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wrestlewithAndy.... I disagree with you I liked Corperate Kane and did not think it ruined. him...........as pointed out it was different which is what the character needed.....just like when Undertaker went from Deadman to Biker Undertaker. which I did not care for and was not a fan of biker Undertaker..........even though I was a Undertaker Fan since his debut. I understood the reason for the change he wanted I just was not a fan of it prefering the Deadman instead......and I cheered to the heavens when he returned to the Deadman.
I liked biker Taker. He got to cut more promos as himself and still kick butt in the ring. Corporate Kane was just a whipping boy for Stephanie and the rest if the (not) corporation. I hated Seeing kane wearing that boring suit. I wanted him to go back to the mask and give Stephanie a tombstone.
What's wrong with him being mayor? I'm from Arkansas and I don't know much about Tennessee, but how in the world can a county be a city at the same time?
It's crazy that Bret Hart received criticism for not wanting to drop his belt to Shawn Michaels in Canada, but those people see nothing wrong with Michaels refusing to drop the belt to Vader at all.
The entire thing is just unexcuseible. Vader should have destroyed Shawn. Shawn then could have went on the chase against one of the biggest, most believable heels in history. There’d always been lumbering and stiff big men and you could see a smaller underdog take advantage of their speed and agility and eventually win. They had a big man that could also do moonsalts and flip and fly right up there with the AEW fellas of today.😂
At least Shawn knows he's a prick for the stuff he did. If someone who worked for Stu Hart refused to drop the belt, Stu would have retrieved the belt if the guy's severed arm was still holding onto it. You don't get to complain for 30 years about the respect you deserve but that you also refuse to give to anyone else.
@@Ken9284 *90's Michaels. And I disagree. Since most fans are the same as those that loved Chris Benoit. Which 10000000000000000000000x is worse than anything Shawn did. Both fans loved the wrestling and performance. But we know what is right and wrong. Given I'm barely a Millennial. So the whole "Kliq" stuff is prior to me knowing how to walk and even existing. Realistically you should also look at Nash, Hall, and HHH fans too. If you were consistent. Stuff like The Kliq, with backstage power, is cancerous. Can be a single man like Cena effecting the whole group of people in Nexus too...
Corporate Kane could've worked if they knew what they were doing. As after all, being in power, making people's lives a living hell, fits the whole monster gimmick. But instead, he was treated like a joke, and nothing more. The same 'Devils fave demon' was no more than a clown. They could've put anyone there,and it would've made ZERO difference. A gimmcik that could've worked, but it fell flat on its face.
If Corporate Kane had a red and black suite with a mask and then had him still be a monster while showing his comedy side every so often, it would have been great.
@@craig3536 That would mean the fans would not know whether that was Corporate Kane or Demon Kane. Corporate Kane MUST dress in a nice suit and use his powers to make the babyfaces' lives a living hell while making that of the Authority's an earthly paradise.
I always hated the DDP stalker angle DDP is always been one of my favorite wrestlers and for him to be treated that way it was appalling I think there really could have been a great angle if they would have put DDP and The Rock in a feud over who was the true people's champion or maybe had him be the guy that ran Stone Cold Steve Austin over instead of rikishi I think a Austin and DDP feud would have been amazing
DDP was completely mis-used in the WWE, period. Stalker angle was stupid, and so was the always smiling gimmick. And his entrance music was just as bad.
@@RuanAntunes7 That's an understatement. He had his wrestling buddies (I think it was Kevin Nash, Razor Ramon, HHH and that crowd) to keep an eye out for one of the up and coming stars as he was wrestling while he was banging the guys GF in the locker room. When I heard the story I lost all respect for the guy and no longer consider him a legend.
I bet if Vader knew that he was already on his was out of the WWE, he would have seriously beat the shit out of HBK in the ring worse than the Marines did to him at the bar. LMFAO I mean HBK stormed into Vince’s office and started to cry like a toddler who had his toy taken away from him claiming that the WWF was not a safe place after Bret Hart had his way with him and tore a chunk of his hair out of his head. Lol now if Hart was able to do that, just imagine what the Mastodon could have/should have done to him
@@SoCaliSurfer13 fighting Vader for real would not be something I would even want to play around about, especially knowing that he had no qualms or limitations with wanting to be stiff with people if needed, so I could definitely see that going poorly for Michaels, and I say that as someone who absolutely loves Shawn Michaels as one of my all-time favourites.
Ruined? The moment Kane got rid of the voice box is the moment Kane BECAME A MEGASTAR! It wasn't until he became Corporate Kane in the Authority that he became a joke, only rising to relevancy once again when DEMON Kane returns to screw Seth FRIGGIN Rollins.
I would have booked kane like this. Slowly but surely have him slowly do therapy but also slowly being brainwashed so they could control him. And slowly with seth having issues with him and kane after losing or getting too angry have hhh and stephenie quickly try and calm him down. Its odd yes but makes more sense then throwing a suit on him and he became a yes man for the authority
2011-2016 was like the reality area the superstars were the most human we have seen, Corporate Kane was the Demon of all Demons… a politician 😂 it made sense looking back
Yeah Kane in a suit was a final blow compared to the other times Kane wasn't the Kane that terrified everyone in the late 90s one minute he's scary and dangerous the next minute he's a big guy with feelings but still a guy that would kick your ass
The biggest problem with DDP's stalker gimmick was that he stalking Undertaker's mid looking wife when DDP's wife was 100x better looking. Vince was wild for that
I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder because I thought Takers's wife was gorgeous 😍. But, yeah, Kimberly Page was smoking hot, too. In fact, she still looks amazing today at 54.
*There were 3 things I hated about The Authority storyline…* - Stephanie McMahon never receiving any comeuppance - Corporate Kane - The fact that the storyline lasted for three agonizing years
Better than the bloodline story that got old extremely fast even when sami joined and better than most storylines at that time. Also put on one of the best survivor series elimination matches in 2014
@@kel-lee8621 the only time they were ever interesting for me was during the Daniel Bryan storyline, and the rivalry with the Rhodes family. After that everything with them afterwards was just intensely boring, very repetitive and so played out.
Corporate Kane was absolutely fine. WWA are just using this example as filler to complete their latest video that’s it. Glen Jacobs was an active pro-wrestler for decades at this point in his career his body couldn’t keep up with the demanding physicality of the business. He was way past his prime athletically and he had also accomplished every conceivable goal regarding accolades and distinctions. He was already a grand slam champion, a multiple time world champion etc. This gimmick was merely something for him to do as he was still an active member of the roster. I honestly had no problem with it, in fact I welcomed it. It humanised Kane in a way not quite seen before which I liked. It’s not like they turned him into some sort of clown lol. I liked his frequent quibbles with Rollins and one time he laid waste to Brock Lesnar when him & the authority attacked him during his feud with Rollins.
I’d put Terry Taylor at the top of the list. He went from potentially being the next superstar to a pure joke that some still laugh about to this day. Once he had to dye a red comb in the middle of his head, cluck and flap his wings like a chicken and crow that was it. I think Vince making him The Red Rooster after someone said the new guy is the cock of the walk is one of the worst if not worst cases of malpractice in WWF/WWE history. Cock A Doodle Doo!!!
Vader - In my books he is one of the greatest big men of all time. He had the size, the power, and for someone his size, few men moved like he did (Bam Bam Bigelow would be on that same list for me). It is an absolute shame that WWF never fully utilized his abilities. I love Shawn Michaels, he is one of my favourite wrestlers of all time, but the politics with him and especially at that time definitely ruined a lot of possible opportunities. DDP - A wrestler that was homegrown in WCW, building a huge name for himself as a fan favourite. Huge, relatable baby face that still had plenty of gas in the tank. He could have still gone on at least a few more good runs, but the worst part is what they did do with him. The character assassination was just brutal. It is no way to treat such a great champ... but it was a common thing against the WCW people. The only saving grace is that he would end up bailing on wrestling, focusing on his yoga program, and saving a lot of wrestlers from their own demons and demise. So in that sense, he has been a godsend. Bret Hart - Man, when you have the "best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" when he was white hot coming into WCW from the Montreal Screwjob. He had the in-ring skill, and he immediately had eyes ready to watch and see what they would do with him. Obviously having someone like Bret WCW would of course do only amazing things with him.... and then they immediately flopped it. Making it worse, WCW at the time had a whole world of incredibly talented mid-card wrestlers that would go on to make a huge name for themselves as incredibly talented in-ring workers that Bret could have put on amazing shows with akin to the days of Hart vs Perfect (which are still to this day some of the best matches out there). Then to really rub salt in the wounds, a bad boot to the head from Goldberg and we effectively lose one of the greats from the industry. He still had so many years of good work left in him when that happened. Truly a shame, meanwhile in WWF they were misusing his brother Owen, throwing him back into the very gimmick routine that would later take his life. The Fiend - Now in general, WWE screwed up a bunch of his gimmicks. If he wasn't such a talented and creative person, he would have been finished after the first character they ruined of his. If it wasn't for his untimely demise, and only a year younger than I am, I am sure that he had a whole world of creativity still left in him. I didn't keep up with wrestling over the years, with the end of the Attitude Era coinciding with my life just becoming busy with adulthood at that point, but I like to keep up on what's going on, see clips, and just generally keep some tabs on the industry and to me, Wyatt just felt like someone who was trying to maintain the last little bits of the classic days of wrestling kayfabe. The character of the Fiend should have, whether directly or indirectly, been the character to effectively replace the Undertaker's role within WWE. Obviously hindsight is 20-20, but I had always said that they never should have ended the Undertaker's Streak at Wrestlemania at all, that he should have retired after his final win there on that stage. I also said at the time that if they were going to defeat him, again that should have been the time and place, make the defeat the career ending fight. Now, as for the hindsight, the Fiend years later would have been the most perfect character to be the one to defeat and retire the Undertaker, at Wrestlemania. If would be a passing of the torch opportunity. Of course, Wyatt would go on to pass decades way too early, but on top of the respect that the character should have received... like jobbing to an old Goldberg...who in no way needed such a win when he had already long proved himself decades ago. Kane - this one was unfortunate, but I can also understand the desire to keep trying to keep the character as fresh as possible, avoiding it getting stale, but I think the issue was more a matter of trying to fix what wasn't broken. Personally, I loved the original Big Red Machine, the Michael Myers inspired masked monster. The simplicity of the character, along with an amazing early look, starting off with an already great move-set duplicating the Undertaker, and by just being a devastating machine, he was perfection for me. Part of the problem is that in order to keep a character like that going for decades, you would need to use him so sparingly, and far less than people wanted to see him. That would make him randomly showing up to monster his way through the night just as impactful as it always was... aside from potentially losing crowd interest from then being seen too seldomly. I appreciated when they changed him up but were able to kind of maintain the essence of the character, such as when Kane and X-Pac as a tag-team duo. Honestly they were such a great and balanced mash up. You had X-Pac, small, fast, and incredibly maneuverable, and a loud mouth character. You had Kane, what more needs to be said than he was the Big Red Machine. His quiet, massive, powerful, and devastating nature just worked so well. If Kane wasn't an indestructible monster on a mission of his own, I preferred keeping him relatively similar, and finding people who could bring the parts that character couldn't. To be fair, the fact that he was able to make the character last as long as he did, changing as much as he did, he has left an incredibly impressive legacy as Kane. Doink - The original version of the character was great. The horror theme, plus his actual in-ring abilities, it was a great pairing. Unfortunately the character may have come a couple years too early. Maybe a couple years later, when you have a lot of the big names being the Undertaker, Mankind, and Kane, and the horror clown could have fit within that realm... I mean we had Gangrel, and I am sure I am blanking on others - heck Edge and Christian were Gangrel's lackies following the vampire theme. Saturn - Considering how well known and popular he was, and the character that he had long built as just a solid beast of a dude, and it was just absolutely shattered for a comedic gimmick. I don't have as much to say on this one, but definitely was sad to see.
Kane went as far as he could with the character. I think he just wanted to try somthing new. It certainly didnt hurt his legacy even though corporate kane wasnt a hit. As for perry saturn, cmon, the moppy gimmick was really entertaining. Before moppy he was in the shadow of eddie and benoit and was never going anywhere. I remember laughing so hard when moppy went missing and he was attacking wrestlers backstage saying " Wheres Moppy?!?!?!"😂
@@StandWatie1862 it did for a while, thats why he was american badass for some years. Even coming back as the deadman towards the later stages of his career it wasnt the same.
Worst thing they did was change and then lose Kanes mask. It was half of his gimmick. And then they jobbed him his last couple of years. No respect for the man.
They already did him dirty when he lost the WWF Title in ONE DAY; I mean, It's not that bad because he didn't jobbed, and it was SCSA who defeated him, but, why? They should've put the strap on him way back, or later, instead of ruining his momentum.
As a WWE fan, I remember not liking “Corporate” Kane back when The Authority (Triple H and Stephanie McMahon’s heel faction) was around from 2013-2016. But as a pro wrestling fan, when I really look back at what Kane has done late into his WWE career…I start to believe that this gimmick was really decent. And I don’t stop believing it, too. Apparently, I haven’t stopped believing it to this day. I mean seriously, who else besides myself would’ve thought that this Big, Red, demonic, fire-blasting Monster would play a good heel executive role in WWE? It’s like a wolf in sheep’s clothing was actually brought to life. One whose only purposes were to slam bodies all over the floor, and give orders to other Superstars on its creators’ behalf.
Great list i was going to say DDP and Kane. Riksihi was one of the worst he was so over with too cool it just seemed like they sabotaged riksihi he blamed triple h years later for. Really sad Too Cool and Riksihi didnt get another run. Rikishi turned face again but wasnt as over. Grand master came back from injury but Scotty was out. Then Grand master got released and later passed away a real shame
Ok but was corprate kane really the character that ruined kane as a credible monster ? Like what was kane doing before that ? Burying people alive ? Putting people on fire ? Dragging people to hell ? No he was hugging with daniel bryan and saying the yes chants and dressing in graduation clothes and having funny segments with doctor shelbey If we are talking monster kane , 2013/2015 corprate era( when he wore the mask at least ) was 10 times the monster team hell no kane was , so it was actually as step up , some things i don't like about this period is how they didn't make him do more heelish things as an authority figure , they didn't start the two personnality thing earlier , and his wrestling attire as corprate kane ( he shouldn't have wrestled much and only wrestle with the mask on ) And plz stop camparing kane to his early days , not because of his age or anything but it was not PG you're not watching the same program anyomre , you noticed that with kane because he had one of the longest careers with wwe ever but do you think that stone cold steve austin or mankind or undetaker or shawn micheals or any other wrestler would have been the same and didn't change if they were a full time wrestler in pg era like kane was ?
Seriously they mention Vader almost paralyzing Foley. That splash on Sting, ruptured his Spleen. He broke a guy's back in Japan. He apparently wasn't good at taking the word no, from the ladies. And ppl winder why he didn't get the WWF title. And there was never a plan for Vader to be WWF Champ. Both Bruce Prichard & Vince Russo have confirmed this. It had nothing to do with Michaels. Perry Saturn got pissed at a green wrestler who did one stiff move. Instead of bring a professional & giving a receipt for the stiff move, Saturn shot on the guy for the remainder of the match. They even had Marlena tell him to chill out. He didn’t listen & kept shooting. Then if that wasn't enough, he hit the guy with a stiff Brain Buster.
I feel like edge/adam Copeland might be another example. He joined aew and won his first championship in almost 13 years just to get it snatched with him in less than 3 minutes, from performing in front of 65,000 people to a half empty arena.
Booker T had a WWE debut from dreams. Being without a doubt the biggest WCW star that came to WWF, he legitimately injured Stone Cold Steve Austin, WWF's biggest star, in his very first move ever in WWF. Even though it was not planned to go on that way, it was a perfect start for Invasion.
Would not be surprising to find out WCW misusing Bret Hart was due to Hogan using his backstage pull to block Bret from doing anything meaningful. After all, Hogan used that pull to muddy up the finish of his match with Sting that involved the Hitman.
I always thought that Rikishi had a legit reason for his heal run. Just the wrong timing to do it. But of course, I was young back then and didn’t understand wrestling and the do’s and don’ts at the time
Fiend would regain the Universal title from Braun Stroman at SummerSlam only to lose the title a week later to a returning Roman Reigns in a triple threat where Stroman got pinned He never even got a one on one rematch for the title ☹️
Come on, great khali could barely walk, let alone wrestle. Never liked the character and never thought of him as a high tier performer. I don’t see any missed chances with him
Corporate kane was actually good, and Kane actually had a personality that shone through, he also showed he was able to hang on the mic, something his other gimmicks never showed us
I liked corporate kane. Especially when he was beating up seth rollins. It was ridiculous Kane was getting wins on the WWE champion at his age, but i loved it.
i think im in the minority when i say that i think they at least tried to do something with corporate kane gimmick, tried something different because kane in the 2010's simply wasn't the same kane from 2005 or 1997 i mean his match with ryback and daniel bryan vs the shield was so awesome but the character was stale at that point
Kane was buried in 2012 when he had the feud with Cena, it killed all his momentum. The team hell no act was entertaining, but he wasn't kane at that point and when "corporate kane" appeared he was killed completely.
The proof that Rikishi hit the rock bottom in 2000 and 2001 is the fact that he played absolutely no role at all during the Invasion storyline, along with his former partners Too Cool. They simply did not exist during the entire Invasion.
Once Kane went Corporate it ruined the character. Kane was a monster who had mystical powers, one you make him a guy in a suit ya can’t unring that bell. Ya can’t make people forget he is just a guy and not a magical monster. While people may not agree with me I feel the same way about the undertaker. Once he went biker every time he came back as the phenom it just didn’t feel legit compared to his previous version pre-biker.
Austin the surrogate to bret hart, give me a break, austins character got over more then bret could dream about and i have no skin in this as im a huge hhh fan so 😂😂😂
Honestly, I really liked the Corporate Kane angle. He had a lot of "trying to be on my best behavior" to him, with the underlying threat of unleashing the Big Red Machine at any time if somebody pushed him too far. It could've been way better, of course, but that could be said of a LOT of wrestlers in McMahon's late stages...
Moving into a joke gimmick doesnt have to be horrible for a big man/giant, like they can have someone do silly wacky crazy funny stuff out of the ring but you cant book them to job, they still need to be seen as a threat in the ring. Match him to the other big men and stars while having him rip though the smaller guys and let them get one on him once in a blue moon ( think along the lines of the kid and razor). They unfortunately dont ever really seem to get that
what about Dustin Rhodes? i mean, first he was "his father's son", and then they gave him the Goldust gimmick-- Rhodes is famous for saying how he agreed to play an 'androgynous' character and then immediately had to look up the word because he didnt know what the hell Vince was suggesting, too busy agreeing... ...but Thats not the "killed gimmick" im talking about-- Goldust got huge, and had great chemistry with damn-near everyone he was paired with or making fun of...no, i mean what WCW tried to do with him, with "Seven"...i mean, how bad does the idea have to be, to have Dustin himself cut a promo/shoot on how fucking dumb the idea is?
Look up a couple Dustin Rhodes interviews, he got REALLLLL deep into the gold hat character even recommending to JR and Vince that he wanted to get breast implants because it would further the character lol…..I love goldust….but yeah seven was absolutely insane
Doink was better as a heel but as usual Vince went and ruined something good. It would not be the first time Vince made a bad decision that ruined a good gimmick, and it would not be the last!
We all know why Mike Awesome was ultimately burried by WCW, despite being heavily pushed at first - his family connection with the Hogans. While he is not biologically related to Hulk Hogan, despite many people still think he was, he was a maternal uncle of Hulk's nephew Horace Hogan. Since Hogan and Horace left WCW in fall of 2000 and could not be punished by Vince Russo, who had problems with Hogan both on and off screen, all the blame and punishment fell on Awesome, who was given a string of terrible gimmicks. Russo, however, later changed his mind about Awesome and booked him to join Lance Storm's Team Canada stable during the final couple of months of WCW, which proved not to be total failure, as their feud with Hugh Morrus and his Misfits In Action stable was most probably the final good idea in history of WCW.
Awesome was basically a scapegoat similar to how the entire blame for Curtain Call at MSG fell on Triple H, while Michaels, Nash and Hall totally avoided any punishment.
I honestly don’t know who was worse, Khali or González. They both moved like they were 100 year olds trying to have sex at the old folks home. I mean how is it that in their heydays that they moved slower than Andre in his very last match. They both remind me of when Boston Dynamics came out with their very first robots, especially when they hit the mat, LMFAO a turtle on its back had an easier time getting up.
WWE really ruined The Great Khali when they give him Punjabi Playboy gimmick but I still like this gimmick. I really appreciate his work when he is in WWE.
I bet if Vader knew that he was already on his was out of the WWF, he would have seriously beat the shit out of HBK in the ring worse than the Marines did to him at the bar. LMFAO I mean HBK stormed into Vince’s office and started to cry like a toddler who had his toy taken away from him claiming that the WWF was not a safe place after Bret Hart had his way with him and tore a chunk of his hair out of his head. Lol now if Hart was able to do that, just imagine what the Mastodon could have/should have done to him
Khali ring ability 😂😂 what a joke , this guy become champion because he was indian like jinder mahal ( he is canadian but as indian root ) and remember he barely killing a wrestler in a match
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wrestlewithAndy.... I disagree with you I liked Corperate Kane and did not think it ruined. him...........as pointed out it was different which is what the character needed.....just like when Undertaker went from Deadman to Biker Undertaker. which I did not care for and was not a fan of biker Undertaker..........even though I was a Undertaker Fan since his debut. I understood the reason for the change he wanted I just was not a fan of it prefering the Deadman instead......and I cheered to the heavens when he returned to the Deadman.
I liked biker Taker. He got to cut more promos as himself and still kick butt in the ring. Corporate Kane was just a whipping boy for Stephanie and the rest if the (not) corporation. I hated Seeing kane wearing that boring suit. I wanted him to go back to the mask and give Stephanie a tombstone.
Corporate Kane was just a prototype Mayor Glenn Jacobs.
Just with, ya know.... less asshattery.
Pretty much. Art imitating life.
What's wrong with him being mayor? I'm from Arkansas and I don't know much about Tennessee, but how in the world can a county be a city at the same time?
@@crimsonstar4729 it’s not. There’s the City Of Knoxville and Knox County. They’re separated things but either way Glen is a huge asshole! 😂
@@crimsonstar4729They're commies that hate libertarians and successful people.
It's crazy that Bret Hart received criticism for not wanting to drop his belt to Shawn Michaels in Canada, but those people see nothing wrong with Michaels refusing to drop the belt to Vader at all.
The entire thing is just unexcuseible. Vader should have destroyed Shawn. Shawn then could have went on the chase against one of the biggest, most believable heels in history. There’d always been lumbering and stiff big men and you could see a smaller underdog take advantage of their speed and agility and eventually win. They had a big man that could also do moonsalts and flip and fly right up there with the AEW fellas of today.😂
to be fair he didn't try to end shawns career and was trying to compromise.
Michaels fans are as bad as Michaels.
At least Shawn knows he's a prick for the stuff he did. If someone who worked for Stu Hart refused to drop the belt, Stu would have retrieved the belt if the guy's severed arm was still holding onto it. You don't get to complain for 30 years about the respect you deserve but that you also refuse to give to anyone else.
@@Ken9284 *90's Michaels.
And I disagree.
Since most fans are the same as those that loved Chris Benoit. Which 10000000000000000000000x is worse than anything Shawn did.
Both fans loved the wrestling and performance. But we know what is right and wrong.
Given I'm barely a Millennial. So the whole "Kliq" stuff is prior to me knowing how to walk and even existing.
Realistically you should also look at Nash, Hall, and HHH fans too. If you were consistent.
Stuff like The Kliq, with backstage power, is cancerous.
Can be a single man like Cena effecting the whole group of people in Nexus too...
Corporate Kane could've worked if they knew what they were doing. As after all, being in power, making people's lives a living hell, fits the whole monster gimmick. But instead, he was treated like a joke, and nothing more. The same 'Devils fave demon' was no more than a clown. They could've put anyone there,and it would've made ZERO difference. A gimmcik that could've worked, but it fell flat on its face.
If Corporate Kane had a red and black suite with a mask and then had him still be a monster while showing his comedy side every so often, it would have been great.
@@craig3536 That would mean the fans would not know whether that was Corporate Kane or Demon Kane. Corporate Kane MUST dress in a nice suit and use his powers to make the babyfaces' lives a living hell while making that of the Authority's an earthly paradise.
I always hated the DDP stalker angle DDP is always been one of my favorite wrestlers and for him to be treated that way it was appalling I think there really could have been a great angle if they would have put DDP and The Rock in a feud over who was the true people's champion or maybe had him be the guy that ran Stone Cold Steve Austin over instead of rikishi I think a Austin and DDP feud would have been amazing
DDP was completely mis-used in the WWE, period. Stalker angle was stupid, and so was the always smiling gimmick. And his entrance music was just as bad.
@@ghostmachine71 yea, I loved his nirvana music. Watching the hd streams of old WCW ppvs his wwf music ruins it.
Corporate Kane felt like they were trying make a modern version of biker taker but instead they went nah lets make him a corporate puppet
HBK stomping Vader's head just didn't age well.
Shawn Michaels was a real douche back then.
That's why he deserved to get booed out of MSG later that year.
@@RuanAntunes7 That's an understatement. He had his wrestling buddies (I think it was Kevin Nash, Razor Ramon, HHH and that crowd) to keep an eye out for one of the up and coming stars as he was wrestling while he was banging the guys GF in the locker room. When I heard the story I lost all respect for the guy and no longer consider him a legend.
I bet if Vader knew that he was already on his was out of the WWE, he would have seriously beat the shit out of HBK in the ring worse than the Marines did to him at the bar. LMFAO I mean HBK stormed into Vince’s office and started to cry like a toddler who had his toy taken away from him claiming that the WWF was not a safe place after Bret Hart had his way with him and tore a chunk of his hair out of his head. Lol now if Hart was able to do that, just imagine what the Mastodon could have/should have done to him
@@SoCaliSurfer13 fighting Vader for real would not be something I would even want to play around about, especially knowing that he had no qualms or limitations with wanting to be stiff with people if needed, so I could definitely see that going poorly for Michaels, and I say that as someone who absolutely loves Shawn Michaels as one of my all-time favourites.
They ruined Kane when they got rid of his voice box. Should have kept that gimmick forever.
Unmasked Kane was different kind of monster. It was like the upped the ante from the first version
Ruined? The moment Kane got rid of the voice box is the moment Kane BECAME A MEGASTAR! It wasn't until he became Corporate Kane in the Authority that he became a joke, only rising to relevancy once again when DEMON Kane returns to screw Seth FRIGGIN Rollins.
Factsssss
He was ruined when he started losing against people like Randy Ortan, Umaga, etc
I would have booked kane like this. Slowly but surely have him slowly do therapy but also slowly being brainwashed so they could control him. And slowly with seth having issues with him and kane after losing or getting too angry have hhh and stephenie quickly try and calm him down. Its odd yes but makes more sense then throwing a suit on him and he became a yes man for the authority
2011-2016 was like the reality area the superstars were the most human we have seen, Corporate Kane was the Demon of all Demons… a politician 😂 it made sense looking back
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He has Terri Runnels at his side and he falls in love with a mop... at the time I thought he was blind as a bat.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah Kane in a suit was a final blow compared to the other times Kane wasn't the Kane that terrified everyone in the late 90s one minute he's scary and dangerous the next minute he's a big guy with feelings but still a guy that would kick your ass
The biggest problem with DDP's stalker gimmick was that he stalking Undertaker's mid looking wife when DDP's wife was 100x better looking. Vince was wild for that
I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder because I thought Takers's wife was gorgeous 😍. But, yeah, Kimberly Page was smoking hot, too. In fact, she still looks amazing today at 54.
*There were 3 things I hated about The Authority storyline…*
- Stephanie McMahon never receiving any comeuppance
- Corporate Kane
- The fact that the storyline lasted for three agonizing years
Better than the bloodline story that got old extremely fast even when sami joined and better than most storylines at that time. Also put on one of the best survivor series elimination matches in 2014
@@kel-lee8621 the only time they were ever interesting for me was during the Daniel Bryan storyline, and the rivalry with the Rhodes family. After that everything with them afterwards was just intensely boring, very repetitive and so played out.
Corporate Kane was absolutely fine.
WWA are just using this example as filler to complete their latest video that’s it.
Glen Jacobs was an active pro-wrestler for decades at this point in his career his body couldn’t keep up with the demanding physicality of the business. He was way past his prime athletically and he had also accomplished every conceivable goal regarding accolades and distinctions.
He was already a grand slam champion, a multiple time world champion etc.
This gimmick was merely something for him to do as he was still an active member of the roster. I honestly had no problem with it, in fact I welcomed it. It humanised Kane in a way not quite seen before which I liked. It’s not like they turned him into some sort of clown lol. I liked his frequent quibbles with Rollins and one time he laid waste to Brock Lesnar when him & the authority attacked him during his feud with Rollins.
I’d put Terry Taylor at the top of the list. He went from potentially being the next superstar to a pure joke that some still laugh about to this day. Once he had to dye a red comb in the middle of his head, cluck and flap his wings like a chicken and crow that was it. I think Vince making him The Red Rooster after someone said the new guy is the cock of the walk is one of the worst if not worst cases of malpractice in WWF/WWE history. Cock A Doodle Doo!!!
This is what happens when there is no union.
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Vader - In my books he is one of the greatest big men of all time. He had the size, the power, and for someone his size, few men moved like he did (Bam Bam Bigelow would be on that same list for me). It is an absolute shame that WWF never fully utilized his abilities. I love Shawn Michaels, he is one of my favourite wrestlers of all time, but the politics with him and especially at that time definitely ruined a lot of possible opportunities.
DDP - A wrestler that was homegrown in WCW, building a huge name for himself as a fan favourite. Huge, relatable baby face that still had plenty of gas in the tank. He could have still gone on at least a few more good runs, but the worst part is what they did do with him. The character assassination was just brutal. It is no way to treat such a great champ... but it was a common thing against the WCW people. The only saving grace is that he would end up bailing on wrestling, focusing on his yoga program, and saving a lot of wrestlers from their own demons and demise. So in that sense, he has been a godsend.
Bret Hart - Man, when you have the "best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be" when he was white hot coming into WCW from the Montreal Screwjob. He had the in-ring skill, and he immediately had eyes ready to watch and see what they would do with him. Obviously having someone like Bret WCW would of course do only amazing things with him.... and then they immediately flopped it. Making it worse, WCW at the time had a whole world of incredibly talented mid-card wrestlers that would go on to make a huge name for themselves as incredibly talented in-ring workers that Bret could have put on amazing shows with akin to the days of Hart vs Perfect (which are still to this day some of the best matches out there). Then to really rub salt in the wounds, a bad boot to the head from Goldberg and we effectively lose one of the greats from the industry. He still had so many years of good work left in him when that happened. Truly a shame, meanwhile in WWF they were misusing his brother Owen, throwing him back into the very gimmick routine that would later take his life.
The Fiend - Now in general, WWE screwed up a bunch of his gimmicks. If he wasn't such a talented and creative person, he would have been finished after the first character they ruined of his. If it wasn't for his untimely demise, and only a year younger than I am, I am sure that he had a whole world of creativity still left in him. I didn't keep up with wrestling over the years, with the end of the Attitude Era coinciding with my life just becoming busy with adulthood at that point, but I like to keep up on what's going on, see clips, and just generally keep some tabs on the industry and to me, Wyatt just felt like someone who was trying to maintain the last little bits of the classic days of wrestling kayfabe. The character of the Fiend should have, whether directly or indirectly, been the character to effectively replace the Undertaker's role within WWE. Obviously hindsight is 20-20, but I had always said that they never should have ended the Undertaker's Streak at Wrestlemania at all, that he should have retired after his final win there on that stage. I also said at the time that if they were going to defeat him, again that should have been the time and place, make the defeat the career ending fight. Now, as for the hindsight, the Fiend years later would have been the most perfect character to be the one to defeat and retire the Undertaker, at Wrestlemania. If would be a passing of the torch opportunity. Of course, Wyatt would go on to pass decades way too early, but on top of the respect that the character should have received... like jobbing to an old Goldberg...who in no way needed such a win when he had already long proved himself decades ago.
Kane - this one was unfortunate, but I can also understand the desire to keep trying to keep the character as fresh as possible, avoiding it getting stale, but I think the issue was more a matter of trying to fix what wasn't broken. Personally, I loved the original Big Red Machine, the Michael Myers inspired masked monster. The simplicity of the character, along with an amazing early look, starting off with an already great move-set duplicating the Undertaker, and by just being a devastating machine, he was perfection for me. Part of the problem is that in order to keep a character like that going for decades, you would need to use him so sparingly, and far less than people wanted to see him. That would make him randomly showing up to monster his way through the night just as impactful as it always was... aside from potentially losing crowd interest from then being seen too seldomly. I appreciated when they changed him up but were able to kind of maintain the essence of the character, such as when Kane and X-Pac as a tag-team duo. Honestly they were such a great and balanced mash up. You had X-Pac, small, fast, and incredibly maneuverable, and a loud mouth character. You had Kane, what more needs to be said than he was the Big Red Machine. His quiet, massive, powerful, and devastating nature just worked so well. If Kane wasn't an indestructible monster on a mission of his own, I preferred keeping him relatively similar, and finding people who could bring the parts that character couldn't. To be fair, the fact that he was able to make the character last as long as he did, changing as much as he did, he has left an incredibly impressive legacy as Kane.
Doink - The original version of the character was great. The horror theme, plus his actual in-ring abilities, it was a great pairing. Unfortunately the character may have come a couple years too early. Maybe a couple years later, when you have a lot of the big names being the Undertaker, Mankind, and Kane, and the horror clown could have fit within that realm... I mean we had Gangrel, and I am sure I am blanking on others - heck Edge and Christian were Gangrel's lackies following the vampire theme.
Saturn - Considering how well known and popular he was, and the character that he had long built as just a solid beast of a dude, and it was just absolutely shattered for a comedic gimmick. I don't have as much to say on this one, but definitely was sad to see.
Kane went as far as he could with the character. I think he just wanted to try somthing new. It certainly didnt hurt his legacy even though corporate kane wasnt a hit.
As for perry saturn, cmon, the moppy gimmick was really entertaining. Before moppy he was in the shadow of eddie and benoit and was never going anywhere. I remember laughing so hard when moppy went missing and he was attacking wrestlers backstage saying " Wheres Moppy?!?!?!"😂
Then the Undertaker character went as far ashe could also. Stop
@@StandWatie1862 it did for a while, thats why he was american badass for some years. Even coming back as the deadman towards the later stages of his career it wasnt the same.
Worst thing they did was change and then lose Kanes mask. It was half of his gimmick. And then they jobbed him his last couple of years. No respect for the man.
They already did him dirty when he lost the WWF Title in ONE DAY; I mean, It's not that bad because he didn't jobbed, and it was SCSA who defeated him, but, why? They should've put the strap on him way back, or later, instead of ruining his momentum.
Honestly, the great Khali shouldn't have been involved in WWE, considering he could barely move. :/
He should've been called up to join wwe earlier when he could move. Look at his njpw matches and you'd be shocked
Croprate Kane wasn't bad, it just seems bad because all he had to work with was the authority and hear Stephanie voice half the time.
As a WWE fan, I remember not liking “Corporate” Kane back when The Authority (Triple H and Stephanie McMahon’s heel faction) was around from 2013-2016. But as a pro wrestling fan, when I really look back at what Kane has done late into his WWE career…I start to believe that this gimmick was really decent. And I don’t stop believing it, too.
Apparently, I haven’t stopped believing it to this day. I mean seriously, who else besides myself would’ve thought that this Big, Red, demonic, fire-blasting Monster would play a good heel executive role in WWE? It’s like a wolf in sheep’s clothing was actually brought to life. One whose only purposes were to slam bodies all over the floor, and give orders to other Superstars on its creators’ behalf.
I remember watching Big Van Vader being a unstoppable force in WCW to being a Jobber of the stars in WWE!😢
Great list i was going to say DDP and Kane.
Riksihi was one of the worst he was so over with too cool it just seemed like they sabotaged riksihi he blamed triple h years later for.
Really sad Too Cool and Riksihi didnt get another run.
Rikishi turned face again but wasnt as over. Grand master came back from injury but Scotty was out. Then Grand master got released and later passed away a real shame
the worst for gimmick assassinations. WWE, wcw was dumb for it, but WWE was beyond bad, stupid. Creative, yea right.
Perry Saturn with Moopy is pretty much a rip-off of Chavo Guerrero and Pepe in WCW (except Chavo wasn't infatuated with Pepe).
Heel Doink is once of my all time favorites
Corporate kane was the worst gimmick ever in the authority group
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Assassination, present john cena is just a stepping stone now.
most monsters destroyed by cena became jobbers/comedy characters after the cena programs
not Umaga
Ok but was corprate kane really the character that ruined kane as a credible monster ?
Like what was kane doing before that ? Burying people alive ? Putting people on fire ? Dragging people to hell ? No he was hugging with daniel bryan and saying the yes chants and dressing in graduation clothes and having funny segments with doctor shelbey
If we are talking monster kane , 2013/2015 corprate era( when he wore the mask at least ) was 10 times the monster team hell no kane was , so it was actually as step up , some things i don't like about this period is how they didn't make him do more heelish things as an authority figure , they didn't start the two personnality thing earlier , and his wrestling attire as corprate kane ( he shouldn't have wrestled much and only wrestle with the mask on )
And plz stop camparing kane to his early days , not because of his age or anything but it was not PG you're not watching the same program anyomre , you noticed that with kane because he had one of the longest careers with wwe ever but do you think that stone cold steve austin or mankind or undetaker or shawn micheals or any other wrestler would have been the same and didn't change if they were a full time wrestler in pg era like kane was ?
MJF needs to be on this list. That face turn was atrocious
Kane was already corporate in the late 90s
Greatest or best? Austin might be the best but Undertaker is "greater" in terms of long-term impact and overall career.
they did these guys dirty.
Coporate Kane was born by the time Glenn Jacobs was about to leave wrestling, so it's not a big deal (and not worse than Isaac Yankem or Fake Diesel).
My sentiments exactly.
Jumping the WRESTLING Shark. but No "The Clowning if Zack Ryder" / aka Kane:Embrace The hate?
Seriously they mention Vader almost paralyzing Foley. That splash on Sting, ruptured his Spleen. He broke a guy's back in Japan. He apparently wasn't good at taking the word no, from the ladies. And ppl winder why he didn't get the WWF title. And there was never a plan for Vader to be WWF Champ. Both Bruce Prichard & Vince Russo have confirmed this. It had nothing to do with Michaels.
Perry Saturn got pissed at a green wrestler who did one stiff move. Instead of bring a professional & giving a receipt for the stiff move, Saturn shot on the guy for the remainder of the match. They even had Marlena tell him to chill out. He didn’t listen & kept shooting. Then if that wasn't enough, he hit the guy with a stiff Brain Buster.
Where is the Montreal screw job story???.
I feel like edge/adam Copeland might be another example. He joined aew and won his first championship in almost 13 years just to get it snatched with him in less than 3 minutes, from performing in front of 65,000 people to a half empty arena.
Wait, what? Did someone "cashed-in" something on Edge in order to do this?
Honorable mention: Chavo Guerrero
Whats sadder? DDP has a mania victory, tag/European title holder.....Sting couldn't do either
What happened to career documentary & AJ Styles Shisuke Nakamura
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Booker T had a WWE debut from dreams. Being without a doubt the biggest WCW star that came to WWF, he legitimately injured Stone Cold Steve Austin, WWF's biggest star, in his very first move ever in WWF. Even though it was not planned to go on that way, it was a perfect start for Invasion.
Would not be surprising to find out WCW misusing Bret Hart was due to Hogan using his backstage pull to block Bret from doing anything meaningful. After all, Hogan used that pull to muddy up the finish of his match with Sting that involved the Hitman.
The Kane Corporate Was Like A Bad JBL Just Toned Down With No Fights Or Close Line From Hell
Ruining Vader is unexcusable… He was probably my first favourite wrestler.
I always thought that Rikishi had a legit reason for his heal run. Just the wrong timing to do it. But of course, I was young back then and didn’t understand wrestling and the do’s and don’ts at the time
Fiend would regain the Universal title from Braun Stroman at SummerSlam only to lose the title a week later to a returning Roman Reigns in a triple threat where Stroman got pinned He never even got a one on one rematch for the title ☹️
I miss Gene Snitsky here in the video.
Come on, great khali could barely walk, let alone wrestle. Never liked the character and never thought of him as a high tier performer. I don’t see any missed chances with him
I've never been this early on a video from a Channel that I was really gonna check out lol
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Corporate kane was actually good, and Kane actually had a personality that shone through, he also showed he was able to hang on the mic, something his other gimmicks never showed us
I liked corporate kane. Especially when he was beating up seth rollins. It was ridiculous Kane was getting wins on the WWE champion at his age, but i loved it.
i think im in the minority when i say that i think they at least tried to do something with corporate kane gimmick, tried something different because kane in the 2010's simply wasn't the same kane from 2005 or 1997
i mean his match with ryback and daniel bryan vs the shield was so awesome but the character was stale at that point
Kane was buried in 2012 when he had the feud with Cena, it killed all his momentum.
The team hell no act was entertaining, but he wasn't kane at that point and when "corporate kane" appeared he was killed completely.
The proof that Rikishi hit the rock bottom in 2000 and 2001 is the fact that he played absolutely no role at all during the Invasion storyline, along with his former partners Too Cool. They simply did not exist during the entire Invasion.
Vince Mcmahon turning into that ceo who shat on someone's head is probably up there.
It was a good storyline for DDP but Yess I’ll agree this was somewhat ruined
And now Glenn Jacobs has become the real life Corporate Kane. Life imitating art.
Once Kane went Corporate it ruined the character. Kane was a monster who had mystical powers, one you make him a guy in a suit ya can’t unring that bell. Ya can’t make people forget he is just a guy and not a magical monster.
While people may not agree with me I feel the same way about the undertaker. Once he went biker every time he came back as the phenom it just didn’t feel legit compared to his previous version pre-biker.
Coporate Kane with the authority looked like WWE champion material.
12:58 I like that it was refreshing and unique
corporate kane isn’t the best character but it makes a lot of sense. He is an elected mayor in his second term at the end of the day
Austin the surrogate to bret hart, give me a break, austins character got over more then bret could dream about and i have no skin in this as im a huge hhh fan so 😂😂😂
paul heyman said a moppy has more charisma and chemistry than terri
I still believed if ddp never got injured he would’ve had a booker t run eventually being world heavyweight champion
Honestly, I really liked the Corporate Kane angle. He had a lot of "trying to be on my best behavior" to him, with the underlying threat of unleashing the Big Red Machine at any time if somebody pushed him too far. It could've been way better, of course, but that could be said of a LOT of wrestlers in McMahon's late stages...
"Hi, I'm Bob Kane ... personal CPA."
Moving into a joke gimmick doesnt have to be horrible for a big man/giant, like they can have someone do silly wacky crazy funny stuff out of the ring but you cant book them to job, they still need to be seen as a threat in the ring. Match him to the other big men and stars while having him rip though the smaller guys and let them get one on him once in a blue moon ( think along the lines of the kid and razor). They unfortunately dont ever really seem to get that
HBK
HATED
giving or losing the spotlight
to anyone
even when he couldn't wrestle
he couldn't just stay away from
being the focus
They ruined Kane when he did his version of a spinarooni 😂 (kanearooni)
I was a fan of corporate kane
what about Dustin Rhodes? i mean, first he was "his father's son", and then they gave him the Goldust gimmick-- Rhodes is famous for saying how he agreed to play an 'androgynous' character and then immediately had to look up the word because he didnt know what the hell Vince was suggesting, too busy agreeing...
...but Thats not the "killed gimmick" im talking about-- Goldust got huge, and had great chemistry with damn-near everyone he was paired with or making fun of...no, i mean what WCW tried to do with him, with "Seven"...i mean, how bad does the idea have to be, to have Dustin himself cut a promo/shoot on how fucking dumb the idea is?
Look up a couple Dustin Rhodes interviews, he got REALLLLL deep into the gold hat character even recommending to JR and Vince that he wanted to get breast implants because it would further the character lol…..I love goldust….but yeah seven was absolutely insane
Its kind of dumb, but I think The Hitman would have been even more popular if he took pink out of his look much earlier.
Doink was better as a heel but as usual Vince went and ruined something good. It would not be the first time Vince made a bad decision that ruined a good gimmick, and it would not be the last!
Kane last years were depressing and annoying. Damn you VINCE!!!
We all know why Mike Awesome was ultimately burried by WCW, despite being heavily pushed at first - his family connection with the Hogans. While he is not biologically related to Hulk Hogan, despite many people still think he was, he was a maternal uncle of Hulk's nephew Horace Hogan. Since Hogan and Horace left WCW in fall of 2000 and could not be punished by Vince Russo, who had problems with Hogan both on and off screen, all the blame and punishment fell on Awesome, who was given a string of terrible gimmicks. Russo, however, later changed his mind about Awesome and booked him to join Lance Storm's Team Canada stable during the final couple of months of WCW, which proved not to be total failure, as their feud with Hugh Morrus and his Misfits In Action stable was most probably the final good idea in history of WCW.
Awesome was basically a scapegoat similar to how the entire blame for Curtain Call at MSG fell on Triple H, while Michaels, Nash and Hall totally avoided any punishment.
I honestly don’t know who was worse, Khali or González. They both moved like they were 100 year olds trying to have sex at the old folks home. I mean how is it that in their heydays that they moved slower than Andre in his very last match. They both remind me of when Boston Dynamics came out with their very first robots, especially when they hit the mat, LMFAO a turtle on its back had an easier time getting up.
WWE
should've had a
new wrestler
be the FIEND character
WINDHAM ROTUNDA
aka
HUSKY HARRIS
was the wrong choice
WWE really ruined The Great Khali when they give him Punjabi Playboy gimmick but I still like this gimmick. I really appreciate his work when he is in WWE.
Mike Awesome should have left back to Japan
I still don't see Kane the same because of his Authority run
I actually liked the authority Kane.... Gave me malevolent hitman
I haven’t watched the video yet but corporate Kane was great
Take Perry Saturn of the list bro, he did that to himself. He ruined his own career like a dummoe
I bet if Vader knew that he was already on his was out of the WWF, he would have seriously beat the shit out of HBK in the ring worse than the Marines did to him at the bar. LMFAO I mean HBK stormed into Vince’s office and started to cry like a toddler who had his toy taken away from him claiming that the WWF was not a safe place after Bret Hart had his way with him and tore a chunk of his hair out of his head. Lol now if Hart was able to do that, just imagine what the Mastodon could have/should have done to him
Saturn got that mop over
Vader shoulda had a run in wwf,ddp got buried cause well ya know Vince,hart had an on and off again thing heel or face lol it was dumb
Why you put classic music on khali segment
What A Sad End To Their Careers
Kane best character and back story in wwe. no point in arguing
I really liked corporate kane
They really killed DDP
I liked Heel Rikishi
Khali ring ability 😂😂 what a joke , this guy become champion because he was indian like jinder mahal ( he is canadian but as indian root ) and remember he barely killing a wrestler in a match
I liked moppy! Then again I was like 10
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I liked Dancing Khali, so sue me