The First Amendment wasn't constructed to only safeguard speech that you agree with. There would hardly be a need for a constitutional protection if that were the case. The intent of the First Amendment is to provide protection to speech you *don't* agree with.
@@jeffersonianideal Well, I’m part of the masses. You too. (260 million Americans over the age of 18=legal adults). I believe the real issue is not trans or gay or white or black or rich or poor or man or woman gun or no gun. It’s how we are “allowed” to discuss those issues. (Nearly) miraculously we got the 1st Amendment. I think it’s no mistake it’s 1st. (I also believe it’s no mistake that the 2nd amendment says what it does. Lol)
I don’t know why I’m just finding this account, but it’s incredibly encouraging to see civil discourse from opposing political views on college campuses. This is very important work Peter is doing. Bravo!
I have no idea where this woman leans on the political spectrum. And I don't care. She is so poised, open minded, genuinely earnest and engages with integrity. This generation, despite the massive politicization their generation has been subjected to, is going to be alright. I will also admit, I was knee-jerk and expected Peter's project to be self-righteous or trivial. It is not. It is vitally important and Peter is doing such freaking important work.
DISAGREE. She is a typical College student who thinks she knows more than she really does. On the POSITIVE SIDE, at least she seems to agree with OPEN DEBATE and Dialogue.
Cultural differences specifically in speech eg consideration to allow full expression without interruption are obvious in this type of discussion. There is a personal aspect that inhibits my full participation; it is this woman's high pitch voice. It is a personal issue, because unfortunately her valid points are missed due to volume.
@drcurioustube ikr? They really need to start impressing upon these kids that HOW you speak is as important as what you say. I'd the way you speak turns people odd you are wasting your breath
The first dude - he expressed himself well, but if he thinks this isn't a problem outside of the internet, he's not paying enough attention to what's going on IRL.
For real, DEI is well entrenched into corporate America. Pedagogy has been captured long ago. This kid needs to ask himself where all of these far-left college students got these ideas.
I am curious what the "BLM guy" might identify as far-right. I heard "Trump voter." That was about the extent of it. I got the impression that anyone who falls to the right of his very narrow personal belief structure would be considered "far-right" to him.
Watching this video and participating in the chat, I really have a felt sense of what an uphill battle it is to get people to speak across the divide. Thank you Dr. Boghossian. May this be just the start.
The young man, 27 minutes in or so, was particularly impressive. That was quite a thoughtful and eloquent set of comments. I have no idea who he is, but that young man is going places. Mark my words. We are going to be seeing and hearing from him again in the future. He is a uniquely gifted individual, in my opinion.
@@Fee_V Thank you so much. They are both on my radar now. These young people are our future, and we need to nurture and protect them and promote them as best as we can. Not that they need my help; they are so gifted they will succeed no matter what. But I am glad to assist in any way that I can. We need to give positive reinforcement when we come across these outstanding young individuals.
It's strange to live in a free society where disagreement with another person's point of view makes me a person of intolerance. I perceive myself as person that doesn't believe conformity is necessarily a good value to hold and it seems a value held fast by the digital platform generation. This was a very interesting eye opener. It's nice to hear what students are thinking and experiencing while attending University. My thanks to everyone there.
I'm 33 and feel like I was part of the last generation before the ubiquity if social media. I also think the societal change is so freaking obvious, it's crazy.
Conformity is a pro-social human instinct, humans are naturally inclined to go along to get along, since assimilation is the price for entry into society. The thing you can change is what is to be conformed to. Non-conformity when framed as a value is anti-social.
Is it weird I got emotional at the end hearing everyone describe their experience. It's heartwarmer to see people at least having a conversation. We have been missing that.
Yes.. it was nice and liberating to see all these brainwashed students idolize democracy and the left view when there is no pushback. I am sure that the minute that a student with a centric view or even a bit of a right view shares their experience.. they would all go into mob mentality and close the event up - probably skip class over ‘mental anguish’. Very fragile brainwashed minds. It is sad.
@@jrod3868 I felt like the one kid had the far left mentality that despised everyone else but he seemed to be paying attention when others were explining how they felt more likely to be cancelled and that they couldn't share their opinions. I have no doubt you're correct when he is with a couple people and a center to right point of view arises the mob mentality will surface but this seemed prodective, which I think means that if someone took the time to do this repetitively, a line of communication could start to solidify. Rome wasnt built in a day.
@@jimscalm3231 I agree about having dialogue. However, shared opinions in an echo chamber is not productive when everyone just nods their heads. Hopefully you are right, and thing auto correct themselves by dialogue. Academia and the media are incredible at brainwashing minds. For example, my cousin tells me her 12 year old daughter told her many of her friends, about 5 of them, 'think' they may be trans. 12 year olds! The level of confusion done to young kids is mind blowing. It's like they are hitting their minds young even before reaching university.
Lenny Bruce wasn't a philosopher. He was a paid clown. The elevation of entertainers and comedians to politicians is part of the dumbing down of the American mind. Americans used to elect war heroes and veterans who understood the consequences of their most consequential decisions. Now they elect Hollywood actors and reality TV stars who have the fingers on the button. No wonder they're outfoxed by China and Russia.
@@soulscanner66 Did I describe Lenny Bruce in any particular manner, or did I merely publish one of his attributable quotations? Your logical fallacy demonstrates that projection is not something that only occurs in the back of a movie theater.
That room should have been full, many more people should have heard this and shared their thoughts and ideas. Great dialogue and debates, healthy and mature, far more of this is needed in universities but outside of campuses also
@@UncommonSense1776 unfortunately I think that's the case. Real shame, these sorts of group discussions should be very well attended especially with guest speakers of high calibre
I commend Peter for his patience and willingness to listen to the student participants' indiscriminate, uncritical and self-absorbed monologues. He appears to listen intently, honestly seeking to understand the their perspective, reasoning and/or position(s) in the hopes that the conversation will be rewarded with reciprocity. His restraint is admirable, considering that the temptation to argue seems irresistible, given the reflexive and underexamined responses to these topics. Peter seems to express appreciation (for the discourse, the student's time and sharing their opinions) which strikes a sharp contrast to the students' self-assured, intolerant and arrogance. Peter - thank you for your toil. Although it may not be immediately fruitful, your efforts will provide an opportunity for a few students to question, examine their presuppositions and maybe form more nuanced opinions based on facts rather than fiction. BTW - great work to get John Woods Jr. to speak - his points were very well spoken.
The gentleman who gave a rebuttal to Christian (BLM t-shirt) was so charitable and effective! Great job! Dr. Boghossian, thank you for hosting these vital conversations.
Too charitable by half. Christian asserted, without evidence, that the far right is actively trying to end liberal democracy in the US. He also neglected to provide any evidence for his '5% are far left and 10s of millions are far right' claim. He could have been more persuasive had he identified who the far right is. His spectrum ran from pink haired communists to centrists. One could infer that he believes anyone right of center is far right.
That very last comment really answered two questions, 'do students feel like they must self-censor?' and 'which students feel like they must self-censor?', so perfectly.
I’m so glad I found you because I love having and listening to these conversations because it’s needed in this climate. I believe without these conversations, it furthers division. Great job!
every time I've heard someone say "the don't say gay bill" I ask them if they've read the full bill and 9 out of 10 times the answer is no. the few times someone says yes I ask follow up questions. I hate people calling the bill that.
Well it is a total misrepresentation of the bill. The bill doesn't even mention anything about gay in it. It says teachers are not to discuss matters of sexuality with kindergardners for example. Teachers are failing to even teach the basic school subjects now they want to add "The teacher's sex life 101" to the curriculum. I NEVER want a teacher that I don't even know talking about sexual topics with my 5 year old. The bill is entirely reasonable. Who wants a teacher talking to their 5 year old about their sex life without even informing you what they are doing? IMO that is disgusting and wrong.
@@gametime2473 It doesn't define sexuality. Is a male teacher kissing his husband hello (like husbands and wives do when they greet each other after work) a discussion of sexuality? Way, way too broad a law. There's no need for it, because teachers are trained to keep any discussion of sex age-appropriate, especially in protestant countries like the U.S. The law is just a dogwhistle to the anti-gay vote.
@@gametime2473 You don’t need a bill to literally say “gay” for it to have a targeted effect on gays. It’s the same way that you can target Blacks without using the word “Black” (as many Southern states did historically to discriminate without technically violating the 14th Amendment. If you honestly believe that kindergarten teachers are providing sex education to kindergarteners, I would encourage you to show evidence of this. (I would agree with you that it would be travesty if it were actually happening, but it simply isn’t.) In truth, the bill uses this language as an effective means to prevent discussion or mention of sexual minorities. Another major issue is that it requires the schools to tell parents if the child seeks out mental health. In many cases, students want to seek mental help but their parents either because they are abusers or they don’t believe in mental therapy or they want to talk about something their parents might not understand. The law creates a chilling effect here.
@@oremfrien There are dozens of teacher uploaded clips doing some crazy sketchy stuff. I'm sure there are a ton at your fingertips. Libs of Tiktok has tons of videos, just by mirroring teacher uploaded tiktoks. I don't want some creepy teacher telling my elementary school student anything about sexual topics PERIOD. Here is a good video about the root cause of school degradation in America. I learned a lot. ua-cam.com/video/0hybqg81n-M/v-deo.html
I agree. If one isn't challenging their beliefs then they really don't know what they believe. The only way to find the "truth" is to constantly challenge it.
Mentioning the far right, while explaining that the spread of far left ideas on campuses is irrelevant, is an example of whataboutism. He explained that that the political distribution is not the same outside campuses so basically campuses have no impact. Mentioning the far right is like saying "we have another problem, why are we focusing on campuses".
@@Spacecadet_-mo6ew Why do you attack and demonize targets of Republican hate personally? Why do you refuse to discuss and debate the specific ideas they propose? Shouldn't this be about ideas, not name-calling?
@@Spacecadet_-mo6ew It is name calling becaue you're not telling me which of her policy ideas are socialist and why you are against them. I think that's because you don't know and are more intersted in name-calling than actually looking at what she supports.
@@soulscanner66 I don't believe that to be the case. The Far-Left has a cultural megaphone, giving them the ability to seed larger change over time. The Far-Right has a larger electorate which is a blunter instrument and more momentarily effective. Both are dangerous, but differently so.
8:16 Interesting that 'liberal values' is misunderstood by this young woman. The phrase isn't really on her radar, though once explained she's not unfamiliar with the concept. It's great that The Moderator's goal is to allow comfort and discomfort and bring people together. This is a fantastic idea that this generation needs more of.
That's because our knowledge and meaning of words has changed since the 18th century. Liberalism has changed since then. What was called liberal in 1850 would now be called libertarian.
No. Liberalism has a specific meaning. One that differs from libertarian. Most people that call themselves "liberals" have left behind both libertarian and liberal ideals for authoritarian and collectivist beliefs. These people are specifically NOT liberals. Nothing that they believe is liberal. They believe in leftism. Not liberalism. Just because they colloquially use the term "liberal" to define themselves, does not mean the term "liberal" has made a linguistic definitional change in the same vain as your historical examples. These are not comparable situations.
I wanted someone to ask him that as well. I guarantee he doesn’t have a true understanding of what ‘far right’ actually means . As for the far right having control ? That’s ridiculous
I find the work Peter is doing is incredibly important. As well as the gentleman who shared rebutting opinions after the BLM gentleman. This kind of discourse and critical thinking is what we need as a society.
He’s south Asian. I’m Indian in UK I know American south Asians come from well off families in the US they have moderate views so it’s no surprise he’s delusional
I'm glad Peter is doing this. Instituting the dialog is most important but was there real diversity in attendance? The USC crowd felt like it was operating on a basis of assumptions (particularly BLM guy who was glaringly partisan) that are clearly, demonstrably untrue and then super shocked to not see push back on those assumptions. Felt like USC thinks they have conservatives on campus (although an acknowledged slim minority) and in reality they just have some not-leftists. Would love to see a more conservative presence in the conversation and then observe the potential mind-melt. Developing respectful dialog with an actual conservative I suspect would still be a challenge. BLM guy arguing that there is no censorship on campus is kind of meaningless.
@@anthonyl9126 They were deliberately starved to death. Anyway in the hierarchy of oppression every group is trying to outvictim and outgrievace the next, in a mighty mish mash of blood guilt and self righteousness. I am not American so maybe that makes a difference.
She knows nothing about anything she regurgitates and spews out what she hears depending on who she’s talking to, her opinion is like water it will change depending on what is put up against it. She engages in up speak and the very liberal debating strategies of saying things like thank you for the question, or repeating the question that was just asked to you
I like the idea of training young children to think for themselves by challenging ideas through debate. Oxford university does this very well by inviting even extreme guest speakers to their debates.
It would have been enlightening for a real conservative to confront the dude that called the Florida Bill the "Do not say Gay Bill". When it comes to who is right, I approach policies like I do science. Does the data support your position; if it does you are right.
I understood why you feel that way, you seem naturally inclined toward confrontation, as am I. You'll notice that isn't Boghossian's approach if you watch his channel more. I'm still learning from him, how to listen and how to ask questions to flesh out the discourse. This forum wasn't about what you're talking about doing. Your suggested approach leads to clearly delineated battle lines and intransigent taking and attempting to hold positions due to amygdala hijacking.
@@losfromla1480 The forum was designed to hear other points of view. I believe in that situation it would be appropriate for someone to give another view. If you are slick you actually give the name of the Florida law and inform the people at the event what is actually in the law. I taught biology and chemistry for 25 years and I used the didactic method to get my students to think and come up with an answer. That is actually what he is doing.
Gillian is the epitome of intellectual curiosity, political sensibility and studious integrity. She needs to be the ideal that we direct the younger generation to look up to.
In Athens 3,000 years ago, they had the "Groves of Academe" where Plato, Aristotle, and Euripides taught. To enter the "Groves," one had to be at least 30 years old. The Greeks believed that, until one was 30, one DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING! (They were right.)
@@tomfoolery333 It's actually an example of how the Greeks are poor models for us as they didn't really believe in fundamental human rights in the same way we do. Another example: in addition to slaves, women weren't invited to these "open" forums.
@@soulscanner66 An ideological purity test to dismiss ideas worth examining . . . I bet the Greeks also drank water which probably means anyone drinking water is pro-slavery.
Peter, please use long form unedited video and show the entire discourse...it will gives the validity needed to cultivate the perspective of honesty in face of opposition...soundbite culture is a plague keeping us from seeing each other as works in progress yet to fulfill our stance and intentions...and i just want to see more of this needed dialogue. keep it up!
I agree but on the other side you have the reality of technological ADD where the average viewer have a very short attention span which is getting shorter by the hour.
Re: feel free to express views in class….I would ask that differently. Do you feel free to to express and discuss views that go against the professors views? Student that go along with everything the professors say will of course feel free to parrot those views. It is the suppression of different view that is a problem.
When students are unafraid to say "Black Lives matter" or "Bernie Sanders 2020", yet are afraid to even espouse any right-leaning ideals, that tells you all that is needed to know about campus "bullying/cancel". This is driven by the campus administration and professors. (There are outlier examples of the opposite) Colleges use to be where open/free speech was wanted & expected. Now the media and the universities seem to allow very little.
I would be interested to hear how Krissan(?) determined that there are 'tens of millions of people on the far right'. Anyone who has ever watched Tucker Carlson? Anyone who is white and working class? Anyone who is not part of the urban intelligencia? Genuinely curious.
He is actually part of the far left on the campus. His perception of far right is not the same as a person who has physically interacted with the far right. The fact that he called the Florida bill :Do not say Gay Bill" and his shirt indicate the state of his mind. FAR LEFT
@@brisbanekilarny6212 Yes, he's clearly an activist, and quite a sophisticated one. Most of the 'woke' simply refuse to get involved with events like this, but I think that is increasingly putting them on the back foot, and a degree of engagement has become necessary. I appreciate the need to maintain a sense of respect, but I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that there might be those who would game that to set the discourse agenda. Giving someone a pass on an extraordinary claim might be treading too lightly on the eggshells.
@@juvenalsdad4175 I agree with you. At the end of the video, a young man said the dude had false information about why the GOP president resigned. How can you trust anything he says when he is untruthful about the GOP on campus. He got a pass on that one.
"Congress shall make no law....." The first amendment prevents the govt from infringement on speech, it's up to us as a civil society to value opposing viewpoints and try and find common ground.
The guy with the BLM T-shirt is exactly why I can’t stand ideologues. On either end of the political spectrum. In ideology, there is good, and everything that does not fit the narrative, being “bad”. Ideology simply allows people to vent their ignorance with complete confidence. Because social obedience and hyper conformity rule most campuses, they’re completely comfortable with the immoral and the idiotic, because anyone that dare challenge their narrative, will be devalued, marginalized, and probably dehumanized. Ideology shuts down debate and dialogue. Which only serves to divide people, and plant the seed of resentment.
I found him to be so interesting. Because he was so certain that his party and his thinking just couldn’t be the problem, for sure it had to be the radical right, which in his thinking makes up a major portion of the right.
It's ironic, because as simply as he dismisses the liberal agenda and its contribution to polarization on society; he espouses an extreme view of conservatives that he would not find in real life. The claim is that this extremism is only online, but I see it in all forms of media, government policy, work policy. This man doesn't live in the real world
These new secular neo-religion belief systems (climate change, racism, homosexual) are all based solely on narcissism. They killed God and replaced it with a golden idol in the shape of one's self. Everything they do, they do because they want to believe they are a good person, and anyone who challenges or opposes them in any way is clearly a bad person. They seem to exist simply for perpetual self-gratification, and if it comes at the expense of someone else, so much the better.
@@BuceGar Well said….pure truth. But they only “think” they’ve killed God. Unfortunately for them, he is very much alive. God takes no pleasure in destroying the wicked. But he will destroy them nonetheless.
Intersting that most posts here involve name calling instead of an open discussion of ideas. It show the type of discourse Boghossian is really cultivating.
@@jeffersonianideal That's normal. Private companies can decide who and what can be on their servers just like you can decide what goes on your device. The first amendment just guarantees that you won't be arrested for it. It doesn't mean other people have to subsidize or platform your opinions.
Getting challenged on your beliefs is wholly different than not being able to hold a job, get treated nicely, have peace at your home. Rural America will treat a Democrat voter nicely and not out their income in jeopardy. Urban democrats will blacklist you and choke your ability to thrive in their environment.
@@WeeedyMcMeth Seen WHAT happen? He made a blanket statement about how people are treated. I live in a rural area. I coached a Wrestling team, my first coaching job out of College. All black team. One of the top teams in the state and they were from the city(no competition in the city). So we had to schedule duels in my own home town and in other rural areas. I've seen the exact opposite happen. So you've seen what? People who you know to be liberal in rural area's and people have been polite to them? Ok. They're polite to me and I'm liberal...as long as I don't say I'm liberal or again, bring the kids I'm coaching with me.
BLM shirt guy stands up and says "I've never once felt that I couldn't share my opinions in class", with no flicker of awareness that that's exactly the point.
I'd love to see more college students speaking so peacefully and open about their views like this. It is clear the FEAR of speaking out on college campuses in any manner that is not Left leaning is real. These kids are afraid of the cancel mob mentality. Its unhealthy, and the BLM kid can not deny that after listening to his fellow students. If this room was filled with his fellow thinking students and adults were not present it would devolve into a very scary situation. I'm afraid for my children to attend college and voice their opinions. I have a daughter in high school who identifies as bisexual and means left in a lot of ways but right in other ways. She is afraid to share her true opinions in high school if they are not ALL left leaning. I feel she would lean more right if she wasnt in school as well. Sometimes I see the difference in her opinions BECAUSE she is in school. I encourage her to think for herself, but I do believe there is a bit of indoctrination at the high school levels, and most videos of college campuses make me fear it is even worse.
A child's need for acceptance outweighs just about anything. Add in the natural resistance to parental authority that emerges during their teens and you have a recipe for disaster, encouraged by alternative authority figures such as teachers. A teenager wears the ideals of their peers like an itchy blanket.. they embrace the discomfort and pull it closer out of their fear of rejection and normal teenage rebellion, despite the blanket forcing them to constantly scratch at their own skin. It takes years of one's own fingernails breaking the surface of their own skin before they begin to understand or see that they allowed others to pry and poke around under that same surface. Most of this just comes with the territory of human development. Unfortunately, we have permitted society to infest the above metaphorical blanket with bugs that further aggrevate the "itching", all the while reassuring the person suffering that the itching will go away if they just stack on more and more blankets. It is understood that a young mind is malleable enough to deceive it into believing anything. We aren't the first group of people to use these tactics and we won't be the last. Keep being a parent. Too many seek the same naive approval from their children that the child is seeking elsewhere. The more that you force the issues that you think might "bring them back" to you, the farther you will see them stray. They have to find their own path, but perhaps becoming more aware that the people guiding them down the path that they are currently following are not much different than the wolf that wears a giant, itchy, wool blanket that gives them the likeliness of a sheep themselves. The path is a dead-end and backtracking to find your way can take time. They will have to elect to steer themselves first. Sometimes it takes getting cornered by a disguised wolf at a dead-end to realize this. Sometimes it takes getting bitten. And sometimes they just become a wolf themselves. Your role is to nurse them back to health after an attack, not prevent the attack from happening. Or to find them if they stray off of the path altogether and get lost in the woods. It sounds like you are doing the best that you can, and I'm just trying to reassure you that that is the best that ANYONE can do. Don't lose hope.. if you did even half a good job raising them then you should see the results farther down the road. 👍
As a parent myself, I would say that you are the adult and the parent while she is still home and you are raising her. She needs guidance from you and a firm sense of morality and values- we have to tell kids THE truth about their life and the world. I think we often let our kids make their own way too soon when we should still be giving them instructions because we want them to like us, but they do need to know there is objective truth- not everything is subjective, every choice we make isn't acceptable just because we feel a certain way in the moment, there has to be some absolutes we can base our lives on. While kids live at home, they need our help to get their heads on straight before they leave to go to school or out into the world. I told my daughter that she would have to pay for her own school if she chose somewhere that was particularly "woke", because it wasn't an option. She chose a junior college and is on the Dean's list. Most of her friends chose a nearby University quite well known for it's progressive political leanings and these kid's personalities and lifestyles have changed tremendously- and not for the better. My daughter will transfer later to a University that is more moderate when she is a bit more mature. All of this of course, is just my own opinion and observations on the matter. I wish you both happiness and a wonderful relationship and future together ❤.
This was fantastic. Being a native Texan I would like to say that Texas is a huge state with a lot of diversity. The state as a whole has a majority on the right. However, during the last presidential election it was the people that were suffering from Trump derangement syndrome that acted out, stealing signs and things, in my area, DFW. I am very careful to express my views at work.... In Texas.... In a mostly Republican area... Because I worry the wrong person will disagree.
The first student to speak is the embodiment of this concept: “The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist.”
It's something a lot of people in India who are themselves elite are convince. I'm from India's best engineering college and I can't even convince my peers of this shit
If the 'left leaning' representation on collage campuses is not indicative of the broader population, it suggests that either there is discrimination in the college selection process, or/and that students are unable to express themselves freely.
This is by far the best video that Peter has put out. The last one I saw was so bad that I thought Peter should stop doing videos, I was wrong, that was just one bad one. This one is great. And makes me feel much better about our youth.
It funny to me that this format of "radical" conversation is new to a lot of these students....but this is what school use to be. Great to see students seeing value in this again.
@@a.f.m.4134 Lol yeah that must be why so many liberals are trying, sometimes successfully, to shut down anyone they think they disagree with, and conservatives are having free speech rallies (that liberal groups have brought violence to.) And oh yeah, all those people that liberals try to shut up? They're willing to listen to liberals. Yep, those wacky "free speech absolutists," thinking everyone should be able to express their opinion.
@@RH-tv9hk the Dont Say Gay bill is a right wing anti-free speech bill. The right wing is shutting down free speech more than the left, none of the responses to his points went against this
@A.F. Mejía it's not anti-free speech and it has nothing to do with whether or not someone says "gay." The bill says third graders and under cannot be taught about sexuality and gender identity. It's a little sickening that so many people are fighting so hard to have five-to-eight year-olds be taught about these things in school.
Personally, I think this should be a class that is taught in every school!!! How to talk to people, how to argue without fighting, leave your ego at the door and learn how to be a grown up. I wish this was a class in my school, I would have tried to get out of it of course LOL.
I think the biggest change I seeing education today. Versus when I went to college. No right or wrong way of teaching existed. The best instructors just put out information allowing you to draw your own positions in those respective areas. I was told by a National guard soldier who had served in Iraq. He expressed his opinion on a debate. Was failed out of the class. Had to go to another campus to finish his law degree.
The Asian guy is smart enough to know he’s being dishonest. He’s well aware of the current politic climate and this shows as he’s considered in everything he says and even in what he wears. He was articulate but I thought quite domineering and dismissive at times. It’ll be interesting to see him in 10-15 years when I have no doubt he’ll be a republican.
Being dismissive and domineering means hey may become a republican? That's a pretty broad brush to paint an entire group of people who may have their own individual reasons for becoming a republican. Crazy.
Brilliant. It gives me hope for America. Being from Indonesia, where the lessons of democracy has been drawn from the American experiences, I've been frustrated to see how the war on "wokeness" as depicted in mainstream media by most pundits & manifested by politicians is threatening & pushing further the descent of American democracy domestically & its global leadership. I've been thinking what the heck is going on in America? Kinda uninspiring. Hopefully this kind of healthy, rigorous, respectful & non violent debates is more widespread than I thought.
Jillian is great. Love her. Future US Pres material? Being reasonable, measured, respectful and balancing both sides of arguments are what politicians are SUPPOSED to be doing…
I'd like to respond to the gentlemen speaking at 20:01 the reason that this is a problem and an issue is because we have the institution of University that is very much held as the seat of all knowledge effectively alienating those in the center or on the right from elevating their economic status, and further preventing them from entering the conversation as "well-educated" or "authoritative" in anything where they would be respected in a conversation on any of these topics. The mechanism of the institutions silences the centrists and the right.
That guy at 36:09: "I thought it was great that we heard a lot of conservative and democrat leaning voices. Our school leans very democrat, which I think is great...." That right there is the problem. There is _nothing_ "great" about a public institution being biased in favor of one side. There can be no freedom of thought when the institution defaults to supporting liberals or conservatives rather than promoting the free exchange of ideas.
The way I've improved was by acknowledging that I was very ignorant. Maybe if people were more conscious that they are ignorant in many things, then they would seek knowledge in that subject.
I love this guy because he let's people talk and get their viewpoint heard whether you agree with it or not. Unlike "Change My Mind" Crowder segments where it's more of a debate than anything. Debate has it's place. But when you let people talk you get a better understanding whether it's good or a bad position. Kudos to this guy.
The First Amendment wasn't constructed to only safeguard speech that you agree with. There would hardly be a need for a constitutional protection if that were the case. The intent of the First Amendment is to provide protection to speech you *don't* agree with.
yup. it's about speech you don't like by people you don't like.
@Jason it's MISINFORMATION
You should have somewhere around 260 million likes.
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Thanks. I appreciate your comment. Since the masses are asses, I would settle for 20% of the 260 million.
@@jeffersonianideal Well, I’m part of the masses. You too. (260 million Americans over the age of 18=legal adults). I believe the real issue is not trans or gay or white or black or rich or poor or man or woman gun or no gun. It’s how we are “allowed” to discuss those issues. (Nearly) miraculously we got the 1st Amendment. I think it’s no mistake it’s 1st. (I also believe it’s no mistake that the 2nd amendment says what it does. Lol)
I don’t know why I’m just finding this account, but it’s incredibly encouraging to see civil discourse from opposing political views on college campuses. This is very important work Peter is doing. Bravo!
I was thinking the same when I first found it.
I have no idea where this woman leans on the political spectrum. And I don't care. She is so poised, open minded, genuinely earnest and engages with integrity. This generation, despite the massive politicization their generation has been subjected to, is going to be alright. I will also admit, I was knee-jerk and expected Peter's project to be self-righteous or trivial. It is not. It is vitally important and Peter is doing such freaking important work.
Can I ask, what was it that made you think that in the first place? As in, why did the knee jerk in that particular direction?
DISAGREE. She is a typical College student who thinks she knows more than she really does. On the POSITIVE SIDE, at least she seems to agree with OPEN DEBATE and Dialogue.
It is very difficult to listen to her. She sounds like a 14 year old valley girl. She seems bright, though.
Cultural differences specifically in speech eg consideration to allow full expression without interruption are obvious in this type of discussion. There is a personal aspect that inhibits my full participation; it is this woman's high pitch voice. It is a personal issue, because unfortunately her valid points are missed due to volume.
@drcurioustube ikr? They really need to start impressing upon these kids that HOW you speak is as important as what you say. I'd the way you speak turns people odd you are wasting your breath
The first dude - he expressed himself well, but if he thinks this isn't a problem outside of the internet, he's not paying enough attention to what's going on IRL.
For real, DEI is well entrenched into corporate America. Pedagogy has been captured long ago. This kid needs to ask himself where all of these far-left college students got these ideas.
Well he has a blm shirt so he is part of group think.
I am curious what the "BLM guy" might identify as far-right. I heard "Trump voter." That was about the extent of it. I got the impression that anyone who falls to the right of his very narrow personal belief structure would be considered "far-right" to him.
@@billgee8520 Yes I agree. He's probably using 'far-right' very loosely, as many do these days.
Exactly you're a bigot if you know what a woman is these days.
Watching this video and participating in the chat, I really have a felt sense of what an uphill battle it is to get people to speak across the divide. Thank you Dr. Boghossian. May this be just the start.
Cool profile name 😉
The young man, 27 minutes in or so, was particularly impressive. That was quite a thoughtful and eloquent set of comments. I have no idea who he is, but that young man is going places. Mark my words. We are going to be seeing and hearing from him again in the future. He is a uniquely gifted individual, in my opinion.
John Wood of the bipartisan Better Angels organisation.
@@roxee57 Thank you. I might have to reach out to Mr. Wood. I am blown away by his presence. We need many more people like him, that is for sure.
Do check him out, he’s great. Also, Coleman Hughes, another unbelievably measured and thoughtful young person.
@@Fee_V Thank you so much. They are both on my radar now. These young people are our future, and we need to nurture and protect them and promote them as best as we can. Not that they need my help; they are so gifted they will succeed no matter what. But I am glad to assist in any way that I can. We need to give positive reinforcement when we come across these outstanding young individuals.
Agreed.
It's strange to live in a free society where disagreement with another person's point of view makes me a person of intolerance. I perceive myself as person that doesn't believe conformity is necessarily a good value to hold and it seems a value held fast by the digital platform generation. This was a very interesting eye opener. It's nice to hear what students are thinking and experiencing while attending University. My thanks to everyone there.
"It's strange to live in a free society where disagreement with another person's point of view makes me a person of intolerance."
Amen.
I'm 33 and feel like I was part of the last generation before the ubiquity if social media. I also think the societal change is so freaking obvious, it's crazy.
Conformity is a pro-social human instinct, humans are naturally inclined to go along to get along, since assimilation is the price for entry into society.
The thing you can change is what is to be conformed to. Non-conformity when framed as a value is anti-social.
Gillian was willing to try to learn more, an attribute missing in many so-called students. More power to her Moderators group.
John Wood Jr. is just an overwhelmingly articulate human being, wow...
You could see how happy Peter was to have him there.
It was truly music to my ears! You don't often hear people (on the fly, no less) lay out arguments in a concise, thorough, and surgical manner.
@@mikhaelyitref2734 well to be fair John has been dlinf tbis a LONG time in multiple venues! Blogging head TV is one of them.
Very impressed!
@@mikhaelyitref2734 yes sir :)
Glad another video dropped. I’m enjoying this series
Is it weird I got emotional at the end hearing everyone describe their experience. It's heartwarmer to see people at least having a conversation. We have been missing that.
It’s not weird bro. Videos like this give me hope and I am typically hopeless.
@@disco9500 Stay strong. Like a bad break up be hopeful this will also pass.
Yes.. it was nice and liberating to see all these brainwashed students idolize democracy and the left view when there is no pushback.
I am sure that the minute that a student with a centric view or even a bit of a right view shares their experience.. they would all go into mob mentality and close the event up - probably skip class over ‘mental anguish’.
Very fragile brainwashed minds. It is sad.
@@jrod3868 I felt like the one kid had the far left mentality that despised everyone else but he seemed to be paying attention when others were explining how they felt more likely to be cancelled and that they couldn't share their opinions.
I have no doubt you're correct when he is with a couple people and a center to right point of view arises the mob mentality will surface but this seemed prodective, which I think means that if someone took the time to do this repetitively, a line of communication could start to solidify. Rome wasnt built in a day.
@@jimscalm3231 I agree about having dialogue. However, shared opinions in an echo chamber is not productive when everyone just nods their heads.
Hopefully you are right, and thing auto correct themselves by dialogue.
Academia and the media are incredible at brainwashing minds.
For example, my cousin tells me her 12 year old daughter told her many of her friends, about 5 of them, 'think' they may be trans. 12 year olds! The level of confusion done to young kids is mind blowing. It's like they are hitting their minds young even before reaching university.
"It's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness."
-Lenny Bruce
Lenny Bruce wasn't a philosopher. He was a paid clown. The elevation of entertainers and comedians to politicians is part of the dumbing down of the American mind. Americans used to elect war heroes and veterans who understood the consequences of their most consequential decisions. Now they elect Hollywood actors and reality TV stars who have the fingers on the button. No wonder they're outfoxed by China and Russia.
Exactly, like what they did with the n word
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Evidently, you listened to the routine.
@@soulscanner66
Did I describe Lenny Bruce in any particular manner, or did I merely publish one of his attributable quotations?
Your logical fallacy demonstrates that projection is not something that only occurs in the back of a movie theater.
@@jeffersonianideal And I just said that this reflects the dumbing of the American mind. Glad you agree.
What impressed me most was how articulate the students were.
Great work! Keep it up Peter. These are incredibly important conversations right now.
It's refreshing to watch people disagree and still be polite.
That room should have been full, many more people should have heard this and shared their thoughts and ideas. Great dialogue and debates, healthy and mature, far more of this is needed in universities but outside of campuses also
The room was probably not full because the school is full of folks that don’t want to hear this
@@UncommonSense1776 unfortunately I think that's the case. Real shame, these sorts of group discussions should be very well attended especially with guest speakers of high calibre
I commend Peter for his patience and willingness to listen to the student participants' indiscriminate, uncritical and self-absorbed monologues. He appears to listen intently, honestly seeking to understand the their perspective, reasoning and/or position(s) in the hopes that the conversation will be rewarded with reciprocity. His restraint is admirable, considering that the temptation to argue seems irresistible, given the reflexive and underexamined responses to these topics. Peter seems to express appreciation (for the discourse, the student's time and sharing their opinions) which strikes a sharp contrast to the students' self-assured, intolerant and arrogance. Peter - thank you for your toil. Although it may not be immediately fruitful, your efforts will provide an opportunity for a few students to question, examine their presuppositions and maybe form more nuanced opinions based on facts rather than fiction.
BTW - great work to get John Woods Jr. to speak - his points were very well spoken.
The gentleman who gave a rebuttal to Christian (BLM t-shirt) was so charitable and effective! Great job! Dr. Boghossian, thank you for hosting these vital conversations.
Too charitable by half. Christian asserted, without evidence, that the far right is actively trying to end liberal democracy in the US. He also neglected to provide any evidence for his '5% are far left and 10s of millions are far right' claim. He could have been more persuasive had he identified who the far right is. His spectrum ran from pink haired communists to centrists. One could infer that he believes anyone right of center is far right.
John Wood Jr. you can see his eyes light up when Peter asked him to reply. Good charity presented between the two of them.
That very last comment really answered two questions, 'do students feel like they must self-censor?' and 'which students feel like they must self-censor?', so perfectly.
Yeah, I found the Las comment as concerning as the BLM guy... they live in a bubble, at least she does realize that now.
I’m so glad I found you because I love having and listening to these conversations because it’s needed in this climate. I believe without these conversations, it furthers division. Great job!
every time I've heard someone say "the don't say gay bill" I ask them if they've read the full bill and 9 out of 10 times the answer is no. the few times someone says yes I ask follow up questions. I hate people calling the bill that.
More like one in 100 thousand.
Well it is a total misrepresentation of the bill. The bill doesn't even mention anything about gay in it. It says teachers are not to discuss matters of sexuality with kindergardners for example. Teachers are failing to even teach the basic school subjects now they want to add "The teacher's sex life 101" to the curriculum. I NEVER want a teacher that I don't even know talking about sexual topics with my 5 year old. The bill is entirely reasonable. Who wants a teacher talking to their 5 year old about their sex life without even informing you what they are doing? IMO that is disgusting and wrong.
@@gametime2473 It doesn't define sexuality. Is a male teacher kissing his husband hello (like husbands and wives do when they greet each other after work) a discussion of sexuality? Way, way too broad a law. There's no need for it, because teachers are trained to keep any discussion of sex age-appropriate, especially in protestant countries like the U.S. The law is just a dogwhistle to the anti-gay vote.
@@gametime2473 You don’t need a bill to literally say “gay” for it to have a targeted effect on gays. It’s the same way that you can target Blacks without using the word “Black” (as many Southern states did historically to discriminate without technically violating the 14th Amendment.
If you honestly believe that kindergarten teachers are providing sex education to kindergarteners, I would encourage you to show evidence of this. (I would agree with you that it would be travesty if it were actually happening, but it simply isn’t.) In truth, the bill uses this language as an effective means to prevent discussion or mention of sexual minorities.
Another major issue is that it requires the schools to tell parents if the child seeks out mental health. In many cases, students want to seek mental help but their parents either because they are abusers or they don’t believe in mental therapy or they want to talk about something their parents might not understand. The law creates a chilling effect here.
@@oremfrien There are dozens of teacher uploaded clips doing some crazy sketchy stuff. I'm sure there are a ton at your fingertips. Libs of Tiktok has tons of videos, just by mirroring teacher uploaded tiktoks. I don't want some creepy teacher telling my elementary school student anything about sexual topics PERIOD.
Here is a good video about the root cause of school degradation in America. I learned a lot. ua-cam.com/video/0hybqg81n-M/v-deo.html
The calibre of these young people gives great hope for the world's future.
This is so refreshing this channel needs to blow up
That woman at the beginning is awesome and should make us all feel so much better about the younger generations.
indeed! she's a breath of fresh air!
Me too!!!!!! What does it take to make conversation a thing that we talk about?
are you high? She was just a bunch of verbiage
Global Health degree????? Not intelligent! Fred Flintstone figure and health. not consistent.
How can you identify as being on one side, when you've never been exposed to or debated the people you supposedly disagree with...
Brainwashing
I agree. If one isn't challenging their beliefs then they really don't know what they believe. The only way to find the "truth" is to constantly challenge it.
BLM shirt guy was not only wrong he was projecting
Mentioning the far right, while explaining that the spread of far left ideas on campuses is irrelevant, is an example of whataboutism. He explained that that the political distribution is not the same outside campuses so basically campuses have no impact. Mentioning the far right is like saying "we have another problem, why are we focusing on campuses".
@@Spacecadet_-mo6ew Why do you attack and demonize targets of Republican hate personally? Why do you refuse to discuss and debate the specific ideas they propose? Shouldn't this be about ideas, not name-calling?
@@Spacecadet_-mo6ew It is name calling becaue you're not telling me which of her policy ideas are socialist and why you are against them. I think that's because you don't know and are more intersted in name-calling than actually looking at what she supports.
I agree with the Left-winger that the Far-Right is a bigger threat, but that doesn’t mean that the Far-Left is not a problem.
@@oremfrien The far left just takes patience. They eventually cry themselves to sleep. They can be safely ignored.
@@soulscanner66 I don't believe that to be the case. The Far-Left has a cultural megaphone, giving them the ability to seed larger change over time. The Far-Right has a larger electorate which is a blunter instrument and more momentarily effective. Both are dangerous, but differently so.
8:16 Interesting that 'liberal values' is misunderstood by this young woman. The phrase isn't really on her radar, though once explained she's not unfamiliar with the concept.
It's great that The Moderator's goal is to allow comfort and discomfort and bring people together. This is a fantastic idea that this generation needs more of.
that part was great, i knew he laid that trap intentionally as well. she fell right in
That's because our knowledge and meaning of words has changed since the 18th century. Liberalism has changed since then. What was called liberal in 1850 would now be called libertarian.
No. Liberalism has a specific meaning. One that differs from libertarian. Most people that call themselves "liberals" have left behind both libertarian and liberal ideals for authoritarian and collectivist beliefs. These people are specifically NOT liberals. Nothing that they believe is liberal. They believe in leftism. Not liberalism. Just because they colloquially use the term "liberal" to define themselves, does not mean the term "liberal" has made a linguistic definitional change in the same vain as your historical examples. These are not comparable situations.
I just wish someone would’ve asked Krissan (spelling? BLM shirt) to define what constitutes “the far right.” I would’ve liked to hear his definition.
It would undoubtably consist of everyone to the right of Angela Davis.. so the vast majority of America
I wanted someone to ask him that as well. I guarantee he doesn’t have a true understanding of what ‘far right’ actually means . As for the far right having control ? That’s ridiculous
He's just repeating the catch phrases he hears over and over again in his bubble.
He knows that he was lying. Hes being subversive
@@wtice4632 I can't ever say what is inside someone's head so I give the benefit of the doubt. Without charity in debate, real debate is impossible.
I find the work Peter is doing is incredibly important. As well as the gentleman who shared rebutting opinions after the BLM gentleman. This kind of discourse and critical thinking is what we need as a society.
And this is a great example of a high quality conversation, not hijacked by ignorance
The student in the BLM shirt should run for office. I'd vote against him.
He’ll be a future Republican once he faces real world issues
He has one very important positive trait. He shows up, speaks his mind and engage in the debate.
The trait is that he supports free speech.
@@xothisdickox I hope his eyes get opened to reality some day. He seems smart enough to be dangerous if he continues holding on to Leftist ideologies.
He’s south Asian. I’m Indian in UK I know American south Asians come from well off families in the US they have moderate views so it’s no surprise he’s delusional
Dominion would just flip your vote for him though.
I'm glad Peter is doing this. Instituting the dialog is most important but was there real diversity in attendance? The USC crowd felt like it was operating on a basis of assumptions (particularly BLM guy who was glaringly partisan) that are clearly, demonstrably untrue and then super shocked to not see push back on those assumptions. Felt like USC thinks they have conservatives on campus (although an acknowledged slim minority) and in reality they just have some not-leftists. Would love to see a more conservative presence in the conversation and then observe the potential mind-melt. Developing respectful dialog with an actual conservative I suspect would still be a challenge. BLM guy arguing that there is no censorship on campus is kind of meaningless.
imagine what would happen if someone was wearing a "white lives matter" with fist log, or just "lives matter" with fist logo there LOL
@@davidelvion1331 you'd be rightfully ridiculed because you're not a historically subjugated people in the basis of your melanin.
@@anthonyl9126 Except if you're Irish he he
@@HarrisonKD Even if you're Irish. They were actually treated like indentured servants. Not like brood cattle.
@@anthonyl9126 They were deliberately starved to death. Anyway in the hierarchy of oppression every group is trying to outvictim and outgrievace the next, in a mighty mish mash of blood guilt and self righteousness. I am not American so maybe that makes a difference.
This chic gets it.. thank God there are still some making it through college without being indoctrinated
She knows nothing about anything she regurgitates and spews out what she hears depending on who she’s talking to, her opinion is like water it will change depending on what is put up against it. She engages in up speak and the very liberal debating strategies of saying things like thank you for the question, or repeating the question that was just asked to you
@@Desmondbrown73 beats people calling u evil for disagreeing tho
@@albertcastro3500 I'd rather have a conversation over someone screaming at me.
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this is a great uplifting video. This is how a civilized society have discussions about difficult diverse subjects.
I like the idea of training young children to think for themselves by challenging ideas through debate.
Oxford university does this very well by inviting even extreme guest speakers to their debates.
It would have been enlightening for a real conservative to confront the dude that called the Florida Bill the "Do not say Gay Bill". When it comes to who is right, I approach policies like I do science. Does the data support your position; if it does you are right.
I understood why you feel that way, you seem naturally inclined toward confrontation, as am I. You'll notice that isn't Boghossian's approach if you watch his channel more. I'm still learning from him, how to listen and how to ask questions to flesh out the discourse. This forum wasn't about what you're talking about doing. Your suggested approach leads to clearly delineated battle lines and intransigent taking and attempting to hold positions due to amygdala hijacking.
@@losfromla1480 The forum was designed to hear other points of view. I believe in that situation it would be appropriate for someone to give another view. If you are slick you actually give the name of the Florida law and inform the people at the event what is actually in the law. I taught biology and chemistry for 25 years and I used the didactic method to get my students to think and come up with an answer. That is actually what he is doing.
Awesome work!
I’m so happy! It’s nice to be a conservative and see the left and right have civil convo!
Gillian is the epitome of intellectual curiosity, political sensibility and studious integrity.
She needs to be the ideal that we direct the younger generation to look up to.
In Athens 3,000 years ago, they had the "Groves of Academe" where Plato, Aristotle, and Euripides taught. To enter the "Groves," one had to be at least 30 years old. The Greeks believed that, until one was 30, one DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING! (They were right.)
Now that I didn’t know. Fascinating. We could learn from that in the 21st century. Thank you
They also thought slaves weren't worth educating.
@@soulscanner66 Whataboutism. Address the actual point or people will dismiss you out of hand.
@@tomfoolery333 It's actually an example of how the Greeks are poor models for us as they didn't really believe in fundamental human rights in the same way we do. Another example: in addition to slaves, women weren't invited to these "open" forums.
@@soulscanner66 An ideological purity test to dismiss ideas worth examining . . . I bet the Greeks also drank water which probably means anyone drinking water is pro-slavery.
Peter, please use long form unedited video and show the entire discourse...it will gives the validity needed to cultivate the perspective of honesty in face of opposition...soundbite culture is a plague keeping us from seeing each other as works in progress yet to fulfill our stance and intentions...and i just want to see more of this needed dialogue. keep it up!
I agree but on the other side you have the reality of technological ADD where the average viewer have a very short attention span which is getting shorter by the hour.
Fantastic debate and I find it heartening to see some critical debate skills from a college campus.
It's refreshing and rare these days.
Great shot set up in that courtyard.
Good job production team.
Nice work! Good stuff!
Re: feel free to express views in class….I would ask that differently. Do you feel free to to express and discuss views that go against the professors views? Student that go along with everything the professors say will of course feel free to parrot those views. It is the suppression of different view that is a problem.
Love Peter asking John Wood JR to come down and speak! Charity is wonderful.
When students are unafraid to say "Black Lives matter" or "Bernie Sanders 2020", yet are afraid to even espouse any right-leaning ideals, that tells you all that is needed to know about campus "bullying/cancel". This is driven by the campus administration and professors. (There are outlier examples of the opposite)
Colleges use to be where open/free speech was wanted & expected. Now the media and the universities seem to allow very little.
I would be interested to hear how Krissan(?) determined that there are 'tens of millions of people on the far right'. Anyone who has ever watched Tucker Carlson? Anyone who is white and working class? Anyone who is not part of the urban intelligencia?
Genuinely curious.
He is actually part of the far left on the campus. His perception of far right is not the same as a person who has physically interacted with the far right. The fact that he called the Florida bill :Do not say Gay Bill" and his shirt indicate the state of his mind. FAR LEFT
Everyone to the right of Obama/Clinton are considered FAR right now (and there have even been articles stating that Obama/Clinton were right wing)
@@brisbanekilarny6212 Yes, he's clearly an activist, and quite a sophisticated one. Most of the 'woke' simply refuse to get involved with events like this, but I think that is increasingly putting them on the back foot, and a degree of engagement has become necessary. I appreciate the need to maintain a sense of respect, but I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that there might be those who would game that to set the discourse agenda. Giving someone a pass on an extraordinary claim might be treading too lightly on the eggshells.
@@juvenalsdad4175 I agree with you. At the end of the video, a young man said the dude had false information about why the GOP president resigned. How can you trust anything he says when he is untruthful about the GOP on campus. He got a pass on that one.
Asking the real questions
"Congress shall make no law....." The first amendment prevents the govt from infringement on speech, it's up to us as a civil society to value opposing viewpoints and try and find common ground.
Did anyone notice that girl at 8:15 getting absolutely slammed in the background. That made me chuckle. Hahaha - the more I watch the funnier it gets.
Thank you!!!!!!!
I'm dying
Fire video as always! 10/10
The guy with the BLM T-shirt is exactly why I can’t stand ideologues. On either end of the political spectrum. In ideology, there is good, and everything that does not fit the narrative, being “bad”. Ideology simply allows people to vent their ignorance with complete confidence. Because social obedience and hyper conformity rule most campuses, they’re completely comfortable with the immoral and the idiotic, because anyone that dare challenge their narrative, will be devalued, marginalized, and probably dehumanized. Ideology shuts down debate and dialogue. Which only serves to divide people, and plant the seed of resentment.
I found him to be so interesting. Because he was so certain that his party and his thinking just couldn’t be the problem, for sure it had to be the radical right, which in his thinking makes up a major portion of the right.
It's ironic, because as simply as he dismisses the liberal agenda and its contribution to polarization on society; he espouses an extreme view of conservatives that he would not find in real life.
The claim is that this extremism is only online, but I see it in all forms of media, government policy, work policy.
This man doesn't live in the real world
These new secular neo-religion belief systems (climate change, racism, homosexual) are all based solely on narcissism. They killed God and replaced it with a golden idol in the shape of one's self. Everything they do, they do because they want to believe they are a good person, and anyone who challenges or opposes them in any way is clearly a bad person. They seem to exist simply for perpetual self-gratification, and if it comes at the expense of someone else, so much the better.
@@BuceGar Well said….pure truth. But they only “think” they’ve killed God. Unfortunately for them, he is very much alive. God takes no pleasure in destroying the wicked. But he will destroy them nonetheless.
That BLM shirt guy was horrible. He is the issue and can’t even see it. Grow tf up kid.
As the regressive Lef† petulantly demonstrates to a reasoned society, those who control the meaning and the use of words, control the discourse.
How you spelled "Left". 🎯
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UA-cam will ghost/shadowban comments if it detects words or groups of words that YT considers contraband.
Intersting that most posts here involve name calling instead of an open discussion of ideas. It show the type of discourse Boghossian is really cultivating.
@@jeffersonianideal That's normal. Private companies can decide who and what can be on their servers just like you can decide what goes on your device. The first amendment just guarantees that you won't be arrested for it. It doesn't mean other people have to subsidize or platform your opinions.
@@soulscanner66
How would you classify your political ideology?
The students talking at the end of the video are inspiring.
Getting challenged on your beliefs is wholly different than not being able to hold a job, get treated nicely, have peace at your home.
Rural America will treat a Democrat voter nicely and not out their income in jeopardy. Urban democrats will blacklist you and choke your ability to thrive in their environment.
LOL...do you truly believe this?
@@scourge8097 Yes
@@scourge8097 I have seen it happen.
@@WeeedyMcMeth Seen WHAT happen? He made a blanket statement about how people are treated.
I live in a rural area. I coached a Wrestling team, my first coaching job out of College. All black team. One of the top teams in the state and they were from the city(no competition in the city). So we had to schedule duels in my own home town and in other rural areas.
I've seen the exact opposite happen. So you've seen what? People who you know to be liberal in rural area's and people have been polite to them?
Ok. They're polite to me and I'm liberal...as long as I don't say I'm liberal or again, bring the kids I'm coaching with me.
@@badlander6369 Well...that's a nice little world to live in. Wish I did as well.
BLM shirt guy stands up and says "I've never once felt that I couldn't share my opinions in class", with no flicker of awareness that that's exactly the point.
Why do Republicans feel they can't share there opinion?
@@jerudella8236 lol
@@deenzmartin6695 the cancel culture he was speaking against
@@jerudella8236 i think its because they are then labelled far right or bigot, with these labels being fairly debatable
@@aprilmoon5330 Then at that point I would ask why am I being labeled far right. Are my views in-line with the far right and if so why?
Great series.
I'd love to see more college students speaking so peacefully and open about their views like this. It is clear the FEAR of speaking out on college campuses in any manner that is not Left leaning is real. These kids are afraid of the cancel mob mentality. Its unhealthy, and the BLM kid can not deny that after listening to his fellow students. If this room was filled with his fellow thinking students and adults were not present it would devolve into a very scary situation. I'm afraid for my children to attend college and voice their opinions. I have a daughter in high school who identifies as bisexual and means left in a lot of ways but right in other ways. She is afraid to share her true opinions in high school if they are not ALL left leaning. I feel she would lean more right if she wasnt in school as well. Sometimes I see the difference in her opinions BECAUSE she is in school. I encourage her to think for herself, but I do believe there is a bit of indoctrination at the high school levels, and most videos of college campuses make me fear it is even worse.
A child's need for acceptance outweighs just about anything. Add in the natural resistance to parental authority that emerges during their teens and you have a recipe for disaster, encouraged by alternative authority figures such as teachers. A teenager wears the ideals of their peers like an itchy blanket.. they embrace the discomfort and pull it closer out of their fear of rejection and normal teenage rebellion, despite the blanket forcing them to constantly scratch at their own skin. It takes years of one's own fingernails breaking the surface of their own skin before they begin to understand or see that they allowed others to pry and poke around under that same surface. Most of this just comes with the territory of human development. Unfortunately, we have permitted society to infest the above metaphorical blanket with bugs that further aggrevate the "itching", all the while reassuring the person suffering that the itching will go away if they just stack on more and more blankets. It is understood that a young mind is malleable enough to deceive it into believing anything. We aren't the first group of people to use these tactics and we won't be the last.
Keep being a parent. Too many seek the same naive approval from their children that the child is seeking elsewhere. The more that you force the issues that you think might "bring them back" to you, the farther you will see them stray. They have to find their own path, but perhaps becoming more aware that the people guiding them down the path that they are currently following are not much different than the wolf that wears a giant, itchy, wool blanket that gives them the likeliness of a sheep themselves. The path is a dead-end and backtracking to find your way can take time. They will have to elect to steer themselves first. Sometimes it takes getting cornered by a disguised wolf at a dead-end to realize this. Sometimes it takes getting bitten. And sometimes they just become a wolf themselves. Your role is to nurse them back to health after an attack, not prevent the attack from happening. Or to find them if they stray off of the path altogether and get lost in the woods. It sounds like you are doing the best that you can, and I'm just trying to reassure you that that is the best that ANYONE can do. Don't lose hope.. if you did even half a good job raising them then you should see the results farther down the road. 👍
As a parent myself, I would say that you are the adult and the parent while she is still home and you are raising her. She needs guidance from you and a firm sense of morality and values- we have to tell kids THE truth about their life and the world. I think we often let our kids make their own way too soon when we should still be giving them instructions because we want them to like us, but they do need to know there is objective truth- not everything is subjective, every choice we make isn't acceptable just because we feel a certain way in the moment, there has to be some absolutes we can base our lives on. While kids live at
home, they need our help to get their heads on straight before they leave to go to school or out into the world. I told my daughter that she would have to pay for her own school if she chose somewhere that was particularly "woke", because it wasn't an option. She chose a junior college and is on the Dean's list. Most of her friends chose a nearby University quite well known for it's progressive political leanings and these kid's personalities and lifestyles have changed tremendously- and not for the better. My daughter will transfer later to a University that is more moderate when she is a bit more mature. All of this of course, is just my own opinion and observations on the matter. I wish you both happiness and a wonderful relationship and future together ❤.
This was fantastic.
Being a native Texan I would like to say that Texas is a huge state with a lot of diversity. The state as a whole has a majority on the right. However, during the last presidential election it was the people that were suffering from Trump derangement syndrome that acted out, stealing signs and things, in my area, DFW. I am very careful to express my views at work.... In Texas.... In a mostly Republican area... Because I worry the wrong person will disagree.
The answer is YES--- self censorship is rampant in every public arena and even in private life
The first student to speak is the embodiment of this concept:
“The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world that he did not exist.”
It's something a lot of people in India who are themselves elite are convince. I'm from India's best engineering college and I can't even convince my peers of this shit
“This isn’t a problem outside of the internet”
Good thing the internet is very small and very few people use it.
18:38 "Whether my professor was a centrist law professor or a communist with pink hair."
When your thought spectrum is as broad as a heat laser.
I hope I didn’t sound this ridiculous when I was in college 😅
You probably did.
If the 'left leaning' representation on collage campuses is not indicative of the broader population, it suggests that either there is discrimination in the college selection process, or/and that students are unable to express themselves freely.
Is there a video of the entire conversation? It seems as though parts were cut out.
event highlights
The guy at 22:00 is an incredible public speaker
I think he's a Prof....
This is by far the best video that Peter has put out. The last one I saw was so bad that I thought Peter should stop doing videos, I was wrong, that was just one bad one. This one is great. And makes me feel much better about our youth.
Where can we find the video series you played for that event?
is the video played in this video to the room online?
It funny to me that this format of "radical" conversation is new to a lot of these students....but this is what school use to be.
Great to see students seeing value in this again.
Good for Jillian. She’s a cool human.
Is there an uncensored full length video of these reverse Q and a?
BLM tee guy says wokeness isn't a problem, then references the bill he calls "Don't Say Gay."
He made great points and undermined Peters faulty framing. The real problem with free speech is the far Right.
@@a.f.m.4134 Lol yeah that must be why so many liberals are trying, sometimes successfully, to shut down anyone they think they disagree with, and conservatives are having free speech rallies (that liberal groups have brought violence to.)
And oh yeah, all those people that liberals try to shut up? They're willing to listen to liberals.
Yep, those wacky "free speech absolutists," thinking everyone should be able to express their opinion.
@@a.f.m.4134 And btw, I'm aware your response had nothing to do with my comment, but I chose to respond anyway.
You're welcome😃😉
@@RH-tv9hk the Dont Say Gay bill is a right wing anti-free speech bill. The right wing is shutting down free speech more than the left, none of the responses to his points went against this
@A.F. Mejía it's not anti-free speech and it has nothing to do with whether or not someone says "gay." The bill says third graders and under cannot be taught about sexuality and gender identity. It's a little sickening that so many people are fighting so hard to have five-to-eight year-olds be taught about these things in school.
Tearing down statues and changing names is how you edit history from this point on, reminds me of 1984.
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER.
Thank you for suffering this, Peter. I know I couldnt.
any advice for Jillian?… holy shit, God be with you. What an undertaking….
Personally, I think this should be a class that is taught in every school!!! How to talk to people, how to argue without fighting, leave your ego at the door and learn how to be a grown up. I wish this was a class in my school, I would have tried to get out of it of course LOL.
Thank you for the geometrically thoughtful establishing shot.
this is interesting and important. blm shirt guy was truly delusional, but at least he participated in good faith and was civil.
Of course he didnt have any problem talking politics in a school that perpetuates his views .
He was the embodiment of philia nikia, love of victory; we need philia sophia, love of wisdom.
It’s great to hear civil conversations between different ideologies
@@petesake1181 You like John Vervaeke?
@@emy_2510 Yes.
I think the biggest change I seeing education today. Versus when I went to college. No right or wrong way of teaching existed. The best instructors just put out information allowing you to draw your own positions in those respective areas. I was told by a National guard soldier who had served in Iraq. He expressed his opinion on a debate. Was failed out of the class. Had to go to another campus to finish his law degree.
100%
The Asian guy is smart enough to know he’s being dishonest. He’s well aware of the current politic climate and this shows as he’s considered in everything he says and even in what he wears.
He was articulate but I thought quite domineering and dismissive at times. It’ll be interesting to see him in 10-15 years when I have no doubt he’ll be a republican.
He is doing what most college kids do...."wear the costume for now."
Being dismissive and domineering means hey may become a republican? That's a pretty broad brush to paint an entire group of people who may have their own individual reasons for becoming a republican. Crazy.
John is one of the most capable people I’ve ever heard 🤩
This was excellent really well done. Great comment from older guy near end.
What a beautiful campus is it in the style of Spanish Moorish Architecture?
Imitation Italian Romanesque is how my USC architecture friend called it
where can i watch the introduction video in full?
23:00. Yes yes! ...and as a person with master degree in 1992, LatinX does not fly with my cohort of college educated Latino friends.
Brilliant. It gives me hope for America. Being from Indonesia, where the lessons of democracy has been drawn from the American experiences, I've been frustrated to see how the war on "wokeness" as depicted in mainstream media by most pundits & manifested by politicians is threatening & pushing further the descent of American democracy domestically & its global leadership.
I've been thinking what the heck is going on in America? Kinda uninspiring.
Hopefully this kind of healthy, rigorous, respectful & non violent debates is more widespread than I thought.
Jillian is great. Love her. Future US Pres material? Being reasonable, measured, respectful and balancing both sides of arguments are what politicians are SUPPOSED to be doing…
Smart doesnt do right to this girl. I hope you keep that open mind through your life. There is still hope with this kind of thinking ;-)
I'd like to respond to the gentlemen speaking at 20:01 the reason that this is a problem and an issue is because we have the institution of University that is very much held as the seat of all knowledge effectively alienating those in the center or on the right from elevating their economic status, and further preventing them from entering the conversation as "well-educated" or "authoritative" in anything where they would be respected in a conversation on any of these topics. The mechanism of the institutions silences the centrists and the right.
Youre doing good work Peter
The guy wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt says he’s not far left lmao
That guy at 36:09: "I thought it was great that we heard a lot of conservative and democrat leaning voices. Our school leans very democrat, which I think is great...."
That right there is the problem. There is _nothing_ "great" about a public institution being biased in favor of one side. There can be no freedom of thought when the institution defaults to supporting liberals or conservatives rather than promoting the free exchange of ideas.
good job peter!!
What is the video the student at 40 minutes is referring to?
I wish the video would work 😞😞
The way I've improved was by acknowledging that I was very ignorant. Maybe if people were more conscious that they are ignorant in many things, then they would seek knowledge in that subject.
I love this guy because he let's people talk and get their viewpoint heard whether you agree with it or not. Unlike "Change My Mind" Crowder segments where it's more of a debate than anything. Debate has it's place. But when you let people talk you get a better understanding whether it's good or a bad position. Kudos to this guy.