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Please check the luggage compartment / boot / Laderaum Kofferraum here: ua-cam.com/video/VC6359pD1xc/v-deo.html
Thomas, which would you go for? The regular V90 or the CC?
Within a few years the V90 CC will be a very common car on the swedish roads, both as a police car and company lease car. Its a swedish wagon favourite. 😀 🇸🇪
I really like this Volvo V90 Cross Country. Such a nice design with offroad elements, perfectly fits to my taste. Performance of this engine is great, too. Good job Sweden 🇸🇪
A great review that doesn't just read the press release. You know your cars! Thank you.
The review I have been waiting for, thanks Thomas & production crew!
+Floris Heinen share it with your friends if you like it :)
I have been recommending you guys' car reviews for almost 4 years now, and it has helped many of my friends make a decision on their car purchases!
+Floris Heinen amazing, thanks
It's an amazingly relaxing car, both physically and mentally. Perfect for all day driving and long-distance driving.
Thanks for an other great review!
+OzzOfSweden 🇸🇪🇸🇪
Autogefühl however, I'm not complaining over my Passat GTE either. It too is a great and comfortable/relaxing car (but V90 CC is in a higher level in that sense) and GTE has better handling than the V90 CC in my opinion.
yes indeed. The V90 is also way bigger, I sometimes think that those upper mid-size segment cars are a little overdone, mid-size cars like Volvo 60 or VW Passat etc. offer you better price/performance ratio and are also easier to handle
Autogefühl I totally agree!
The Swedish masters are back with a fab 4x4. Love it! Great review again Thomas.
+Manj Bains 👍👍
beautiful review thomas,thanks again,so much information whit so little effort
+Lea Kadirbaks :))
Thomas, You are not a huge V90 CC fan I can tell, thats why I really appreciate Your intention of being objective as possible.
NICE review!!!
+András Balázs every vehicle is reviewed without bias as we have no motivation to promote any brand. Thanks!
Taking delivery of this car on 10/8.....thanks to AJ´s review....
enjoy!
Pity he didn`t put it to it`s limits which are as impressive as an Audi Allroad. A bit harsh on this Swedish beautie if you ask me.What young man would not have this as a family car with lab in back? A very solid built safe car bang for bucks i think. But it is not the first time Volvo have had the coolest estates on the block!
Best car reviewer!
That brown leather looks fantastic! 😍
Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic!
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
Hey Thomas. Re the manual gear changes. On my Audi S3 it's the same, push up to go up a gear, pull down to go down. Does not feel right but you get used to it. Thank goodness I've got the paddles!! Another great review as usual!!😃
+ian taf 😊
I really like it. It reminds me of the old XC90 a bit as well.
That is a nice looking vehicle! 👌
thumb up for shoes. Now we can listen about that car.
+Vytautas Gečas 👍😎
Very nice review, I would love to see more 0-60 times!
7.5 Sec for this D5
these new volvos are so so lovely
Great family car!
The gearbox manual mode has + downwards because when you shift a normal Manual car, you go 1-2 (downwards) and to shift down 2-1 (going up) So it makes sense
What a great car !!
What a great looking car. If only this series had a straight 6 or at least an inline 5 under the hood.
Turbo 2L diesel with Polestar tuning option - you don't need any more power....
i really like the V90, i think i should plan for it...
WOW !! This is BEAUTIFUL !
Cadillac's seats vibrate gently to warn you in addition to the sound notifications. Cadillac has more square steering wheel too! :-)
Thomas, I must admit I adore the way you pronounce "vikel" :)
😁
Dito 😉
Great review, thank you.
Agreed with the buttons on the steering wheel, not the nicest.
I got equally confused about the BMW reverse logic of manually shifting the auto gear boxes.
Agree that there is no need for extra 120kg of double clutch.
I was surprised about the V90CC off-road ability, better than expected.
Booster seats in the rear sadly not yet able to be combined with heated seats.
Great car, even with only half the optional equipment of the test vehicle, traditionally extra toys are expensive.
appreciated!
Looks really nice, but very expensive with the options. Of the other cars in this segment, the most comparable for interior size and similar estate with raised suspension is the much cheaper Passat Alltrack. That has cloth seats if you want, a huge boot and a dual clutch gearbox with pedal shifters. Not quite so up market, but if you had the 240bhp 2.0 diesel biturbo model Passat Alltrack (not available in UK), you'd have a 0 to 60mph in 6 seconds and money to spare. A comparison of these different 4x4 estates would be a good idea.
I'm looking forward to your review of the Volvo XC40 when it comes out next year. I'm delaying my replacement car until then. The V90 looks OK but it is more than I want to pay. And I really don't like tinted windows.
+David Padbury premiere of the xc40 here in October!
That's great. Thank you. It's my birth month too..........
Why did Volvo discontinue the 5cyl diesel?
Great informative video, do not like the seat colour on that vehicle though. also bet the car behind you was worried when you were weaving around testing the steering !
thanks! Enjoy more of our vids =)
I have a volvo and a volkswagen. People say you can’t beat german build quality. Though the VW is very well built like all german cars, the Volvo is better. Germany have the best build quality reputation because they have more car manufacturers than Sweden but I would say Volvo are making amazing cars. That said, the VW was cheaper, so you get what you pay for I guess 🤷🏻♂️
Hello Thomas. I agree with your comment about the steering wheel design being disgracious (in my own words). Actually, it makes me think more of a utility vehicle: more of a truck than a luxury car.
Oh, while I leave a comment here, a while back, you had started some kind of "Autogeful light show" (you were in search of a name) and it would be nice if you could show us more how interiors look when they are illuminated at night. I recenty viewed a video about the Audi A4 interior lighting and it was amazing! (Done in an underground parking.)
Cheers and thank you again for your detailed and excellent reviews.
+annecy49 will try!
Great Review, and really good commentary. At time 30:44, I find these sudden over sensitive alerts (and braking) are alarming and give you - and your passengers - an unnecessary fright; as you're driving along in a quiet relaxed fashion. Interesting you say Volvos do this. You didn't appear to be over the white line - could this be the AEB warning system detecting the parked white Hyundai because at the time of the alarm the steering wheel angle was still to the right due to the sharp (and 'blind') right corner, and the speed was at a necessary threshold? Many thanks Thomas & Team.
cheers pal ! yeah indeed that could be the car on the right
I have a v90 cc 2018 and it's possible to set the sensetivity according to your prefernce.
The front looks like audi s6 avante isnt it Thomas..?
from my point of view the steering wheel fits good for design of interior, a little worse for me is in new s-class it doesn´t look cheap but previous steering wheel fits better
Did not cover boot space?
@Autogefühl Thomas.
I see your reviews. Every time you lament the lack of fabric options for leather only.
And to tell you the truth, I couldn't agree more. I can't for the love of me understand the fascination with leather.
It's expensive, offensive, uncomfortable when cold, uncomfortable when hot.
I usually tell the car salesmen that when I want better seats or upgrades, leather become my only option usually. Which is kind of bullshit. I'd gladly pay the leather premium for an upgraded fabric instead of the basic one.
I think fabrics done right can be really, really pretty too. This is just an underdeveloped area.
Other than that I still think most reviewers miss out on testing real car capabilities. My problem with cars is that when you try them out they feel nice, but when you start using them in real life you discover that they are dysfunctional in key areas that constitute the basic stuff of actually being a car.
Usually that manifests itself in more difficult environmental conditions than "summer, high friction and slow driving".
I live up in the north. So I usually discover dysfunctional headlights, heating, cooling, fogging. To low feedback steering (electrical) during icy conditions. Breaking is geared towards comfort, not safety. So pedal travel requires way to much force to full brake pressure. Clogging wheels due to slush. Frozen windshield wipers and wiper fluid containers. Some cars freeze their stuff more easily although you have -18 proof celcius windshield wiper fluid.
There are literally dozens and dozens of these scenarios. For example. I have two German made cars now. One is a F10 520d from -16. I have changed the windshield on both cars 5 times. At the slightest hint of a stone chip, the cars crack their windshield. So the BMW has 5 windshield changes in 1,5 year. And no, I am not driving close on highways. I used to drive old SAABs. They completed more than 400000k and the winshields were way, way worn because of all the stone showers. But they would never ever crack.
So for me, the devil is in the details. Stuff you never can tell from a review.
Anyway. Thanks for your great reviews man. Always on top with new stuff, informative, extensive. :)
+Christian M thanks 4 the support!
+Christian M - yes, the devil is in the detail! And Thomas gives us the most detail! Perhaps not broken windshields but the best car detail on UA-cam.
Christian M - I’ve been through the same thing with recent BMWs and their windshields. Two different models (X1 and 340) both with heads-up and those windshields were quite expensive! The only worse experience has been our Jeep Wrangler JL (on the 3rd windshield in only 1 year), but there’s now a gorilla glass option for the JLs. I’d be happy to pay extra for a windshield (and plastic cladding underneath, etc) that can actually survive winter. I’m looking at the Videos V60 and V90 Cross Country models in the hopes that the Swedes (Chinese) get that better. BTW, agree with all the comments that Thomas is the most thorough reviewer. Great job!
Does it get the dynamic LED headlights? Blacking out high beam when the cars sees other vehicle and all that?
Of course
Is it possible to have seat ventilation in cloth seats? I know it's an overkill but sometimes when it's very hot, by the time i cool down in the car my back is already sweating.
+94mikyyy I think it would also be good if they offered this.however this is so far very uncommon
Autogefühl Or, dare I say, it doesn't even exist.
Love your Audi SQ5 aggression! Ha ha ha! You have turned into a nice relaxed Volvo driver getting massaged as you go along! :)
;-)
The only problem for me is its size, it is big for the area I live… so I went for the Xc60. Amazing car anyway!
A4/A6 Allroads also have the same small plastic part on the rear door, nothing specific to Volvo there.
Miloš Mileusnić Well spotted! The E-Class All Terrain has the same. Not sure why, because I agree that it seems a bit odd. I'm sure Volvo had the Cross Country version already in mind when designing the V90, but I guess they preferred to maximise the door opening...who knows.
I was hoping you would show me the size of the boot/trunk but it's not in your video ?
Oh damn, of course we did that but somehow it got lost in the editing, we ll asap upload a separate video on this and give you the link!
Please check the luggage compartment / boot / Laderaum Kofferraum here: ua-cam.com/video/VC6359pD1xc/v-deo.html
27:48 BIG FOOT SPOTED!!!!
it already made its way into the local news!
I'm looking for a new car right now. I'm thinking to get a Volvo. I currently driving a BMW 320d M Packet Touring. But I want something more comfortable and les sporty. I was thinking t get an SUV, the XC90 or the new XC60 or this V90 CC. What would you say witch is the most relaxing and comfortable to drive? Or should I look somewhere else? Like Jaguar F-Pace, or BMW X3? Nice reviews by the way.
+MrWestcliffe thank you, just UA-cam search autogefuehl bmw x3 etc.
MrWestcliffe Are you looking for manual transmission or automatic?
Only automatic, and 4 wheel drive 2.0 diesel.
Блестящий!
Okay Thomas, your reviews are such excellent escapes from the mundacity of the other UA-cam (so-called) auto reviewers, that even your mistakes are acceptable (Volvo has been making cross country vehicles for years - full disclosure I own a 2007 xc70 - ) that said, your reaction to spotting a Jaguar F-Pace "customer vehicle" - at 18:15 - is priceless
+willie s johnson thanks! I know, it's just that the V 90 is an all new model
No Thomas This alarm is not you running in the middle line I check the side mirror. It's because you are closer to the white car parking in you right see 30:44.
+Sawers also possible
Thanks Thomas for great review I do prefer animals skin they should give a choice to customers . Is anyone know if it's possible two fitted a bigger fuel tank 71 litres witches in xc 60 D 5 I will be happy with the 60 if the MPG what Clem the manufacturer is probably + 40 % and Thomas please test headlight ( high beam and low Beam) during the night 😀😀
Climate control buttons/dials: I get very puzzled by the number of motoring journalists who criticise this. My last 4 cars have had climate control and once set up to the right temperature I press "auto" and that's it, no touching the controls except in winter to defrost the screen. So long as there is a button to enable this function, I do not see the problem with putting climate control functions onto a touchscreen in a hidden menu. However if it's just ordinary manual air conditioning or heater, then that is a different matter
yes if you leave it with the auto function thats true. As for me, I basically have two setups. Either no AC and LOW or AC with 22 degrees. Thats why I like to switch around...
Also you can bypass the touchscreen and simply use the voice control to turn on/off the A/C, set temperatures, etc
Hi Thomas. Unfortunately there aren't many (if any) reviews on vans of this quality. Are you planning to review the new 2018 Ford Transit Custom? Thanks
hey m8, we do have some Van reviews, e.g. youtube search autogefuehl vw multivan or autogefuehl mercedes v class or autogefuehl peugeot boxer
Oli Hudson i think you need to get Sabine Schmitz to review the Transit ;-)
Yeah, great idea, she's a transit pro!
Christopher Martin Q
my old fiat stilo from 2001 had that solution for children so nothing new 14:57 , I must say day by day we are paying too much to a car to go from point A to B, do not get me wrong i like cars and I like to drive big distances now I have the new fiat Tipo 5 doors 1.6 diesel and I can say for that range of price here in portugal 23000 euros it works fine is comfy enough is not the best car for "rancing drive" but have space it runs cheap and have more than enough power 320 Nm and it tax "cheap" cars like volvo V90 who cost 75000 and beyond are only to show the technology that the brand have. what cars had cruise control in the past now we will find it in any smaller car (corsa polo fiesta punto) if not it is in the optional list ....but ( volvo V90) is a good car with a lot of technology some of them you will never use it but good review Thomas keep up the good work greetings from portugal
thanks for the feedback m8!
Please check the luggage compartment / boot / Laderaum Kofferraum here: ua-cam.com/video/VC6359pD1xc/v-deo.html
Steep price for a 4 banger that may depreciate like crazy here in the USA. Maybe a used example in 2 years.
Damn that car looks so sexy
Looks like its ready to get 17" wheels with bigger tires and a 2" lift. Car would look even sweeter lol.
Allo Allo, why are you testing a cross country but don't drive cross country?
The leather seats are the best part of this almost perfect car!
Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic!
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
Its just about affordable now its 5yr old...maybe 😊
Wonderfull car - Im a Volvo owner and love these cars. BUT: I just hate the touch screen.... Cant use it on bumpy roads, lots of greasy fingers - terrible. I much prefer my current V40 and V60, in that regard.
thanks for the feedback!
The manual shift pattern is the same in Audi and Porsche - push forward to shift up, pull back to downshift to a lower gear. It feels natural going from my TT to the Macan, but when I tested a BMW i kept getting it wrong.
siphonsnob pretty sure the PDK goes the same way as BMW’s shifter?
Rohan Iyer my Porsche Macan S has PDK, I can assure you it is the same as Audi S-TRONIC.
Rohan Iyer www.porscheownersmanuals.com/2017-macan-manual/14/297/Transmission
Rohan Iyer we are both right. I just watched the instructional video from Porsche and they explained that the 911 shift is opposite to their other PDK, with shifting direction matching the g-force pull when accelerating (pull) and decelerating (push).
@6:07 Huh???
He says "Göteborg Orchestra scheme". One of the options of that high-end sound system you can click on is the so-called "Göteborg Concert Hall" experience.
profdrenz thank you!
What are we supposed to do with the animal skin as long as we eat the animal? And leather is much better for confort and durability
Canal Oval No- ever touched good quality faux leather?
And btw. most leather comes from Asia and the animals there are only risen for leather....
Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic!
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
You mean "raised", and that is not true. A quick google search would show you that. But sanctimony is more fun, I suppose.
You should instead be working for humane farming, instead of coming up with mostly untrue rationalizations to justify your horror at modern mass production practices of food and other animal products. I worked in 95 degree F temps for 25 years in the southern USA and the most comfortable seats I ever had were leather in an F150. Vinyl will burn you in that environment, and cloth will absorb odors and dust from workers. I donate to the humane farming association, but I don't kid myself that the cow knows what's going to happen to it in a proper factory.
@@raupenimmersatt6906 To an extent that is true, so what happens to the skins from the animals that are killed for food in western Europe then ? thrown away ? I would hardly think so.
The reason the Chinese provide leather as a dedicated business is because as a rule they do not consume beef ! fact, they prefer Pork, fact, are you telling me they throw the meat away ? I would hardly think so, not with 1.5 Billion people to feed !!!
There is NO perfect solution, everything you use has a price, so you have to decide which is the least harmful alternative !
PVC is made from OIL, so does that mean Leatherette is sustainable ? I don't think so, does Leatherette bio degrade ? I don't think so ! so what will happen to it when the car is finished ? thrown in the ground, to pollute the ground and possibly the water table, in other words YOUR DRINKING WATER, and at best, the chemicals will leak into the local river where it will pollute the water, and eventually make it's way to the Ocean killing fish, or the very least, these fish will ingest these minute particles, and we, the end of the food chain, consume these fish AND the ingested chemicals !!
SUSTAINABLE ?? I THINK NOT .
Styling is a subjective thing. For me, this is a nice looking auto with way too much red plastic on the rear.
Isn't it XC instead of CC?
in the world of Volvo: XC is for SUVs, "Cross Country" for lifted wagons/sedans.
The logic is a bit confusing, you are right.
The XC cars, like the XC90 are purpose built SUV while the V40CC, the S/V60CC are based on regular cars with some small added off-road capabilities.
I think “Cross Country” rolls off the tongue much better vs XC. I drove the T6 version of the V90 Cross Country last weekend to see if it was a proper replacement for my Saab wagon: ’07 9-5 2.3T. The V90 feels right at home on the interior. I drove it in dynamic mode & after I stepped out thinking “I wonder if they will bring the T8 to the states”.
My 9-5 feels MUCH faster, even with a 56 horse disadvantage. The V90 is a fast car, it’s just the super charger takes out allll the drama of a turbo! :/ I just HELD the pedal to the floor on the highway & I missed the spooling of the turbo that leads to a sweet thrust. That is why I will always have a 9-5 for a weekend car. The cross country version of the V90 for deep snow will probably be my future daily driver.
it's a little bit confusing... back to the 2000 the xc70 was called v70 XC but some years later they changed to xc70.
anyway, for me, the v90 XC is the new XC70, but as the XC90 already exists, they've just had to use the old nomenclature
Can't compare to old school turbos. They had way more drama. And SAAB's are widely known to kill just about anything comparable in mid-flight torque.
My fastest driver still is a tuned 9-5 Aero from -01. That thing just hauled ass when pegging the pedal on the highway.
Even my older 9-3 diesel slaughters my new BMW diesel on highway. SAABs were absolutely geared towards highway passing drivability.
Any useful test of this car should take it up and down an icy hill. Disappointing 'review'! The test would also include a heavy trailer.
Thomas is so chill; I would definitely party with him, and let him school everyone on animal skin usage.
way to go dude :)
First 100
Extensive review 3 episode for V90 Aha.Nice Though ,I am surprised Volvo car can pack reliability of V6 engines in 4 or 5 cylinder engines .I cannot judge but is it true ? You can throw light as you are European and experienced all sorts of These types of cars.But I love this concept and loved this understated Brand.Volvo.Very Compititive these days.
MB Rajesh What do you mean? That a 4 cylinder engine cant be reliable? Of course they can. Volvo build all their engines here in Sweden not far from where I live. And Im driving a 4 cylinder Volvo myself...😀👍🇸🇪
WinkelHoof ! Mate it's in positive sense , In Europe(Patricularly in Germany) mainly cars are driven Fast and it's always better to have 6 cylinder than 4 cylinder.In continuous usage at higher speed it put more stress and strain on 4 cylinder Engine compare to a typical 6 cylinder Engine.But contrary to my belief Volvo engine last almost as V6 or Inline 6.Amazing.
WinkelHoof ! Mate ,Myself planning for V40 cross country .If recession doesn't knock on my door in a year or two.
It's animal hide, not skin, I don't understand why you think leatherette which is a plastic, is sustainable. Leather is preferred because it is comfortable, try testing a car with plastic seats in a tropical area, the heat build up is intolerable. Leather is what luxury car buyers in the US and China want, it'll be around for a while.
The best climate comfort you ll have with fabric/cloth seats.
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
Autogefühl Fabric seats are not available in any luxury brand in most markets outside Europe. PU is extremely uncomfortable in a tropical climate, your tests are done mostly in Germany, and the highest temperature I've seen on the MFD is 25°C, at 35°C with 70% humidity, can you really blame people for choosing leather over PU? Fabric isn't an option. Factory farming isn't a phenomenon in the developing world, atleast in India.
Microfiber poisons marine life, please don't promote it. Maybe you could promote removable upholstery covers, easy to clean and cotton ones should be comfortable.
I think you have not read our extensive statement. Please do so. I quote " It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer."
About leather production in Bangladesh (stolen cows from India), also check the links stated above.
There is also a paragraph about overall CO2-impact and about new natural materials. Again, please read completely.
Autogefühl i agree, but if you really want to save planet, do not buy car or make babies. Anyway, keep up the good work, i love what you doing, but c'mon 😉
I agree, on the factual side that's true! But as people will still buy cars, let's make it as sustainable as possible! Thanks m8
Somehow I find the looks of the V90 already old, especially in this version.. weird
Leather is never going to go away we all know this
It will. Trust me. Just takes time for more people to realize
The V90 is absolutely gorgeous but this cross country version just seems to destroy the original design. It looks awkward.
Always enjoy your detailed and candid views Thomas!! I can't wait to see you test the XC60 T8.
glad u re with us! Yeah that should be our next XC60 review !
Why stop with the use of real leather? I feel no difference in real and fake leather, but isn't it just a good thing that we use every part of the animals? We use the meat, we use the leather, we use the bones, we use the heart etc. If we were ONLY to use the meat, then all the other things would go to a waste.
As always though, great review Thomas.
+Mr Sloth We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
You keep mention the "animal skin" like something very bad. Let me guess...all your jackets, gloves and boots are made of plastic. Very smart alternative...indeed.
First, check out what the leather industry is trying to do:
ua-cam.com/video/nP_CvLlaFlI/v-deo.html
Below this video you'll find more resources in the pinned comment to explain the topic even more in-depth.
Hi Thomas. I live in the UK. I enjoy your car tests and reports BUT, please stop "banging-on" about the use of leather on car seats. We are all entitled to our own views on "green" issues. We are all also entitled to our views on the materials used. How many times in each review must you refer to leather as "animal skins"?I prefer "animal skin" for my shoes, for my trouser belt and for my car seats etc. Please respect the fact that not everyone follows your preferences. After all many of us do live in democratic societies.Keep up the great reviews.IanB.
Thank you for taking interest in this very important topic!
We have researched this issue for many years now so please take your time to go through our extensive resources stated below as they answer every single question we have yet received concerning this matter.
At Autogefühl, we have already received several thousands (!) comments, messages and mails that more and more people want to combine enjoying their car with reducing the environmental impact at the same time. We believe that sustainable luxury is possible or at least we should do everything to support that. Those many thousand people confirming this trend, motivate us to give you the most authentic information and background on the product parts. It is not about what you bought in the past, and it is not about blaming anyone, it is about what you decide in the future and what you can decide and influence as a customer. So we want you to have all information that you need for a decision you later enjoy and like best yourself.
In Summer 2017, Tesla motors has decided to be the first manufacturer to go all the way with sustainable seat materials, only offering fabric/cloth seats or leatherette seats in different colours. They have banned all real leather from the seating surface and at the steering wheel in the white trim or on demand. So Tesla shows where the industry will and must be heading, just like they went forward with electrification first.
Check out our special video addressing car CEOs as a first summary and also see conditions of animal skin production:
ua-cam.com/video/LNSUzZXzpdc/v-deo.html
List of practical reasons against animal skin seats:
1. animal skin seats are often sold as an expensive option, by going for base trim level seats you can save a lot of money and get a better price-performance-deal (often the manufacturers claim that animal leather is top of luxury because they can earn the best money with it)
2. animal skin seats get hot in summer and you stick to the seat, probably you need seat cooling
3. they get very cold in winter and you need seat heating
4. on cloth or microfibre surfaces, you basically don’t need seat heating nor cooling
5. animal skin seats wear out very fast and look like an old sofa
6. if you want leather look or need seats that can be wiped clean easier, the leatherette (faux leather) surfaces are meanwhile highly evolved and it is possible that it feels even softer and better than anything else (See our Tesla Model X review ua-cam.com/video/y2wNGFKa4M0/v-deo.html) So Tesla shows a good example for that and as described, non-leather materials are now standard for ALL Tesla
7. More manufacturer names for their good alternatives: Mercedes MBTex/Artico for leatherette, Dinamica for microfibre. BMW Sensatec, Toyota Sof-Tex, Lexus Nu-Luxe (all faux leather)
To the environmental reasons:
1. The way the cows and other intelligent and social animals are raised and held are not according to the basic values that we all share (also see videos below)
2. The factory farming industry can be accounted for at least 40 % of climate emissions and thus is (according to numerous sources you can look up) the number one reason for climate change and environmental destruction. It is the number one reason for deforestation, two thirds of all agricultural land on earth is used for growing animal food crops. If you would feed humans directly by using the agricultural land, you could produce much more food for everyone. See this interesting essay for more on climate emissions background: www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf
3. It is not only cows who are suffering, but also the environment and to a big part also humans. Think of slavery-like working conditions in slaughterhouses (there are plenty of documentaries about this) or think of chemically altered drinking water in animal skin production villages as also seen in the video footage.
4. The discussion, for which body part the cow is killed first, is very patronizing. But if you really think it would be important why someone gets killed in first place: There are many productions where the cow is killed for the skin first, sometimes even while still being (part-)alive, the skin is the most profitable single part of the body.
5. So even if a cow gets theoretically killed for meat first, in every case you give additional money to an industry that relies on killing, pollutes the environment and harms people with chemicals. Let's say you are standing at the meat counter. And you ask for the leg of the cow. The butcher tells you: "You can eat that without worrying, the cow was slaughtered for the neck first". The next customer demands the neck. The butcher tells him: "It's not your fault, the cow was slaughtered for the belly". A the next customer demands the hide, what answer does he get? You see, that argument of "byproduct" comes from the meat and leather industry to cover up that you contribute to killing no matter which part of the body you buy.
6. To the often said argument, animal skin would just be a byproduct, please google/youtube "leather is not a byproduct" you will find plenty of information. A good overview on all those issues can also be found here: adaptt.org/
To “But leatherette is not sustainable due to petrochemical production”
1. Indeed some fabrics and micro fibres are oil based, however most oil is spent on energy production, heating and fuel. The share of oil used for artificial cloth etc. is very very small.
2. If you look at the whole production process, the leatherette is way more sustainable than the leather produce.
3. The best to-come solution are indeed plant-based materials like Pinatex (based on pineapple leaves) or new materials based on mycelia (roots of mushrooms) or other innovative natural products. That’s the future.
More special video episodes:
1. A initial special video from Autogefühl considering the use of leather can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/8f91KgbVbJQ/v-deo.html
2. And another one right here: ua-cam.com/video/tMNgcLE0LDU/v-deo.html
3. Furthermore, you’ll find the footage of leather production also here, where people are walking in chemicals etc. and animals have to watch their friends being slaughtered in front of their eyes: ua-cam.com/video/JipYvuDsI6s/v-deo.html
timecode starting 27:46
4. This is another video which very well summarizes the torture of leather production, shots taken at big farms which directly produce for the automotive industry: ua-cam.com/video/OgHs239bAnE/v-deo.html
5. Please note that those videos are made by well-known journalists and cameramen who were not influenced by any animal welfare organisation, they supply their footage to the animal rights groups of course. I partly know the creators of the video footage personally and they are all authentic. You don’t have to search long to find cruel production environments anyway.
Manufacturers reactions:
We started the very first inquiry years ago, with the result that car manufacturers do not reveal their sources of animal skin AT ALL. If it all would be clean and happening without harm, why don’t they show it to us whereas they are showing us every other detail of their products? They have good reason not to, because there is no such thing as a clean animal skin production without harming cows, humans and the environment. The only thing a manufacturer can do is increase their effort for a better future, and we are helping with in-depth talks and interviews by presenting the increasing customer demand for sustainable luxury. Tesla was the first one to react in a major way now.
So meanwhile, we more often also get feedback that a lot of manufacturers are working on leather-free interiors and are aware of the situation. E.g. Bentley, Mini and Kia have started vegan car interior programmes. Besides Tesla, Mercedes already shows major choices for sustainable interiors, you always have to pay attention to the details when ordering, of course - and we are happy to give advice. However, much has to be done still and the Autogefuehl community is massively helping in boosting the positive change!
Help to raise awareness on this subject. Thanks!
you can do a transition step by step but deciding what you buy next. Check the shoes/belts issue here: ua-cam.com/video/2ZEkQN33XRU/v-deo.html
- Noah shoes www.noah-shop.com/
Autogefühl viewers get a 17 % shoe discount with the following code: Autogefuehl-17
And please respect that it cannot be a bad thing to respect other living beings with their right to live. I hope after considering our extensive resources, you understand better why we are giving information on this issue. Customers have the right to know !!
The Audi didn't have to wait one second behind you, you blocked him for nearly a kilometer for no reason. All the way from 20:30 to 21:30.
+Erlend Kristiansen driving school teacher alert 🚨 🚨 😁
Please turn down the volume of your music.
Music is a very subjective and polarizing thing. People subscribe to car channels to listen to honest reviews and the sound of the car, not your favorite tunes.
Thank you.
What part of the video was not enjoyable for you?
Great car ,super quality interior,but too expensive.I would buy an Audi or Mercedes SUV for the same price level.
You're right, Thomas . . the exterior is beautiful, but the interior looks like they handed the design of the interior over to a kindergarten class . . using finger paints.
I agree with this, sadly. Not sure why reviewers tend to rave about the infotainment screen, the vents, the instrument panel, and the silly roller for drive modes, but they all look amateurish. Among the worst things -- and no reviewer seems to say this -- is that roller thing that is used to change the drive modes: I've used it extensively on driving perhaps a dozen 90 vehicles in the last several months, and it works horribly. The design is dreadful of that roller; one has to look down at it then up at the screen on the center console; the roller works very poorly, being hard to scroll to the mode you want, and then it frequently slips before you can click on the mode you want (or the screen goes back to the previous screen, timing out after only a few seconds, if you aren't quick enough). I wouldn't want to buy this car for this horrible feature alone! It should be on the steering wheel and you should be able to easily change drive modes looking only at the center of the instrument panel behind the steering wheel, not over at the big screen to the right. Very amateurish design, and bad for safety because it takes the driver's eyes far off the road for way too long to change modes.
It is a shame they gave you such a bad color :(
Arda Celik i love that colour seating but I am not sure it goes with the exterior paint colour on the test car
Englisch? Komm jetzt, das geht ja gar nicht! Bleib doch bitte bei deiner Muttersprache...da muss man ja wegklicken...
Dein Problem. Native Speaker finden es gut - und selber besser machen!
This car is quite weird I do not know why however I think Mercedes e all terrain is better
thomas has a new hairstyle hmm i dont like that :/
Thank you Thomas for again discussing the inexcusable continued use of animal skin upholstery. I hope that Volvo comes to their senses and offers customers a humane alternative. My own personal Opinion about the car is that it is overpriced. I agree with your opinion about the poor steering wheel design.
good to have your support on this. I think it is especially important as Volvo claims to be the new eco brand
i just hate leather in general cause when you take off your shirt in the summer while driving its like being glued to the car plus leather is not really classy anymore i remember my dads 1998 Volvo V70 R had super nice Alcantara diamond stitched seat with leather bulsters they need to bring those seats back
Autogefühl Bin auch ganz eurer Meinung- was spricht eigentlich dagegen Kunstleder zu verarbeiten? Es wärmt nicht so schnell auf, hält länger und ist auch viel einfacher zu reinigen... und umwelt und va. tierfreundlicher ist es auch!
agree
So ist es. Deswegen bietet Tesla ab sofort nur noch Stoff oder Kunstleder an. Die haben es verstanden.
For me this is the summet of boring cars
Perhaps the rest of your review is good as well, but you are far too wordy and I simply do not have the patience to listen to this.