@@gunnsteinshanker1293 I can only see Brown, Cameron and May. I can't see Johnson who'd be the only other future PM in the House at this time (Truss and Sunak didn't join till 2010), and you can't really count Blair as a Future PM when this is 9 years into his Ministry.
How come you hate his stances but stan Gordon Brown? To my knowledge, they had the same views on most of the issues they were dealing with. They are both co-founders of new labour.
@@LIJXFVKINBVY we don't know how much of the country backed him on Brexit - because not everyone voted in the Brexit referendum. He resigned soon after, so he couldn't have felt that confident about things. But anyway, vck to the facts, Brexit (yes vote) won with 52% of the vote, which was just under 17.5 milion... That's not 65% of anything. As in, ever. So I'm not quite sure from which orifice you've plucked 65%... Unless it's you're precious little believeys telling you that. In which case knock yourself out. 🙄
From memory approximately 37% of the electorate voted to leave the European Union, which was a greater proportion than ever voted for the Blair Labour Party.
@@Jw._02 I've seen those exchanges. They are nowhere near this level. Nowhere fucking near, no matter how much you 1) want it to be true or 2) don't like how savage this particular exchange was. I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
Can't you say anything without swearing & blaspheming you foul mouthed individual?! If you can't comment on here cleanly then don't comment at all! Some people like myself get very offended indeed! You are accountable for all of your words one day Matthew C!
@InteractiveHistory You've summed up the exact problem, a Labour SNP coalition? So Scotland will get another coalition for independence then win it and Labour will be seen as traitor to the UK like the Liberal Democrats were in 2010. Very clever.
Imagine you’re the leader of the opposition, it’s your time to shine, the Speaker gives you 6 questions to ask the Prime Minister, and you still make a fool of yourself and get roasted. Truly, only Cameron could’ve achived such a thing
Not quite. Neil Kinnock's opposition questions were known to be utter and complete foolishery. It's often underestimated; but it's a true showman's experience!
To be fair Blair was absolutely masterful at PMQs. He'd wipe the floor with Sunak or Starmer - and the likes of Liz Truss would have run away screaming half way through her first outing.
Imagine lying to a country about marching.into war to wreck a country and tell us all it was for w.o.m D whehbreally you just wanted to lick the balls of the USA president......
@@alanmichael5619 Theresa May and Boris would get their arses handed to them by Blair as well. Destory them infact... If he can do this to Cameron who was much better at dispatch box than tory leaders in recent times
As much I hate to admit it Tony Blair had lines and attacks that Jay-Z would have been proud of . Always find pmqs is like a rap battle with your team behind you hyping up the contestants every line
The good old days when you just had to show your identity card to the EU to go abroad. Now, since 2009, the country voted David Cameron and the tory Party, with being against showing their identity card to the EU. They need to show 3 times the amount of identity to enter a country abroad for a holiday. They get what they deserve.
Tony Blair was on fighting form here, even though 2006 would not be a kind year for him, as part of his cabinet finally forced him to announce his timetable of resignation by the summer of 2007.
@@stevenpaulgoulding Sorry, my arse he did - he was forced out by Gordon Brown, who felt he should have left after the 2001 election victory, which was apparently part of the deal made in 1994 when Gordon stood aside to allow Tony become Labour leader.
I got to watch Tony Blair roast IDS during the 2002 Queen’s Speech Debate. I grew up watching PMQs, so it was an absolute treat to see a packed House of Commons in person from the Strangers Gallery. It was a complete surprise that they let us in (the US Embassy had made a scheduling error with our cards of introduction). I doubt very many Americans have had that opportunity and I’m very grateful to have had the experience.
The good old days when we could freely visit Europe and Europe visit us, when the population wasn't poor, until the tories took over. MAY THE 4TH BE WITH THE LABOUR PARTY! WHEN THE LABOUR PARTY FORESORE THE FUTURE OF WHAT THE TORIES HAD PLANNED SCARY!
I want him back. I thrived under his government. Britain was Cool Britannia. Brit pop and arts flourished. We had hope and belief as a nation. We were cool 👍
Now Thomas The Tank Engine is an unelected foreign secretary in the crumbling UK Conservative government. He failed to negotiate his Brexit position, buggered off in disgrace and now sits again on the cabinet as the Tory ship sinks for good. They’re toast.
Once the media swung to the Tories it was over for Blair and Labour. Ed was seen if I remember as more trad Labour to go back to brand identity, David m was seen as Blair again. So another case of labour left eating itself?? Looking back to how we were in the early 2000s as a country and how now... So grim to think how Cameron et al destroyed the UK
Lol are you joking? Cameron was up there with one of the worst. Refused to go off script and couldn't think on his feet, even if it meant blatantly not answering the question asked. Thatcher, Blair and Churchill remain the best at PMQs.
Im not a fan of Blair, especially due to the Iraq War, BUT I will say that he was an excellent speaker and charismatic. He was also still a good PM domestic policy wise. The UK alone would be a lot better under him right now.
That looked like the grown up bench schooling the wannabe bench.... Yet, that wannabe bench is now the heavyweights of yesteryear... When did it all just spiral downwards..??
I’m just going through my legacy. We’re fighting in Iraq as I speak, & following that great effort we’re off to Afghanistan, prior to taking up my new role as peace envoy to the Middle East. I am a remarkable statesman😊
Would he have been able to beat Cameron in '10 for victory #4? Who knows. For all his 'nerves' Blair was excellent at PMQ. Claimed on another comment section that every Tory leader for last 200 years has become PM at some point, except for Hague, IDS, and Howard. If true (sounds it), that's a stunning political record.
@InteractiveHistory Appreciate the further info. Would that make the Tories the most successful political party in history? Of the ones that have competed in free/fair elections...
@@ianbellis7064 yes, they're by far the most successful political party in human history. It's a stunning political record for the Tories. you can go back 200 years and every leader has become PM. cameron and osborne were celebrating when blair went because they knew they could finally win.
this is the most exciting thing that has ever happened in the history of british politics other then their last prime minister stepping down after just two days on the job 💀
Blair was superb in PMQs. I'll never deny that. He was also a great PM until he got his call from "god" to join the US war on terror. Being neutral on politics (I don't support a party like a football team, US or UK analogy), if we could have a Blair focused on the UK it would be a huge improvement. As for Tony Blair himself, I'd personally have him in The Hague for war crimes. Terrible man on the international stage, and that often seems to happen with leaders that are elected with a huge mandate.
That's thing ain't it. Tony blair practically spoilt the country when it came to living standards, benefits, healthcare services, bank of England independence, interest rates kept under control even tho Brown deserves the credit for that. He was also that last PM that could get people behind him simply because of his personality and charisma. Sadly that's always going to be overshadowed by his dirty business with bush in Afghanistan and Iraq. A million casualties, Isis coming out of it.
Wtf is Blair on about though… The conservatives are based on the principles of Classical Liberalism. Basically all UK Conservatives are liberal, that’s the whole point. The cherry on top is Blair finishing off in support of Identify cards, an intensely illiberal policy.
'all UK Conservatives are liberal' literally which rock have you been hiding under for the last 12 years? Liberal with contracts for their mates yes... Liberal with clamping down on freedom of speech, freedom of movement yes.... Liberal with turning the population against migrants in the same way Hitler turned the population against Jews... absolutely.
Blair gets way too much flack. Yes, the Iraq war was a disaster but the state he had the country in was the best I’ve ever seen. The 70s & 80s people were desperate in this country. 90s up till the worldwide crash of 08, we was in great shape. No leader we’ve had since is fit to lace his boots.
This is why politics and politics suck, a tit for tat culture without actually getting things done…..even worse now due to the lack of intelligence and moral fortitude of modern politicians.
@@Anduril1974Absolutely bud,it's a load of bollocks ironically propagated by Rupert Murdoch and the Tory media,the very same people that were beating the war drum loudest as was majority of the house of commons, the Tory shadow front bench saw the same documents Blair saw but nobody blames them thanks to their media allies.
@stevenpaulgoulding he has featured in the King's honours and rightfully so,hopefully this current half decade + of Tory crooks and cranks will be held in His Majesty's Prison service,especially the lying, cheating disgraced charlatan Johnson.
@@robertsaunders821 Morals? He’s the same. He led UK to an Illegal war in Iraq, which led to the problems in the Middle East today. Over 1 million dead Iraqi (mostly women and children, elderly) His net worth after politics is over £60 million conservatively. He wasn’t a millionaire when he was PM…!
The funniest thing was reading his memoir and finding out how much he hated this part of the job. If that’s true, just a supreme feat of acting 😂
It's true he was the PM that joined PMQs together in one 30 minute Mid week session instead of Tuesday 15 and Thursday 15 minutes sessions.
he is very charismatic. even if he lies. you won't see through his motives.
That was when Labour proved that it is only The Tories who are afraid of The USA.
Say what you want about Blair, but he is probably one of the best debaters to ever face the commons
and David Cameron was probably 2nd best too
@@pianostool44 yes Cameron learned from the master
I thought Hesaltine was good. And John Major had substance.
@@carlcollins6659doesn’t need to, he hasn’t broken the law
@Carl Collins sorry who oppressed Iraqis Blair or Saddam? Did he also repress the people in the ethnic cleansing that happened under Milosevic?
No wonder he's against identify cards 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And so was David Cameron.
Love how there's 3 future PMs in the video
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@@gunnsteinshanker1293 I can only see Brown, Cameron and May. I can't see Johnson who'd be the only other future PM in the House at this time (Truss and Sunak didn't join till 2010), and you can't really count Blair as a Future PM when this is 9 years into his Ministry.
@@xander1052 Didnt notice the "future" in the original comment
@@xander1052 Gordon Brown to Blair’s right along with Theresa May and Cameron, 3 future prime ministers excluding Blair himself.
I disagree with most of Blair's stances but his deliveries at PMQs were literal perfection.
William Hague often got the better of him.
How come you hate his stances but stan Gordon Brown? To my knowledge, they had the same views on most of the issues they were dealing with. They are both co-founders of new labour.
@@redlotus2805 I never said I hated him, and it's just a UA-cam handle I promise you it's not that deep.
@@A-Gordon-Brown-Stan-Account I have never meant it to be some argument, I was just curious😀
@@redlotus2805 I sounded too defensive, I apologize. 😅
That was fucking brutal. My god 🤣🤣🤣
@@LIJXFVKINBVY we don't know how much of the country backed him on Brexit - because not everyone voted in the Brexit referendum. He resigned soon after, so he couldn't have felt that confident about things.
But anyway, vck to the facts, Brexit (yes vote) won with 52% of the vote, which was just under 17.5 milion... That's not 65% of anything. As in, ever.
So I'm not quite sure from which orifice you've plucked 65%...
Unless it's you're precious little believeys telling you that. In which case knock yourself out. 🙄
From memory approximately 37% of the electorate voted to leave the European Union, which was a greater proportion than ever voted for the Blair Labour Party.
@@Jw._02 I've seen those exchanges. They are nowhere near this level. Nowhere fucking near, no matter how much you 1) want it to be true or 2) don't like how savage this particular exchange was.
I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
Can't you say anything without swearing & blaspheming you foul mouthed individual?!
If you can't comment on here cleanly then don't comment at all! Some people like myself get very offended indeed!
You are accountable for all of your words one day Matthew C!
@@matthewvwuk Not gonna lie... That was a BIT much. Bless your brittle spirited soul. I'll answer for fuck all, so says you.
Cretin.
labour hasn't had a leader that could win in the commons since.
@InteractiveHistory You've summed up the exact problem, a Labour SNP coalition? So Scotland will get another coalition for independence then win it and Labour will be seen as traitor to the UK like the Liberal Democrats were in 2010. Very clever.
Keir is gonna pull ahead from now. He’s embarrassing Johnson in the commons
Starmer
@InteractiveHistory yep they're now 6 points ahead at 40%
@InteractiveHistory now a 6 point lead in Survation. And 4 in Yougov.
Starmer is our best leader since Blair
That was a zinger about Identity cards.
I love how this got recommended right after he was appointed foreign secretary.
Imagine you’re the leader of the opposition, it’s your time to shine, the Speaker gives you 6 questions to ask the Prime Minister, and you still make a fool of yourself and get roasted. Truly, only Cameron could’ve achived such a thing
Not quite. Neil Kinnock's opposition questions were known to be utter and complete foolishery. It's often underestimated; but it's a true showman's experience!
To be fair Blair was absolutely masterful at PMQs. He'd wipe the floor with Sunak or Starmer - and the likes of Liz Truss would have run away screaming half way through her first outing.
Imagine lying to a country about marching.into war to wreck a country and tell us all it was for w.o.m
D whehbreally you just wanted to lick the balls of the USA president......
@@alanmichael5619 Theresa May and Boris would get their arses handed to them by Blair as well. Destory them infact... If he can do this to Cameron who was much better at dispatch box than tory leaders in recent times
Sunak gas firmly taken the lead now.
Can't stop watching this exchange, beautiful! Wiped the floor with slimy Cameron.
To imply that Blair is any less slimy than Cameron is laughable.
@@richardcahill1234not really.
Bare in mind Blair was a barrister. Character destruction came naturally to him.
So he’s a good liar
As much I hate to admit it Tony Blair had lines and attacks that Jay-Z would have been proud of . Always find pmqs is like a rap battle with your team behind you hyping up the contestants every line
@@darrowdapper9659 he’s not a liar
@@ciaranmarsh255 all lawyers are liars
@@ciaranmarsh255 so true CIAran
You can call TB a lot of names but he knows how to deliver a speech and speaks extremely well
matching bad teeth too
Well yh, he sold the country a load a bull shit, got In power, picked on the working class, and got ousted.......
The good old days when you just had to show your identity card to the EU to go abroad. Now, since 2009, the country voted David Cameron and the tory Party, with being against showing their identity card to the EU. They need to show 3 times the amount of identity to enter a country abroad for a holiday. They get what they deserve.
That's Brexit for you.
Yet the illegals on boats have NO identity and get fast tracked in this country…
Tony Blair was on fighting form here, even though 2006 would not be a kind year for him, as part of his cabinet finally forced him to announce his timetable of resignation by the summer of 2007.
Tony Blair wasn’t forced to stand down as PM and the Leader of the Labour Party.
@@stevenpaulgoulding Sorry, my arse he did - he was forced out by Gordon Brown, who felt he should have left after the 2001 election victory, which was apparently part of the deal made in 1994 when Gordon stood aside to allow Tony become Labour leader.
Stop the fight!!!!! The man has a family!
Theresa May shaking her head, makes this 😂
So weird seeing the tories including Cameron and May on the right and Labour on the left of the house 😅
That’ll probably change soon.
I got to watch Tony Blair roast IDS during the 2002 Queen’s Speech Debate. I grew up watching PMQs, so it was an absolute treat to see a packed House of Commons in person from the Strangers Gallery. It was a complete surprise that they let us in (the US Embassy had made a scheduling error with our cards of introduction). I doubt very many Americans have had that opportunity and I’m very grateful to have had the experience.
IDS is unfortunately my dad’s MP. Hopefully, he gets voted out at the next election.
Very stressful to go against Blair in these encounters
"part of the David the Chameleon electoral strategy."
Ah yes, that worked well, didn't it?
Blair would've beaten Cameron
The good old days when we could freely visit Europe and Europe visit us, when the population wasn't poor, until the tories took over. MAY THE 4TH BE WITH THE LABOUR PARTY! WHEN THE LABOUR PARTY FORESORE THE FUTURE OF WHAT THE TORIES HAD PLANNED SCARY!
Blair opened the floodgates for third world trash to overwhelm us. Not the other way around
Good old days 👍
From dodgy Dave to still dodgy baron Dave. 😂😂😂
Funny
Identity cards had me in stitches. Fckn hilarious.
Brilliant, the razor strikes back!!
'Liberal' conservative hasn't changed in 14 years of tory rule
A tory against showing his ID to the EU that sounds familiar. I wonder if 65% of the country have the brains to work that out.
He never did as appallingly as Cameron did in the next few years following that
Tbf Blair was partly responsible for the death of nearly 1 million people in iraq
@@Ollie121299OnPC if you exclude iraq he was good in domestic policy
ahahahahha lay off the drugs
@@unknownguy-le1hr I think you're on your own with that mate. Grow up
I want him back. I thrived under his government. Britain was Cool Britannia. Brit pop and arts flourished. We had hope and belief as a nation. We were cool 👍
i think apart from the war tony blair could have gone down as the best and most debaters in British history after Maggie
And yet, the tony blair institute literally writes policy for the conservative party. Almost like this is all bread and circus nonsense.
there should be a 24 hour channel of PMQs
There technically is: @UKParliament
the fact that this whole thing was about ID cards somehow makes it so much funnier
And now you have Starmer….a wooden top if ever there was one.
I like how British Politics was the same all the way back then as it is now
The algorithm knew!!!!
Those were the days. Personalities and leadership. What has happened.
The only one I've seen who can better Cameron at the dispatch box.
Oh please Cameron was a cheap ripoff of Blair.
@@mazibukomail Cameron was great in the Commons, just not a lot of substance. Soundly beat Brown and Miliband, most weeks.
How lovely to see Tories in opposition, one can but hope and pray!!🙏🎅🥂😂
HOW DO YOU RECOVER FROM THAT LAST LINE
Yes he had me fooled too at the beginning.
Now Thomas The Tank Engine is an unelected foreign secretary in the crumbling UK Conservative government. He failed to negotiate his Brexit position, buggered off in disgrace and now sits again on the cabinet as the Tory ship sinks for good. They’re toast.
I've just seen the line up of former prime ministers standing next to Sunak at the cenotaph. Such a bunch of second raters.
Then there was the public toilet arrest Allegedly of course.
Once the media swung to the Tories it was over for Blair and Labour. Ed was seen if I remember as more trad Labour to go back to brand identity, David m was seen as Blair again. So another case of labour left eating itself?? Looking back to how we were in the early 2000s as a country and how now... So grim to think how Cameron et al destroyed the UK
MORE!!
He didn’t massacre a whole country though Blair
Haha brilliant
i bet netflix is trying to produce one of these
Even porky was laughing 😂
I think Cameron was one of the best there was at PMQ. But Blair was also very good! The Wednesdays were good in 2005-07.
Lol are you joking? Cameron was up there with one of the worst. Refused to go off script and couldn't think on his feet, even if it meant blatantly not answering the question asked. Thatcher, Blair and Churchill remain the best at PMQs.
@@user-gu1un7pb7k blair is the worst. Stop smoking the crack
The United States needs something like this
This man should be in prison
Yeah but he's foreign secretary instead
@@tonyatthebeach No blair should you fool
Couldn’t roast a chestnut 😅
This speaks mountains about how much we need a change in governmwnt system. Parliment isnt ment to an angry pub.
One of the best debaters ever, put Mas in front and you would be right.
Always forget DC wast LOTO in Blair’s final years. Feels like two completely different era’s
Im not a fan of Blair, especially due to the Iraq War, BUT I will say that he was an excellent speaker and charismatic. He was also still a good PM domestic policy wise. The UK alone would be a lot better under him right now.
That looked like the grown up bench schooling the wannabe bench.... Yet, that wannabe bench is now the heavyweights of yesteryear... When did it all just spiral downwards..??
I’m just going through my legacy. We’re fighting in Iraq as I speak, & following that great effort we’re off to Afghanistan, prior to taking up my new role as peace envoy to the Middle East. I am a remarkable statesman😊
God you don’t see that now
You cut off the response! It would have been interesting to see.
Tony Blair couldnt roast a Turkey
Would he have been able to beat Cameron in '10 for victory #4? Who knows. For all his 'nerves' Blair was excellent at PMQ.
Claimed on another comment section that every Tory leader for last 200 years has become PM at some point, except for Hague, IDS, and Howard. If true (sounds it), that's a stunning political record.
@InteractiveHistory Appreciate the further info. Would that make the Tories the most successful political party in history? Of the ones that have competed in free/fair elections...
@@ianbellis7064 yes, they're by far the most successful political party in human history. It's a stunning political record for the Tories. you can go back 200 years and every leader has become PM. cameron and osborne were celebrating when blair went because they knew they could finally win.
Cameron wouldn't have stood a chance.
@@mitchconnerandsometimesjlotoo yes he would, David got better and better over time
@@angied8919 from really really shit to really shit.
Beware, the Dark Lord speaks.
BRUTAL
Was that before or after the illegal murderous war or the cash for honours scandals?
Cash for honours....you mean the son of a Russian secret agent being put in the Lords by Bojo? And Cameron bombing Syria and Libya?
@@tonyatthebeach Labour love a bit of whataboutery, it’s an attempt to deflect from their appalling double standards and hypocrisy
The ironic thing is Cameron literally became a liberal conservative with nick clegg.
Also Gordon Clown stabbed Blair in the back
Gordon Brown never stabbed Tony Blair in the back.
this is the most exciting thing that has ever happened in the history of british politics other then their last prime minister stepping down after just two days on the job 💀
What a giant of politics
Blair was superb in PMQs. I'll never deny that. He was also a great PM until he got his call from "god" to join the US war on terror. Being neutral on politics (I don't support a party like a football team, US or UK analogy), if we could have a Blair focused on the UK it would be a huge improvement.
As for Tony Blair himself, I'd personally have him in The Hague for war crimes. Terrible man on the international stage, and that often seems to happen with leaders that are elected with a huge mandate.
That's thing ain't it. Tony blair practically spoilt the country when it came to living standards, benefits, healthcare services, bank of England independence, interest rates kept under control even tho Brown deserves the credit for that. He was also that last PM that could get people behind him simply because of his personality and charisma. Sadly that's always going to be overshadowed by his dirty business with bush in Afghanistan and Iraq. A million casualties, Isis coming out of it.
@@thefan974 if it wasnt for iraq he would be remembered in a better light
Can't afford the lecky
I bet people wished that they have the identity cards NOW.... It is so bad the situation such that, this is now a very very bad issue.. overall...
Back when we had a functioning democracy.
Yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Such a shame that Cameron went into the general election facing a haggard and exhausted Brown.
Who remembers his ghost writer. Mandelson.
Ooooorrrrdddeeeerrrrr
Just a Liar
All the people that broke Britain in one room. What a zoo.
Didn't Hague better Blair in PMQs on multiple occasions?
💯
War criminal Blair should be in jail.
Possibly. Cameron should be in prison for the act of treason that was the brexit referendum
Do you think any other prime minister would have done anything different? If so who?
war criminal
WHY is this war criminal not in jail
Can you still get a wifi signal down that rabbit-hole?
Wtf is Blair on about though… The conservatives are based on the principles of Classical Liberalism. Basically all UK Conservatives are liberal, that’s the whole point.
The cherry on top is Blair finishing off in support of Identify cards, an intensely illiberal policy.
'all UK Conservatives are liberal' literally which rock have you been hiding under for the last 12 years? Liberal with contracts for their mates yes... Liberal with clamping down on freedom of speech, freedom of movement yes.... Liberal with turning the population against migrants in the same way Hitler turned the population against Jews... absolutely.
Blair gets way too much flack. Yes, the Iraq war was a disaster but the state he had the country in was the best I’ve ever seen. The 70s & 80s people were desperate in this country. 90s up till the worldwide crash of 08, we was in great shape. No leader we’ve had since is fit to lace his boots.
YUK 🤮
He’s dangerous (Blair) and that’s an understatement…
Should be in jail the T**T
XD. Blair was the best PM we ever had here in Britain.
Is that meant to be funny?
Theresa May has great legs
Awful man
This guy just got hired back as foreign sec
This is why politics and politics suck, a tit for tat culture without actually getting things done…..even worse now due to the lack of intelligence and moral fortitude of modern politicians.
Blair and Brown should be sharing a prison cell in Baghdad!
Any PM would've gone to war at that point. The Tories wanted it too!
@@Anduril1974Absolutely bud,it's a load of bollocks ironically propagated by Rupert Murdoch and the Tory media,the very same people that were beating the war drum loudest as was majority of the house of commons, the Tory shadow front bench saw the same documents Blair saw but nobody blames them thanks to their media allies.
Gordon Brown should receive a knighthood or a peerage.
@stevenpaulgoulding he has featured in the King's honours and rightfully so,hopefully this current half decade + of Tory crooks and cranks will be held in His Majesty's Prison service,especially the lying, cheating disgraced charlatan Johnson.
This war criminal was a good debater, everything else was repulsive 🤮 his moral duty was non existent
More morals than any of the despicable Tories like Johnson or Sunak.
@@robertsaunders821 Morals? He’s the same. He led UK to an Illegal war in Iraq, which led to the problems in the Middle East today. Over 1 million dead Iraqi (mostly women and children, elderly) His net worth after politics is over £60 million conservatively. He wasn’t a millionaire when he was PM…!
you have to be joking@@robertsaunders821
Very funny, but that last sentence reminds us just how dangerous Blair was.
Yes he was a Masterdebater or something like that full off shit still is. If their were any Justice in the world the both off them would be in jail