To scrub through audio in greater detail increments beyond frame by frame, go to options and uncheck quantize to frames. This helps with timed cuts that you want to time with music and/or exact beats.
Toan Tran Or set the preferences option “don’t quantise to frames for audio-only edits” which is safer as you may forget to put “quantise to frames” back later!
You did something here that I rarely see (or hear) anymore -- and very much appreciate. Even though you clearly prefer Resolve, you left me with the impression that you tried Vegas with an open mind. Of course, you made comparisons between Vegas and other NLEs, but it seems to me those comparisons and your comments on them are unbiased. I like how engaged you are with comments, too. After seeing them you admit that some of your struggles with Vegas simply come from Vegas not being your daily driver. That's quite understandable. As a Vegas-head myself all the way back from Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video Version 3, thanks for the great review!
thanks Bob! I try to be as unbiased as I can in all my comparisons. I'm a big believer in the idea that there is no "best," only "best for me." My job is to give you the info so you can make more informed decisions. I'm glad you noticed!
Quick note. The spacebar setting to make it pause instead of go back is an option you can change in the settings. BTW, the render times in 19 are MUCH faster than in 18.
Watching this video after cancelling my Adobe Premiere Pro subscription - It was a great piece of software but as someone who doesn't do video editing for a job but as a hobby, I just can't justify spending so much money on it every month. Being a musician it is refreshing to see this software is very DAW influenced, and being able to purchase the software without a money draining subscription service is a breath of fresh air! Great review.
Thanks so much! I'm pretty sure they still have a deal where if you purchase 18, you get 19 for free. 19 comes out in less than a week. I'm actually editing the review video as we speak!
There is a Trimmer Window for cutting before you bring video into timeline...You also can trim in the thumbnail window - set in and out points in either. In Trimmer you can create sub clips.
i was using it too, maybe since like v8. But recent versions had many bugs and crashes. So many, that i wonder that ppl actually are able to use it. I used to be very angry with last versions by Magix.
@@bitkarek Yeah I upgraded Sony's Version 11 (having had versions right back to Sonic Foundry days) to version 15 and found it virtually unusable and dropped back to version 11 which I still use for HD output!!! Can't say the experience inspired my to pay out for any more upgrades and I have been thinking of exploring daVinci Resolve. I think the biggest problem is Magix is a bit like Corel - they buy up loads of titles and then are not sure what to do with them. I used to be a big fan of Xara graphics software (again I had software called ArtWorks on an early Risc based machine in the 80s that developed into Xara) and now Magix has that two and it seems to be more of a cash cow than anything else for them. Just my impression!
Great review: All the ""Vegas Positives" are correct", and all of your "negatives" are in-fact actually positives, but hidden from view ! :-) But I don't blame you (I switched from Adobe > Vegas > Resolve >Back to Vegas pro 18. But here is a correction of what you thought was a negative feature on first inspection: m(As you asked to be corrected): . 1. "Space bar returns to beginning of clip every time" is just a preference setting: change it once and it will always behave like Resolve or adobe. i.e NO NEED TO HIT ALT or any other button every time. You simply go to "Preferences" and tick a box that says (Space bar will re-start where you stop - or - Space bar returns to beginning of clip, That's it. (A second way is to hit the 'Pause' instead of 'Stop' with mouse, but space bar is easiest (vegas has the best keyboard short cuts) - first to use surface- input - device options. 2. The effects are exactly how you said it should be, it's just hidden: You can have it just like Resolve (or other NLE) on all three levels by simple click to open the hidden gems. effects can be added to: a) The whole track b) at the media bin (Per Camera separately) c) create a sub-clip (out of a long continuous shoot) then add effect (or many effects) to just that shorter part of a clip. d) on any one (event) e) Universal (The entire project), good for final production phase. It's just hidden on the left side of each track. You simply click (on the 3 lines burger left side of track), select view all and you get the "Fx"' button as well as 'composite', 'Solo', "Mute track', 'Track motion' . that opens up hundreds of effects that are more than comparable to Resolve or other NLE. . 3. Actually, Vegas does have compositing features on each track, But you'd be forgiven for not finding them on your first look. You tube has millions of Tuts on every aspect of Vegas. . 4. Render times: You need to activate GPU acceleration in preferences. I render a two-camera 10 minute video in less than 10 minutes So, I have to congratulate you on your courageous effort for finding so much in the short time you had to evaluate this ever evolving Giant. (vegas has been evolving Like you say: It's really easy to learn, but one day is never enough to learn any editing software, thanks for your bravery :-) (subscribed now)
Their "GPU acceleration" doesn't work with a lot of cards and systems. Check the angry people in the forums. Maybe they'll fix it in version 19 but right now Vegas rendering is a joke.
We are using VegasPro since 2011- the quality is too good, fast editing, more features. Now we have version 18 which is amazing and full of features.👌👍👍Happy Editing.
Correction : There is indeed a video trimmer (source monitor alternative) if you want to use it. One way to use it is to right click onthe footage and the first option is "open in trimmer" It's actually more intuitive than premiere's source monitor. But I prefer trimming it on the timeline since as it's more comfortable and accurate once you get used to it. Also you can just select the portion of the footage or audio you want just from the bin if you roughly know how much you want.
Interesting to see what the other half thinks. As a VEGAS tutorial guy, If you have any particular questions, just let me know! The intermediate codec is for editing and archiving, and is not a delivery codec. It's meat to convert things to a lossless inter frame codec for editing. I think your render settings were wrong because it doesn't take that long. The Pricing model has Vegas Movie Studio for people needing the majority of the power at a faction of the cost.
Thanks for the tips! I really hope that my render settings were wrong, because that was the most painful part of the test. I was trying to match the settings I use in Resolve. Are you on Twitter I'd love to DM you about this.
One thing that you can do regarding Color Grading on a track level: 1-Color Grade whatever clip. 2-Then go to the FX chain and select the Color Grade FX. 3-In the preset drop down menu, type in a name and hit the save button. Now if you go to the Track FX, you can choose Color Grade, then simply select that preset that you just made and that's the entire track colored for you.
I´m new to editing, and I´ve installed pretty much every software under the sun over the last months. And I haven´t found anything "better" than Vegas, in the sense that it does a zillion things (most of which I don´t even need), but in a much more intutive, quicker way than Premiere does. It takes far less resources than Premiere, and pretty much everything, from a simple transition to the very useful motion tracking (something that is not even possible with the latest version of Premiere, if I´m not mistaken) seems so much quicker and easier to me. As a non-pro, I just want my software to have room for my own improvement, but without spending a lifetime in front of my computer, since it´s simply a hobby. And for that combo, I simply haven´t found anything better on the market. Anyway, just my 2 cents. Best.
You tried DaVinci Resolve? I was a Vegas user from it's Sonic Foundry days and still have VP 16 on my PC. I tried the free version of Resolve and was blown away. Paid for the full version and love it.
@@crossfithammerschmiede I did, and although I didn´t spend much time with it, it does look pretty good to me, although much closer to Premiere editing style than Vegas. I´ve spent most of my time with Vegas and already learnt how to do most things I need in a very simple way, although I can´t get over how a few other theoretically simple things are so annoying/complicated to do. It is undeniable, though, that DaVinci has gained a lot of traction lately, and there are many more tutorials, courses, etc., than for Vegas, which used to be much more popular in Sony times than it is today, I´m afraid. For the moment, I´m happy enough with it... :)
I'm still a fan of Vegas and couldn't ever see myself using another program until DR came along. That said, I'm comparing it with v. 16, so it's not really a fair comparison. If I have to do quick audio edits, Vegas is still my go-to, DR is clunky in this respect.
greatest feature you can place 10 clips one on top of another in the same tract and they wont delete the underlying clips. This makes it extremely fast to edit cause I don't need to care about ensuring every clip is in different track and that they don't accidentally overlap
To use spacebar as play and pause you simply go to preferences and turn that option on. also you can color grade entire tracks, clips or entire projects. All your “issues” are a lack of how to use the GUI. Vegas is without a doubt the easiest editing platform next to imovie..
I didn't know about the spacebar setting. I did know that you can color grade at all of the levels. I say that in the video. But the actual Color Grade effect, the one that brings up the wheels and curves, would not work at anything but the individual clip level.
After you do an automatic crossfade, you can change the fade types in case you want one clip to fade out faster or shower than the other one is fading in. Nice!
4:53 There is Trimmer option that you can use that is basically that in and out option that you want. Easiest way I found that it can be used it with mouse make selection on the trimmer drag and drop in to the sequence...
Great review! I'm a long time Vegas user that is reticent to spend that kind of money on a casual hobby, and this gave me an idea of how much of a learning curve it would be to switch to Resolve.
I've been using Vegas for about 8 years all through the various upgrades. During that time I would sometimes use Resolve for color grading. I have done some fairly complex and long videos using many tracks and cameras in Vegas. I guess the biggest thing is that I know the software and so it's hard to switch to something else. Resolve does do some amazing things, but I usually don't need those things.
@@JayLippman I cant stand the Video Section and Audio Section of all other NLEs. Audio track bundled together and Video likewise. I like how Vegas lets you move tracks around wherever you want.
As I remember you can add fx to the whole track or project, there should be the fx button on track (left side where volume and other settings) and somewhere near preview screen (for all project).
@@JayLippman Yeah, too bad. Because on a given track I have a specific camera clips (and probably many of them). Oh well, stick with the legacy tools and effects. They have worked well for many years.
Hey Jay,, Thanks for the overview of the new software. I was a Vegas user many years ago. It's interesting to see where it is at now! Visually it looks very much the same... with quite a few updates and new features!
10:45 I'm not sure if it's the same in pro 18 as it is in pro 13, but in 13 you can add effects plugins like color grading to the entire project (Called video output FX) by dragging the effect to your preview window. And alternately, you can also add effects to video tracks so all videos on that track get the effect, you just drag drop the FX to the track.
@@RogerBrenon Actually, Vegas has the fastest GPU-acceleration based rendering time of most editing softwares like premiere or resolve on v16, 17 and 18
@@RogerBrenon tests have been made on several computers with different GPUs, and the result was that rendering time of Vegas Pro isn't faster when only using CPU, but is faster when using GPU acceleration.
Good video,, not sure if you did it, but to speed up render times (dramatically), click File > Properties > Video > Resample Mode: Disable resample. I used Vegas Pro 18 on all of the 170+ 20 min 4k 60fps videos on my channel and my render times are usually less than 35min with a 1080ti and Ryzen 3900x. Hope this helps.
Hey brother no problem, like I always say, content creators need to look out for each other no matter how big or small they are or what genre they represent. I just hope it helped. Take care and good luck.
Thanks for giving Vegas a shot! haha I've been using it almost since it's inception and it's come a long way. The only thing I haven't run into for years is those long render times. :) I run multi 4K tracks with tons of effects, titles, etc and still get almost real time rendering. : ) If it's incredibly intense i might get double or triple the time, but nothing unusually high. Other than that though, appreciate the honest review! I've tried other NLEs and just can't get myself to switch!
I usually have 2x rendering times even when I'm rendering to 1080. I would love to hear more about your setup. I have a laptop 3070 card with 8 core 16 thread 5800 processor
hey man Im not sure someone mentioned this already but you can apply effects to full tracks, all you have to do is drag the effect not on your clips individually but rather on your track
Vegas Pro can do some compositing, it's just not as advanced as most dedicated compositors. You can for example: rotoscope, color key, position in 3D space, and change blending modes.
Good Video :-) Vegas does have a Trimmer window for people who prefer to carefully mark their clips in and out before adding to the timeline (like I do). Go to Options - Preferences and under the General tab, click the box that reads 'Double Click on media files loads into Trimmer instead of tracks'. By default, Vegas switches between the Video Preview and Trimmer windows, but you can have both windows on screen together if you prefer. To do that go to View - Windows Layouts - Vegas 14 default. Also under the Options - Preferences - General tab is a box that reads 'Make spacebar Play/Pause instead of Play/Stop'. Makes life much easier for people used to editing in Premiere. Be careful of unticking 'Quantize to Frames'. This is a great option for fine syncing of audio, especially audio recorded on an external recorder. However, if you move your videos around with this unticked, you can end up displacing your videos by half or quarter (or less) of a frame, which is just really weird to deal with in an edit. Note that when dragging your first clip on to the timeline, Vegas does conform your project to the correct frame rate, but tends to default to an 8 bit colour space. Not something I'd recommend for fine colour grading and especially not for anyone editing 10 bit footage. If you go to File - Properties you can alter your Project settings there, including switching to a 32 bit floating point colour space. Not sure why your rendering times are so long. I'm currently on Vegas Pro 17 and have never found render times to be overly long. Maybe not as fast as I get from Edius (I don't have Premiere), but not slow by any means.
I started in this medium making graphics and combining them with sound and exporting them in Sony Vegas, because I used to do the Andrew Krmaer´s tutorials for After Effects and he used to recomend it years ago...I think that until the 9th version I got to use it. Then I went to Premiere and lost track of it, but I remember it was powerful and performed very well on low-capacity machines. Now that I'm between Premiere and Resolve (I use both for different types of projects) I see that Vegas is starting to develop again and it gives me a certain nostalgia. In fact, it was in Vegas that I used FilmConvert for the first time...and even Colorista was availbale for Vegas...I don't know if it still works. Excellent video.
It needs much more and modern transitions (hyper zoom in/out etc those barn doors are older than my grandma. Second and a big pet peeve when you use the markers and then edit the clip the markers don't move with the edited clip so you have to reorganize ALL the markers if you edit one section of the timeline and use auto ripple to close the gaps, the markers don't move in sync. Render times need to improve yes, crashes on more than one timeline needs to improve but latest version of 18 is much better than previous versions that's for sure. I'm excited to see hat Vegas Pro 19 and 20 will bring.
You can make Space Bar the Play + Pause button in Preferences, it's the first thing I do when I install in on a new PC, I agree with you it makes no sense having it as 2 separate buttons.
All i know is that if you nest your entire project you will be able to apply the whole color grading effect to all the clips at the same time... That will also prerender your clip into one clip so do that only after applying all the other effects
Same old problems with this latest version as previous versions such as "disable resample" when importing video. You do get the option to disable it in project settings but it only applies to the current video you are working on regardless if you tick the " start all projects with these settings" box, soon as you close the video you are working on and import a new video the software will resample it. Still one of the major flaws in this software. Another being the unnecessary rendering when burning to Bluray disc when video is already complient with Bluray specifications, always choose Adobe Encore for burning, it only transcodes non complient files.
Thanks for the video! I was not sure to get that software in a "Humble Bundle" bundle and 20 min render for a 1 min video is baaaaad, so thank you again to have tested this software for us :)
Yes you can do color grading on the track level too ,you add the track color effects where are you turn of and on and mute the video track at the beginning of the track. Track stuff is done on track and clip stuff is done on clips. Simple.
There is an actual effect in 18 called color grading. You can't add that particular effect to a track. All the other color grading tools you can, but not this one. I just confirmed it with the developers last week when we were planning another video.
You can set the space bar to pause and stay there instead of jumping to the beginning. You can set Vegas to start with different default settings (instead of 30fps) or set the project with the settings conforming to the first clip you add. You can scroll with audio. Color grading sucks and has bugs, at least in older version. For example I am adding brightness and contrast filter and I see changes in the waveform before actually making changes to settings. I am a Vegas user since version 3 and it was always the easiest to use but not good enough in color correction/grading...
I didn't know about reprogramming the Spacebar. Thats awesome! And yeah, I ended up changing the default project settings. I cant speak to older versions, but I didn't really notice any bugs in the colorgrading. I was able to do basically everything I needed to do. Thanks for watching!
@@JayLippman I do watch your videos. Really well put together. The option for the space bar is something like "make space bar play/pause instead of play/stop". I'm not on my PC right now. You're also right on the rendering comments, sadly. Slow and not the best results at the end...
you could actually fix the play the timeline then stops when the video begins so you have to open preferences then you should see a checkbox list of features you will see make space and f12 key to play the timeline or the preview I used to hate that annoying thing but you could fix it
Can someone tell me in Vegas say you work on a project. All the project files are in one folder. But you have a second drive where you keep your standard sound fx and overlays and logos etc. So few assets are coming in from that 2nd drive. Now is there a way to save the project so that it will bring those assets from that HDD into this folder permanently ? I know there's a project archive save feature. But that will trim everything and put it into one folder which is good during project completion. What if im still working on the project. Now dont say manually copy each asset (mp3/png overlay/video overlay) and put them into this folder, that will be cumbersome to do every day as im working thru the project.
And yes you are able to add the color grading to an entire track or the entire project. The default setting you can’t visually see the Add Effects button.
Nice video. I too started in DAW'S before hitting NLE's. Vegas has a bug with audio sync in 18 that isn't in 17. It's an absolute dog at syncing but 17 does the same job, quicker and much more accurate. Well, more accurately, it actually syncs!
There are other folks who have made videos showing that video render time is faster in Vegas Pro than the other nles. It may have something to do with the graphics Hardware using or something else on your computer.
Jay, quick, question - is it possible with Vegas's (new?) tracking to say, track a vlogging video with a person walking (singular point on say their belt or logo on shirt) and then use that track to pan in X and Y to keep that point _CENTERED_ in the frame vs manually setting transform keyframes in the Event Pan/Crop dialog? It gets tedious, and at times is very time consuming in that dialog manually transforming clips in X/Y! Tracking a point, and then using that track to keep that point mostly centered within the view would be awesome. (I'm taking 1920x1080 videos and fitting them into 1080 x 1080 renders.)
@@JayLippman Hi, Jay - I've just be out of the loop with Vegas for so long, it was more of a generic question about if Vegas's tracking can do what I mentioned, vs just if the new tracker could do it. It's a common problem I have w/these "square 1080" videos; keeping the subject from a larger frame, centered / focused within the 1080 x 1080 - lots of manual x/y transforming and at times, also zooming... Thanks for your time!
if you want the colourgrade on the entire track je have to click on the left of the track and click on fx there and then everything you do will aplly on the entire track line
I'm talking about a specific plugin thats actually called Color Grade. Its the only one that can't be used at the track level. I don't think they have that it VP 11
When using the plugin color grade, make your adjustments on one clip then export those adjustments as a LUT. Clear the adjustments made on that clip. Drag the LUT plugin to the time line and load the LUT that was created, this applies your color corrections to all clips on the time line. You can then make small adjustments for each clip using the color grade if needed without effecting the entire clip
I despise Vegas Video. It's fun to use while it works, but it crashes nearly every time I use it. The worst part? It wants to show me an ad when it does. Adobe never crashes on my system.
Good video. You can actually select an option right in general preferences that makes the play/pause work like it does in other NLEs. Also idk what's up with your render times. Maybe it wasn't using your GPU for some reason? I render vids in about the same amount of time as the length of the video. Also I remember trying Resolve and I found out the hard way you can't change timeline settings after finishing your video. You have to get them right at the beginning. Vegas lets you change them whenever.
Yeah I have to re-check my GPU settings. Davinci Resolve has definitely had an update since you tried it! You can change timeline settings whenever you want now! And you can have multiple licenses, each with different settings.
THANK U for the video dude helps alot but i got one question is the engine for vegas better then before or the same .. like if 4 video played together would it start to lag
I use movie studio which is just a smaller version of this, with a few less features. it uses the same exact software and even on really poor hardware it can take me 2 minutes to render a 1-minute video. I have no idea how it's taking you 40 minutes to render that
How good Vegas is also has something to do with the plugins you are using. There are plugins that you can use without it there are virtually the same some of the plugins that are used in the Adobe Premiere with the exception of its in the different format. For instance Boris effects. And newbluefx also adds a lot of great functionality to it. When you have these tools it gives you all almost the same things you can do in the Adobie products. Oh yeah. Vegas close to it if they brings it really close to what you can do with it. Also element 3D is supposed to work with hitfilm Pro now. And the hitfilm pro functionality will probably make its way into the next version of Vegas post I believe. But I'm not sure on that. I'm hoping it will. My opinion is at the video and audio editing capabilities moving and tracks splitting them putting it together works better in Vegas.
I mean, this is true of any NLE. But the plugins that you can add to an NLE aren't a feature of that NLE. The fact that it supports plugins could be considered a feature, but not the Plugin itself. I was only looking at the features and tools that were in the native app. You don't need to defend Vegas to me. It's a great tool. It's not the one I like the best, but I can absolutely see why people like it better than others.
What kind of a computer were you using that took it so long to render a 1080p file? Something sounds seriously wrong with the software if it takes 20 to 40 minutes to render a minute and a half worth of video.
Yeah after I published this video, if I remember correctly, it was suggested to me that I might not have had GPU acceleration turned on. But that was 2 versions ago. It's been awhile since I did this video.
Many people have been disappointed by "Vegas" pro 18. I've watched videos about that. Actually version 18 is no longer VEGAS, it's MAGIX. I'm keeping my two old versions 17 & 11. thanks.
I’ve been using Vegas almost as long as it’s been around & this is a pretty accurate summary. The things you missed have mainly been corrected in other comments. One small highlight over other NLEs is if you drag the end of a clip it will loop which invaluable in motion GFX work. Vegas has a bunch of layering and compositing tools (although not quite AE level). Unfortunately in my experience it also often has serious stability issues (although on par with Premiere) when dealing with 3rd party plugins. Also it seems that in recent versions they have dropped support for 3rd party codecs like DXV & HAP which is very disappointing.
Actually, I created a 5 years old TV show that aired in 30 countries with (Sony) Vegas. Once I ported Vegas over to a Mac and ran Bootcamp. I rarely had any problems with stability issues. I told John Rofrano about this if he's still around who also did the same thing and he started to use Final Cut Pro X. What I think is the problem is Windows... I used everything from Avid, Adobe Premiere, Smoke, Davinci, and Final Cut Pro. Vegas is the fastest NLE and can handle almost any file. I used Vegas and After Effect and Combustion at the times. All that was missing is a 3 D special effect package that can handle motion tracking, coloring, and chroma keys. This may be released that will do it for them. I will still have After Effects in my toolbox with Vegas. Also, I’m running on a MacPro using Parallels.
I was going to buy vegas post suite but my last one i had was movie studio 15. Do you happen to know if I get vegas post suite if they will give me vegas pro 18 in the upgrade because it doesn't say when I'm about to buy
7:14 this one ☝️, I do not agree Because with this feature, we can easily review our clips better than anything and fast. But If you want to play the clips, than click enter and it will do like what you said. Normally, I don’t like using enter, Space bar is more flexible for me though
Mate, you can colorgrade the tracks. Click on the little symbol at each video track at the top left corner! No idea what rig you are using, but my render times are considerably quicker at around 25 fps depending on color grading (meaning a 30 fps clip takes about 20% more to render than its playtime. I never got near these astronomical rates. Do you have graphics card rendering enabled?
I know you can color grade tracks. All of the effects worked for that except for the effect that is actually named Color Grade. And I use a good rig. Good enough to where the same video on Davinci Resolve takes about a minute and a half with GPU Rendering, and about 3 minutes with CPU rendering. I have GPU rendering enabled in Vegas, but I'm guessing that there was another setting that was wrong. I'm going to be sending my settings to someone today to see if that's the case.
@@JayLippman, nope - save a color grading setting and you can put it on the entire track. It is a bit weird to handle though, I admit. Thought I was wrong until I tried that variant.
Magix is greedy. I just upgraded to version 17, two months ago, and now they want another $249.00 (US) for version 18. They can go suck it. I'm moving to DiVinci Resolve.
I was a little taken back by the price, to be honest. And by the fact that you have to pay to upgrade. They're not the only ones who do that either. Its an outdated pricing strategy that will hopefully go the way of the dinosaurs soon.
Yeah, 17 was the last version of vegas I'll be using. I switched to resolve a while ago and it is WAY faster if you have a video card like a rtx 2080 ti. My version of 17 struggled with 4k60 h265 playback even with a monster pc w/ 32 core threadripper and rtx card. Resolve was super smooth with the same footage. They had me with the upgrade deals the last few versions where its 199 or 250 to upgrade from your previous version but seems pointless when they are bringing nothing useful to 18 over 17 and the annoying extra time to learn the resolve interface is made up for by the faster render times.
I was actually playing around with it yesterday, and I definitely had something messed up when I made that last video, because my render times were WAY shorter this time.
Vegas has been around for a lot longer than Davimci. There's nothing unprofessional about Vegas. Some people have had complaints about Adobe Premiere. It's not a given that Adobe Premiere is more advanced or more professional. It has more users but that does not necessarily mean that.
To scrub through audio in greater detail increments beyond frame by frame, go to options and uncheck quantize to frames. This helps with timed cuts that you want to time with music and/or exact beats.
Thanks for the tips!
Toan Tran Or set the preferences option “don’t quantise to frames for audio-only edits” which is safer as you may forget to put “quantise to frames” back later!
You did something here that I rarely see (or hear) anymore -- and very much appreciate.
Even though you clearly prefer Resolve, you left me with the impression that you tried Vegas with an open mind. Of course, you made comparisons between Vegas and other NLEs, but it seems to me those comparisons and your comments on them are unbiased.
I like how engaged you are with comments, too. After seeing them you admit that some of your struggles with Vegas simply come from Vegas not being your daily driver. That's quite understandable.
As a Vegas-head myself all the way back from Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video Version 3, thanks for the great review!
thanks Bob! I try to be as unbiased as I can in all my comparisons. I'm a big believer in the idea that there is no "best," only "best for me." My job is to give you the info so you can make more informed decisions. I'm glad you noticed!
6:48 spacebar function is reprogram-able in OPTIONS>PREFERENCES "make spacebar play/pause instead play/stop"
Yeah a few people have said that. Thanks!
This is the first thing to do with Vegas Pro Edit as well as any of the Movie Studio programs.
Quick note. The spacebar setting to make it pause instead of go back is an option you can change in the settings.
BTW, the render times in 19 are MUCH faster than in 18.
Watching this video after cancelling my Adobe Premiere Pro subscription - It was a great piece of software but as someone who doesn't do video editing for a job but as a hobby, I just can't justify spending so much money on it every month. Being a musician it is refreshing to see this software is very DAW influenced, and being able to purchase the software without a money draining subscription service is a breath of fresh air! Great review.
Thanks so much! I'm pretty sure they still have a deal where if you purchase 18, you get 19 for free. 19 comes out in less than a week. I'm actually editing the review video as we speak!
There is a Trimmer Window for cutting before you bring video into timeline...You also can trim in the thumbnail window - set in and out points in either. In Trimmer you can create sub clips.
Yup, a few people have told me about that. Thanks!
Vegas pro user here since may be version 10 or so. I am on the 18 now and still happy with it. It's such a powerful tool, yet easy to use.
i was using it too, maybe since like v8. But recent versions had many bugs and crashes. So many, that i wonder that ppl actually are able to use it. I used to be very angry with last versions by Magix.
@@bitkarek Yeah I upgraded Sony's Version 11 (having had versions right back to Sonic Foundry days) to version 15 and found it virtually unusable and dropped back to version 11 which I still use for HD output!!! Can't say the experience inspired my to pay out for any more upgrades and I have been thinking of exploring daVinci Resolve.
I think the biggest problem is Magix is a bit like Corel - they buy up loads of titles and then are not sure what to do with them. I used to be a big fan of Xara graphics software (again I had software called ArtWorks on an early Risc based machine in the 80s that developed into Xara) and now Magix has that two and it seems to be more of a cash cow than anything else for them. Just my impression!
@@bitkarek my experience is completely opposite, since version 17 ive hardly encountered crashes, and all of them are caused by plugins
When rendering, you should try using GPU rendering. The speed will be insane. let's say no more than 2mins for a 1min video.
Instablaster...
Dude!!! That was epic!!!! What a powerful editing software.. it’s way more like FCPX than I thought... great work!!!!
Apparently there are a lot of features in FCPX that were based on Vegas Pro lol. Thanks dude!
Vegas Pro rock lol , I can't get myself going to another editing programm eventhough I am still on vegas pro 11 so maybe I will upgrade
Didn't Sony still own Vegas Pro when it was version 11?
@@JayLippman yea I dont think Magix owned it until like mid 13 maybe 14
They took it over in 2016
dont upgrade.. vegas has a great UI, but newer versions sucked for me in therms of stability.
I bought 15 through Humble Bundle and just upgraded my render times have gone down by a little bit 5-7 minutes for 12 minute 1440P gaming video
Great review: All the ""Vegas Positives" are correct", and all of your "negatives" are in-fact actually positives, but hidden from view ! :-)
But I don't blame you (I switched from Adobe > Vegas > Resolve >Back to Vegas pro 18.
But here is a correction of what you thought was a negative feature on first inspection: m(As you asked to be corrected):
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1. "Space bar returns to beginning of clip every time" is just a preference setting: change it once and it will always behave like Resolve or adobe. i.e NO NEED TO HIT ALT or any other button every time.
You simply go to "Preferences" and tick a box that says (Space bar will re-start where you stop - or - Space bar returns to beginning of clip, That's it.
(A second way is to hit the 'Pause' instead of 'Stop' with mouse, but space bar is easiest (vegas has the best keyboard short cuts) - first to use surface- input - device options.
2. The effects are exactly how you said it should be, it's just hidden: You can have it just like Resolve (or other NLE) on all three levels by simple click to open the hidden gems. effects can be added to:
a) The whole track
b) at the media bin (Per Camera separately)
c) create a sub-clip (out of a long continuous shoot) then add effect (or many effects) to just that shorter part of a clip.
d) on any one (event)
e) Universal (The entire project), good for final production phase.
It's just hidden on the left side of each track. You simply click (on the 3 lines burger left side of track), select view all and you get the "Fx"' button as well as 'composite', 'Solo', "Mute track', 'Track motion' . that opens up hundreds of effects that are more than comparable to Resolve or other NLE.
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3. Actually, Vegas does have compositing features on each track, But you'd be forgiven for not finding them on your first look. You tube has millions of Tuts on every aspect of Vegas.
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4. Render times: You need to activate GPU acceleration in preferences. I render a two-camera 10 minute video in less than 10 minutes
So, I have to congratulate you on your courageous effort for finding so much in the short time you had to evaluate this ever evolving Giant. (vegas has been evolving
Like you say: It's really easy to learn, but one day is never enough to learn any editing software, thanks for your bravery :-) (subscribed now)
Thank you! I definitely want to spend more time with it!
sadly, i wish sony would support 10bit video :(, now i have to learn davinci.
@@Keerationfilms same.
Their "GPU acceleration" doesn't work with a lot of cards and systems. Check the angry people in the forums. Maybe they'll fix it in version 19 but right now Vegas rendering is a joke.
We are using VegasPro since 2011- the quality is too good, fast editing, more features. Now we have version 18 which is amazing and full of features.👌👍👍Happy Editing.
Nice!
Correction : There is indeed a video trimmer (source monitor alternative) if you want to use it. One way to use it is to right click onthe footage and the first option is "open in trimmer" It's actually more intuitive than premiere's source monitor. But I prefer trimming it on the timeline since as it's more comfortable and accurate once you get used to it. Also you can just select the portion of the footage or audio you want just from the bin if you roughly know how much you want.
Interesting to see what the other half thinks. As a VEGAS tutorial guy, If you have any particular questions, just let me know! The intermediate codec is for editing and archiving, and is not a delivery codec. It's meat to convert things to a lossless inter frame codec for editing. I think your render settings were wrong because it doesn't take that long. The Pricing model has Vegas Movie Studio for people needing the majority of the power at a faction of the cost.
Thanks for the tips! I really hope that my render settings were wrong, because that was the most painful part of the test. I was trying to match the settings I use in Resolve. Are you on Twitter I'd love to DM you about this.
@@JayLippman I'm @techdivereview
@@JayLippman dm'ed you
Thank you for what is probably the most useful review of this software that I've read.
No problem! Thanks for watching!
OMGGG IT WORKED!!! I finally got this app and I’ve waited for soooo long! It’s the only tutorial that actually worked, thanks so much
4:45 I guess he he missed the "trimmer" monitor
Guess so!
To be fair the trimmer monitor used to be in the ui by default, so impossible to miss, but hasn't been since Vegas 16 (I think).
One thing that you can do regarding Color Grading on a track level:
1-Color Grade whatever clip.
2-Then go to the FX chain and select the Color Grade FX.
3-In the preset drop down menu, type in a name and hit the save button.
Now if you go to the Track FX, you can choose Color Grade, then simply select that preset that you just made and that's the entire track colored for you.
Great idea! Thanks!
VEGAS Pro workflow is just crazy easier compared to other NLE
It is pretty easy!
I´m new to editing, and I´ve installed pretty much every software under the sun over the last months. And I haven´t found anything "better" than Vegas, in the sense that it does a zillion things (most of which I don´t even need), but in a much more intutive, quicker way than Premiere does. It takes far less resources than Premiere, and pretty much everything, from a simple transition to the very useful motion tracking (something that is not even possible with the latest version of Premiere, if I´m not mistaken) seems so much quicker and easier to me.
As a non-pro, I just want my software to have room for my own improvement, but without spending a lifetime in front of my computer, since it´s simply a hobby. And for that combo, I simply haven´t found anything better on the market.
Anyway, just my 2 cents. Best.
You tried DaVinci Resolve? I was a Vegas user from it's Sonic Foundry days and still have VP 16 on my PC. I tried the free version of Resolve and was blown away. Paid for the full version and love it.
@@crossfithammerschmiede I did, and although I didn´t spend much time with it, it does look pretty good to me, although much closer to Premiere editing style than Vegas.
I´ve spent most of my time with Vegas and already learnt how to do most things I need in a very simple way, although I can´t get over how a few other theoretically simple things are so annoying/complicated to do.
It is undeniable, though, that DaVinci has gained a lot of traction lately, and there are many more tutorials, courses, etc., than for Vegas, which used to be much more popular in Sony times than it is today, I´m afraid.
For the moment, I´m happy enough with it... :)
I'm still a fan of Vegas and couldn't ever see myself using another program until DR came along. That said, I'm comparing it with v. 16, so it's not really a fair comparison. If I have to do quick audio edits, Vegas is still my go-to, DR is clunky in this respect.
greatest feature you can place 10 clips one on top of another in the same tract and they wont delete the underlying clips. This makes it extremely fast to edit cause I don't need to care about ensuring every clip is in different track and that they don't accidentally overlap
That is a pretty cool feature for sure.
To use spacebar as play and pause you simply go to preferences and turn that option on. also you can color grade entire tracks, clips or entire projects. All your “issues” are a lack of how to use the GUI. Vegas is without a doubt the easiest editing platform next to imovie..
I didn't know about the spacebar setting. I did know that you can color grade at all of the levels. I say that in the video. But the actual Color Grade effect, the one that brings up the wheels and curves, would not work at anything but the individual clip level.
Thank you for your complete and comprehensive training. Very good!
After you do an automatic crossfade, you can change the fade types in case you want one clip to fade out faster or shower than the other one is fading in. Nice!
4:53 There is Trimmer option that you can use that is basically that in and out option that you want. Easiest way I found that it can be used it with mouse make selection on the trimmer drag and drop in to the sequence...
I'll have to look into that!
Vegas post has a audio editor built into Vegas pro that allows you to scrub audio frame by frame.
i love the way you express yourself, how precise and direct you explain things so that they are easy to understand :) ♥ Thanks
There a preference option to change spacebar to play/pause. Also to go frame by frame with audio/video there are hot keys and UI buttons you can add.
Great review! I'm a long time Vegas user that is reticent to spend that kind of money on a casual hobby, and this gave me an idea of how much of a learning curve it would be to switch to Resolve.
I've been using Vegas for about 8 years all through the various upgrades. During that time I would sometimes use Resolve for color grading. I have done some fairly complex and long videos using many tracks and cameras in Vegas. I guess the biggest thing is that I know the software and so it's hard to switch to something else. Resolve does do some amazing things, but I usually don't need those things.
Fair enough! It's all about finding the right tool for you!
Dont forget to mention how audio and video tracks can be moved around freely. Big plus
That's true!
@@JayLippman I cant stand the Video Section and Audio Section of all other NLEs. Audio track bundled together and Video likewise. I like how Vegas lets you move tracks around wherever you want.
I edit in Vegas 18 and for a 10 minute 4K video to render takes 15 minutes.. I don't know what you are doing wrong.
Neither do I. I need to find time to get into it again.
As I remember you can add fx to the whole track or project, there should be the fx button on track (left side where volume and other settings) and somewhere near preview screen (for all project).
There is, but that one Color Grade effect doesn't work on anything but the clip. All the others can be done on the clip, track, or source file.
@@JayLippman Yeah, too bad. Because on a given track I have a specific camera clips (and probably many of them). Oh well, stick with the legacy tools and effects. They have worked well for many years.
Hey Jay,, Thanks for the overview of the new software. I was a Vegas user many years ago. It's interesting to see where it is at now! Visually it looks very much the same... with quite a few updates and new features!
From what I hear Magix has done a ton of upgrading since they bought Vegas from Sony. Thanks for watching William!
10:45 I'm not sure if it's the same in pro 18 as it is in pro 13, but in 13 you can add effects plugins like color grading to the entire project (Called video output FX) by dragging the effect to your preview window. And alternately, you can also add effects to video tracks so all videos on that track get the effect, you just drag drop the FX to the track.
Yeah you can do that with most of the FX. The only one I had trouble with was the color grading effect.
Hi. Thanks for your VEGAS Pro 18 review and test. Best a VEGAS Team member
You're welcome! Glad you liked it!
The rendering has major problems in 18. Check the forums. It sucks big time. Went back to version 16. Magix has major work to do.
so it crashes again and such?
@@bitkarek It's slow as all hell. Switched to Davinci. Problem solved. At least they know how to take advantage of graphics cards.
@@RogerBrenon Actually, Vegas has the fastest GPU-acceleration based rendering time of most editing softwares like premiere or resolve on v16, 17 and 18
@@GbasireYTP uhhhh, NO. Not by a long shot.
@@RogerBrenon tests have been made on several computers with different GPUs, and the result was that rendering time of Vegas Pro isn't faster when only using CPU, but is faster when using GPU acceleration.
Good video,, not sure if you did it, but to speed up render times (dramatically), click File > Properties > Video > Resample Mode: Disable resample. I used Vegas Pro 18 on all of the 170+ 20 min 4k 60fps videos on my channel and my render times are usually less than 35min with a 1080ti and Ryzen 3900x. Hope this helps.
I did not do that! You're the first person who gave me an answer other than "turn GPU accelaration on (which I already had done)" Thanks!
Hey brother no problem, like I always say, content creators need to look out for each other no matter how big or small they are or what genre they represent. I just hope it helped. Take care and good luck.
hey man, would you recommend using the "allow legacy gpu rendering" setting under depreceated features?
@@pabloescobar7139 What GPU are you running?
@@GarzaGaming using a hp laptop that has a amd APU.
Thanks for giving Vegas a shot! haha I've been using it almost since it's inception and it's come a long way. The only thing I haven't run into for years is those long render times. :) I run multi 4K tracks with tons of effects, titles, etc and still get almost real time rendering. : ) If it's incredibly intense i might get double or triple the time, but nothing unusually high. Other than that though, appreciate the honest review! I've tried other NLEs and just can't get myself to switch!
Thanks for watching! Yeah I'm thinking i had a setting screwed up or something. I need to try it out again.
what specs pc are u using to edit your 4k video and are you using proxies??
I usually have 2x rendering times even when I'm rendering to 1080. I would love to hear more about your setup. I have a laptop 3070 card with 8 core 16 thread 5800 processor
Using a MSI Trident Gaming desktop maxed out :)
Amazing work on the explanation, trying it definitely
hey man Im not sure someone mentioned this already but you can apply effects to full tracks, all you have to do is drag the effect not on your clips individually but rather on your track
Yes I know. It was just that one effect that I couldn't apply to an entire track. The one actually called Color Grading
Those render times sound insane.
Vegas Pro can do some compositing, it's just not as advanced as most dedicated compositors. You can for example: rotoscope, color key, position in 3D space, and change blending modes.
Good Video :-) Vegas does have a Trimmer window for people who prefer to carefully mark their clips in and out before adding to the timeline (like I do). Go to Options - Preferences and under the General tab, click the box that reads 'Double Click on media files loads into Trimmer instead of tracks'. By default, Vegas switches between the Video Preview and Trimmer windows, but you can have both windows on screen together if you prefer. To do that go to View - Windows Layouts - Vegas 14 default. Also under the Options - Preferences - General tab is a box that reads 'Make spacebar Play/Pause instead of Play/Stop'. Makes life much easier for people used to editing in Premiere.
Be careful of unticking 'Quantize to Frames'. This is a great option for fine syncing of audio, especially audio recorded on an external recorder. However, if you move your videos around with this unticked, you can end up displacing your videos by half or quarter (or less) of a frame, which is just really weird to deal with in an edit.
Note that when dragging your first clip on to the timeline, Vegas does conform your project to the correct frame rate, but tends to default to an 8 bit colour space. Not something I'd recommend for fine colour grading and especially not for anyone editing 10 bit footage. If you go to File - Properties you can alter your Project settings there, including switching to a 32 bit floating point colour space.
Not sure why your rendering times are so long. I'm currently on Vegas Pro 17 and have never found render times to be overly long. Maybe not as fast as I get from Edius (I don't have Premiere), but not slow by any means.
Hey awesome! Thanks for the tips!
Can you tell me difference between vegas pro edit, vegas pro, and vegas pro suite?
I started in this medium making graphics and combining them with sound and exporting them in Sony Vegas, because I used to do the Andrew Krmaer´s tutorials for After Effects and he used to recomend it years ago...I think that until the 9th version I got to use it. Then I went to Premiere and lost track of it, but I remember it was powerful and performed very well on low-capacity machines. Now that I'm between Premiere and Resolve (I use both for different types of projects) I see that Vegas is starting to develop again and it gives me a certain nostalgia. In fact, it was in Vegas that I used FilmConvert for the first time...and even Colorista was availbale for Vegas...I don't know if it still works. Excellent video.
Thanks so much man! I really appreciate it!
It needs much more and modern transitions (hyper zoom in/out etc those barn doors are older than my grandma. Second and a big pet peeve when you use the markers and then edit the clip the markers don't move with the edited clip so you have to reorganize ALL the markers if you edit one section of the timeline and use auto ripple to close the gaps, the markers don't move in sync. Render times need to improve yes, crashes on more than one timeline needs to improve but latest version of 18 is much better than previous versions that's for sure. I'm excited to see hat Vegas Pro 19 and 20 will bring.
You can make Space Bar the Play + Pause button in Preferences, it's the first thing I do when I install in on a new PC, I agree with you it makes no sense having it as 2 separate buttons.
To go through frame by frame zoom in using mousewheel and press left or right arrow on keyboard
Shuttle Pro is your best friend for Vegas.
You can add fx to video channel - so all clips on that channel will be effected.
Yes, but not the effect specifically called "Color Grading"
All i know is that if you nest your entire project you will be able to apply the whole color grading effect to all the clips at the same time... That will also prerender your clip into one clip so do that only after applying all the other effects
Same old problems with this latest version as previous versions such as "disable resample" when importing video.
You do get the option to disable it in project settings but it only applies to the current video you are working on regardless if you tick the " start all projects with these settings" box, soon as you close the video you are working on and import a new video the software will resample it.
Still one of the major flaws in this software.
Another being the unnecessary rendering when burning to Bluray disc when video is already complient with Bluray specifications, always choose Adobe Encore for burning, it only transcodes non complient files.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing your input!
You can now permanently disable resample in the properties, that works for all imported clips and new projects.
@@FightCollective Yes that's true, I have Vegas 18 and I have now found that option, thanks.
As for me, everything is simple and clear. Thank you very much
A lot of the timeline things function is like my DAW reaper, one of my favorite pieces of software of all time. I'm gonna try vegas for sure.
Vegas actually started out as a DAW.
Thanks for the video! I was not sure to get that software in a "Humble Bundle" bundle and 20 min render for a 1 min video is baaaaad, so thank you again to have tested this software for us :)
Yeah, on Davinci Resolve a 10 minute video only renders like 1 minute for me.
Yes you can do color grading on the track level too ,you add the track color effects where are you turn of and on and mute the video track at the beginning of the track. Track stuff is done on track and clip stuff is done on clips. Simple.
There is an actual effect in 18 called color grading. You can't add that particular effect to a track. All the other color grading tools you can, but not this one. I just confirmed it with the developers last week when we were planning another video.
Hi, I came from Brazil and this is perfect, I'm using after very easy, thanks!
I render 1:30 4k videos in under 3 mins...There's definitely something going on in your settings!!!
Yeah I'm not sure what happened. I haven't been able to recreate the issue since.
Excellent and compact review, thank you!
No problem! Thanks so much for watching!
Yes please do a video on VEGAS Post.
As a VEGAS Pro user I would love to see if it's actually worth upgrading.
Already filmed! Coming soon!
Vegas will be perfect if the GPU acceleration is maximum in percentage usage when previewing and rendering , pray for 100% CPU :)
Once they get those Render times under control, it will be great!
You can set the space bar to pause and stay there instead of jumping to the beginning. You can set Vegas to start with different default settings (instead of 30fps) or set the project with the settings conforming to the first clip you add. You can scroll with audio. Color grading sucks and has bugs, at least in older version. For example I am adding brightness and contrast filter and I see changes in the waveform before actually making changes to settings. I am a Vegas user since version 3 and it was always the easiest to use but not good enough in color correction/grading...
I didn't know about reprogramming the Spacebar. Thats awesome! And yeah, I ended up changing the default project settings. I cant speak to older versions, but I didn't really notice any bugs in the colorgrading. I was able to do basically everything I needed to do. Thanks for watching!
@@JayLippman I do watch your videos. Really well put together. The option for the space bar is something like "make space bar play/pause instead of play/stop". I'm not on my PC right now. You're also right on the rendering comments, sadly. Slow and not the best results at the end...
Love ya vids!! Are you able to edit 6k blackmagic footage ?
you could actually fix the play the timeline then stops when the video begins so you have to open preferences then you should see a checkbox list of features you will see make space and f12 key to play the timeline or the preview I used to hate that annoying thing but you could fix it
Yeah I figured that out shortly after making this video. I'll have it fixed in VP19 for sure.
That function of asking to change the frame rate of a video dragged into the timeline to the project's is also standard in Filmora.
Nice!
Vegas Post review please 😁.
It's coming!
Can someone tell me in Vegas say you work on a project. All the project files are in one folder. But you have a second drive where you keep your standard sound fx and overlays and logos etc. So few assets are coming in from that 2nd drive. Now is there a way to save the project so that it will bring those assets from that HDD into this folder permanently ? I know there's a project archive save feature. But that will trim everything and put it into one folder which is good during project completion. What if im still working on the project. Now dont say manually copy each asset (mp3/png overlay/video overlay) and put them into this folder, that will be cumbersome to do every day as im working thru the project.
And yes you are able to add the color grading to an entire track or the entire project. The default setting you can’t visually see the Add Effects button.
Good to know!
Don't you add this to the FX tab at the beginning of each time line? That adds effects to the entire track.
HitManHey Correct you add it to the entire track. If you wanted it to turn off and turn on at different points you would have to use the key frames
Nice video. I too started in DAW'S before hitting NLE's. Vegas has a bug with audio sync in 18 that isn't in 17. It's an absolute dog at syncing but 17 does the same job, quicker and much more accurate. Well, more accurately, it actually syncs!
Good to know!
There are other folks who have made videos showing that video render time is faster in Vegas Pro than the other nles. It may have something to do with the graphics Hardware using or something else on your computer.
Yeah I'm thinking I had a setting wrong. I thought I had GPU acceleration on, but maybe I didn't.
Jay, quick, question - is it possible with Vegas's (new?) tracking to say, track a vlogging video with a person walking (singular point on say their belt or logo on shirt) and then use that track to pan in X and Y to keep that point _CENTERED_ in the frame vs manually setting transform keyframes in the Event Pan/Crop dialog?
It gets tedious, and at times is very time consuming in that dialog manually transforming clips in X/Y!
Tracking a point, and then using that track to keep that point mostly centered within the view would be awesome. (I'm taking 1920x1080 videos and fitting them into 1080 x 1080 renders.)
I'm not sure. I didnt really end up testing the tracking. Might be good for a follow up video.
@@JayLippman Hi, Jay - I've just be out of the loop with Vegas for so long, it was more of a generic question about if Vegas's tracking can do what I mentioned, vs just if the new tracker could do it.
It's a common problem I have w/these "square 1080" videos; keeping the subject from a larger frame, centered / focused within the 1080 x 1080 - lots of manual x/y transforming and at times, also zooming...
Thanks for your time!
Your are right if the color grading plugin was able to be put on the master
if you want the colourgrade on the entire track je have to click on the left of the track and click on fx there and then everything you do will aplly on the entire track line
I'm talking about a specific plugin thats actually called Color Grade. Its the only one that can't be used at the track level. I don't think they have that it VP 11
@@JayLippman maybe but still all pluginns etc can be inserted that way for the whole track level
Not this one! I was able to get all the others to work except for that one.
When using the plugin color grade, make your adjustments on one clip then export those adjustments as a LUT. Clear the adjustments made on that clip. Drag the LUT plugin to the time line and load the LUT that was created, this applies your color corrections to all clips on the time line. You can then make small adjustments for each clip using the color grade if needed without effecting the entire clip
humble bundle has this for $25 with sound forge, music maker and samplitude bundled right now
I despise Vegas Video. It's fun to use while it works, but it crashes nearly every time I use it. The worst part? It wants to show me an ad when it does. Adobe never crashes on my system.
you have been a teacher for me ! (India) and just used your particle dissolve effect in my last video !
Thanks so much!
@@JayLippman Thanks to you !!
Good video. You can actually select an option right in general preferences that makes the play/pause work like it does in other NLEs. Also idk what's up with your render times. Maybe it wasn't using your GPU for some reason? I render vids in about the same amount of time as the length of the video. Also I remember trying Resolve and I found out the hard way you can't change timeline settings after finishing your video. You have to get them right at the beginning. Vegas lets you change them whenever.
Yeah I have to re-check my GPU settings. Davinci Resolve has definitely had an update since you tried it! You can change timeline settings whenever you want now! And you can have multiple licenses, each with different settings.
@@JayLippman Nice! thanks for letting me know about the timeline thing! Sounds like I'll have to try it out again soon.
Great review. I use it's sister NLE (Magix Video Pro X) and love it. Put me on a whole new level. Thanks for doing this review.
I was reading about that! Maybe I'll try to get my hands on a copy and review it.
*Adopted* sister (different parents) ;)
Can i ask pls what reminds time of Free Trial Edition
Tutorial suggestion: Editing in Vegas Pro, exporting out with EDL or otherwise for color grading and rendering in Resolve. Best of all workflows?
Maybe! I'll test it out!
How is that the best of all workflows? What exactly does Vegas offer that you can't do in Resolve?
On sale in humble bundle... Is this software worth getting for video editing though? 🤔
THANK U for the video dude helps alot but i got one question is the engine for vegas better then before or the same .. like if 4 video played together would it start to lag
I didn't have any issues, but 18 is the first version I've ever used, so I don't really have a way to compare.
Graide Color Curves, plugin for you
Have You ever seen the Movies Transformers? any of them? those were made totally on a Linux Operating system Using Kdenlive and Blender
I use movie studio which is just a smaller version of this, with a few less features. it uses the same exact software and even on really poor hardware it can take me 2 minutes to render a 1-minute video. I have no idea how it's taking you 40 minutes to render that
How good Vegas is also has something to do with the plugins you are using. There are plugins that you can use without it there are virtually the same some of the plugins that are used in the Adobe Premiere with the exception of its in the different format. For instance Boris effects. And newbluefx also adds a lot of great functionality to it. When you have these tools it gives you all almost the same things you can do in the Adobie products. Oh yeah. Vegas close to it if they brings it really close to what you can do with it. Also element 3D is supposed to work with hitfilm Pro now. And the hitfilm pro functionality will probably make its way into the next version of Vegas post I believe. But I'm not sure on that. I'm hoping it will. My opinion is at the video and audio editing capabilities moving and tracks splitting them putting it together works better in Vegas.
I mean, this is true of any NLE. But the plugins that you can add to an NLE aren't a feature of that NLE. The fact that it supports plugins could be considered a feature, but not the Plugin itself. I was only looking at the features and tools that were in the native app. You don't need to defend Vegas to me. It's a great tool. It's not the one I like the best, but I can absolutely see why people like it better than others.
Everything is good but when right time u render vegas pro is super slow comparison to all other nle like edius .primerpro
What kind of a computer were you using that took it so long to render a 1080p file? Something sounds seriously wrong with the software if it takes 20 to 40 minutes to render a minute and a half worth of video.
Yeah after I published this video, if I remember correctly, it was suggested to me that I might not have had GPU acceleration turned on. But that was 2 versions ago. It's been awhile since I did this video.
Many people have been disappointed by "Vegas" pro 18. I've watched videos about that.
Actually version 18 is no longer VEGAS, it's MAGIX. I'm keeping my two old versions 17 & 11. thanks.
I’ve been using Vegas almost as long as it’s been around & this is a pretty accurate summary. The things you missed have mainly been corrected in other comments.
One small highlight over other NLEs is if you drag the end of a clip it will loop which invaluable in motion GFX work. Vegas has a bunch of layering and compositing tools (although not quite AE level).
Unfortunately in my experience it also often has serious stability issues (although on par with Premiere) when dealing with 3rd party plugins.
Also it seems that in recent versions they have dropped support for 3rd party codecs like DXV & HAP which is very disappointing.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Actually, I created a 5 years old TV show that aired in 30 countries with (Sony) Vegas. Once I ported Vegas over to a Mac and ran Bootcamp.
I rarely had any problems with stability issues. I told John Rofrano about this if he's still around who also did the same thing and he started to use Final Cut Pro X.
What I think is the problem is Windows... I used everything from Avid, Adobe Premiere, Smoke, Davinci, and Final Cut Pro.
Vegas is the fastest NLE and can handle almost any file. I used Vegas and After Effect and Combustion at the times.
All that was missing is a 3 D special effect package that can handle motion tracking, coloring, and chroma keys.
This may be released that will do it for them. I will still have After Effects in my toolbox with Vegas.
Also, I’m running on a MacPro using Parallels.
Ive used Sony Vegas for years and one let down thats keeps on showing every version is the lack of ability to color grade.
I was going to buy vegas post suite but my last one i had was movie studio 15. Do you happen to know if I get vegas post suite if they will give me vegas pro 18 in the upgrade because it doesn't say when I'm about to buy
I used to be a Vegas pro user
7:14 this one ☝️, I do not agree
Because with this feature, we can easily review our clips better than anything and fast.
But If you want to play the clips, than click enter and it will do like what you said.
Normally, I don’t like using enter, Space bar is more flexible for me though
Mate, you can colorgrade the tracks. Click on the little symbol at each video track at the top left corner! No idea what rig you are using, but my render times are considerably quicker at around 25 fps depending on color grading (meaning a 30 fps clip takes about 20% more to render than its playtime. I never got near these astronomical rates. Do you have graphics card rendering enabled?
I know you can color grade tracks. All of the effects worked for that except for the effect that is actually named Color Grade. And I use a good rig. Good enough to where the same video on Davinci Resolve takes about a minute and a half with GPU Rendering, and about 3 minutes with CPU rendering. I have GPU rendering enabled in Vegas, but I'm guessing that there was another setting that was wrong. I'm going to be sending my settings to someone today to see if that's the case.
@@JayLippman, nope - save a color grading setting and you can put it on the entire track. It is a bit weird to handle though, I admit. Thought I was wrong until I tried that variant.
Magix is greedy. I just upgraded to version 17, two months ago, and now they want another $249.00 (US) for version 18. They can go suck it. I'm moving to DiVinci Resolve.
I was a little taken back by the price, to be honest. And by the fact that you have to pay to upgrade. They're not the only ones who do that either. Its an outdated pricing strategy that will hopefully go the way of the dinosaurs soon.
Been on Vegas for years, it’s a cash cow. I’ve moved to resolve now, no regrets and far fewer crashes..
Yeah, 17 was the last version of vegas I'll be using. I switched to resolve a while ago and it is WAY faster if you have a video card like a rtx 2080 ti. My version of 17 struggled with 4k60 h265 playback even with a monster pc w/ 32 core threadripper and rtx card. Resolve was super smooth with the same footage. They had me with the upgrade deals the last few versions where its 199 or 250 to upgrade from your previous version but seems pointless when they are bringing nothing useful to 18 over 17 and the annoying extra time to learn the resolve interface is made up for by the faster render times.
I do not see any free trial for Vegas did not the nix it. ?
Did you choose GPU acceleration while exporting the video? It only took me a few seconds to render a one minute video.
I was actually playing around with it yesterday, and I definitely had something messed up when I made that last video, because my render times were WAY shorter this time.
how long is the free trial?
Vegas has been around for a lot longer than Davimci. There's nothing unprofessional about Vegas. Some people have had complaints about Adobe Premiere. It's not a given that Adobe Premiere is more advanced or more professional. It has more users but that does not necessarily mean that.
I don't think I ever said Vegas was unprofessional. It definitely has the tools you need to create professional videos.