THE SSPX IN KENYA | Schism, Sedevacantism etc. | Hearing From An SSPX Priest
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- Is the SSPX in schism? Fr. Peter, Priest-in-charge at Holy Cross Catholic Church Kenya, together with Holy Cross Faithful, Sam Magero answer these and more objections to the SSPX and the Latin Mass in general.
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The encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis by St. Pius X and the book Partisans of Error brings to light how the enemies of The Church had infiltrated It and Archbishop Lefebvre saw it clearly. The modernists were and are ambiguous in their writings and teachings just as the serpent was and is very subtle. It was a hard decision for him to make but when one is to decide whether to choose Truth or error, he chose Truth. But another argument I've heard is in the case of say St. Padre Pio being restricted in celebrating Mass publicly, he obeyed his superiors, how would one give an answer to that.
And is there a future where the F.S.S.P and S.S.P.X unite?
GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION 2. That We should act without delay in this matter is made imperative especially by the fact that the partisans of error are to be sought not only among the Church's open enemies, but, what is to be most dreaded and deplored, in her very bosom, and are the more mischievous the less they keep in the open. We allude, Venerable Brethren, to many who belong to the Catholic laity, and, what is much more sad, to the ranks of the priesthood itself, who, animated by a false zeal for the Church, lacking the solid safeguards of philosophy and theology, nay more, thoroughly imbued with the poisonous doctrines taught by the enemies of the Church, and lost to all sense of modesty, put themselves forward as reformers of the Church; and, forming more boldly into line of attack, assail all that is most sacred in the work of Christ, not sparing even the Person of the Divine Redeemer, whom, with sacrilegious audacity, they degrade to the condition of a simple and ordinary man.) Pascendi Dominici Gregis
Keep up the good work.
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Truly there is the Trojan horse in the city of God. An attempt to subterfuge the Church in her doctrine, structure and worship. But for us faith will suffice. We lose not hope and we keep a heart of charity.
The SSPX and FSSP might appear separated but as long both keep a love for God and zeal for souls, triumph is coming. The difference between the two might just be in the polity which plagued even the apostles of Christ.
The other good references to understand the infiltration is The Rhine flows into the Tiber.
Indeed, the Pope was deceived if not naively oblivious of the likes of Bugnini.
There was a marxist infiltration in The Catholic Church as red martyrdom brought about more Catholics (The blood of the martyrs is the seed of The Church) so they infiltrated The Church to change It's doctrine, theology and philosophy.
But why did Paul Vi even after saying that the smoke of satan has entered The Church, not stop it.
All those bishops and cardinals clebrated the Tridentine Mass, how could majority give it away without resistance.
They have Uncrowned Him', a book by Archbisop Lefebvre is good and also AA-1025, The Memoirs of an anti-apostle by Marie Carre.
God bless this channel! - from an Australian SSPX attendee :) It's amazing to see the work of the SSPX all over the world! 🌹
Thank you Credidimus! Together we praise and thank God for SSPX!
God Bless SSPX. greeting from Indonesia
Amen! Thank you for watching! 😊
Great to have other Catholic content outside of the US, it is good to see that the love and appreciation of the TLM is growing everywhere. Keep up the good work! God bless!
Thank you SY, all for the Glory of God. We are inspired by many traditional Catholics in the US.😊
A good platform coming from SSPX in Kenya,thank you Esther for the good work. From Abuja in Nigeria. Kudos SSPX Africa!!
Thank you Damian! 😊
Please bring SSPX to Nigeria fast. We are longing for it.
Hello Victor
There is SSPX in Nigeria, in Enugu. Abuja and Lagos
God bless the SSPX and their Eastern partners, the SSJK
Pieknie! Niech Immaculata błogosławi. Pozdrowienia z Polski.
Amen! Happy to have you here all the way from Poland! 😊 Deo Gratia!
Cannot have enough of this! TLM is the place of refuge for souls. We thank God for giving us Humble and Holy Priests who are never tired to save souls... O Lord grant us many Holy Priests, bless Archbishop Lefebvre and may his soul rest in eternal peace.
Amen! Thank you! 🙏🏿
Hi Esther.
Greetings for you, your family & friends from Our Lady of Victories in Preston - FSSPX England.
Hello Tomasz, greetings. Thank you for following all the way from England. God bless you!
Was it providence to land on this podcast. Thank you Fr. Peter and Mr. Magero for your excellent clarifications. May those who have ears listen and understand. Ave Maria.
Truly Providence. Deo Gratia! 😊
Holy Cross is always the place everyone would wish to be at every moment.
💯 couldn’t agree more!
Waiting like never before, Esther! Amen! Thanks
Thank you Esther! 😊
Great work of clear explanation by Rev.Fr.Peter and Sam. Indeed we're all called by Him through TLM. All we need is to listen to this sort of podcast and all will be lidly clear. Deo gratias semper.
Thank you Simon! Deo Gratias!
Love, love, love your channel. Keep up the good fight !
Thank you!
I'll need to rewatch this one. So much depth!
I am so grateful to God for the stability Holy Cross has afforded me and my family
So happy to hear that for you and your family! 😊
amazing content , always looking forward to new episodes
Thank you our DoP! You do amazing job! God bless you abundantly! 😊😊
Greetings from Schweiz 🇨🇭.
Greetings! 😊
Thanks Fr. Peter n Sam. Esther , number two can't excomunicat number one,it can no 3 coz they were together. 1 was never with 2. Thanks. God bless all!
God bless you too Esther and thank you for watching! See you at church! 😊
Great work Esther! This is very insightful. May God bless your work. Cheers to growth in the faith
Amina! Thank you! For the glory of God!
Sam was an effective aid to the priest and impressive as an apologist
Truly gifted! Thank you.
Hello Esther! I have just bumped into this channel. I have a friend (Fidelis) who in the year (I think) 2015/6/7 did tell me about the SSPX. She told me The Society is in Kenya, and wanted to establish parishes in Kenya. Without going into so many details, I realized many church authorities are afraid of the SSPX (just like they are afraid of the Vincentians!).
Where in Kenya, does the SSPX hold regular Eucharistic Celebrations? I would love to attend one of their Masses to experience the beauty of TLM.
I must confess, I love everything Latin - the Gregorian Chants, ....etc.
It pains me when we remove/reject the solemnity that using Chants bring to any liturgical celebration.
Hi Pauline 😊,
Thank you for your comment. Yes, we have SSPX in Kenya. It’s located in Lavington on Amboseli, Serenity road.
They have weekday Masses, Sunday Masses at 8am,9am,11Am and catechism at 10:00am on Sundays. Confession is also offered during all Masses.
Here’s a pin to the Church:
Holy Cross Catholic Church
0717 676238
maps.app.goo.gl/W577v3LTfq45gJZ57?g_st=ic
Karibu sana! 😊
I don't think they are afraid of the SSPX. The issue is that the status of the SSPX is still to be reviewed as they are currently categorised as not being in communion with the Church.
Always an educative session.
🎉 thank you! 😊
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Przyjedź. Zobacz. Módl się za nas i wraz z nami.
@@ceciliabarua5172 z Polski jest bardzo daleko 😎
Pozdrawiam z Polski
Pozdrawiamy z Kenii. Szczęść Boże!
Hello Esther. I'll be travelling to Nairobi from Eldoret and I'd love to attend Holy Mass with the SSPX. But I can't get an exact location on the website. Could you please give me an exact address so that I know how to find the church. God bless
Hi Queen B, happy to hear that. Karibu! Holy Cross Church is located in Lavington on Amboseli Serenity Road. Here's the pin: goo.gl/maps/UPWmxu4FG76mdb4s8
@@catholicesther thank you so much.
Sam (a layman?) Is absolutely brilliant
Sure is! 🙏🏿
Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, Sess. 7, 1547: “If anyone says that baptism [the sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation: let him be anathema.”
"We are suspended a divinis by the Conciliar Church, the Conciliar Church, to which we have no wish to belong! That Conciliar Church is a schismatic Church because it breaks with the Catholic Church that has always been..."It has its new dogmas, it’s new priesthood, it’s new institutions, it’s new worship… The church that affirms such errors is at once schismatic and heretical. This conciliar Church is, therefore, not Catholic.” - Abp Lefebvre
I await the next video where Fr Peter will be arguing that Abp Lefebvre lacked the authority to make this declaration, or perhaps he won’t do so because he has double standards? Authority for me but not for thee!
Pope Clement V, The Council of Vienne, 1311-1312: “Besides, only one baptism regenerating all who are baptized in Christ must be faithfully confessed by all just as ‘one God and one faith’ [Eph. 4:5], which celebrated in water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit we believe to be the perfect remedy for salvation for both adults and children.”
La FSSPX respecte ses fidèles et beaucoup moins ses prêtres.
Notice that SIRICIUS ALSO DECLARES THAT WATER BAPTISM IS THE “UNICO CREDULITATIS AUXILIO” (THE UNIQUE HELP OF FAITH): THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED
According to the pope’s teaching, receiving the Sacrament of Baptism is the unique help of faith. Receiving it is the first condition, and the only way, to be saved through the faith, as Scripture also teaches.
“… having been buried with him in baptism, by which you were also raised with him through the faith [διὰ τῆς πίστεως]…” - Colossians 2:12
“For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through the faith [διὰ τῆς πίστεως]. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.” - Galatians 3:26-27
There is no such thing as a belief or faith (a credulitas) that can bring a person to salvation without water baptism. It is the only way that one receives the true, saving faith. That’s why the Church has also taught that only those who have received the Sacrament of Baptism are part of the faithful.
How is it then that there are Saints from the Early Church who were not baptized, but being martyred are thus considered saved? Baptism of desire and Baptism of Blood also exist and have always been taught by the Church.
Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 2 on the Sacrament of Baptism, Sess. 7, 1547, ex cathedra: “If anyone should say that real and natural water is not necessary for baptism, and on that account should distort those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ: ‘Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit’ [John 3:5], into some metaphor: let him be anathema.”
I could bring forward more quotes which demonstrate the necessity to Waterly baptized. But these few should be sufficient for any honest person. BOD and invincible ignorance are incompatible with catholic teachings. I have read about some missionaries and saints imprisoned who had the chance to escape but would not because of the unbaptized prisoners.
How is it then that there are Saints from the Early Church who were not baptized, but being martyred are thus considered saved? Baptism of desire and Baptism of Blood also exist and have always been taught by the Church.
People also bring up the case of the good thief who was saved by Christ on the cross. They claim he is an example of someone who was not baptized. There’s nothing that says the good thief was never baptized. Even if one agrees he was not baptized, the council of Trent teaches that the law of baptism became obligatory after the resurrection when Christ commanded his disciples to go baptize and make disciples of all nation. The Shepherd of Hermis is a work that is classified among the writings of the apostolic fathers, it a book of revelation allegedly granted to Hermis of Rome. It is dated to the first or second century. It was ranked along holy scriptures. It was such an important work that St. Iranaeous classified it as scripture. He probably just considered it as something authoritative or important and not necessarily part of divinely inspired canonical writings. He called it scripture probably because he mentioned it in the context of citing Malachi, Ephesians, and the book of Matthew. St. Athanasius who reject the Hermas as part of scripture, however, recommended the it for catechetical instructions and repeated praised it. Well, the shepherd of Hermas taught the just who died before the resurrection were baptized. As Fr. Johannes Quasten says in his book Patrology, vol. 1, page 101 “Thus Hermas is so thoroughly convinced baptism is absolute necessary for salvation that he teaches that apostles and teachers descended into limbo after death to Baptize the righteous departed of pre-Christian time.” Please watch this video for more details. endtimes.video/good-thief-baptism/
The Lefebvrian priests do not have the faculties to say public Mass so therefore, every time a Lefebvrian say Mass, he commits an act of disobedience to the Vatican and to the local See. It is not a Mass that I would want to attend.
Hello Greg,
The apparent disobedience of SSPX is obedience to The Church. There is a state of necessity. The SSPX was given an ultimatum to be given faculties. Accept the errors of Vatican 2 then we will give you faculties. Isn’t that what Essau was fooled with? A plate of pottage in exchange for his birthright?
Canon law is not independent. Canon law is dependent on natural law, natural law is informed by Divine law and divine law is formed by Eternal law which is the mind of God.
The jurisdiction of a Bishop is given for the service of the mission of the Church. It’s not the mission that serves the jurisdiction. In a crisis the church supplies jurisdiction.
Constantinus II conspired and forced the Catholic bishops to excommunicate Bishop Athanasius and remove him from his see and took away his faculties. Being the Patriarch of Alexandria he continued his duty to his see even if Eusebius the Arian had usurped his see and threatened with death any catholic that attended the mass at the underground churches of St. Athanasius. St Athanasius in order to preserve the sacraments also consecrated more bishops in his excommunication.
what would you say of the many Catholics who followed Athanasius? The priest who were ordained by him and said mass without permission.?
Pope Liberius I who was the first pope not to be named a saint. Who himself became a Semi- Arian and exercised Catholics who firmly held the traditions and divinity of The Christ?What do you have to say of those times.?
Well these modern times are worse than the Arian times. Pope St. pius X says modernism is a worse error than Arianism. For it too denies the divinity of Christ implicitly.
To refuse faculties to a priest who hold on to the entire Faith inviolate and give it to one who denies faith is in both ways null and void.
The priests are not Lefebvrian, as if Lefebvre had a doctrin unique to himself like Luther or Calvin!!
Show me one doctrine that Lefebvre has taught of his own.
Christ said: my Doctrine is not my own… it is the teaching of the one that sent me. That is God.
St. Paul said… I give you what I received from Christ.
All bishops must only transmit what was given to them. That is their sole task.
Laferbve did just that. Whatever conspires against such transmission is simply for us to suffer in faith, hope and charity
It’s high time Catholics wake up to the fact that The Church our mother is in a crisis. Unless one sees this crisis then SSPX is useless. The remedy is useless unless one admits they are sick.
Let’s not run away from Her (The Church) while she undergoes her passion for fear of t crowds and the High Priest.
SSPX is attached to The Church.
Letter of St. Athanasius to his flock
May God console you! What saddens you is the fact that others have occupied the churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises─ but you have the apostolic Faith. They can occupy our churches, but they are outside the true Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the Faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the Faith? The true Faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in this struggle-the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith?
True, the premises are good when the apostolic Faith is preached there; they are holy if everything takes place there in a holy way You are the ones who are happy: you who remain within the church by your faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from apostolic Tradition. And if an execrable jealousy has tried to shake it on a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis.
No one, ever, will prevail against your faith, beloved brothers. And we believe that God will give us our churches back some day.
Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church; but in reality, they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray.
Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ.
How can you explain why Pope Francis has been inviting the bishop of the dioceses to grant us juridiction for celebration of marriage and the mass of marriage if we cannot celebrate the mass?
All I know is that the Lefebvrians do not have the faculties to say public Mass but they can officiate at weddings. This hasn't changed.
@@GR65330 You can see yourself the contradiction... they can say the mass of marriage but not the other ones ?
The standing as of today is that the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) is not part of the catholic church.
They are SPPX not catholic, somewhat similar to the Orthodox church.
They were excommunicated in 1988, 18 years after their founding, that was after their founder Lefebvre albeit with several warnings from the Holy See defied and ordained four bishops without permission of the Pope (John Paul II). Since they did not comply with the Dicastery for Bishops formula on the ordination of the Said Bishops and thus have remained outside the Church ever since.
There have been reconciliation talks from after 2000 and the only thing fruitful was that the four bishops had their excommunication lifted. Apart from that the society's priests were sometime back allowed to officiate catholic matrimonies by Pope Francis under certain circumstances which also brought a lot of controversies within the Catholic Church, their priests were also allowed to hear confessions during the Jubilee year of Mercy (2015).
To say that they don't reject the authority of the Pope is untrue. Part of the reason the talks for reconciliation was not successful was because they had reservations on Vatican Council II teaching on ecumenism, religious liberty, and collegiality and that their condition was that the Holy See retract it's position on the same.
I repeat as of today 11/may.2023 the SSPX are not part of the catholic church.
Apart from that there are also other inconsistencies in that our calendars don't match they entered the season of lent a few days after us. Ours was on a Wednesday. Theirs was on Sunday of the same Week.
WE ARE NOT ONE.
Today they celebrated the feast of Saints. Philip and James, we celebrated the same feast 11 days ago.
WE ARE NOT ONE.
Our Bishop Philp Anyolo doesn't give the sacrament of Confirmation to members of SSPX, neither does Kamau nor did John Njue. They are not part of the church.
WE ARE NOT ONE.
But the Catholic church teaches that Jesus instituted the seven sacraments to give Grace and consequently lead to salvation.
They uphold and honor all the seven sacraments which gives Hope.
I have personally interacted with Sam while I stayed in Amboseli where SSPX(Holy Cross) is located, very smart guy but I was not convinced.
I pray one day they achieve full communion with the Holy see and consequently align some of the inconsistencies.
What are you talking about? SMH
Halo Steve,
The teaching of religious Liberty, ecumenism and collegiality were questioned not because it was the opinion of Bishop Lefebvre or SSPX but they were condemned by previous magisterium.
The conflict of conscience is the problem. A catholic is obliged to obey the scripture, tradition and the magisterium. Sspx found itself in a conflict of obedience.
St. Thomas Aquinas says obedience to a member of the magisterium that contradicts previous teaching is not to be obeyed. Obedience to vice is not obedience.
The second Vatican council says for example. “we together with the Muslims worship the same God” that is wrong. Jesus is God. Muslims don’t worship Jesus.
Are we not allowed to point the errors?
Sspx does not reject V2 in totality.
1. There is a part that is Traditional which sspx accepts fully
2. The part that is ambiguous sspx interprets with the hermeneutic of continuity
3. The erroneous part it rejects.
To accuse SSPX of schism is as good as to accuse a martyr of suicide.
The Martyrs wanted to live but not at the expense of losing Faith.
We want and desire canonical recognition. But not at the expense of losing the Faith.
We had also Ash Wednesday just as dictated by Rome. The reason we use the Old Missal thus the difference in feasts is because Pope Paul VI removed 73 Saints from the calendar saying some saints like St. Philomena were myths.
As for the unjust exclusion of the SSPX, imagine if in the future you are excluded from your diocese for believing that Jesus is God and He is present in the Eucharist.
Would you rather be recognized and deny your faith or would you rather hold on to the faith and be rejected?
We modernism is a heresy condemned by Popes, to abandon tradition in the church is sinful.
To reject tradition is like rejecting the scriptures. Just as you can’t reject the scriptures and still be in Faith, one can not reject tradition and pretend to be faithful.
If part of What we as the Catholic church believe is Heretical and you reject it to the extent that you remain outside the church you cannot claim communion with a party you are not entirely subject to it.
SSPX claiming to be catholic while you are outside the church violates the principle of non-contradiction.
You cannot be in and out at the same time.
We have the Doloran fathers in the Archdiocese of Denver Colorado, led by the famous exorcist, Fr, Ripperger who have permission to celebrate the Mass in the extraordinary Form and they are many more
Priestly Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP)
Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (ICRSS, ICKSP)
Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (FSSR)
Institute of the Good Shepherd (IBP)
Servants of Jesus and Mary (SJM)
Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem (CRNJ)
Canons Regular of Saint John Cantius (SJC)
Canons Regular of the Holy Cross
Fraternity of Saint Vincent Ferrer
Personal Apostolic Administration of Saint John Mary Vianney (PAASJV)
All these groups fall within the umbrella of the church and have been given permission to celebrate Mass in the Extraordinary Form, what makes SSPX different?
Politics aside, as it stands the fact is that you are not part of the Catholic church and holding that stand is lying to your congregants.
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I've watched the video and read responses and I'm confused. What reservations did SSPX have on religious liberty? Are they saying 'like from the video' that we cant freely worship God the way we want? Arent all religions equal? Is the Vatican council ecumenism thing saying all religions are equal?
@@historylooper5562 Sorry for your confusion. Maybe with further reading and prayer it will become clear. There is only one true religion. The Catholic Faith. Two things can not contradict and be equal. We worship God in spirit and truth. God has revealed one religion. The devil has plagued the world with many errors and heresies. A half-truth is not any better than a lie. The only true religion is able to save us. Maybe if you stay in touch we shall address the teaching of Vatican 2 on Ecumenism and Religious Liberty.
But why do the SSPX people I've seen insult the Church hierarchy all the time, and claim that all popes beginning from John XXIII are anti-popes and satanists? I have nothing to do with any religious ideology that denigrates the Successors of Peter in Rome.
That's a lie! Post concilliar popes were contaminated with modernism. Thats a fact. Popes can be apostates and heretics. they are not impeccable.
The SSPX is very respectful and never insults the church hierarchy. Please give me the link of a text or a video of a priest of our Society lacking insulting the Holy Father or the hierarchy?
It also seems you make a confusion between SSPX and sedevacantists. The SSPX has never stated the popes from John XXIII are anti-popes or satanist. Could you please give your references?
@@holycrosschurchkenya9857 God bless you for your kindness. Please, educate me more. What's the exact difference between the two sides? I see people all the time who identify with the SSPX, nullifying Vatican II, and making the claims that there's been no pope in the Church since John XXIII.
@@holycrosschurchkenya9857 Is the SSPX in Kenya that recognizes the authority of Pope Francis? Or is this just a ploy to make it easier for Novus Ordo Catholics to swtich? It's a genuine question please. From what I've heard, the SSPX in general does not recognize Pope Francis authority.