great and helpful video Timmy! really helps with understanding how PIDs work to effect the feel between the sticks and what the quad is doing. Can imagine how much work went in to do this video! Keep up the good work and sharing great content. thanks again!
I really love this video titorial for PID cause I am a novice in this RC field, it will help a lot for me to understand to tune my quad, thanks a lot
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Great video bud! Very well done. This is the first video I've watched about tuning that actually made sense and I've watched all the big name guys and gals explain tuning. All of their videos made me feel less secure or even scared to even trying tuning, but yours hit home with very simple explanations and great examples. Again, well done!
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Great tutorial I needed this. 👊😎 My typical tune...get it right, crash and start again lol 👍
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Really appreciate your efforts. I learned a lot and feel more confident on tuning now. New sub. 👍😁
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