Why Dagestan wrestlers are so good | Ben Askren and Lex Fridman
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This guy looks like an ancient Roman
Lol
He does for real! 😂
Lex looks like the future
🤣🤣🤣 he fr does
I was just thinking this before i saw this comment
It's not just Dagestan. It's the whole Caucasus region. North-Iran, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Dagestan, Ossetia and Chechnya. That small region in the world produces something like 75% of world and olympic champions in wrestling.
It's a historically wrestling oriented culture, all the way down to the ancient Persian times. Every boy grows up wrestling, even if he never competes.
Funnily enough, Caucasus wrestlers also the reason why International Judo Federation (IJF) changed the rules of Judo around 2000s by banning any "wrestling style takedowns".
Coz basically B-class Caucasus wrestlers who couldn't get into their nations A-class wrestling teams, went on to win Judo and Sambo world championships without ever wearing a gi before. It didn't look good for IJF.
@@kallepikku4991 This story is 1000% bullshit,leg grabs got baned because few people scored with it,they used leg grab moves to stall most of the time,so to make it more dynamic,leg grabs are out,try to do a Double or a single while someone is holding your gi,yep very hard to do
exactly right, i am from eastern turkey, which is west part of the cacaus
better just hope west Africans and African Americans dont fall in love with wrestling 😂 then its over
How could you forget Ossetia
“It is one thing to study war and another to live the warriors life.” -Telamon
This sums it up
I know things in the UFC didn't go great for Ben Askren as far as performances go, but I have grown to really like and respect the guy. He knows how to sell a fight, how to promote himself and how to take a loss. So many people would go into hiding, but not this man, he was online talking about it and owning it the very next day. Just because he lost a fist fight does not discredit him as a great wrestler, public speaker, content creator, interviewer, entrepreneur. Seriously, if there were more people like him, there would be so much less crying and complaining in the world. People that have mastered something actually know how to take criticism and get better from defeat. He is good at it because he has been great at other things. I really appreciate what he has done for the sport and the overall community.
It’s sad the ufc have such a strangle hold on exposure for fighters, so many absolute killers get no credit until they hit the ufc, granted Ben isn’t really one of these “killers” but the dude was undefeated in the 2 organisation’s “under” the ufc and then got smoked and somehow lost all his credibility from one single knockout, you look at Anderson Silva who’s got multiple losses and still is credited as one of the greatest, it’s just stupid how many people let storyline’s effect the image of these guys long term diminishing their accomplishments
Ben did also arrive to the UFC with a geriatric hip and his best days when he was at Bellator were well behind him. Win or lose, he’s the man.
well said !
@@eadc888 Absolutely, that's facts.
@@scottcannon1383 I think it has a lot to do with how he promotes the fights. He's so confident that it bothers people that have never been close to that level. They see it as arrogance; however, in actuality he is just positive that if he gets ahold of them, it's over. Which he is 100% correct in having that belief. Look at that Damian Mia fight, I know their striking was bad, but if that man had to work that hard to beat a Ben Askren that was really on one leg as he needed a hip replacement, that really speaks to the level that his technical skill is at. I mean, that was Damian freaking Mia, he's in top 1% of the top 1% of all time MMA submission specialist. On top of that, Ben went out on his shield. He always did too, he would rather go unconscious than quit and he wasn't afraid to take it to that level. He's a warrior that deserves respect.
Ben Askren is genuinely an insanely intelligent person, who seems so awesome to just chat to.
Now that I'm older, I'm taking notice to fighters such as Ben, Demetrious Johnson and a few others who have issues with Dana White. It's now obvious, at least to me, that the smarter fighters and White never see eye-to-eye, and it's because they aren't able to be duped by White. No disrespect to White, he has a job to do, but Ben is on another level in terms of IQ and that bothered him significantly.
@@Chalk89 alll the disrespect towards that lobster bro
wasn't smart enough to perceive that knee.
@@Chalk89 anyone who´s seen Masvidal ko knows Ben Askren IQ is very low
seeing some running towards u and dipping your head is a movement of a very unintelligent person
@@bobaphat3676 Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing 😐😐😐
1. They wrestle bears
2. Training at high altitudes
3. They wrestle the best since early age
4. That cool ass beard
Ben’s a really good guy. I’m glad I got to hear him.
It's the same reason Brazilians were so good at football everyone in their country played it and did with rocks and stones. Diversity and a passion for a particular sport creates athletes. Similar to Thailand creating the best kickboxers their bread from young their legs are like bamboo
India and Pakistan are identical in terms of condition and genetics,
Yet Pakistan produce plethora of fast bowlers (it's like pitcher of baseball)...
@@ssheikh3598 Mike tyson a similar thing. New York was in the midst of the crack era mike had a troubled life and cus d'amato created a monster.
NZ and Rugby
i guess training in those high mountains will give you cardio for weeks - at least when you come to Vegas or Florida and fight;) .... or closer to the ocean, in general
Not high lol
@@Q_QQ_Q it is high lol what are on lmao
Lower elevation is what you’re looking for
rest in peace Cain Velasquez
Dagestan actually has the Highest Human Settlements in Europe
When you watch Satiev wrestle (go to his highlight films) you can see him score with a ridiculously wide range of holds. He could throw from several ties, he could leg attack to either side, he could "carry" using a a variety of sets ups and arm controls, he could counter, he could scramble, and he could turn from the top position using laces and different types of guts. And these weren't just 'one-off' techniques. You'd see him hit the entire range over and over The diversity of his attacks is what lifts him to that other level of greatness. John Smith scored a ton too, but off of a low single, high crotch, good defense, and a good leg lace. Burroughs is an all-timer too, but it is double, double to single, re-attack, and a lace. Amazing to watch, but "predictable" to a degree (good luck stopping him). Satiev could and would do everything and it would work.
Burroughs destroys Satiev
@@jesiah391 this comment proves you know nothing about wrestling or Saitiev.
Fun fact: Saitiev is chechen, just like Khamzat Chimaev.
@@jesiah391 What about Geduev?
He's sooooo over rated
Love all your podcasts but , being a former wrestler, really appreciated this one.
That's fascinating. Tell us all about it.
You mean a no famous washed up wrestler wannabe?
@@shineed9747 I wrestled in high school and college. True, I didn't win an NCAA tournament but I'm a successful physician now so not a complete wash.
Imagine being as miserable as Shinee D
Looks like they both just woke up
The book is called, The Talent Code, by Daniel Coyle. A must read!
I find it fascinating all the camps or people that the laymen thinks ‘go hard’ are actually the most frequent light drillers. Dagi with wrestling. CKB with striking is another good example.
Muay Thai sparring is very very light also
Ben seems like a championship human, need more of him.
He is
Ben pretty much lays it out there. Elite American wrestlers are able to make a proper living now. It’s reflected in our current crop of athletes. Close and getting closer to being the best in the world.
Dagestan is the modern day Sparta but for combat sports.
Except Dagestani people can actually fight
@@draco_1876 so could Spartans. Jesus
@@xnoybis9967 Debatable
spartans are overrated
@@hidum5779 Not at all.
Elite muay thai guys in Thailand do a lot light sparring as well. Israel adesanya or was it Joe Rogan mentioned it
Gabriel Varga already debunked this.
I believe it was firas zahabi on jre
@@sebastianamaro9788 yeah it's firas zahabi abt how the cuban/Russian wrestlers are superior to American wrestlers!
Wow Ben nice insight from Ben he is very good actually
It's sad how many armchair warriors will remember Ben. Defined in five seconds and fake trash talk to hype his fight. He was a phenomenal wrestler, Bellator champ, a ONE champ, and made it to the UFC. Not a pioneer but another talent that showed the power of wrestling.
Dude I didn’t know Funky was on this podcast! Awesome
Good too see Mr.Askren has finally regained consciousness.
Never heard that one before. Amazing 👏
@@agi2160 Thanks,your mom told me it.
@@mattyb567567 Really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Good job 👍
@@agi2160 she told me too. Must have kept it from you.
@@conorm8810 🥴
Same thing for Thailand and Muay Thai, training and discipline taught at an early age, a way to get of out of poverty for yourself and your family.
Great guest, well done.
It's a social aspect in Dagestan. All boys wrestling...period.
Those cultures have deep roots in grappling sports dating back thousands of years
I've been to Dagestan, man what a tough place to live, I was shocked by the wall and all the military. Tough times truley does make tough men.
Love Ben
San Basilio de Palenque Colombia. Tiny village that's put out some good boxers.
the moment you realize that you are bored off your ass and really would like to go home : 1:57
Thats why i dont like his podcast in general. The dude is always dead and dry.
@@WoodsarasHe's an industry plant. His podcast did not achieve a high profile based on merit.
@@AguyR1401 i mean, i like the guests etc. I still watch him, I understand him. He's got some good questions once in a while. But overall still, he just doesn't tickle me.
@@Woodsaras How did an otherwise boring individual, with a monotone voice and mediocre interview skills, manage to score interviews with such high profile guests so early in his show's lifespan? Some trickery is afoot in this regard.
@@AguyR1401 No idea. And I don't really care.
So basically, he doesn't know specifically..
He knows and he answered. He didn't go into great detail but he kinda mentioned at it. Tradition, popular with youth, money, tough upbringings etc. It's like in the US with basketball and football with certain communities(black people) the so called hoop dream. Every kid wants to go pro and make it out the hood and there is a tradition there. Wrestling in the US is a niche sport you could say in most the country. Yes few states where it's very popular but most of the country the best athletes play basketball, football, baseball, hockey, soccer, track n field etc. In dagestan and the Caucasus countries wrestling is the #1 sport that most wanna be great at.
You are the average of the people you are surrounded with. Hence to be the best, you need be among the best.
Awesome
I would pay such good money to watch a wrestling match between Khabib and Ben, that would be brilliant!
Ben Askren was 18:0 with accomplishments:
5x Bellator Welterweight Champion
5 x ONE Welterweight Champion
Unfortunately his UFC route did not went like he wanted to. Was on a very good way to become an generational great with his accomplishments
It was a little bit late for him. But there's no doubt he was dominating other organizations. Dana only accepted him in to the UFC knowing that he was past his absolute prime. He was set up to fail in the UFC,but it was a blast to see him there. As you say, humble, but knew how to sell a fight.
Damn he's look's like an ancient Greek from Sparta
"It's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war" unknown via Joe Rogan
Art Of War Sun Tzu
You're a disgrace for crediting Joe Rogan with a Sun Tzu quote.
“Tis better to cum in the sink than to sink in the cum” Art of War - Sun Tzu
This is sun tzu
@@CoolAdam247 you don't know Joe Rogan is Sun Tzu? Did you see him dismantle Gupta from CNN?
Lex is such an OG, he got an interview with Julius Ceasar
Who wins gold in the Olympics, and worl championships
I think the guy that asked the question did a better job at answering it than Ben lol Those Dagestan wrestlers are real special. So they get compensated very well in wrestling and focus mostly technique. Basically they’re more motivated and train smarter and consistently’ then they crush everyone. I want to know what’s there training routine like
Is not only Dagestan also Armenia Georgia and other places in the region
Legend
Curacao in baseball????
Dominican Republic: hold my bat.
For real. Pretty much any country over there would be over curaçao LOL. Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Cuba, even Mexico would all be above curaçao
It’s those bathes man
When you grow up on elevation your lungs get used to very minimal oxygen. Living on a mountain you're always either going up or down. That gives you legs of steel. To us low class sea level dwellers you become a mountain god. Interesting how all the greek gods Adonis and them all lived on Mount Olympus.
Lack of first world luxuries makes you a bit of a hard nut to crack too. And then there's the culture of extreme respect.
@רחבעם spoken like a sea level hooman
Interesting to hear that the Dags don't go full bore with their sparring.
I thought it would be a madhouse in those gyms
Focus on technique... Thats the difference.
Yea it's actually the opposite. American wrestling is known for being super hard-nosed and all out, having great conditioning etc whereas Russian wrestlers were always the better technicians and less of brutes. It's changing now though but it was like that for years.
Saitiev is Chechen and a national hero. Please stop confusing him for a Dagestani.
Not Chechen.
@@MegaLaban12345 look it up if you don't believe me
Chechen born but now Dagestani
They are all the same.
@@Q_QQ_Q I used to be black but now I'm white.
Altitude prob helps
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Proof that he took a dive on the Paul vs askeww. Money 💰 🤑
Yeah it's simple science. Oxygen is less available at higher altitudes, so your body becomes more efficient. Then you combine that with Dagestani combat education, which is essentially a spartan training brotherhood lifestyle where you spar with person after person. Khabib would go with several guys in a row in order to tire each one out, beat all of them for his workout. Just beat five of the best Dagestani competitors every day for a lifetime at high altitude. They train to hold you down with just their legs for 25 minutes so their hands are free to punch you. Khabib has dense wrestlers strength and is built like a chimpanzee.
Exactly
Why the hell does he do this with his face at 1:59 ????
Lex look like he wanna throw a flying knee, go home and have a modelooOOOOHHHH 1:56
🦅
Wrestling bears as a child should help
Khabib vs Askren was a dream matchup
because they don’t shoot into a flying knee
It's funny because we almost never say spar. We say go live.
Sparring is for striking arts then?
Ben Askren stud wrestler very good fighter
Why is lex fighting to stay awake
Pleeease do Khabib
Not going to acknowledge the fact that they are mostly devout Muslims, and the immense advantages to wrestling when strict discipline can be achieved. They also cut a massive amount of weight, and often fight two weight classes below their walking weight... I would guess that seasons like Ramadan and their fasting likely doesn't hurt their ability to cut weight and endure awkward mental and physical discomfort.
Best wrestlers in World are from eusiian caucasis republic ossetia and they are Christian’s
The answer is bears.
Because they wrestle bears?
who is the "tired man" ben askren talking with???
So much respect for Ben not blaming roid use and shit like Jordan B.
Buvaisar Saitiev is a Chechen
Because they have no escape beside that to make good decent money . Plus in the time of URSS the région have been choosen to find wrestler because of their physic who is good for the spécifics of the disciplin.
Saitiev is Chechen not Dagestan.
Лекс для многих дагестанцев борьба это социальный лифт, как и армия. Плюс мускулиная культура делает боевые искусства, очень распространеными среди людей.
That book is missing Jamaica and sprinting an island of 4 million people absolutely dominate the world and even the sprinters from other countries that win half the time are Jamaican
the fascinating thing about dagestan is like "me and my brothers". He has no idea and little input on what Lex is asking. He is little too Murica.
Huh
There are lot of Dagestani coming out. What we see just tip of the iceberg. Their belief and environment shape them.
Its in their culture. Why do you think brazil and germany got the historicaly greatest football teams? Its because football has deep roots in their culture
They do it since birth thats why
khabiiiiiiib GOAT
Buvaisar Saitiev (+Adam Saitiev) from Chechnya, Sidakov - from Ossetien, no Dagestanis. Its Nord-Causasus (Russia´s Republics)
Buvaisar is Chechen, but he was born in Dagestan
The thumbnail is depressing
Bajrang punia
Lex speaks Russian? How has he never mentioned that before?
He has
He and Vitalik Buterin spoke a little Russian during their episode
He spoke it before too
xD got em'
russian jews
Good to see Masvidal’s son doing well.
This guy looks burnt out.
Combat sports programs in schools would solve 99% of issues we have I'm society
True, you can always tell who has never been punched in the face by how aggressive they are and how much they think they want to fight. People that have been in a lot of fights or gone through a lot of bullying/beatings want nothing to do with violence or hurting people if they can avoid it. The one's that are the most eager to engage in violence are really just ignorant to the reality of the consequences, usually from a major lack in experience. Everyone thinks that they are just going to sidestep the punch and knock the guy out, then BOOM lights out. Everything happens a lot faster when you aren't watching from the sideline or through a screen.
Every war in human history starts with EXPERIENCED soldiers who have gone through war before. Less violence = less war.
They make them tired, and then smesh
Torturing children into being elite athletes… That’s how you do it🏁
Go home.
It's better still that the other option that is join the army and die in war
Either that or they get forced into joining extremist militia group from childhood.
sad but true.. lol
@@adamwilson6 We are home
Khabib v Ben. Make it happen.
Ben who??
First!
Аре бееее
Instead of explaining the concepts in the book and how they relate to Dagestani wrestling Ben goes “I read book one time”
Dagestan is Salusa Secundus
Its either wrestle n get out or stay there and inbreed
this the guy jake paul smashed?
Lex is putting himself to sleep lol
Jake Paul LOL
Ben sounds like he can’t breathe out of his nose
Is lex just sleepy all the time? Why does he seem so blah all the time?
Is it me or Ben is slurring his words a bit?
Nah, he sounds like regular Ben. Sounds tired but not slurring words.
That's regular Ben talking + little bit of head trauma from MMA
Jake Paul must have hit him really hard
@@grevengriff8609 Go watch Ben Askren vs Masvidal
He always had a speech impediment. Even in his college days.
What would life be like if Ben Askren didn’t face Masvidal?? …. Fate is really weird…
So many other countries are so much better at wrestling than USA.
But why is ufc still allowing Russians to fight in the cage when every other sport removed or banned Russia
Seethe