The Voith Gearbox
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2014
- Here is a video which describes what the voith gearbox sounds like. Voith is the cheapest out of the three main gearboxes but is also not the same quality as Allison and ZF. Voith puts more strain on the engine than the other gearboxes as it holds onto its gears for alot longer than the others. Also a fault with it its revs can be stupidly low in neutral which makes the bus feel like the driver slammed their foot on the breaks but really its the gearbox.
Here is whats in the video and anything particularly 'voithy' about it:
PN02KCC (Dennis Dart): The best voith ive heard with whining, whooing and a screaming retarder! Also doing the revs in neutral - the first one saying the bus has stopped and the second preparing the bus for motion (but the bus wasnt going anywhere, a glitch in the system!). Also being typical voith and holding onto gears for a hell of a long time!
GN04UFL (Volvo B7TL): Not really whining but in gear three making a noise which reminds me of electricity - not sure how else to describe it! Also showing how when slowing down voith changes gears until the last possible second. And although you can see it in the video this bus kept doing a jolty gear change from gear 1 to 2.
GX54DVJ (Dennis Trident): Similar to the one above really, not whining still but a slight retarder can be heard when slowing down, then a gurgly noise in gear 2 and the electric noise in gear 4. These Tridents sound and are better than the B7TLs.
YJ57BKG (VDL DB250): Lots of sound effects here and similar to KCC with whooing, whining and the retarder but revs sinking as it hits neutral.
X607VDY (MAN 18.220): This bus it utter shite and its gearbox is part of the problem, ive been on it before where eery gear change has been jolty which has been fixed but its revs are still sinking in neutral which isnt nice but not as badly as OU51WLNs sink! You can also hear a slight retarder when the bus slows down.
P814GMU (Volvo Olympian): A very whiny voith and a slight retarder - it breaks down because of its dodgy fuel pump which is this buses main fault.
MX06XAW (Enviro 400 Dennis Trident): Similar to DVJ but with a massive whining!
Thank you for watching this video are sorry about the typo at the end! it should say Get not Geat! - Авто та транспорт
Love the Voiths, those sound epic. They're mostly even louder than the engine itself lol.
The local bus company in my town used to have old MAN SG/SÜ240's up till they got sent to scrap in April this year. You could hear them coming a mile away.
Thankfully we've still got Lion's Classics and old Conecto's that use Voith gearboxes, so the old sounds aren't completely gone to waste :D
Our old ones are going to be destroyed soon so no more old voith buses in belgrade but we still have a city not so far away that will have them for a long time.
@@busspotterbg2459 Doći će i oni u požarevac. Pogotovu vaši Solaris. Kad gsp proda arivi Litas iz Požarevca gradske autobuse. A da je ariva litas malo pametnija nebi dovodila krševe iz bg i holandije. Nego bi kupila bolje autobuse.
@@markomilanovic7856 Mislim na nase japance (MAN SG313 i ikarbus ik 201) nista od toga ne ide u pozarevac
@@markomilanovic7856 I nas solaris ako zavrsi karijeru zavrsio je u beogradu... oni drze gsp beograd trenutno
Heae the ZF Ecomat and its a lot different
DB250 Voith is probably the most iconic sound of east, south and north London in the 2000’s/early 2010’s
The axle whine goes so well with it
True @@vehicleswithjacob
This is like ASMR but for bus guys
Lmao
Fuck this ASMR shit, that's 1000 times better!
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I definitely see what you mean and it sure for us dudes. Any bus that has the Voith gear box is a girl bus period imho lol 😂
i love screaming revs it such a nice to the day
The slight rev when the bus stops is due to 2 mechanisms: 1. Auto-neutral & 2. engine idling speed control.
When the bus engages in gear, the engine rev drops because of fluid resistance in the torque converter, then the idling rev is restored because the computer automatically adds throttle. When the bus stops, it shifts to neutral automatically, so the engine revs higher because the fluid resistance from the torque converter is lost, and as a matter of compensatory response, the computer reduces the throttle and lowers the engine rev back. That's why we hear the engine revs for a very short while when the bus stops.
Depending on the engine type, some engines revs longer or higher when the auto-neutral is triggered, while some do not have such a rev control (e.g. the DAF engine in early examples of DB250) and one would just hear the engine keeps at a higher rev in neutral gear, and just revs lower when the gear engages.
And actually one would hear this also happen in ZF gearboxes, just that the Voith examples are much more easily heard because of the gearbox whine. :D
LN6618 Thanks a lot for this explanation !
6HP502 gearboxes make "neutral sound", but "ZF styled"
Very true
All the way with Voith today! Great fun compilation.
I live in Kent and I’ve been on many buses with Voiths and I’ve always loved how they sound, particularly on the double decker Volvo B7TL buses (in fact those make me feel very nostalgic)
The captions were very informative.I've heard the 'veeeehhhh' sound at 0.33 before.But I have never known what it actually was hearing.Thanks to your video I now know what it is.
The downshifting sounds like a ZF mixed with a Allison. Very unique.
Gearbox of my youth in many a MCW!
Love the Voith especially in the 09 plate VDL SB200s with the Wright Pulsar 2 bodywork.
We have a lot of Voith Transmissions across the pond in North America, specifically the USA and Canada. A lot of Gilligs have them, as well as some New Flyers, and maybe a NABI and an Orion or two.
sound like a plane
Max Bellido Alfaro Bellido Yes, it sounds like a Boeing 737 or an A320
It's so tuneful!
Actually it's the modern ZF box that puts more strain on the engine because it uses so low revs with minimal oil pressure. Engines don't like to be lugged like that. Voith is better for the engine, better at getting going and stopping with its extraordinary retarder.
stop spouting bs, engines would rather lug than be sat pinned over-revving because the voith box couldnt change a cog in a year
Imagine this noisy box bolted to an old Detroit Diesel. The sound would be heard from blocks away.
Voith gearboxes was fitted to some buses in America with Detroit Diesel's.
There's some transit companies in Canada that had this combination. BC Transit being the prime example with their fleet of D40LF from 1992.
@@jaggass Voith with the old two stroke Detroits?
@@FM60260 Yes.
@@jaggass Sweet
I’m more of a ZF fan but Voiths are still banging
I love hearing the Voith on Volvo Olympians
I think voith sounds the most calm, and chill on DB250LF's and B7TL's
PN02KCC sounds amazing
I love a Voith in a Gillig!!
And in the Flxible Metro... too bad Tri-Met retired their last Flxibles just three years ago!
Ps I think that electric noise you're referring too is possibly the ZF Axles mate :)
Really? I know the noise isnt really electricity but it sounds like the electric whirring trains make. If you look at my video of XIL1568 (used to be GX54DVG sistered to DVJ in the video) it dosent make the electric sound for some reason.
+The29cqx5 2A v
i like Voith its screaming
voith may be my favourite gearbox because of the static loop and the retarder
I like the Retarder also but what loop are you referring to
@@LJ07EBP when it’s idle
Don't know what ever happened to PN02 KCC used to be such a quick bus but then some way or another seemed to stick in 1st gear a little bit as shown on this vid. Great video btw :)
Thanks! KCA is still very quick - may be something to do with KCCs having a new engine.
+the295 2A you would of loved what London had to offer before 2017
I love all the voith engines, but where I live we scrapped nearly all of them. But we had Dennis Darts SLF with voiths, the same engine as the 1st one.
Voith is not a engine it's a gearbox but I agree they sound great with an engine attached
Would like to see a video like this one but with ZF gearboxes (my favourite)
Yeah I will do one but I'm still collecting videos for it, I need a video of an ultra loud ZF still!
First Halifax 66747 had a loud ZF, withdrawn and scrapped now but there's a few decent videos of its loud whining
Voith darts are common in Bromley and Camden
The first one (Dart) sounds very similar to an Enviro 300, do they have the same engine?
Ayman Ilham If it has a Euro 3 engine yes, it would sound like it
The low revs slowing down into Idle is a common problem on most older 3 speed voith gearboxes as nearly every bus ive been on with this has that issue. 05:18 is a kickdown not an overrevving issue.
True, but if it were ZF or Allison the over rev wouldn't be as bad
Sounds like the Citelis number 8670 imo.
Bucharest have 100+ MB Citaro Euro 3 with PN02KCC sound.Numbers it's:4104,4105,4120,4115,4137,4140 etc...
in my city the 2010s city buses use this gearboxand you can hear them far away Irisbus Crossway LE.
That one for the Volvo Olympian is crazy😂😂
Was that a DB250?
I like the Olympian one
love to sound :De
The VOITH will put strain on say an E200 4.5L Cummins ISB engine but won't hinder the 8.3L ISC, Man's or really anything larger than the 5.9L ISB fitted to some Super Pointer Darts. The VOITH can actually be a very efficient application as a 3 speed for town workings and a 4 speed for more rural services. If set up right they can be massively better than a ZF Or Allison, it depends on the type of vehicle and engine and the vehicle setup. Voiths are generally reliable as they tend to last longer than any Allison and some ZF's. Don't be so negative towards VOITH DIWA gearboxes as they can be smooth and efficient, dependent on the setup and application. Let's ignore the Voith Streetlite and Voith E200 MMC's as they are buses with small engines and the application is all wrong for this equation, but VOITH gearboxes are very good in many ways.
Awesome they all sound good what do u mean by electric noise on volvo b7tl clip
Daniel's UK Transport videos and more since making the video ive come to learn its the axles making to sound I'm trying to describe haha
Yes, that "electric sound" is really just the final drive gear on the drive axle.
@@georgegreenoshine lol
Imagine a Dennis Dart having a Voith gearbox lol
They did.
0:14 sounds like a BMB M240
Voith's have always worked well in Volvo's, Scania and the Optare Spectra due to the size of the engines and power. They never worked that great on engines that were underpowered like in the Gardner 6LXB in Metrobuses, Olympians etc and alot of euro 2 Trident's with that combo slip or refuse to change gear. It's only now that Voith gearboxes have become much better especially in the MMC E200 and MMC E400.
I love how Voith gearboxes still have the same sounds from day 1
“Oh we’ve broken down” said Captain Obvious
our voith bt7ls are on plaxton president and wright gemini1
our stagecoach alx 400s overrev and go fast
the enviro 400s sound like zf
>Also a fault with it its revs can be stupidly low in neutral which makes the bus feel like the driver slammed their foot on the breaks but really its the gearbox.
You are describing engine-driven lubrication in Voith boxes.
sounds like UOV busses haha even the look a like interieur but the steer is left. the first bus.
The 1st one was the best
0:43 Hey, the revs arent confirming the bus has stopped them revs happen because the gearbox automatically switches to gear 0 to save fuel when bus has stopped and 1 to drive again. When it revs up and down that means ur in gear 0 (or neutral if that's what you wanna say) if it goes down then up its either in -1 (aka reverse) or 1+
I have a voith in an Olympian attached to a Gardner. Lovely sound but it has a gear change problem. Takes forever to go into top gear, unless I flick the ignition switch off and on quickly. I'm certain this is an electrical problem because it changes up the second I flick the ignition off and on again. It also struggles on take off from standing... Seems to be stuck in second gear. And same cure, flick the ignition off and on and were away in take off gear.
Looking for clues in the wiring is a nightmare.
Has anyone come across this before.?
Thanks.
New sub. Old bus owner.
That's weird.. I know nothing about wiring currently but keep working with the bus and look for research online. Make sure there ain't any damaged wires or dirty filters on the bus. You can do it bro and I'm sure in the future you will get your bus working great.
The 54 trident is zf
P814 GMU sounds like a combo bewtween a volvo bt7l and a daf DB250
The last one sounds exactly with the ALx 400 over revs and how quick the gears change when going fast
Yeah, it's basically is an ALX400 with updated body
The295 2A here in London the stagecoach alx 400s are getting rattly
Because they are 9 to 13 years old some have been reengineered to euro 4
Some have their speed reduced and others have high revs
The arriva alx 400
The oldest ones have a Daf DB250 while the newer ones have volvo bt7l engines
One if the 54 plates (GX54DVK - I have a video of this) has been re engined to euro 5. the 54 plates are better than the 06s.
+The295 2A to be more specific I mean the GX54s and GX06s. there's a GX55 as well (GX55DXL which I also have a video of) which is amazing but it's turbos now really loud.
The295 2A I was on a stagecoach alx400 today
It was going too fast and you could hear the brakes as it was slowing down
And it was revving too much like a enviro 300 Cummins
I drive buses in East Kent and I reckon the ZF is the better gearbox for driving but the Voith has a better retarder. Best bus to drive is a Trident
Zazur Voith Gearbox
Straight cut gears?
Yeah that's exactly it
Voith b7tls sound better than ZF but Zf is still really nice, but I hate voith dennis tridents prefer zf
Check out a video on UA-cam (not mine) of ALX 400 Trident LK53 EZE
it sounds loads better in a centro plaxton
0:30
Gimme voith over a zf on a Cummins is 6. 7 and let it scream down my dreamy hills 😉
Honestly. Or use it on a daf engine
Can't beat a Voith, Far more robust than ZF or Allison in my experience (Mechanic) Only thing that could make them better would be 5 gears on all boxes as opposed to 3-4. I think the retarder on the earlier ones sound like a tiny wolf on helium haha.
fakiu voith. I Love zf
^voith is nice but ZF is better i like them both but older ones that are _LOUD_ are better!
.. i love Manual.
Zf upahift voith "downshift"
*drool* listen to that white
the volvo b8ble has a voith gearbox.
They have ZF Ecolife too, Any B8RLE I have been on was Ecolife.
+Dylan Thomas
around Burton-on-Trent, we have a lot of b8rle, mostly arriva midlands. I go on them from swadlincote bus station to Burton-on-Trent town centre. If you're wondering what number it is, it is the number 8 bus. when it terminates at Burton-on-Trent, it turns into the 1a to Tutbury.
No that’s the DAF Commander
alot= a lot :/
electric bus?
Wilson Zumba No
Nah diesel
i never EVER liked a voith engine ever especially with darts and B7TLs it just ruins every bit that is good about the bus literally it idles as such low RPMs its doesnt sound right all the time but allison and ZFs are soo good
Voith is a gearbox not an engine and I love how it performs
i think german buses are much better
stop calling us Voith please OUR VOICE IS NOT SOUNDING LIKE VOITH!!!
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